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Biscuit, You're the best!

Thanks for the support!


"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."


-Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger," Roman stoic philosopher, writer, and politician (4-65).
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It makes perfect sense, Happy Guy! One can have morals without religion.


"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by rulers as useful."


-Lucius Annaeus Seneca "the Younger," Roman stoic philosopher, writer, and politician (4-65).
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The other big problem besides religion is the belief that the majority are right. In other words, most people do this or think this, so they're the ones that are right. You know what I mean: having children, getting married, going to your high school prom, losing your virginity in college, whatever [censored] most of society believes. These same people have a hard time believing that sometimes, the majority can actually be wrong. So wrong.

In the end, logic and rationale make one's life a happy one, even if only the minority believe so.

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I was raised all my childhood as a Luthran Christian, but no longer practice that. I wouldn't call myself agnostic or atheist though. I believe in a higher power and I believe that my husband and my family will be together for all eternity.
My beliefs all stem from my life experiences, what I've witnessed and gone through, and I think everyone's should be too. I don't think people should believe in something just because it's "the norm" if you will, thats wrong.
I guess what turned me off of the whole organized religion deal was the fact that more people have been slaughtered in the name of god, especially the christian religion. I beleive the church is within yourself, you shouldn't have to pay some guys salary to talk to the one you believe in, or fulfill your spiritual needs. I don't know, the sexism, the lying, the manipulation, the corruption. . .
it just didnt do it for me.

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I am neither but I am Pagan. My father's mother's family has been Pagan for hundreds of years. They came from Wales and practice a form of the Craft called Y Dynion Mwyn. More of my Pagan friends are childfree than are childed. We often get goofy questions like "you people are so earth-loving, you SHOULD reproduce and give back to the earth." They have no clue. That is not what it's about.

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I am a Catholic Witch. Strega to be exact. Only a contradiction in terms in the USA. In Italy, not every Catholic woman is strega, but every strega is Catholic. LOL
I think it is funny how American Protestants don't consider Catholics to be Christians---a little bit of a history lesson will prove the Church called it self 'catholic' (meaning universal) before it had protestants (people protesting).
Anyway, I know I am not atheist. And I know I am more committed to a deity than an agnostic. And I did the whole Americanized wiccan thing too. (I am not Americanized strega either.) basically it all comes down to one thing--
respect yourself.
whether you belive in god or goddess or not, you can't respect anyone or anything else if you don't respect yourself-- and if you are not the parenting kind, then forcing yourself to be is not respecting yourself. I believe a christian saint by the name of Paul said something to the effect that all things are lawful unless you THINK they aren't---then they are sin.
It is a 'sin' for some people to have children--and I am one of them. A 'sin' against myself.


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I'm an atheist and I'm not ashamed to admit it to people. Even then, it's not something people would know unless they ask me directly. I find it insulting when people claim atheism is a "religion" but it is still what I believe. I don't feel conversations like that are appropriate in the presence of polite company no matter what your religious beliefs. Still, I won't lie because I am not ashamed.

I grew up going to a baptist church and I haven't forgotten anything they spoke about during church. Thus, I find myself often having more knowledge of the bible than people who say they are christians. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Interesting stuff, in my opinion.

I won't get into the roots of morality because that would go too far off topic, but in my opinion, attributing morals to religion is to confuse correlation and causation. Many religions have ethical codes to follow as part of the dogma. But the basic morals against murder, stealing, and lying stem more from being social creatures and having to get along.

I am also CF and married, in case my presence here wasn't already an indicator <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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This is funny...I went to Catholic school from 2nd grade through senior year of high school and am also an atheist.
There really must be something to that. I guess I figured if there really was a god that watched over me, my parents would have sent me to public school : )

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I believe in the whole positive-negative cognitive stuff--

Christianity has caused more bloodshed than any agnostic or atheist group combined.

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