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babak, first of all, I didn't use any arguements for Theism or anything. I just point at the atheistic prosuppostions and in no way I am using it as a prove for Theism. If you also notice, I was reply to frattaro and I was pointing out that atheist do have to "believe" or presuppose that God doesn't exist because it can't be proven that God doesn't exist as you pointed out. So I think I have make my point there.

You cannot prove that I don't have a invisible dinosaur living in my backyard. If I say I do then it is up to me to provide the evidence. The burden of proof is on the person who holds the belief.

And if I say that you don't have a invisible dinosaur in your backyard but you actually do then what does that do to my arguement? It proves me wrong. And if I still believe that it is not possible that you may have a dinosaur in your backyard then I have as much burden of prove as you do. That is by using logical induction.

Thanks for your response.
This is not at all inductive reasoning/logic because the premises of your argument does not support the conclusion. All observed crows are black therefore all crows are black (thats inductive reasoning). You state:
"And if I say that you don't have a invisible dinosaur in your backyard but you actually do then what does that do to my argument? It proves me wrong."
Let's look at what this means. If I say I have an invisible dinosaur and you deny it, then I prove it to you, it would be ridiculous for you to continue denying it. Once it is proven it is proven, if you still deny you are just delusional. Your second point "And if I still believe that it is not possible that you may have a dinosaur in your backyard then I have as much burden of prove as you do." is therefore irrelevant. If I have already proven my point you will not be able to prove yours.

For the sake of argument lets say I tell you I have a shed in my backyard. You say "I don't believe it". I say "come on over", and show you the shed. You now say "it is still not possible that you have a shed in your yard". This would make you delusional.

When one person suffers from a delusion it is called insanity. When many people suffer from a delusion it is called Religion. -Richard Dawkins

Welcome skeptic
Who is Richard Dawkins? Nice quote.

Thanks babak.

Richard Dawkins bio is here:
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thanks Skeptic
nice guy you inform me about.

well based on the fact that you have been given enough prove for God's existence and you still deny it, what does that make you guys? Delusional? I don't know. Based what you are saying that is the conclusion one can make.
And about Richard Dawkins, I still haven't got to read his book yet but I don't really expect much from it. He doesn't even know science works but the book does sound rather interesting.

What???
What proof of God? Please provide this proof.


He doesn't know science works. What does that mean? He is a biology professor at Oxford and one of the best known scientist in the world today.

You always end with a bible quote so I will do the same.
"Women should be silent in the churches, for they are not permitted to speak, but should be submissive, as the law also says." (1 Corinthians 14:34)
yikes, that will go over well on bellaonline.

Good thing I don't go to church

There are plenty of objectionable verses; I am especially fond of the sanctioned murder and abortion by the 'moral lawgiver'. Interpretations vary regarding them, but you can't escape the fact that they are pretty primitive and mirror greatly practices of the Taliban.