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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273577 10/12/06 04:14 PM
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I believe there is right and wrong. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273578 10/12/06 04:15 PM
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Let me just clarify all this.

I don't think we can prove WHO or WHAT even the creator force IS. But there is PROOF of the creator-force. Which is what I am arguing against athiests, which are usually defined as people who do not believe in a god/creator-force.

In order to have an infallible set of unchangeable rules of good vs evil, right vs wrong, there must be a FORCE behind it.

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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273579 10/12/06 04:16 PM
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I'm not a christian stop lumping me in with them. I have no religion

Sorry for misunderstanding. I suppose that explains why your morals are more flexible. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />

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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273580 10/12/06 04:18 PM
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Sorry for misunderstanding. I suppose that explains why your morals are more flexible. <img src="/images/graemlins/crazy.gif" alt="" />


My morals aren't flexible. I just said there is an absolute good vs evil, right vs wrong, in my belief, however it would take a CREATOR-FORCE for that to be so.

These athiests want to pretend they can adhere to the absolute right vs wrong, good vs evil, but without a creator-force those things are merely "societal enforcements" in their minds.

Therefore athiests cannot believe there is an absolute law set down in spiritual nature that for instance child raping is bad, they can only agree that it is not societally acceptable. Ironically from the same society who enforces it only because of a belief in the absolute law.

Don't you see the contradiction?

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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273581 10/12/06 04:24 PM
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You really think it takes belief in a creator to know that entering into a sexual experience with a child is wrong?

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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273582 10/12/06 04:25 PM
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You really think it takes belief in a creator to know that entering into a sexual experience with a child is wrong?


Explain this to me: How do you think it is wrong?

So do you believe in an absolute eternal right vs wrong?

Why is it wrong? If all you are is mass and dirt in the ground, nothing is wrong. "It's just sexual instinct".

What moral authority do you have to say it's wrong?

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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273583 10/12/06 04:37 PM
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Let's start with something easy.

Do you have rules in your house?

I do not allow drugs in my house. Through experience I know that drugs are harmful therefore I have decreed that no drugs are allowed in my house.

Through experience I learned something I believe to be right/wrong. I make rules and choose my morals based on those experiences.

A set of morals and rules can be created based on previous experience (whether good, bad, or indifferent). That is, afterall, how laws/rules are traditionally made. Religion only reinforces many of those laws. Think about that whole sex-with-your-sister thing ... don't you think after having a couple generations of dee-dee-dee (as Carlos Mencia would say) you'd figure out it's not a good idea and make it a rule that you don't breed with close relatives?

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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273584 10/12/06 04:41 PM
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The authority of us being human beings, who can observe that children are not capable of understanding sex. And that, to put it in this way because I'm in a hurry to get somewhere- you don't enter into any kind of arrangement with someone unable to understand the full impact of it. That's the same thing as force, and I've given my reasons for not believing in force.

I would elaborate, but I have to visit someone.

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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273585 10/12/06 04:43 PM
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In saying it's the same thing as force- I realize it would always be force with small children. The "not entering into arrangments" thing was more to apply to those who are older but not yet adult.

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Re: Can Atheism REALLY be defended?
#273586 10/12/06 04:45 PM
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Let's start with something easy.

Do you have rules in your house?

I do not allow drugs in my house. Through experience I know that drugs are harmful therefore I have decreed that no drugs are allowed in my house.

Through experience I learned something I believe to be right/wrong. I make rules and choose my morals based on those experiences.

A set of morals and rules can be created based on previous experience (whether good, bad, or indifferent). That is, afterall, how laws/rules are traditionally made. Religion only reinforces many of those laws. Think about that whole sex-with-your-sister thing ... don't you think after having a couple generations of dee-dee-dee (as Carlos Mencia would say) you'd figure out it's not a good idea and make it a rule that you don't breed with close relatives?


So you think people just follow society's laws EVEN WHEN SOCIETY ISN'T LOOKING?!

Of course they are going to follow society's rules when society is watching. But if they have no MORAL compass or they deny their spiritual conscience, there is nothing to stop them from doing it, if they think they can get away with it!

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