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Re: Article on Pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. #245072 06/28/06 10:59 PM
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Hiding themselves from God in their "nakedness" is symbolic.
I think when we stand before God for judgement, we will stand as if "naked" because He will know us so well inside and out. Lucifer, the serpant said, "run, hide yourselves".
He does that today to us. Often we hear him wishper, "you are not worthy of God's love and forgiveness....You are no good......you made a mistake, don't go back to church, don't pray...and sometimes we "hide' ourselves because we are afraid or lack faith. Maybe for a moment they did worry, but then they stepped up and became accountalbe for what they had done.
Adam and Eve were two of the greatest people on this earth. They weren't chosen by chance to fulfill the part they played in the earths creation and continuation. I have no doubt that a very wise Heavenly Father sent two of His most glorious spirits to do what they had to do and knew that they would make the right choice to become mortal and therefore Put into motion God's Eternal Plan of Happiness. That plan is to come to this earth to receive a body, be tested if we can stay true and worthy to return to Him.....as we all lived with Him as spirits. Then, when it is time to return to His presence for further instructions and judgements. Our Savior died that we might be forgiven for the mistakes we make if we desire that and then go back into our Heavenly Father's Kingdom. That sounds pretty great to me. In fact I'm pretty sure I agreed to it and so did you.
As a final note, I really, really don't want to get into a bash here. I feel you have very strong feelings one way and I another. If you are really interested in what I have to say and believe in, I am more than happy to respond.
But, on the other hand if you are trying to just discredit my faith and belief, it won't happen here or anywhere else.
I know who I am...I know what I believe.
If you really want answers, I will try to answer them, but not just to argue. To me that is not religion or what God whould want. I know that if you pray about things and then ask, sometimes it makes more sense. I hope some of this answers your "thinking outloud."
Oh, by the way, I like your name....freebubbles.


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Re: Article on Pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. #245073 06/28/06 11:11 PM
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Quote:
In his vision of the redemption of the dead, President Joseph F. Smith saw �the great and mighty ones� assembled to meet the Son of God, and among them was �our glorious Mother Eve�.


I am going to assume from this quote that you follow the Mormon or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I just want to point out that there are many discrepancies between your faith and Christianity. This is I guess one of the first ones.

Just because God was able to use the fall of Adam and Eve to His purpose and turn it into a good thing does not make it not a sin. Anytime you go directly against the Word of God (in this case it was spoken directly to them instead of written in the Bible first) - it is a sin. It was a choice, but it was a sin. They would not have been punished, had to repent, and then forgiven were it not a sin.


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Re: Article on Pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. #245074 06/28/06 11:35 PM
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I am going to assume from this quote that you follow the Mormon or Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. I just want to point out that there are many discrepancies between your faith and Christianity. This is I guess one of the first ones. From Bella Harmony

Isn't ist interesting that nothing I have said has been judgmental of any other Group or Religion and yet as soon as the wheels start turning in one posters mind, up jumps the old judgmental statement "there is discrepancies between your faith and Christianity." Yet, in the other part of her statement she suggests that I belong to "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints". Now that is waht I call a discrpancie.
I am not here to judge which church is true. I only found the topic interesting. I will not post if it offends you that I am a member of The Church of Jesus Christ Of Latter Day Saints. The same Jesus Christ that walked on wather, that was crucified, that healed the sick, that was born in a stable and did not intend for His followers to fight over who believed in Him and who didn't. Please forgive me if I have offended anyone. I know that is not what He would want. He came to share love and wanted us to do the same. I love Him and I kown He lives. Goodbye my short lived friends. Keep searching for the truth and the truth will make you free.


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Re: Article on Pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. #245075 06/29/06 02:46 AM
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thanks Ginlovin i like you name too. I don't think Bella was putting you down. i think she was pointing out that you are not from a whats the word I'm looking for Protestant? Are Mormons Protestant? Anyway that was going to be my next question, and since she answered it for me (bty thank you bella) i have another question that is kinda off topic. what are the differences between Mormons and any other denomination?


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Re: Article on Pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. #245076 06/29/06 02:52 AM
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Yes, I did not mean my post to be offensive. Just pointing out why we seem to disagree on this point is probably because we were taught differently.

Sometimes it is very hard to do these things online, because it's hard to get my tone of voice across and I am misunderstood. I try very hard to be even handed with everyone.

I apologize that I have hurt your feelings and I hope you will not feel you are being run off from this thread (especially not by me.) <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Article on Pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. #245077 06/29/06 05:26 AM
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Thank you for the private and forum invites back. That speaks well of both of you to be so kind. I really do appreciate you being so considerate of my feelings. I know that there are many who do not understand our religion. You are not the first to think we are not Christians and you won't be the last.
The basic difference in our Church and other religions is that we believe that God the Father and His Son Jesus Christ are two separate beings. That they both have a body of flesh and bones. The the third member of the God Head is the Holy Ghost and is a spirit which is with us to guide us and direct us as we ask Him to or as we are in tune with Him. We do not believe in infant baptism, but believe in baptism by immersion when a child reaches the age of accountabilty which is 8 years old. By then they are old enough to know to some degree if they want to be baptised or not. Up to then they are pretty much free of sin.
I guess the other thing that is very different in our religion is that we believe in a living Prophet. In the Bible there was always a Prophet to guide the people. Why would God love us any less now and leave us here without a Prophet to guide and direct us. Our Prophet is Gorden B. Hinckley who just turned 96 I think. I think he is the 14th Prophet but I might have miscounted.
Well, there is much more to it than that but those are the basic differences. The polygomy thing always comes up, but that hasn't been practiced for many, many years by our church. Break off groups still practice it but they are not part of us. That would take another post if anyone was interested to explain.
Hope I haven't bored you too much.
But please know that I do believe in Jesus the Christ, the son of God. I know Him as my Savior and Redeemer.
I pray to Him and I read about Him in the Bible and Book of Mormon (which is just another testiment of Him).
Thank you again.


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Ok i worked in a narzeine boarding school and the mail churches on the reservation was Catolic and The church of Latter Day Saints. Some of the kids use to ask me about teithing and made comments about if there parents did not teth the took away there holy underwear... Do you have any idea what they are talking about? (keep in mind these kids were Navajo and Hopi and between 5 and 10 yrs old)
and what is polygomy?
and the Book of Mormon is that the same books that the Catholics have?


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Re: Article on Pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. #245079 06/29/06 06:02 AM
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<img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> more then one wife wow i cant even imageine the inlaws wow sorry never saw the term before. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> ok skip that question and on to the Book Of Mormon!?


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Re: Article on Pre-Adamic fall of Lucifer. #245080 06/29/06 06:54 AM
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First request, please note the name of our church is;
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, not just the Church of the Latter Day Saints. If you don't want to write all of that just put LDS, but please remember it has Jesus Christ in the name.
Second question was about the underwear. We do wear an under garment that is very sacred, not secret, to us after we have gone to one of our Temples. They are very symbolic of covenants we have made with the Lord and we do not like to display them to the world because the are so special to us. They represent our relationship with the savior.
Peaople from many religions have worn different clothing that represent their devotion to God. Jews, Catholics, etc.

Next question was, "what is polygomy?" It is when a man is married to more than one woman. In the early part of our church they practiced it and I can only speculate as to why because I have read and heard of different reasons. Some say it was to restore all things that were practice in the bible during Abraham, Issac and Jacobs time on earth. Others say it was because there were so many women in the church without men and needed help on the trip west from Nauvoo Illinois to Salt Lake City. The last reason and the one I believe true is that the church needed to grow and there were definately more women than men. Therefore the men took more than one wife and the church grew very fast.
When the US government made it unlawful, the LDS church stopped practicing it.

The other question was about the Book of Mormaon. No the Catholics do not have it, unless it was given to one of them by an LDS person. We believe it was given to Joseph Smith in the early 1800's in the form of gold plates which had been hidden for many years. He was given the power and inspiration to translate what was written on them by the pre Columbian people of the American continant into the Book of Mormon. It is another testiment of Jesus Christ. I'm sure you have heard stories that the Native Americans tell of the great White God who visited them here on the American continant.
It is a beautiful book of Scriptures and goes hand in hand with the Bible. We read and study both.
Thank you for your questions and letters.
I love to share my love for the Savior and for our purposes here on earth.
It is so hard to tell so much in such a small post, but I hope you understand us a bit more.
I am happy to give refrences to web pages if you want to read more or answer more if I can.
Oh, by the way...Mormon's don't have horns.LOL.


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Ginlovin,

Glad to see you gave us (me) another chance!

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