BellaOnline Forums Travel and Culture Polish Culture Re: Polish freedom of speech

Eric,

Urban is of the Jewish origin, his father changed the last name from original "Urbach" - which means in German "pra-brook" or "old-brook".

As for the gays. Can you imagine that EU is insisting that gays will be mentioned as victims of Auschwitz but Soviet prisoners of war not! They were over 10,000 dead and they were treated really badly - you can read about it in my article:
http://www.bellaonline.com/articles/art27827.asp

Here is a story:

Polish Eu delegates insisted that the EU resolution about Auchwitz will be changed and they would add SOviets to the list of the victims of Auschwitz as "Jewish, Roma, homosexuals, Poles and people of other ethnicity" . Homosexuals are mentioned before Poles (over 80 thousands of Poles died) as like... they were really persecuted in Auchwitz - probably not more than a couple of hundreds of them died there.


***Sonik przyjął go bez wielkiego entuzjazmu. "Gazecie" powiedział, że chce jeszcze tylko, by do listy wymienianych w rezolucji ofiar Auschwitz, czyli "Żyd�w, Rom�w, homoseksualist�w, Polak�w i ludzi innych narodowości", dopisać jako odrębną kategorię Rosjan, kt�rych ponad 10 tys. zginęło tam podczas wojny***

Eric,

do you know, that when the pope was in Auschwitz he prayed especially for three groups of people - Jews, Poles and Soviets - both - victims of the camp and the soldiers liberating it.

I read the aricle and I can see why devout Catholics would find it offensive - but if you are a devout Catholic, why would you want to read "Nie"?

personally I don't think there was anything in the article that should be illegal. the cartoon is rather cute and that the last paragraph is actually quite sympathetic to the Pope in a roundabout way. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

did you see the reader comments? I'm sure you agree with the first one!

but think about it - urban probably loved the uproar the article caused and the publicity he received for it. he's that type of guy.

why not just ignore him?

Jaga I'm sure there's plenty of people writing bad things about gays and good things about the church.

but this has absolutely nothing to do with the issue of whether it was wrong to prosecute Urban for what he wrote.

the point is that it should not be illegal to make fun of the pope (or gays or anybody else).

no exceptions.

Raytan,

but still the issue remains - the church is treated worse in EU than the gays.

Could you do some homework for me?

Please, check how many gays died in Auchwitz because they were gays? Are there more gays than Poles died in Auchwitz therefore they had to be mentioned first? Or more than SOviets POW? Are there more gays than the priests who died in AUchwitz?

The power of stereotype is terrible. I had a discussion with ladies from Bella and some were saying that killing gay was worse than killing somebody because this person belonged to Polish intelligentsia. WHy? Could you explain?

In France, Bridget Bardot was prosecuted for remarks she made. Critisism of the EU, its members or representatives is illegal in any countries that belong to the EU. In Germany try acquiring any memorabilia from the Nazi era and you might find yourself in deep trouble. Europe is full of Liberals that have tried to ban any "politicaly Incorrect" "speech". Scoundrals and scallywags in Europe have tried to bury laws and regulations against free speech in all those papers that pertain to the EU. The reasoning that the EU bigwigs use is that the common person is "too lazy and stupid to read and understand what we have written" <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

but still the issue remains - the church is treated worse in EU than the gays.

Jaga - (a) this is a meaningless statement, (b) it has nothing to do with whether Urban should have been prosecuted.


Please, check how many gays died in Auchwitz because they were gays? Are there more gays than Poles died in Auchwitz therefore they had to be mentioned first? Or more than SOviets POW?

again - I don't see how this is relevant.

you want the people you think are more important to be mentioned first - other people have different opinions.

personally I believe that Poles should definitely be mentioned prominently because I think I'm right in saying that they were the second largest victim group at Auschwitz.

but no group of victims are more important than the others. they should all be mentioned and all be remembered.

do you agree?

or do you believe (like the Pope) that the gay victims should be forgotten? why did he pray for other victims and not them?

and I wonder if any of the Jews, Poles and Soviets he prayed for were gay?

I talked with my dad about Urban, he said that he's just like a sleezy lawyer, but he gave me an example. If you saw a black and white pen, Urban would do everything possible to convince you the pen was blue!

Jaga - why is america so obsessed with gays? I just don't get it.

some people are gay.

wow.

get over it.... :rolleyes:

IMO Urban's motivation is money. Considering the Pope's contribution, publically insulting him is abuse of freedom of speech.