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For starters it was not a mistake in typing. If you made it once or twice that would have been the case. You made it every time you typed the word. Which I took as evidence that not only do you not know much about chromosomes, you don't even know what they are called.

Secondly, this:

is not evidence of God. How are the numbers 12, 24, 38 and 46 perfect. Is there a pattern here that I don't see. Then you say the only exception is a species which reproduces by sexual attraction, well I got news for you; three of the four you listed reproduce that way. Exception to what.
You see my frustration in talking to you is not that you are religious, most people I know are. It is that you don't have a point. How is that perfect?

Skeptic, you will never convince someone who operates emotionally only, with logic, no matter how well stated. Religious zealots who feel they are on earth to convince others to be zealots as well do not operate on logic, only emotion and sadly, the emotion is something induced in them by some shade tree preacher with a bad haircut. Or some salesman with a greased back hair cut and wife who sings poorly on cable TV. Convincing a mob is an easy job. Just look how well Hitler did.

Skeptic,

Why are you so bent on pointing out mistakes I have made? I said they were spelling mistakes, so what? Get over it. I used the humans as an example, I never said we were the only ones who reproduced by sexual attraction.

Let it go, I have. I said you have your misguided truths about evolution and I have the real truth about it. You don't want to believe the truth I have, so don't. Just let it go. Don't let it eat it you up inside.

Now Pondlady is associating Jesus with Hitler? I don't understand that logic except to say that she must have really been hurt by someone somewhere in her life and it has really hardened her heart.

I am praying for peace for you, Pondlady.

pondlady, one thing, do you even know what a zealot is? If so, aren't you the most zealous person here since whenever a christians says something you start screaming that they are idiots and you are willing to defend your faith by calling others stupid. So far the only one operating on emotions is you since I see no logic in any of your arguments what so ever since the only thing you do is fanatically call everyone that doesn't have the same worldview as your's a "zealot". If that is what you think logic is, I tip my hat to you.

Skeptic since you are defending evolution here, I'll throw a question that I would like to know what your opinion is on it.
If evolution was true, why do flowers have the colors they do? It would be great if you could explain that and please don't call me a zealot or a stupid Christian for asking that question because that is a perfectly logical question to ask. Thank you

amadeus1220, as pondlady said, "you will never convince someone who operates emotionally only, with logic, no matter how well stated." I do agree with her on the sentence. You seriously can't. So what I would like to suggest to you would be that don't try to convince pondlady. You can't convince her. And by the way is your preacher someone with bad hair cut because my preacher is difinitely not. I don't know where she gets her idea of a "preacher" from. Do atheists by any chance have preachers?
Pondlady you are seriously confusing me there. Anyways, those were just some random thoughts as I read what people wrote in this page. Wow I don't see why a preacher, even with a bad hair cut, couldn't talk logically.

No, my pastor does not have a bad haircut in fact, his hair is kept short and neatly combed.

He is a true man of God and would give you the shirt off of his back if you asked. He goes out of his way to talk and pray with people before and after services and as far as money goes, they make sure to tell us that we should not feel bad if we do not have money for the weekly collections and the money they do get goes to the building fund as we are building on to our church debt free.

Money goes to the storehouse so we can give food to people twice a month and would eventually like to do it weekly. We normally give out well over a thousand pounds of food to people each week that we have the storehouse.

Money goes to overseas missions that we sponsor in Kenya, Guatemala, Ethiopia and other countries in Africa.

Money even went to New Orleans along with people from our church and four semi trailers of food, clothes, toys, books, water and tools to help repair the devastation that resulted from Hurricane Katrina.

People seem to forget or not know that it was the "religious zealots" who stepped up to help rebuild and clean up New Orleans and its surrounding parishes when the government had all but forsaken them down there. Pondlady should especially be aware of this since she lives in Louisiana.

Money from our collections also goes to to Reach The Children ministries worldwide as well.

Our pastor is not getting wealthy from the church and he and his wife live in a mobile home that has been added onto on ten acres of land. They have 2 vehicles which were made in the 80's. Our pastor is a very humble man.

Money also goes to the church's outreach program in which we do oil changes for single mothers twice a year, Thanksgiving dinners and Christmas dinners for them as well.

I am very proud to be associated with this church and even more proud to be a Christian.

Pondlady and Skeptic should feel so proud but as empty and hateful as they are, I can understand why they aren't.

I will not give up praying for them though or anyone here who is not saved.

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Everyone proud in heart is an abomination to the LORD;
Though they join forces, none will go unpunished.

Prov 16:5

From your own religion ....

Shall I also find something on judgment? Who are you to know what their actions and thoughts are outside of this forum? Frankly I find the trumpeting of "good deeds" in rather poor taste. You might be surprised to find out how many atheists and agnostics also donate to charity, volunteer their time, and contribute to the lives of others. Since there isn't an omnipotent spectator that might have missed the good works or competing 'deed' groups perhaps it simply isn't necessary to announce "I did this!".

By example is a lost art. It all seems to be about the mouth. Too bad, really, our world might be a better place if it were the former rather than the latter.

As a Christian I boast about nothing but Christ himself. As a Christian everything that I do or I should do is because I want to be more like him. When I do good works, I do it because Christ himself is good and I want to become more like Him. I love everyone because Jesus in Mat 5:44 said,



That is what I boast about. As it is written in Psalm 34: 2 says


I do good work not to be saved but because I am saved in Christ alone. That is why I live and talk and do everything that I do. I do apprectiate my atheist friends who do good works too. I love them and pray for them but why do they good works? I don't see why anyone should do good works if there is no God. What is the difference between good and bad? What is the standard for good and bad without God? I don't see one. Dear friend, the only way to get satisfied with our lives, it doesn't matter if we do charity or not, is by accepting Jesus who is the standard of goodness. God Loves You

The post preceding mine was indeed full of boasting and pride. Sorry, it wasn't about a likeness to Jesus or God.

This is the crux of the matter, "I don't see why anyone should do good works if there is no God. What is the difference between good and bad? What is the standard for good and bad without God? I don't see one."

Empathy, sympathy and charity do not belong only to your religion. If you saw a wounded animal or a starving child would you not help them if you thought your God wasn't watching? If not, I think you are the one who should be pitied.