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Homosexuality and Christianity #258843 07/16/06 10:19 PM
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This thread is kind of a leap frog from the discussion Homophobia is Ignorant .

A couple of us were getting off subject on the fact of whether homosexuality was against God or not, so I thought I'd start this topic over here, so we wouldn't completely take over that thread (and make people mad).

I'll copy over the last couple of posts that were relevant to this discussion so we can get it going over here.


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Re: Homosexuality and Christianity #258844 07/16/06 10:21 PM
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From emaster101
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I certainly don;t want to discriminate against anyone. I would NEVER call anyone names or use violence of any kind. My arguments are strictly behavior oriented. There is no argument that people are born heterosexual. Our sexual parts are designed for that. There is no proof anyone is born gay.


What about the poor souls that are born hermaphroditic? Or the children who have been injured during birth and are out of necessity given a sex change? (I'm thinking back to a couple of baby boys who were burned badly and had to be changed into girls, I don't recall any going the other way.)

Also, sex in the human world is not solely, or even mostly about reproduction. If it were, then we would not have so many infertile couples. I think most here know that I am a fairly outspoken Christian, and I do not feel that God would create sex for reproduction and then torture women by not letting them reproduce!

Eve was created for Adam as a partner, and sexual relations bring partners closer together. It is a bonding like no other. I believe the *perfect* way would be for everyone to come to their marriage bed as a virgin - in a heterosexual relationship. But this is not a perfect world.

There are times when men and women do not find the love and compassion (or sometimes some elusive something that cannot be defined) from a member of the opposite sex. Sometimes there are psychological reasons for this, sometimes there are events that have happened in the past, but sometimes I believe that, yes, the body's physical makeup can play a role. Just because a person is born with a certain set of sexual organs, does not mean that their brain and endocrine system is putting out the correct amount of hormones.

But it is not our place to judge or even question who loves whom on this earth. As a Christian it is my responsibility to introduce people to my Savior, and then they can decide about what changes, if any, need to be made in their lives. I am only responsible for the changes that need to be made in my own - and possibly the ones in my children's, for as long as they are still innocent, and I am still teaching them.


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From emaster 101

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Am I to understand that as a Christian you condone homosexual behavior? Because if you do I suggest you read what Jesus said in Matthew 15:8-9. You cannot be a Christian and condone lawlessness. Sin is lawlessness. According to the Christian faith, homosexuality is sin and warning sinners of God's wrath abiding on the sinner is part of your charge as a Christian to help lead them to Christ.You do not judge the person but you do agree with God's judgements on what constitutes sin and its consequences.And you warn the sinner of his transgressions. People don't get saved unless they first realize they are in need of a savior. The fact that you get on here and defend homosexuality is strong evidence you have compromised your faith in the commandments of God and replaced them in your heart with the commandments of men.


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Whew! That one hit hard.

I don't condone any extramarital sex, be it homo or heterosexual.

But I have a very hard time with judging anyone, or condemning anyone for it, because before I became a Christian, I was involved premarital sex as well as affairs during my first marriage. All that changed after I was saved, but it doesn't change the fact that I did do those things and commit those sins.

I do not get on the homosexuality sites to defend homosexuality. I get on those sites to let people know that not all Christians are turned against them. Jesus loved everyone, and he hung out with the people society had cast out the most! Yet today we as Christians shun the very people we need to be taking God's word and love to.

We tend to crawl into our churches and hang out with our church friends and send our kids to private Christian schools; and never sully ourselves with the lost. And that's exactly the opposite of what we were commissioned to do.

And then when we do go out; we sit there and tell everyone what they are doing wrong and how horrible they are instead of introducing them to our Best Friend. The story of Mary Magdalene tends to come to mind. She wasn't saved because Jesus preached at her for being a prostitute, but because he didn't, and he saved her from the others that had condemned her so.

Maybe I'm wrong in my approach, I don't know for sure. But I do know that of the two greatest commandments that Jesus stated, the 2nd was "Love thy neighbor" - so that's what I'm trying to do.


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I am not against homosexuals. I am against homosexuality. I also vigorously defend marriage. Many homosexuals (or people who agree with their behavior) just assume that I oppose the person or condemn them along with their behavior. On the contrary, opposing behavior that leads to spiritual death is loving them. Those who live in sin, live apart from God. If they do not repent and come to Christ, they will be lost. I don't want to see that. God loves them. Jesus Christ did not die just for mother Theresa, He also died for Adolf Hitler and all those in between including fornicators, thieves, liars, homosexuals, adulterers. I myself am a former fornicator. That man is dead. I am reborn in Christ. Loving your neighbor is great but it is second in importance to the ," First and great commandment" " Love the Lord thy God with all your heart, with all your spirit, and with all your mind" This must come first. Otherwise we end up serving man rather than God.

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We are all born predisposed to different temptations, many of which become an addiction: Alchol, Sex, Drugs, Porn etc. Others a compulsion and some a life choice.

Can the predisposition to homosexuality be considered a temptation that some must over come as they struggle through life?

The Bible is very clear on God's view of the practice of homosexuality, he's against it. He is also very clear about how he feels about those who practice homosexuality, he loves them.

Its like I tell my kids, I don't love your behavior, but I do love you.

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Both of you make good points.

Like I said, this is an area where I feel particularly inadequate to point fingers.

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We are all born predisposed to different temptations, many of which become an addiction: Alchol, Sex, Drugs, Porn etc. Others a compulsion and some a life choice.


I don't know if I was born with a predisposition to having a problem with sex, or if it came about because of my rape early in life; but either way it is something I deal with on a continual basis. It is much easier now that I am a Christian, and have somewhere to turn for strength other than myself, but the temptations are still there.

And it is very hard for me to throw stones at anyone in this area. And there are so many reasons for someone choosing homosexuality that go beyond just saying "Oh, this sounds interesting." I believe only God can know the hearts and minds of all those people and stand in judgement of them. It is not my place to do so.

In a perfect world all sex would take place in a monogamous, marriage under God. But unfortunately this world is not perfect, and it won't be until after Jesus returns. Until then we have to try and be as forgiving as Christ and not run off those He would want to come to Him.

Or at least that's my opinion. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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Is this Texas dave born again??? lol... <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

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My temptations are food and money.....

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Why do people keep asking that? Who is TexasDave?

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