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#213919 10/02/05 09:47 AM
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Hey guys.............lily here!

Princeton University recently held a big time Sociologist Conference - in which six of the world's top ten Socialogists were present - and unanimously agreed:

That within the next 100 years - Europe as we know it - Anglo White stock - 97% will be gone - no more - the end of Europe - because of contraception and abortion - marriage and family stats going down down down.................the very things late Pope Paul was speaking out against - WOW...WHAT A THOUGHT!

Anyone out there hear anything about this...........came from a reputable source - Patrick Fagan - top Sociologist from Calif.

God Bless

lily

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#213920 10/02/05 09:04 PM
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Lily,

do they suggest that the white people would be only 3% of Europeans? It is hard to believe. 100 years is something like three generation exchanges, unless there would be a huge and uncontrolled influx of the foreigners especially from muslim countries.

#213921 10/02/05 10:19 PM
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Lily,

I have tried to find a reference for this conference/topic but have not been successful. Do you have a link to share?

thanks,
Nancy

#213922 10/02/05 10:34 PM
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Jaga - Nancy - I will check this out - Lily

I will try to find the link or Patick Fagans web site.

lily

#213923 10/03/05 05:53 AM
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America is supposed to be a majority brown country by year 2020. Perhaps this is the same trend - the result of birth control and choice of few children so we can lead a materialistically richer life.

Survival of the fittest...
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#213924 10/04/05 05:48 AM
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where on earth do you get this stuff from? you couldn't make it up....

maybe it's time for all you religious types to cast aside the delusional rantings of christian fundamentalist social engineers, get off your knees and join the rest of us in the real world....

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-1798944,00.html

Societies worse off 'when they have God on their side'
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent

The Times September 27, 2005

RELIGIOUS belief can cause damage to a society, contributing towards high murder rates, abortion, sexual promiscuity and suicide, according to research published today.

According to the study, belief in and worship of God are not only unnecessary for a healthy society but may actually contribute to social problems.

The study counters the view of believers that religion is necessary to provide the moral and ethical foundations of a healthy society.

It compares the social peformance of relatively secular countries, such as Britain, with the US, where the majority believes in a creator rather than the theory of evolution. Many conservative evangelicals in the US consider Darwinism to be a social evil, believing that it inspires atheism and amorality.

Many liberal Christians and believers of other faiths hold that religious belief is socially beneficial, believing that it helps to lower rates of violent crime, murder, suicide, sexual promiscuity and abortion. The benefits of religious belief to a society have been described as its �spiritual capital�. But the study claims that the devotion of many in the US may actually contribute to its ills.

The paper, published in the Journal of Religion and Society, a US academic journal, reports: �Many Americans agree that their churchgoing nation is an exceptional, God-blessed, shining city on the hill that stands as an impressive example for an increasingly sceptical world.

�In general, higher rates of belief in and worship of a creator correlate with higher rates of homicide, juvenile and early adult mortality, STD infection rates, teen pregnancy and abortion in the prosperous democracies.

�The United States is almost always the most dysfunctional of the developing democracies, sometimes spectacularly so.�

Gregory Paul, the author of the study and a social scientist, used data from the International Social Survey Programme, Gallup and other research bodies to reach his conclusions.

He compared social indicators such as murder rates, abortion, suicide and teenage pregnancy.

The study concluded that the US was the world�s only prosperous democracy where murder rates were still high, and that the least devout nations were the least dysfunctional. Mr Paul said that rates of gonorrhoea in adolescents in the US were up to 300 times higher than in less devout democratic countries. The US also suffered from �uniquely high� adolescent and adult syphilis infection rates, and adolescent abortion rates, the study suggested.

Mr Paul said: �The study shows that England, despite the social ills it has, is actually performing a good deal better than the USA in most indicators, even though it is now a much less religious nation than America.�

He said that the disparity was even greater when the US was compared with other countries, including France, Japan and the Scandinavian countries. These nations had been the most successful in reducing murder rates, early mortality, sexually transmitted diseases and abortion, he added.

Mr Paul delayed releasing the study until now because of Hurricane Katrina. He said that the evidence accumulated by a number of different studies suggested that religion might actually contribute to social ills. �I suspect that Europeans are increasingly repelled by the poor societal performance of the Christian states,� he added.

He said that most Western nations would become more religious only if the theory of evolution could be overturned and the existence of God scientifically proven. Likewise, the theory of evolution would not enjoy majority support in the US unless there was a marked decline in religious belief, Mr Paul said.

�The non-religious, proevolution democracies contradict the dictum that a society cannot enjoy good conditions unless most citizens ardently believe in a moral creator.

�The widely held fear that a Godless citizenry must experience societal disaster is therefore refuted.�


CO SIE POLEPSZY, TO SIE POPIEPRZY....
#213925 10/06/05 03:54 AM
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It could be possible. The birthrate in all of Europe is so low that it's actually more appropriate now to talk about the "death rate" instead. All European governments are having a hard time to pay the pensions, because not enough people are working to support the growing number of pensioners.

Meanwhile, as the native European population continues to shrink decade after decade, the non-European immigrant population continues to rise.

#213926 10/06/05 07:06 AM
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hmmmmm - the "non-white" population of the UK is about 5% of the population - and they consist mainly of people who have immigrated over the last 50 years or so and their descendents.

anything is possible of course - but somehow I don't think that us white folks are in danger of being "97% gone" anytime soon. and I'm not going to panic about it just because some xtian fundamentalist nutjob like Patrick Fagan tells me I should.

btw - there are so many Polish immigrants in the UK now that I'm surprised there's anyone left in Poland.... <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />


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#213927 10/06/05 02:08 PM
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AFAIK the birthrate in several EU countries is not that low at all. What's more the life span grows and the immigration rate is so high that it has to be artificially kept down. It seems that the first country that will cease to exist due to the extinction is... Russia where both the birth rate and life span are shrinking.

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I see Raytan is keeping up his norm while I have been away!
Leslie

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