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Jerzy, I would spit in their faces. Carl


Well, metaphorically, they were spit on in some way. Namely, some of them were removed from the organization/party. There is a new leader too.

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Jerzy, "And when the fuhrer says we are the master race, wE heil, we heil right in the fuhrer's face (USA WW2 song)." Carl


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Carl,

Victor Hugo had another view. He said "From the oyster to the eagle, from the swine to the tiger, all animals are to be found in men and each of them exists in some man, sometimes several at the time. Animals are nothing but the portrayal of our virtues and vices made manifest to our eyes, the visible reflections of our souls. God displays them to us to give us food for thought."

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Pinkola, animal instinct=Freud's Id. Carl


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Pinkola, IMO Jesus was A genetic mutation--at least 3 million years ahead when humans will be able tom withstand impalement to survive in outer space. I'm not questioning the divinity of Jesus. I'm expressing my opinion of the human form on which he appeared on Earth. Carl

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Ok Carl,but there is still the question of what is the core that twenty first-century man can find meaningful in terms of his outlook and his predicament.
The existentialists are concerned to know whether man's existence has any meaning at all.
The predicament of man lies in his alienation from the cosmos.
He is poised between two naughts,between birth,before which he remembers nothing,and death,beyond which he can see nothing,in the midst of a universe whose vastness apalls him.
What are his three score years and then when he looks at the piece of amber imbedding an insect trapped thirty million years ago?
Man is oppressed by the callousness of the universe,which will crush him in the end.

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The predicament of man lies in his alienation from the cosmos ...
Man is oppressed by the callousness of the universe,which will crush him in the end.


IMHO, The "Universe" is neither apart from us, nor will it crush us in the end. We are all part of the whole, originated from it and will return to it after death. I agree with Pierre Teilhard de Chardin: "We are not human beings having a spiritual experience. We are spiritual beings having a human experience."

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Pinkola & Nancy, well said! Thanks. Carl


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Dear Nancy, stay away from these people, they will drive you nuts with their dribble.

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Dear Charles,

Joseph Addison ,who wrote :

The spacious firmament on high
With all the blue ethereal sky
And spangled heavens,a shining frame ,
Their great Original proclaim.

Kant was moved by the starry heavens,and Voltaire was awed by them.He wrote:
''Last night,I was meditating,absorbed in the contemplation of nature.I was filled with wonder at its immensity,at the stars in their courses,at the mutual interaction of those countless orbs,one upon another,which people look upon unmoved.
And I marveled still more at the Mind which governs the whole mighty scheme.
A man must be blind,I said to myself,not to be dazzled by such a spectacle,a fool not to acknowledge its Author,a madman not to adore him.
What tribute of adoration can I pay him?Must it not be the same,wherever it is offered?
Whatever thinking being inhabits the Milky Way owes him the like homage.
The light shines for Sirius,even as it shines for us.''

This enlarging of the universe did not create a conflict between science and religion,but only added force to the old Aristotelian arguments for the existence of God as the First Cause and Prime Mover of the universe.

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