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I�m not so familiar with Christianity but Seems it has some common bases and laws with Islam as condemn abortion and homosexuality.

Whereas Buddhism doesn't judge or condemn anything, but simply manifests Wisdom, Love and Compassion....

I would argue that the very existence of matter which Mr. Dawkin studies is proof for God's existence.
And about the verse in the bible, I believe that Christianity regards women higher than any other religion including atheism. We believe that Women are created in God's image but what is the best atheism can offer? That women are created by the almighty protoplasm billions of years ago and then evolved from stupid, nonrational animals to human beings.
Being silent in the Church is as a sign of respect and the bible claims that women are equal to men as is a black man to a white man but if atheism was true then we wouldn't really know for sure what was true and what was false.

Here is verse that I want to end with:
GAL 3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free man, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

Seems Buddhism has nice attitude in human affair but can count it as a religion?


Nice statement! Can you show evidence (in Bible I mean, directly without doubt)? Christian history hasn�t shown it, I think.

I can bring a part of Quran with nearly as same as you mentioned in your post but it don�t mean equality.

If you would argue that, then by all means make your argument, because the sentence you just wrote is not an argument. It is just a statement for which you provide no evidence. Likely because there is none.



Christianity regards women higher than any religion including atheism??? First of all atheism is NOT a religion. It is NOT a belief system. It is the name we give to those who lack the belief in a deity. I presume each atheist could regard women differently. There is no doctrine.
On the other hand Christianity does make specific statements about women. note:
"But if ... evidences of virginity are not found for the young woman, then they shall bring out the young woman to the door of her father's house, and the men of her city shall stone her to death with stones..." (Deuteronomy 22:20,21)
Add that to the discrimination of women by the Catholic church, Judaism and Islam. In fact women have been discriminated against in every major religion. If you would like specifics just ask.

I am glad you brought up slavery. Let's take a look at what the bible says about that:
"Slaves, obey your human masters with fear and trembling, in the sincerity of your heart, as to Christ."(Ephesians 6:5)

"Slaves, obey your human masters in everything; don't work only while being watched, in order to please men, but work wholeheartedly, fearing the Lord." (Colassians 3:22)

"Slaves are to be submissive to their masters in everything, and to be well-pleasing, not talking back ." (Titus 2:9)

"Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel. " (1 Peter 2:18)


A simple explanation, but that is about right.
To discover that the Universe is some 8 to 15 billion years and not 6 to 12 thousand years old improves our appreciation of its sweep and grandeur; to entertain the notion that we are a particularly complex arrangement of atoms, and not some breath of divinity, at the very least enhances our respect for atoms; to discover, as now seems probable, that our planet is one of billions of other worlds in the Milky Way Galaxy and that our galaxy is one of billions more, majestically expands the arena of what is possible; to find that our ancestors were also the ancestors of apes ties us to the rest of life and makes possible important - if occasionally rueful - reflections on human nature.
--Carl Sagan


Frankly and with all do respect I don't even know what this means.
Could somebody please explain this quote to me. It is this kind of double speak that those without evidence use to make it look like they are making a point. Most may just wince a little and move on, but as a skeptic I must have read it 10 times. I sincerely hope you miss typed something here.

I can see a problem with what Alexandra said about Buddhism which that it "doesn't judge or condemn anything" because even a Buddhist would have to say that killing is wrong and that is a judgment. So that statement doesn't hold true and I don't have a problem with Buddhists "showing love and compassion" to others because that is exactly what I, as a Christian, am suppose to do too but obviously we all judge everything, even if they don't want to admit it, because everyone knows that there is such thing as right and wrong and there is such things as truth and false and there is such a thing as good and bad.

Babak then said:


Yes actually I have put a verse there just in case you might have had that question. But sure here is the verse again:

GAL 3:28


Then Babak said


Well I have to agree with you to that but that does not mean that Christianity think of women inferior to men. Just because I do something doesn�t mean that Jesus told me to do it because even Christians are humans and disobey God at times.

Then Babak said


I would like to see a couple of verse from Quran about that. Actually there is a whole post about �Good Treatment of women in Islam� in this forum and I believe it is titled that too. I am not sure where but I believe it is in the Islam section.

Skeptic, I am going to write an arguement God's existence as soon as possible.

Thanks Skeptic to inform us about point view of Christian religion about slavery. In Islam is nearly the same, our prophet and all Islamic saint men had slaves, and it was approved by God in Quran, I guess need not to bring some verse for sure but if you interested I can mention some.

Why did God approve slavery!!? Maybe you responses that, on that time if God didn�t do such, people wouldn�t accept religion according to their culture and customs on that time! Is it good excuse?

For sure I can mentioned an instance that humans did it in 6th century BC under the reign of Cyrus (Kurosh in persian) hence God could do that in better way I guess but why didn�t!!!?
You can see Cyrus Cylinder
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Thanks babak for the information.
The old testament and the Koran were both rewrites of much earlier testaments. The old testament was plagiarized from other wittings which contained many more books. It was up to those who wrote it which to include and which not to include. It was completely subjective at the time. The Koran was heavily lifted from the bible as it was written many years later. This explains the similarities.

"There is nothing 'Good' nor 'Bad' but that thinking makes it so"... (Shakespeare)

It's all a question of point of view, or perception. And you cannot claim that I see things as you do, because you can never know that for sure.




Not so.

We would look at the individual circumstance and consider the action in isolation.

If for example, you had a parent in terrible and constant pain and suffering,begging you to help them put an end to their own misery,because they simply could not go on enduring such pain and distress, dayb after day.... If you were, out of compassion, to 'kill' them, we would never condemn that, because even though strictly speaking (by ANY standard) you should not 'take a life', the motive behind such an action is compassionate.

If on the other hand, you were to bludgeon another person to death, out of extreme anger (a large majority of murders occur as a result of the kller's dependency on drugs/alcohol or questionable Mental state) then whilst we would still maintain (in line with all creeds, laws and religions) that the act was 'Unskillful', we would view the condition of the perpetrator with compassion. In line with the law as it stands, the person would merit punishment. But in line with Spiritual thinking, (and I can only speak for Buddhism) that person also merits compassion, understanding and Support.
But not Judgement. Not in the condemnatory way.

Thank you.