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#240236 04/04/06 05:22 AM
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Believe me Alexandra Karma does exist while I respect your opinion I have to agree to disagree with you.Karma ALWAYS gets you in the end - I have seen it to much to think otherwise.

My belief is that Karma is "The Law of the universe"


I'm not saying that it doesn't exist. What I am saying is that your understanding of just what karma is, in the Buddhist sense, is incorrect.... Your belief is exactly that - a belief. But it isn't the Truth, as accepted by those who make a study of it.
You are absolutely correct in the fact that Bad Karma generates more bad karma... But it's what we do with it that is the clincher... We have it within our ability to focus and make changes.... we have the ability to choose and to transform....

Maybe this will help....

" In Buddhism, the 'Law of Karma' is used as an ethical principle, rather than a cosmological explanation for the world. Buddhists believe that the actions of beings will effect their own future, and because of this there are no private actions: all actions have a consequence.

It should be noted that the emphasis of karma in Buddhism is on cause, not on effect: Buddhists do not say "it was due to her karma that it happened to her" - indeed the karmic consequences of one's actions are dependant on sufficient conditions, and therefore it is a mistake to identify Buddhists as fatalists, and likewise it is a mistake to think that Buddhists believe that victims are getting their 'just deserts'.

Buddhism distinguishes samsaric happiness (birth in the high realms), from the final state of enlightenment: nirvana; so likewise there is samsaric good karma, which leads to the high realms (such as the human realm), and then there is liberating karma - which is supremely good.

Therefore the major dichotomy is samsaric karma and liberating karma, of which the former is typically divided into the three: good, neutral, and bad (in accordance with the degree of samsaric happiness or suffering that will mature as a consequence).

It is worth remembering that term karma is often used to refer only to samsaric karma, as indicated by the twelve nidanas of interdependence.

This differentiation between "good" karma and "liberating" karma has been used by some scholars to argue that the development of Tantra depended upon Buddhist ideas and philosophies. [citation needed]

Due to the inevitability of consequence, Karma entails the notion of Buddhist rebirth; death is no escape in Buddhism! However, karma is not the sole basis of rebirth. The rebirths of eighth stage (and above) Bodhisattvas in the Mahayana tradition refers to those liberated beings who consciously choose to be reborn in a future life in order to help others still trapped in Samsara."


(From the on-line encyclopedia, Wikipedia.)

The person who started this thread, has certainly inherited the Karma from previous actions - be they in this life or a previous one. Her skillful actions now, would be to act properly and to transform this Karma into something more positive.

If however, you are speaking from the premise of "what goes around comes around" all well and good. But that, strictly speaking, is not Karma.
I'm sorry to be so pedantic about this, but it is important to me, as a Buddhist, that the available information or knowledge is not either misconstrued, or misinterpreted. That's all...
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#240237 04/04/06 08:44 AM
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Believe me Alexandra Karma does exist while I respect your opinion I have to agree to disagree with you.Karma ALWAYS gets you in the end - I have seen it to much to think otherwise.

My belief is that Karma is "The Law of the universe"

Could I also therefore point out that if we feel anger, vindictiveness or condemnation for another person, and we desire that they get their come-uppance - we are also laying down future negative Karma for ourselves in the process. All actions - be they mental, verbal or physical - accumulate Karma....Desiring 'harm' for anyone, whatever the reason, is not skillful, or Right Intention.

With Karma, you don't get away with anything - and it all counts.
The secret is to not generate it in the first place....

#240238 04/04/06 05:08 PM
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Thankyou for that Alexandra.Everyone has different belief systems and yours is very interesting. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

#240239 04/04/06 08:06 PM
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If you do get him you will never be able to trust him. If he lied to his old wife he'll lie to his new wife. If he cheated on her, he'll cheat on you. Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive. Leave him. Don't ever go back. He doesn't know what love or loyalty is and neither do you. You both have some maturing to do before you should marry anyone.

#240240 04/04/06 10:34 PM
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Well, I am a woman in a relationship outside of my marriage. It started several years ago. My husband knows. We tried to work it out between us. As it is right now, he lives in one state with his ex and I live in another state and my boyfriend lives somewhere else as well. I'm still in touch with my husband (who is not happy with his ex) and I'm also in touch with my boyfriend. It's really a mixed up affair.

#240241 04/05/06 04:37 AM
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"If you do get him you will never be able to trust him. If he lied to his old wife he'll lie to his new wife. If he cheated on her, he'll cheat on you."

Surely you've got to give people a chance to change? You yourself have been divorced three times, and admitted you were a sinner, but I'm sure you've turned your back on your old ways? If you can do it, then why can't this guy?

#240242 04/05/06 08:26 AM
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Harmony, you couldn't have expressed it any better. Your exactly right!

#240243 04/20/06 11:16 PM
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If he cheated on her with you what makes you think he wouldn't cheat on you with someone else if he does leave her for you?

#240244 04/21/06 12:16 AM
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Having had experience with cheating boyfriends I have to agree--once a cheater always a cheater, that is until.. and I will probably be alone in this sentiment-- he finds his true love. I do think a previous cheater is capable of not cheating if he's really in love, usually cheating is a clue that the guy just isn't that into the relationship.

But it's not a good start to be the other woman, it's almost the same as being the rebound girl except he hasn't even bothered to remove the safety net.


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#240245 05/03/06 10:32 AM
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It has been a life of lies for you and your partner. Now you want the truth to come out. It will be surely very painful, but truth is always better than lie, no matter what. Please make the situation clear to his wife and leave your relationship to fate. Once you come clean, things will work out for you.

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