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hollyelise #322063 06/14/07 01:57 PM
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Hi Holly,

Don't worry, I wasn't discrediting myself. I'm just getting in a little over my head with the complexities of it all because... I'm not a scientist! I think it's time I did a little more research - thanks for the links and your informative posts. They will be very helpful when I make the time to explore more.

The information I share is stuff I learned through classes, books, and articles I read before I watched the movies. Where I made "the leap" is when "What the Bleep" called it Quantum Physics. Obviously, I took their word for granted and need to study more.

However, I have read about studies which show the energy field we have on some kind of special X-ray. When we die, this specific energy field leaves the body even when the actual cells of the body are not physically dead yet. The study didn't follow where it goes, only that it is there when alive and not after death. I wish I could remember where I read about it, but it was about 10 years ago when I was living in Vancouver.

In "What the Bleep", they linked this energy field to being our "human spirit". I believe them because that was what the previous study was also suggesting it finally explained. (Note that I also believe in the human spirit anyhow.)

I've also heard that this energy comes into play when our "spiritual self" makes a decision to translate that energy into a message the brain can understand. I heard that Quantum Physics now provides the "missing link" in the form of energy transfer somehow. If we decide to move our arm, our split second decision comes even before we tell the brain to make the body do so.

I think it's time I understand Quantum Physics for what it really is though. If I've led you down the garden path, I'm sorry. There were definitely well known scientists in the "What the Bleep movie". Perhaps if someone watches before I get a chance to, they could write down the names of the scientists? We could check them out.

There is so much research on the mind. I loved the class I took with Dr. Krueger because he is a well-respected psychiatrist turned coach and shared such great scientific studies on how we can change our minds and "write a new life story" for ourselves.
He actually has a great explanatory article called, The Secrets behind The Secret on his website http://www.mentorpath.com

He has a history of writing articles for medical journals. He's not a quack. Perhaps if you read his article, we can discuss it more without me getting lost in the scientific terms. (You are really good at sharing them though, Holly smile Thanks!)


Tami is an Executive Leadership and Business Women's Coach. She invites women to use their genius in business in today's wild economy. http://www.UlimateBusinessCamp.com
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hollyelise #322067 06/14/07 02:11 PM
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Hey Holly, guess what? I clicked on your link to "What The Bleep?" and discovered that your Dr. Wolf is one of the main speakers in the movie. (Yes, this is the same man who wrote "Taking the Quantum Leap"). I had just forgotten his name. I really liked what he had to say in the movie.

If you want to check out the scientists, they have them listed on the site. Here's the link: http://www.whatthebleep.com/scientists/

I've gotta run now, I've got deadlines to meet and here I am still on the forum!


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Tami S #322188 06/15/07 12:59 AM
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okay... NOW that kinda explains it!!!

Well now looking at the list i'm really fascinated. I will try to check it out sometime Tami. I may not be able to watch "What the Bleep?" soon... i have a lot of priorities at the moment, but i am very curious about it now. smile

hollyelise #322190 06/15/07 01:05 AM
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We were talking about optimism?

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laugh YES!!!

i've beeen struggling with my own the last few days. Or rather warring with pessimism. Sometimes it seems to help to just snap out of it for a while and put my shoulders back and down rather than hunched, breathe deep, and make some wild claim... laugh

You remember when you were a kid how you used to play? We were undefeatable! We were going to climb tall mountains and fly to the moon! I think it helps to regain that playful spirit no matter how old we are. smile

hollyelise #322192 06/15/07 01:19 AM
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I was thinking on my walk tonight... what if i were to put even HALF the energy i put into thinking about things into doing things? Some of my thinking is great, but there is plenty of dead weight in my thinking, too. I think, "why isn't ____ my friend anymore? (no answer) or, "why is it so hard for me to ____?" This kind of thinking is not fruitful! It's usually damaging. You know, if every time i felt out of shape rather than thinking about it and feeling bad i just went and did 5 minutes of exercise... my life would gradually get better and i'd feel like a burden was lifted off of me to get rid of even some of those negative thoughts... replacing them with action... and maybe a little "yes, i'm going to do it!"

hollyelise #322193 06/15/07 01:32 AM
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You are doing lot of dangerous self analysis.
Why this criticism of your thinking?
It is unwarranted.

Sometimes, we need to think of things that give us no results.
That is healthy in a way.

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I'm talking about thinking that gives me negative results... that immobilizes me with little fears or sadness. I think it better to do things that pull my thoughts away from that negative thinking and self criticism and into good activities. The activities in turn, will probably help me feel better.

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I agree with you. But negative thoughts are part of our life.
we are human. Not robots.

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Yes, but we have some room for change. Why suffer more or longer than we need to? Why compound our problems? Why be completely passive and expect negative thoughts to just go away?

Helping myself move away from negative thoughts is a way of showing love for myself, just as it is when i try to comfort or cheer a friend.

I have suffered enough. I want to be happy.

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