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God never changes his/her religion.
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Spirituality, The OT is about the law. Before you can come to a savior you must first realize you need one. The OT is a literal demonstration of the consequences under the law of rebellion to God. For example; God commands stoning to literally say that death is the natural result of sin. He puts Israel into slavery to show that sin makes slaves of those who live by sin. Etc, Etc. Jesus said to repent then accept Him. You don't think you need to repent unless you first think you did something wrong. The OT shows the folly of man trying to be perfected by the law. The law shows us the standard and it is impossible to attain. Then comes Jesus. The ONLY one who ever attained perfection. He became the spotless sacrifice needed to reconcile man with God. The OT is the messiah concealed and the NT is the messiah revealed. Jesus gave us the way. Only through Him. We don't need to be perfect. He did that for us. We just need to be redeemed through Him and trust Him.
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God never changes his/her religion. Oh good grief...! God doesn't HAVE a religion.... !! 
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God does have a religion.. at least the Biblical version does.. He says he is the God of the Hebrews. And since the Jews, Christians and even Muslims look to the same God, he is revered and worshipped by more than half of the world.
I agree Alexandra, that the Creator of all things would not have a religion. And that it would be neither male nor female. But, we are in the minority with that belief.
So Dave, what was the whole point of the smiting, stoning, killing, slavery, etc in the OT? Why would God send laws to be obeyed under the penalty of DEATH, if he didn't want them to be followed? And, how did Jesus change anything? He basically gave half on humankind an excuse to do anything they want to do and get away with it because Jesus took away their "SINS."
I ask you Dave.. and I really, really want an answer here. What did Jesus accomplish? Did his sacrifice do any good? Why are we still killing one another? Why does bigotry, judgment, hatred and war still exist? What did the poor man do but give everyone excuse to NOT live by spiritual law?
Love and Light..
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TexasDave7 says "The OT is a literal demonstration of the consequences under the law of rebellion to God. For example; God commands stoning to literally say that death is the natural result of sin. He puts Israel into slavery to show that sin makes slaves of those who live by sin. Etc, Etc"
That is like saying that you need to beat a child senseless, lock them in their room for days without food, and abuse them in order to teach them that rebellion of their parents is wrong. Does any GOOD parent follow that route no matter how badly behaved a child might be? Would you do that to your child for disobeying you? There are incidences of that everyday.. and we call it child abuse. People are put in jail for that offense. Why should God be any different? Is it right for him to abuse his "Children" to make a point? Why?
Love and Light..
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Spirituality, The OT is about the law. Before you can come to a savior you must first realize you need one. ....You don't think you need to repent unless you first think you did something wrong. Well that's OK then, because I KNOW, and remain inalterably convinced that I've done nothing wrong. And nothing has ever, even during my days as a Catholic, ever convinced me in any fundamentally indisputable way, that I actually need a God. That puts me in the clear, I'm afraid.....
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Please don't think I am being obnoxious with these questions... But they are questions I have had since I was a child. These are the very things that have always kept me from believing in the Biblical version of God.
I am not anti Jesus either.. far from it... I see him as a great man, a great teacher, and a great prophet. I hate what Christianity has done to him. I don't think it was his intent to have the focus of a religion based on his LIFE, become a religion based on his DEATH.
Love and Light..
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I hate what Christianity has done to him. I don't think it was his intent to have the focus of a religion based on his LIFE, become a religion based on his DEATH.
I agree with you on this! His death is only there as a sacrifice for us, and the most important facet of that was the resurrection! Back to the question of whether God changed His religion... man created "religion", God had nothing to do with that - He is above it, and so like Alexandra (I think) pointed out, has no religion. I read somewhere once, would I really want a God that I could completely understand? Because if so then that meant I could be everything He/She could be. To me it is somewhat comforting to know that God is beyond me. It is extremely frustrating at times, especially when it comes down to times being bad and I can't figure out what the purpose is for it. But it is much better to know that a God that is bigger is in control rather than one that is like me.
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Spirituality, Jesus's ministry was about His life, His teachings, His death, and His ressurection. Jesus came for the reason of dying and being ressurected. This is what He said in the Garden of Gethsename. This is what He told His Apostles numerous times during His ministry. He died to pay for our sins ( that is critical) and He rose as the firstfruits of His promise ( also critical) His life was important but it was only one third of His mission. Focusing only on His life is just as incomplete as only focusing on His death.
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Spirituality, There are spiritual laws just as there are physical laws. Violation of these laws produces bad events as a natural consequence of violating them. Parents do spank their children sometimes for their own good. Also, sometimes parents let the natural consequences befall their children so experience will discipline them.
Last edited by texasdave7; 02/28/07 05:00 PM.
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