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Dave�First I have enough sins of my own to worry about, that I don�t take the time to judge others sins. However, If I allowed a child to come into this world and suffer and die of hunger, when I had food in my cupboard and could provide him comfort---then I would be guilty of his murder. I would consider a murder that came about with long term suffering a greater sin than allowing that child to die before he ever knew life. Just has I would consider torturing someone to death a greater sin than simply killing them. Death is always a part of every life, suffering and pain does not have to be. I may never be able to eliminate all the suffering and pain in this world, but I do have a duty to eliminate as much as I am able to. As to what I have done to make abortion less necessary, I have supported programs that provide sex education, counseling and am in favor of a national medical plan that would provide for affordable health care and birth control. Every unwanted pregnancy prevented is one less abortion that will take place.

TraceyKay,
First of all, you are assuming that abortion is necessary. Unless it is to save the life of the mother, it is elective and not necessary. Secondly, God creates life so who lives and dies is not up to us. It's up to God. It is mankind's arrogance that makes him think he should control a life he could not create. It is the absolute height of arrogance and self-righteousness to have the priviledge of breathing God's free air and then decide on God's behalf that someone else, someone innocent, does not deserve that same priviledge. I am not judging other's sins. God does that. I am making DISCERNMENTS between behaviors based on judgements God has already made. Abortion is judgement. It is judging a person that has yet to do anything that can be judged and is judging a future life not yet lived and condemning to death based on that arrogant and presumptuous judgement. If you think you can predict the future suffering of every aborted child, then give me next week's lottery numbers. After all, if you can see 10-20 years into the future then surely you can see into next week?

Dave�I find you statement interesting: �God creates life so who lives and dies is not up to us. It's up to God.� If you believe that only God may have a hand in life or death, then do you believe that the soldier who brings about death on the battlefield is guilty of murder? The executioner who delivers the Death penalty is guilty of murder? What about the fertility doctor who creates a life? Would all of these be usurping Gods role when they bring about life or death, or is possible that God uses man to bring about life and death. That man is the tool God uses to deliver Justice and Mercy?

I believe a soldier does what he is told. He is "Honoring his king" as the Bible says. The Bible says, " Thou shalt not murder." Killing in war is mostly defense, although a soldier would be guilty if he took an innocent life during warfare. The Bible also says," Obey the civil authorities, for they do not bear the sword for nothing." A fertility doctor does not create life. He manipulates the circumstances that make it favorable for life to grow. As the Bible says," you plant the seed, you water, but God gives the increase." Yes, God can use the "authorities" as the indirect authority of his will. We are not allowed, however, to violate his DIRECT authority. Even if we operate in faith in the indirect authority of God, we still have a greater responsibility to uphold His direct authority. That is the only time we may be rebellious. All rebelliousness to God's authority and will is sin. Abortion is murder because the unborn are innocent and have no choice in anything that happens to them. An executed criminal or soldier on the battlefield has some degree of freedom to exercise his free will. When you strip away all the excuses for abortion, you are left with two critical facts;
1. Abortion kills. What was once alive becomes dead. That's why they call it "terminating" a pregnancy.
2. It is a human being that is killed. It isn't a cat, a dog, or any other animal. It is human. Killing a human being that does not involve self defense is murder.

No, I don't automatically hate Republicans. I'm actually an independent. I vote for the best candidate, regardless of party.

Lately, the best candidate is more often a Democrats than a Republican, and, now, I am so repulsed by George W. Bush that it is certainly changing my view of Bush's supporters. I don't hate them - I pity them, and I am angry with them for so being so blindly, stupidly supportive of this arrogant, incompetent, war monger.

I'm not a John McCain or Colin Powell fan any more, although there are other Republicans I could support, possibly Lindsey Graham and a few others. I need to do more research.

I born and raised in a Republican family, but the Republican party of my past is very different from the nasty, corrupt, power-hungry and power-abusing party running our country down the tubes right now.

I cannot imagine my parents or grandparents approving of this incredibly, obscenely unbalanced budget. The debt limit was just increased to $8.965 TRILLION because the budget deficit this year is expected to be $432 billion!

Bill Clinton wasn't perfect, but he could balance the budget, couldn't he?

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Bush = Nixon without the competence
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Clinton balanced the budget by cutting defense spending. Remember his talking about the " peace dividend"? He cut defense spending during a time of peace. We are at war. A nation at war NORMALLY runs in the red. I don't like it either but it seems a reality for the situation.

Yes, a nation at war normally runs in the red, but then it doesn't give tax breaks to the people at the top of the income ladder at the same time and big tax breaks to Bush's friends in the oil industry.

Oil is over $60 a barrel, and oil companies get billions of dollars in tax "incentives" to find more oil!!!! Where is the logic in that?

Bogus economics! The Bushies don't think that the deficits matter. But, somebody, someday has to pay the bills, eventually, or the economy collapses.

"Conservative" USED to mean something (fiscally responsible, small government, etc.). Now it means take care of our rich "conservative" friends and ignore the needs of the poor, destroy the middle class.

George talks a lot about "my Father," but peel back the curtain and look at what's really going on. It's actually very UN-Christian! The words and the music don't match.

....and of course Bush is connected to the oil business and benefits personally...

Why should he care, he's got plenty in the bank for his retirement - let someone else clear up the mess when he's gone. I'm a christian, and a democrat, and am really uncomfortable with Bush and his corrupt cronies. Christians my butt, they're all out for themselves.

Absolutely right! The most corrupt administration we've ever had! And, the one that has done the most to put this country into risk!

Take care of all those cronies, rake in the tax dollars for your friends, but don't worry about port security, don't check the imported food supply, don't check what's in the cargo holds of those planes, don't protect those levees in New Orleans (where we've got a female Democrat as a governor and a black Democrat as a mayor who can be blamed - how convenient - a 2 fer!), don't worry about all those refugees (yes, in the USA, refugees!) on the Gulf Coast - STILL, etc.

They're good at spreading the wealth out among family and friends (Carlyle Group, Halliburton, etc.). The actual JOB of governing is hard work, apparently too hard.

All talk and no action - that's the Bush administration - and about as unChristian as you can get, when you look at what they actually DO vs. what they say.

How long are people going to be fooled by the sound bites and the President looking pious?

As someone very wise said recently: Bush = Nixon without the competence!

Unless you are in a communist country then the gov. needs to stay out of the free market when it comes to prices, including oil. The Bush's have been out of the business for years and federal laws prevent the president from profitting from his economic decisions. All his investments are in blind trusts. That's the law. We have no federally mandated price controls. The oil market controls that. Tax breaks can only go to the middle class or rich. The poor pay no taxes. In case you missed it, the rich are citizens too and have a right to keep most of their income just like you and I. I am not jealous of them and I don'y base my politics on jealousy.