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Spirituality. I'm sure you are familiar with the term. It seems to be the most popular way of expressing a feeling of something outside yourself. That is what Tara was asking about. Whats so random about that?


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I consider myself a secular humanist and I absolutely agree with what aredant has to say(random or not)about the whole talking to yourself thing. I "dialog with my subconcious" all the time...

BTW:I will be wandering over to your blog... <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />


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Well I was not talking about Spirituality, I was talking about sex and talking to urself while the whole topic was about God and specific terms. That is why I found it random.


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(good regular sex helps a lot too!)


Absolutely! (I better stop there...) <img src="/images/graemlins/devil.gif" alt="" />

Let's just suppose the Raelians have it somewhat right - we really are some sort of science experiment for a more evolved species. Do you call them God because they 'created' earth/us/whatever? Humans create (albeit not on the magnitude of earth-building). Are we gods?


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Well, GLU, you may have a point there. Although you can get a million different perspectives about what people consider what a god is, as I read Tara's statement more closely, I think a person she is describing would be referred to generally as a theist since this is a person who believes in a god, god-like being or a "force" for that matter. Beyond that she can just call her self anything she wants.

I picked up on the fact that she said she sensed there was "something out there" and sometimes people just label a vague notion such as this as "Spirituality".

All I know is I run into alot of theists who don't care for organized religion and refer to themselves as "spiritual".
I certainly would not refer to myself that way.

The sex thing was just a bit of humor....hehheh.


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A couple of reasons. First of all, why would such a God create everything and abondan it? It would be a deciptive God who likes to play with people's mind's and feelings and even believes. He would be like a doctor who sees what the problem is and doesn't want to solve it. If there was a God then He would be knowable, not unknowable.


And you don't see a god who likes to play with people in your bible? If one is to believe the biblical stories I would say that god has gone far beyond the neglective cruelty of leaving something alone. (Insert tangible sarcasm)

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Tara- I think what you are describing is Deism. Here's a link:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/deism.htm

As you can see, many of the Founding Fathers followed this belief system, including George Washington, Benjamin Franklin, and Thomas Jefferson, so you are in good company!

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I have a couple of questions....first how do we know what those men believed? And second why are they such good company? I could go on for hours about the reasons I'd rather not be in some of the above mentioned company, but I'd rather hear your reasons for being so thrilled with it.

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On the Founding Fathers and deism:


Thomas Jefferson: "Funk & Wagnalls New Standard Dictionary (1952) includes in the definition of Deist: "One who believes in God but denies supernatural revelation." There is no question Jefferson rejected the Bible as divine revelation and rejected the divinity of Jesus. In the Declaration of Independence Jefferson's appeal was to the God of the Deist, "Nature's God," not specifically to the God of Christianity (see letter dated Sep. 14, 1813, to Jefferson from John Adams equating "Nature's God" with "the revelation from nature").

As President, Jefferson occasionally attended church services; but, he was not a communing member of any Christian church. Further, he refused to proclaim any national days of prayer or thanksgiving."

http://www.sullivan-county.com/id3/jefferson_deist.htm

Franklin: "Franklin began to clarity his religious beliefs through a series of essays and letters. In them, he adopted a creed that would last the rest of his life: a virtuous, morally fortified, and pragmatic version of deism. Unlike most pure deists, he concluded that it was useful (and thus probably correct) to believe that a faith in God should inform our daily actions; but like other deists, his faith was devoid of sectarian dogma, burning spirituality, deep soul-searching, or a personal relationship to Christ."

http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_2_28/ai_114090213/pg_1

Another good book to read on this topic if you're interested, is "Faiths of the Founding Fathers" by David L. Holmes.

As for whether the Founding Fathers are good company, I have no idea, having never met them! But most Americans seem to consider the creation of the USA as a good thing, and so I would assume that the people involved in creating it would have some positive attributes and at least few good qualities. Your opinion might be different, but hey, isn't that one of the great things about the country they created - freedom of speech and the right to express it?

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Thomas Jefferson: "Funk & Wagnalls New Standard Dictionary (1952) includes in the definition of Deist: "One who believes in God but denies supernatural revelation." There is no question Jefferson rejected the Bible as divine revelation and rejected the divinity of Jesus. In the Declaration of Independence Jefferson's appeal was to the God of the Deist, "Nature's God," not specifically to the God of Christianity (see letter dated Sep. 14, 1813, to Jefferson from John Adams equating "Nature's God" with "the revelation from nature").As President, Jefferson occasionally attended church services; but, he was not a communing member of any Christian church. Further, he refused to proclaim any national days of prayer or thanksgiving."[/qoute]

I wouldn't be surprised to know (if such knowledge could ever be obtained) that you are correct, but again you've not answered my question...how do we know? I do, however, thank you for inserting sources.

[qoute]Franklin: "Franklin began to clarity his religious beliefs through a series of essays and letters. In them, he adopted a creed that would last the rest of his life: a virtuous, morally fortified, and pragmatic version of deism. Unlike most pure deists, he concluded that it was useful (and thus probably correct) to believe that a faith in God should inform our daily actions; but like other deists, his faith was devoid of sectarian dogma, burning spirituality, deep soul-searching, or a personal relationship to Christ."[/qoute]

Same as above. I'm not picking on you, I promise, I'm using your posts (because you do go about making a reasonable point) to make my point: we don't know. We can have good reason to believe, but we don't know what those men thought.

[qoute]As for whether the Founding Fathers are good company, I have no idea, having never met them! But most Americans seem to consider the creation of the USA as a good thing, and so I would assume that the people involved in creating it would have some positive attributes and at least few good qualities. Your opinion might be different, but hey, isn't that one of the great things about the country they created - freedom of speech and the right to express it?


A good idea, yes, a lovely idea. It went pretty wrong along the way, but I must say it was a good idea. Positive attributes are something that we should probably think about a bit though. Hitler's economic ideas were wonderful and they worked exceptionally well, that doesn't mean I hold him in high esteem.

My point on that one is that if you're right, you're just right and you don't have to have someone well known or historically important believe the same. Someone can be right alone in a corner, and if you really believe you're right such company (good or bad; we'll have to discuss Franklin at greater length sometime) would mean nothing.

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