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Originally Posted By: frieda7
Since I've grown up, our roles have changed and now I feel suffocated around her. I would be miserable living with her, or even near her. I was so offended (and still am) that she would be waiting and hoping for my husband to die so she could try and push herself on me. He's in good health for god's sake, and a lot younger than her, so why should she be planning on him dying first? He did have cancer when we first met 13 years ago, so it's not out of nowhere, but he's been "cured" and we of course are hoping for many more years together. Not her though! That's when I realized she definitely doesn't have my best interests in mind anymore, which is really sad. It's just all about her loneliness. We are even worried about her trying to poison my husband or something crazy. I know, this is really off topic, but had to get it off my chest. I so want to be able to be happy on my own in life.


Hey Frieda...

Your mom really does sound like a classic narcissist. Most parents would hope for their daughter's happiness in marriage, and would support you in that. Your mom is only thinking of you in terms of how you can help her.

It's a familiar refrain for me...as I guess you know from my blog!

Cheers

Elise



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bonsai #301342 03/21/07 06:44 PM
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"This article is just blatantly sexist. If you are going for a rare evening out and your kid starts crying give them a kiss and say mommy willbe home soon. Then leave. Notice fathrs are never mentioned."

So true, tubby3pug! This article just emphasizes the sexist attitude that women, not men, are expected to make the major sacrifices for their children. Ever notice that when a woman announces she's pregnant, people ask her about how she's going to deal with balancing her career with motherhood. As if having a child is just her responsibility?! No one ever asks a future father about how he plans to balance work and fatherhood.

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I remember a coworker who, when her kids were preschool age, was conflicted because her kids constantly asked her to stay home with them, and instead she put them in day care everyday. Why? Because she wanted the nice cars, nice house, etc. She and her husband could have afforded for her her to stay home if they had cut back a little, maybe kept a car for more than a couple of years before trading it in, hadn't built the big, fancy house, etc. I think kids appreciate a parent who stays home with them in their younger years more than houses and cars.

I was lucky because my mom stayed home with my brother and me until we started school. I never spent a day in day care. We didn't have a lot of fancy things, but I don't remember ever wanting for anything. My mom was busy with her own things, and my brother and I had to learn to play by ourselves. She didn't have time to be our playmate and activity director, so we used our imaginations. Or she'd shove us outside to play, ride our bikes, etc. We were responsible for our own entertainment, and we knew better than to say we were bored!

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I just want to say, you have brought this upon yourself, but I guess it's not really your fault because society is mandating this type of lifestyle.


I can see it as "society" mandating the lifestyle if it's a family of McSheep who feels as if it simply must keep up with the Joneses and get the latest jet-skis and Nintendos and Range Rovers...that's one thing. We've all seen folks like these, unfortunately.

But the other thing (which is true of all working mothers) is that one simply cannot be in two places at one time. It *is* a juggling challenge, and either your job, your kids, or your personal time will suffer (if you work full time, have kids who are moderately active and challenging, and a husband who is average in terms of not doing much to chip in). That said, it seems that most women are choosing that it will be their own personal time that suffers; I view that choice as unfortunate, but perhaps the least problematic of the three...in fact, almost noble. I wouldn't want to be one of these over-burdened women (just reading about them makes me tired), but I've never said I don't have respect for mothers who set their standards high.

Society has given women the impression that they can "have it all". They can --- [b]but not all at once[/b]. Even Sandra Day O'Connor, a feminist ground-breaker for her work as the first female Supreme Court Justice, stayed home while her kids were young. In her interviews, she has said that eludes her why people don't seem to understand that women can't be two places at once.

I am not advocating that the mom stay home. I'm advocating that if a couple decides to have children, ONE of the parents should stay home when the children are young. We'd probably all be a lot better off if that parent were, more often than is the case now, the dad. We'd probably also be a lot better off if people cut back on their materialism, forgot about the Joneses for once, and asked the really tough questions about what is important to them in life (and yeah, that would involve not thinking of parenthood as an automatic "given"). I have a feeling we'd have more relaxed people (parents and non-parents), less junk rusting in the garage, and perhaps fewer children born --- but happier parents and therefore happier, more well-rounded kids.


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myrabeth, that is a great point. I think my parents are proud that I am so independant, however I believe they wish I was less independant and needed them more. My mom especially thinks i should call at the very least once a week. And she will dig and dig for information--she would love for me to ask for advice on my marriage etc. But they raised me to handle my own issues---a good thing!!

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Originally Posted By: frieda7
I forgot to say, this article made me feel even more like I can't afford to have a kid. These moms just hire someone to do every chore so they can spend more time with their kids. Must be nice, but I'd go broke really fast I did that. Not only is it taking away from your ability to work, but you have to hire so much help.


That's like people who tell me, "your husband doesn't help around the house? Why don't you just hire a maid?"

I say to them, "hey, that's a great idea! Are you going to pay for it?"

Plus, all the people that I know who have a maid service come in - they have to clean the house before the maid gets there! Well, what the heck would I get a maid for? After putting everything away, you may as well just spend an extra 5 minutes dusting and vacuuming!

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I see peers that are on the phone all the time with their family (parents) consulting them on every aspect of their lives. It is like the apron strings never got cut.

It makes me feel inadequate because I am not like that...and never have been.


A lady at work still has her 23-year-old daughter living with her - the girl brings her dinner every night, cooks dinner for her, they go shopping, to the movies, they spend all their free time together, the girl calls her mom about 6 times a day at work. (By the way, my co-worker is very happily married to her husband and they have a son living at home with them too, so it's not like it's a single mom or anything.) I love my mom, but I don't hang out with her. My SIL is the same way. I just don't "get" the whole being best friends with your mom thing. It works for some people, just not for me.

I'm sure it stems back to my parents' divorce.

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Originally Posted By: myrabeth
My parents raised two independent children. We figured stuff out on our own and created our own forms of play. (Remember that imagination thing we had as kids? Do today's kids have that?)

I feel that they handled things right, but I sometimes wonder if they regret it. My mom gets worried and calls me if she doesn't hear from me at least once a month and my dad is always pushing for me to visit more often.

Does this imply that they are normal parents of adults or that they wish they could have been more like the parents in the article?


Once a MONTH????? My mom calls me every single day. It was about 5 times a day when I was in college. Literally. We had to have a talk. (I think it's because I'm her only child and we lived together just her and I for so long.) My dad is always whining at me, too, how I never call or come over, but then again, he doesn't call me or invite me, and we invite him over here every once in a while.

Parents are so needy! :-)

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I cannot imagine talking to my mom every day! Even once a week is rough, because my parents like to talk for an hour--and nothing has changed!! So my mom asks question after question..I am trying to encourage her to use e-mail, but it is not working!

My mother has had a cleaning person in the past and she did always clean before she got there!! It did seem very silly!

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I was lucky because my mom stayed home with my brother and me until we started school. I never spent a day in day care. We didn't have a lot of fancy things, but I don't remember ever wanting for anything. My mom was busy with her own things, and my brother and I had to learn to play by ourselves. She didn't have time to be our playmate and activity director, so we used our imaginations. Or she'd shove us outside to play, ride our bikes, etc. We were responsible for our own entertainment, and we knew better than to say we were bored!


I think if parents can afford it, great! When we lived with my dad, the fact that we also lived minutes from my grandparents meant that I never was in daycare. I did go to preschool early, but I really enjoyed that. And then when my parents divorced I would go to either my mom's parents OR my dad's parents after kindergarten, 1st grade, etc. depending on the day of the week.

My nephew, on the other hand, was being taken care of by family members until he was about a year old. Then he was in daycare one day a week, and he liked it so much that my sister decided to put him in all 4 days a week. He LOVES being there with the other kids, and it seems to be really good for him to be there.

My MIL stayed at home with her kids until the last one was in school. To do that, though, she had to quit her job and my FIL traveled on business sometimes 4 days a week. Consequently, the few days that they saw their dad, it was SUPERDAD time, and they had NO money and only second-hand clothes, toys, etc.

So really, there is no "right" thing to do. It seems anything you do has a downside. I think you have to find the right balance for your family.

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Chaco -

It just gets annoying sometimes. She almost always calls me as I'm walking out the door for work and then says, "oh, you work today?" I started telling her, Yes, I work every day, just like you. You would think that by now she would realize that I work 3-8 every day ... I just don't understand either why she thinks that there is something new in my life every day.

But ... I love her, so I can't be too hard on her for calling me all the time. After all, I totally rock, so I can understand how people can't bear to be parted from me ... :-)

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