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Shortest answer: yes, they do. Longer answer: and they come in different capacities, whether it's the "omg can you believe those childfree people, there was one the other day that actually didn't think it was cute that my Snotlee kicked them" or the more fundamentalist "and it's so sad about all those women who don't know what the Lord truly wants for them, they are truly leading sad and empty lives" or any other number of sites out there.
On any place on the 'net, you can find websites where people talk about other people who've p*i*s*s*e*d them off, whether it's customerssuck.com or childfree sites or any sort of board where you'll find people ranting. And trust me, childfree people often have a good reason to rant--hell, just as me about my personal experiences, from the woman at a party who I didn't even know who lectured me, to my dad who doesn't believe I'll never have kids, to my nurse practitioner, who bluntly told me I wouldn't find a doctor to sterilize me until I was 25. This board is no different from any of the other rant boards. So why the offense?
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BellaOnline Editor Parakeet
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Good points! Calm, and well thought out. Way to go! Kim MNK Editor Many of the childfree community are harrased to no end "in real life" (in person, as opposed to over the internet) based on their decision to not have kids. Many people here have been harassed about this by family, friends, acquaintances, neighbors, coworkers, students, people at church, strangers on the street...the list goes on. So, many childfree individuals have a lot of pent up anger, and they vent it here, where they know there are others of like mind around. Many childfree have a difficult time venting anger anywhere else, as others close to us or overhearing what we say may offer up more harassment about our choice.
When most of us call a parent a name, it is because they have been a bad parent, and when they call a child a name, it is because they have been a bad child. It is the same as in the general population...others may not use the term "breeder" or "moo" or what-have-you, but I'm certain you have heard people say "what a terrible parent" or "so-and-so should not have had kids" or some such thing. Most of us know that all people are different, and that there are some very good parents out there -- what we may fail to get across in our posts is that when we call a name, those good parents are excluded from that group.
I am not defending anyone's actions, be they childfree, parents or people who are undecided; one of the reasons I am here is to promote understanding so that we can all get along and learn from each other.
In the interest of harmony between people, and avoiding misunderstandings, I try to avoid calling names and be as plain and straightforward as possible. If I mean bad parent, I will say bad parent. Or ideally, I will describe the action or attitude that I don't like, and be neutral about the person. We all have bad days and we all make mistakes, but that doesn't make us bad people.
Now, given, that all goes down the tubes when we are upset...we all use harsh words when we're upset...and the anonymity of the internet makes it so much easier. But be forgiving of these things, everyone...we all say things we don't mean when we're mad, or hurting, or when someone has hurt our feelings or offended us.
So it comes full circle...perhaps on message boards for parents, people write about people who have made them mad, hurt their feelings, or offended them. They might be childfree, they might be other parents, they might be little green men from mars. But that's just human nature...everybody has to vent sometimes.
That makes us all more similar than different, I think, even with our hugely different lifestyles.
Please let me know if I can be of further assistance on this matter. I would so love it if we all got along and respected one anothers' point of view. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Kim KenneyBellaOnline Museums EditorMy Museum Ebooks"Seek those who find your road agreeable, your personality and mind stimulating, your philosophy acceptable, and your experiences helpful. Let those who do not, seek their own kind." -Jean-Henri Fabre
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When someone tells a story with "stupid cow" and other hate terms it takes away from the actual story/point being expressed. There's nothing wrong with sharing stories and experiences. That's what unites us.
I've had similar experiences but I would never come to a forum and sprout on about the "stupid cow". I would explain the facts. I ran into a mother/woman and her daughter today and this is what happened can you believe it...There's just a right way and a wrong way (edited by Moe because I liked Linda's interpretation).
You have to bear in mind that this isn't an adult only forum too. People of all ages come here. It's a reflection on everyone.
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Well, people of all ages are welcome to browse and discuss, but "Married no Kids" refers in my mind to adults who don't want to have kids.
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Gecko
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As well, it has always been my opinion that anyone who is too young to see swear words or to see posts that aren't all sweetness and light, is far too young for the internet (keeping in mind that I and most of my friends learned to swear around age 12, which is UNDER the age of 13 that one must be to post on an internet message board, so anyone too young for swear words ought not to be here in the first place, and certainly shouldn't be online without close parental supervision to make sure that what they're reading is appropriate OR straying beyond disney.com).
So, sorry. The "all ages" thing doesn't faze me in the least.
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Gecko
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When someone tells a story with "stupid cow" and other hate terms it takes away from the actual story/point being expressed. There's nothing wrong with sharing stories and experiences. That's what unites us.
I've had similar experiences but I would never come to a forum and sprout on about the "stupid cow". I would explain the facts. I feel that you only take away from your credibility if you go on about poor parenting and bratty kids by calling names. Using poor language is just another thing we'd be upset by if *they'd* done it (in addition to being poor parents)...so why should we? The facts speak for themselves, folks...the facts are enough. Adding the dicey language offends some of *us* --- and by us, I mean CFs. I mean me, for one. It's not a question of having part of the forum be for childless folks and another part be for "bona fide" CFs who've chosen not to have kids. It's a question of the civility of argument, *not* of the appropriateness of actual facts being expressed being in question whatsoever. As for those members who are crying "free speech": this is a moderated forum (nothing new about that). If you want completely unfettered, unmoderated discourse on CF issues, most of the Usenet CF groups and a ton of web-based CF forums are out there for you to enjoy. We are forgetting how to have civil discourse (I'm speaking about the USA, at this point), all the while preaching "free speech". Folks, the people who *invented* the very concept of free speech --- the US founding fathers, with the help of the French revolution, of course ---somehow managed to take excellent advantage of their free speech without resorting to name-calling. They soundly decried the behaviour of the British empire without resorting to name-calling. Are we really evolving if we can't at least aspire to the same 200+-year-old standard? Elise
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Just a suggestion, I think the word "bad" is a horrible word. Bad seems to describe a person as a no-good person. All of us whether parent, child, etc. are not bad. We all do wrong things and right things at times. We make mistakes. Instead of using the word "bad", I always use right or wrong. A good person can do something wrong, but they are still a good person. And of course, they do things right also. I dislike the whole "hate" thing, as it is a self-esteem killer in a human being. These are just my thoughts and opinion. I hope everyone gets along!
Last edited by Lin_Heartburn_Editor; 10/26/06 11:04 PM.
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"You have to bear in mind that this isn't an adult only forum too. People of all ages come here. It's a reflection on everyone."
I brought up younger people because we're an example (whether we want to be or not), not because of any cursing they may see.
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I'll be honest: if I can be an example to some young person that it's okay to dislike misbehaving children and parents who aren't parents at all, I'll be glad. There's far too much of society already telling them they have to just looooooove children.
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