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Here's the article I'd written previously. I'll write another one to expand on the topic.

Research Shows Juice makes Kids Fat
It�s no surprise to low carbers, but a recent study in Pediatrics has proven that kids who drink fruit juice get tubby, because they get all of the fruit�s sugar and none of its fiber.

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art28513.asp

OK I have written a new article comparing the nutrient benefits of an actual apple (full of fiber, the skin is full of nutrients) vs the sugar-water you get in apple juice. It was amazing how many studies I could very easily find that had explored this issue. In fact, they found that 70% of kids with stomach issues became better when they made the kids stop drinking apple juice - because with its high sugar and low fiber, it was hurting their stomachs.

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art32279.asp

Taking in more calories than your body uses makes you fat! A person can get 100% of thier calories from juice and if it is less calories than the body uses (ex cals in=1500 cals out=1700) then they will not gain wieght. Of course it would not be a very balanced diet. As far as needing 55-65% of your calories from carbs (which should be healthy carbs not simple sugars) if you are so convinced that you are right than maybe you should contact every nutrition and kinesiology instructor at San Jose State University, who all have Ph.D's in this kind of stuff, as well as the FDA and tell them that everything they are teaching is wrong. Oh, you may also want to inform my Physiology teacher at Shasta College that he is wrong also. Lastly you must be completely retarded or have not paid attention to anything I wrote to suggest I am telling people to eat sugar. I can clearly read where I wrote to stay away from processed carbs (simple sugars). And I don't just nonchalantly throw bread into my cart just because it says "wheat". If you watched me shopping you would see me read the labels of EVERYTHING including my bread. I prefer the 8 or 12 grain personally but not all wheat bread is equal. As far as the apple juice goes I know it has a lot of sugar which is why I water it down but try making a smoothie from apples instead of apple juice, it doesn't work.

I have spend the last 3 years of my life studying nothing but health from people with Ph.D's in the field. Obviously I am doing something right when it comes to my own health. Every time I get some kind of health test or check up the doctors, nurses, and my professors are amazed at my very low BP and RHR as well as my high BMR and VO2 max. I am healthier than most athletes and I am not even an athlete.

When babies are born hospitals really should issue an owners manual. It sickens me to see how ignorant people are when it comes to thier own bodies and health. Especially since it is so vital, you have nothing if you don't have your health.
By the way Charise great job with your weight lose. Keep up the good work. Remember to always eat healthy and to always keep moving. Good health is a lifestyle not a quick fix.

Just to be clear, whole wheat does NOT actually have extra nutrition, because they re-nutrify white bread. What it has is much higher fiber, lower calories. And this speaks back to a point you'd made previously about "only calories matter". Actually what matters is the TYPE of calories you eat and the amount of fiber you eat with it, to mitigate the intake of the calories. If you have 800g of calories in apple juice for example, it goes right into you immediately (no fiber) and as your body can't handle it all at once, it goes right into fat cells. If on the other hand you have 800g of calories in a high-fiber diet (which low carb is all about), then the calories are absorbed VERY slowly, a lot are peed out, and your body can metabolize them as they go. That is the entire scientific debate about calories and why people no longer look at calories as the end-all value. That's why the glycemic index and glycemic load of foods are so critical, and why low carb diets use those values.

I've put up an article on white / wheat / whole grain wheat here -

http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art32280.asp

And really, the fact that we are discussing "various shades of wheat" is a shame, because rye bread is far more nutrient-rich than any type of wheat. So I highly recommend getting either dark rye breads or at least a multi-grain bread, if you're going to have bread at all! You want to get the benefits of fiber - not the white spongy nothingness of white wheat bread.

We have a one-warning rule here. If you cannot be civil in your discussion, you will be banned. That is completely insulting for you to have said, especially considering that we have special needs forums here.

Great articles Lisa!

My son lived off of fruit juices all through his toddler years and now at age six he's had to get teeth surgically removed and metal over the mollers that could be saved <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

and the dentist sayed... "its because of all that fruit juice and the fruit snacks"

Now I have a daycare in my home and I do have some apple and orange juice on hand for the children but that is for them to have with breakfast on occaission but not often- usually they get milk and water- but always plenty of fruit as they do love it (especially the fruit yogurts).

as for the breads... I suppose there are tons of things out there that people say you ~need~ in your diet, but I doubt any of us follow all of those 100%. I use to eat nothing but breads and pastas and my favorite vegie was corn.. vegies that were actually good for you was almost nonexistant in my diet...

now for the first time in my life Im actually eating them along with so many other healthy foods- i actually have energy and don't get that bloated yucky feeling where I just want to lie down for a few hours... and I hear people telling me that it's not good for me..lmaooo I find it extremely hard to believe that what I was doing prior to this was actually better for me. But I never saw anyone showing thier concern and telling me to be careful then...

Strange..that....

I'm not a doctor...don't have a PHD and am not 'educated' in the perfect diet plan that is a one size fits all for everyone...

But i do know my own body..and I know what actually puts weight on me... some people can eat chocolate and ice cream until the cows come home and never gain an ounce... I on the other hand cant.. so these percentages to me are worthless... I choose this way because my body seems to react in a possitive way to it.. we are as unique as our DNA and what works for me may not be perfect for someone else... but I'll not knock someone elses diet choice either..as long as its working for them and they are feeling better because of it..

and certainly don't look at this as a quick fix... this is the way I want to eat all the time from here on out. *smiles*

Charise - I'm not sure if you're kidding or not??? Surgically removed - why?? That is *really* scary!

Yes fruit is just so incredibly important for kids - and to think of all the kids where the ONLY fruit or veggie they eat is the potato (in the shape of a french fry)!!

Here are two findings on a recent ADA study:

One-third of 19- to 24-month-old toddlers are not eating a single fruit in a day, and one-fifth are not eating any vegetables.

French fries are the most commonly consumed vegetable for toddlers by 15 months of age.

So even those kids who ARE eating some sort of fruit or vegetable are mostly eating french fries. And french fries are not only low in nutrients, they are covered with salt and cooked in nasty fats. It is really, really scary.

You are exactly right, lots of americans eat corn if they eat anything. While corn is certainly better than say candy, when you look at all the really healthy veggies out there, corn is not exactly at the top of the list! And while bread CAN be high in fiber, white bread is the #1 seller and it is about as bad as you can get in bread. So when Americans get a food, they get the worst possible version of the food they can. And we all wonder why we're getting heavy <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

My grandparents didn't grow up eating white bread and drinking soda. They grew up with heavy, fiber-rich bread, with fresh veggies out of their back yard (NOT corn), with salads and grilled foods. It's only our modern generation that feels our junk-food diet is a normal one and resists any thought of changing. Our kids grow up thinking this is "normal". Just look at our schools - they have soda machines and candy machines in them!

cavities that were so far down that it couldn't be salvaged <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

I felt like the worst mother in the world... and we did brush teeth too- Im sure he wasn't getting back there where he needed to; as good as he needed to either...but the primary source of the rotten/cavity infested teeth was the fruit juice and fruit snacks. *sighs*

My daughter has told me the horror stories of her cafeteria at the middle school... a line for dominos pizza... a line for nachos and cheese.. soda machine for drinks and candy machine for desert...*yikes*

who figures the dietary value for that school I wonder??

Kat - a key point I think you missed is that the FDA defines carbohydrates as anything that is "not fat, protein, ash, or moisture". That has NOTHING to do with net carbs. As you can imagine, the FDA definition includes a ton of items from sugar alcohols to fiber to some things too gross to mention. So really what the FDA does is define what the OTHER things in your diet should be and then end up with carbs by default.

This has been contested by many, many nutritionists around the world. Again, you need to take a long-term view of what a given school teaches in a given year instead of defending a given year's teachings as the exact truth. Nutritionists used to think "all fats are bad" and are only now coming to accept that there are good fats and bad fats. Doctors used to think "all cholesterol is bad" and are now coming to realize that there are critical differences in types of cholesterol. Nutritionists are finally coming to realize that carbs are not "those things that are not fat/ash/etc". There are a huge difference between different types of carbs. That is what low carbing is all about - to avoid all the bad carbs, and only eat the good carbs. And since we count NET carbs - i.e. the actual functional part of the carbs - what we count is far different than what someone who uses the FDA exclusion method is going to count as their carb intake.

The FDA has also been under fire for responding to lobbyists as far as what to include on their charts. The grain lobby is HUGE and very powerful. You always need to take any government mandate with a grain of salt, because government is manipulated by lobbyists. It would for example be unwise to accept that any clean air act is based 100% on care for humans and not influenced by factory lobbying.

That all being said, I just went all over the FDA nutrition website area and can't find *anywhere* that they list the figures you quoted. Please point me to the page that has those figures.