BellaOnline Forums Religion and Spirituality Atheist A question for non-Athiests who post on here.

I would have to disagree with you on that one. Just calling people doesn't mean they are intolerent but you would actually have to be intolarant yourself to call others intolarant because if you were tolarant, you would tolarate other people for being intolarant. Also Truth by defination is in tolarant. So let's not be intolarant but deal with what they claim rather than calling them intolarnt and ourselves tolarant.

Sorry mate but you are just talking in circles here..... Patience did make a good point I believe <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Ask Muslim who wants to convert to Christianity if Islam is a tolerant religion right before they are sentenced to death. Ask a hostage in Iraq who is given a choice to convert or to die and chooses not to if Islam is a tolerant religion. Ask the abotion doctor who is killed for legally perfoming abortions if Christianity is a tolerant religion. Ask the young single mother at a former Baptist church I attended if tolerism was being practiced when they refused to let her have her baby shower at the Church because she was unamrried.

Let me walk around the small town where I live wearing a Muslim headcovering, an Indian sari or a pentacle necklace and well see how tolerant the "Good Christian People" here are to me!

Truth is by definition absolutely provable, too.
And I don't have to be an eggplant to call an eggplant an eggplant.
Labeling someone as intolerant when the label is true to the person's character is just honest, not intolerant.

OK. Let's get down to a few grass roots here and stop talking in circles.

Let's examine some of the things Christianity teaches and then look at some actual FACTS.

You believe in a perfect Creator how is omnipotent, onmipresent and omniscient.

How then do you explain the fact that his creations are so imperfect?

What about children who are born deformed, and with shocking heart, blood, bone and other organ imperfections, even when their parents have not indulged in drugs or alcohol or been deprived of adequate diets? And how do you explain that many whose parents DID have these problems produced normal children in spite of the above conditions?

You believe that God is a loving parent who protects his children, who listens to and answers prayer. Who never turns his back on those who cry to him for help when they honestly love and believe in him. He cares for the weak and the helpless; he ministers to the sick and does not even miss one sparrow as it falls. As Jesus said, how much more precious are we to him. He is a just God.

IS HE INDEED?

I have proof to the contrary on every single issue mentioned above.

As a tinly child, not even 5 yrs old, I was horribly sexually, physically, mentally, emotionally AND spiritually abused in a ritualistic and depraved way by a Christian priest and one, at least, of his 'flock'. It continued every week day until I was 7.

Every night I prayed to my 'heavenly father' to please save me from these bad people. I pleaded, I begged, I cried out to this 'God' from the depts of my very soul.

Did help come? NO. Did 'God' live up to his bible profile and protect the helpless and innocent? NO.

WHY? Because there IS no God! Not the one in the Bible anyway!

But it doesn't end there. I went on loving and hoping and in faith to the point that I dedicated my life to God and served him faithfully until I finally 'got the message' when I was 41 yrs old, and then I left Christianity for ever.

The legacies of the abuse, which this loving 'parent' ignored and left me to suffer in spite of my cries to him for help, left me with DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder)which was my mind's way of coping with the horrors I endured and helped me to survive, but this in istelf is a living hell. Only those with DID can possibly understand.

My life was ruined.

I fought with my own INNER strength to survive. I never ceased to be a loving person and that had absolutely nothing to do with God. If I'd depended on God for help, I'd be dead now!

I am almost 68 yrs old, and I've had plenty of life experience to learn from.

That's my story about my experience of God's love.

And don't tell me that the devil did it, because I don't believe in him either. The devil is just a cop out and an excuse that Christians and others use when they don't want to face hard facts about human nature.

Evil is like good. It is in each and every one of us and it is up to us to decide in which way we choose to develop. We can become 'Hitlers' or we can become 'Mother Teresa's'. We have the freedom to choose.

This also applies to Athiests. They also put forward their thoughts strongly.

Im very sorry for your experiences.I cant say i can imagine how you feel.
You seem like a very strong minded person however.To hold onto your belief for so long.

And even though I dont agree with christianity I dont believe in condeming it because of the actions of some Christians.

There are very good and devout Christians as well.you will no doubt know this.
trust in God. because those priests will be brougt to justice. God will be the best of judges between us all.
However Im not asking you to trust (have faith) without proof. I understand that yourself and many other people on this forum only lose that trust because of lack of proof in certain religions.
Not all religions are the same.

I hope that your parting from Christianity will not leave you without any faith of a God However.
I sometimes feel people who lose faith in one religion believe that there is no other options.Although I noticed you mentioned that you had only lost faith in the God of Christianity.

Im not here to criticise Christianity so I wont comment on what I think of it. But science can very easily prove the existence of God.

Thanks Kibrisli, as always, you are compassionate and kind.

I do believe that there is a 'greater power' but I am very careful not to try to define it.

Patience.

Im not here to criticise Christianity so I wont comment on what I think of it. But science can very easily prove the existence of God.


How? I am not saying this to be a smartass I am just very interested on how science proves the existence of god.

I have made about 3 posts on the Islam vs Athiesm post. Check it out.

But I ask you look at it with a truly nuetral point of view. No prejudice towards or against faith.