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Carl. Yesterdays science fiction is todays science fact; Yesterdays quacks and daydreamers are todays prophets and scientists. I have visited some of those Tesla sites that are listed. Many of the arguements for and against Tesla are thought provoking. I think everyone should remember that Michelangelo and Jules Verne were considered nothing but dreamers in their day yet we see many of their ideas in use today. Who could envision a preventor for Polio before it was realized. Who could envision that semiconductors would ever replace tubes, who could envision that a human could travel faster than 25mph without dying.
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Bob, well said! Who could predict that a human would walk on the moon. Carl

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Yes, several terrorist plots were probably ended by the tsunami, along with 150,000 normal human plots for happy idealistic plots to lead normal human family lives.

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Kai, that imaginary story is intended just to stimulate discussion. Carl

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/02/weekinreview/02revk.html?pagewanted=print&position=

NY TIMES

January 2, 2005
The Future of Calamity
By ANDREW C. REVKIN

IN seven hours last week, great ocean waves scoured shores from Thailand to
Somalia, exacting a terrible price in wealth and human lives. But
unimaginable as it may seem, future catastrophes may be far grimmer. Many
more such disasters - from earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, to floods,
mudslides and droughts - are likely to devastate countries already hard
hit by poverty and political turmoil.
The world has already seen a sharp increase in such "natural" disasters -
from about 100 per year in the early 1960's to as many as 500 per year by
the early 2000's, said Daniel Sarewitz, a professor of science and society
at Arizona State University. But it is not that earthquakes and tsunamis
and other such calamities have become stronger or more frequent. What has
changed is where people live and how they live there, say many experts who
study the physics of such events or the human responses to their
aftermath.
As new technology allows, or as poverty demands, rich and poor alike have
pushed into soggy floodplains or drought-ridden deserts, built on
impossibly steep slopes, and created vast, fragile cities along fault
lines that tremble with alarming frequency.
In that sense, catastrophes are as much the result of human choices as
they are of geology or hydrology. Dr. Kerry Sieh, a veteran seismologist
at the California Institute of Technology, has spent years studying some
of the world's wealthiest and poorest earthquake-prone territory - not
only the sickle-shaped scar of faults off Sumatra's west coast that caused
last week's tsunami, but also California's San Andreas fault, which could,
with a sudden twitch, submerge the inhabitants of some of the most
valuable land on Earth.
The difference between the rich and poor countries, Dr. Sieh said, was
that the rich ones had improved their building techniques and their
political systems to deal with inevitable disasters.
In the Pacific Northwest, where offshore faults could generate a tsunami
as large as last week's ocean-spanning waves, officials have created
"inundation maps" to know more precisely what would happen in a flood and
prepare accordingly. And in response to the threat of earthquakes,
buildings on the West Coast now are designed to sway over shifting
foundations, and new highway overpasses are no longer stacked like the
jaws of a huge horizontal vise.
Istanbul, Tehran, New Delhi and other increasingly dense and shabbily
constructed cities, on the other hand, are rubble in waiting. When an
earthquake leveled the ancient Iranian city of Bam in 2003, for instance,
more than 26,000 people were essentially crushed by their own homes.
Several earthquake experts refer to the "seismic gap" as a way of
describing this difference between the ability of rich cities and poor
ones to withstand earthquake damage.
"Tehran is a city the size of Los Angeles, with thrust faults like Los
Angeles," Dr. Sieh said. "In Los Angeles the next 7.5 quake might kill
50,000 people. In Tehran, that would kill more than a million people."
Nonetheless, elected officials and disaster agencies, both public and
private, remain focused on responding to catastrophes instead of trying to
make societies more resilient in the first place, said Dr. Brian E.
Tucker, a geophysicist and the head of GeoHazards International, a private
research group trying to reduce poor countries' vulnerability to
earthquakes. For instance, while the United Nations in 1989 declared the
1990's the "International Decade for Natural Disaster Reduction," and
created a secretariat to run it, it set no concrete goals or timetable for
accomplishing them, Dr. Tucker said.
He described a recent study by Tearfund, a Christian relief agency, that
found that less than 10 percent of the money spent on disaster relief by
government agencies and institutions like the World Bank goes to
preventive measures. According to the study, Mozambique, anticipating
major flooding in 2002, asked for $2.7 million to make basic emergency
preparations. It received only half that amount from international donor
organizations. After the flood, those same organizations ended up
committing $550 million in emergency assistance, rehabilitation and
reconstruction financing.
Dr. Sieh said he was not confident that wealthy countries would ever
recognize the value of prevention. Even as they grow more scientifically
prescient, people have a blind spot for certain inevitable disasters,
either because they play out over long time frames, like global warming,
or because they are rare, like tsunamis.
"I really am wondering if, from an evolutionary biological perspective,
we're really equipped to deal with things that only recur once every
several lifetimes or longer," Dr. Sieh said.
Jeffrey Sachs, director of Columbia University's Earth Institute, was more
optimistic, if only slightly so. He noted how Bangladesh had seen its
mortality rates from flooding drop sharply since the 1970's, mainly by
adopting simple means of getting people to higher ground, some as basic as
installing high platforms for people to climb above the floodwaters.
But he also noted another class of cataclysms that which receive no
blanket news coverage: malaria, AIDS, crop failures - even global warming.
"We're at a period in Earth's history where we're living on an edge where
things can go terribly wrong if we're not attentive," Dr. Sachs said. "But
we also have magnificent knowledge and technologies that could make the
outcomes far better than they are now."
The tsunami assault, he said, could be a call to action. But he and Dr.
Sieh agreed that it could also end up just another in a series of distant
disasters, a disturbing distraction for the world's more fortunate
nations.
"There is a technological and scientific basis for proactive strategies,"
Dr. Sachs said. "But they are not being applied, and there is no reason
for that. It's not even a question of money. It's much cheaper to
anticipate rather than respond." That is true, he said, whether the goal
is restoring fertility to African soil or building a system to warn of
tsunamis.

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http://www.nytimes.com/2005/01/02/weekinreview/02revk.html?pagewanted=print&position=

NY TIMES

January 2, 2005
The Future of Calamity
By ANDREW C. REVKIN

IN seven hours last week, great ocean waves scoured shores from Thailand to
Somalia, exacting a terrible price in wealth and human lives. But
unimaginable as it may seem, future catastrophes may be far grimmer. Many
more such disasters - from earthquakes and volcanic eruptions, to floods,
mudslides and droughts - are likely to devastate countries already hard
hit by poverty and political turmoil.
The world has already seen a sharp increase in such "natural" disasters -
from about 100 per year in the early 1960's to as many as 500 per year by
the early 2000's, said Daniel Sarewitz, a professor of science and society
at Arizona State University. But it is not that earthquakes and tsunamis
and other such calamities have become stronger or more frequent. What has
changed is where people live and how they live there, say many experts who
study the physics of such events or the human responses to their
aftermath.
As new technology allows, or as poverty demands, rich and poor alike have
pushed into soggy floodplains or drought-ridden deserts, built on
impossibly steep slopes, and created vast, fragile cities along fault
lines that tremble with alarming frequency.
In that sense, catastrophes are as much the result of human choices as
they are of geology or hydrology. Dr. Kerry Sieh, a veteran seismologist
at the California Institute of Technology, has spent years studying some
of the world's wealthiest and poorest earthquake-prone territory - not
only the sickle-shaped scar of faults off Sumatra's west coast that caused
last week's tsunami, but also California's San Andreas fault, which could,
with a sudden twitch, submerge the inhabitants of some of the most
valuable land on Earth.
The difference between the rich and poor countries, Dr. Sieh said, was
that the rich ones had improved their building techniques and their
political systems to deal with inevitable disasters.
In the Pacific Northwest, where offshore faults could generate a tsunami
as large as last week's ocean-spanning waves, officials have created
"inundation maps" to know more precisely what would happen in a flood and
prepare accordingly. And in response to the threat of earthquakes,
buildings on the West Coast now are designed to sway over shifting
foundations, and new highway overpasses are no longer stacked like the
jaws of a huge horizontal vise.
Istanbul, Tehran, New Delhi and other increasingly dense and shabbily
constructed cities, on the other hand, are rubble in waiting. When an
earthquake leveled the ancient Iranian city of Bam in 2003, for instance,
more than 26,000 people were essentially crushed by their own homes.
Several earthquake experts refer to the "seismic gap" as a way of
describing this difference between the ability of rich cities and poor
ones to withstand earthquake damage.
"Tehran is a city the size of Los Angeles, with thrust faults like Los
Angeles," Dr. Sieh said. "In Los Angeles the next 7.5 quake might kill
50,000 people. In Tehran, that would kill more than a million people."
Nonetheless, elected officials and disaster agencies, both public and
private, remain focused on responding to catastrophes instead of trying to
make societies more resilient in the first place, said Dr. Brian E.
Tucker, a geophysicist and the head of GeoHazards International, a private
research group trying to reduce poor countries' vulnerability to
earthquakes. For instance, while the United Nations in 1989 declared the
1990's the "International Decade for Natural Disaster Reduction," and
created a secretariat to run it, it set no concrete goals or timetable for
accomplishing them, Dr. Tucker said.
He described a recent study by Tearfund, a Christian relief agency, that
found that less than 10 percent of the money spent on disaster relief by
government agencies and institutions like the World Bank goes to
preventive measures. According to the study, Mozambique, anticipating
major flooding in 2002, asked for $2.7 million to make basic emergency
preparations. It received only half that amount from international donor
organizations. After the flood, those same organizations ended up
committing $550 million in emergency assistance, rehabilitation and
reconstruction financing.
Dr. Sieh said he was not confident that wealthy countries would ever
recognize the value of prevention. Even as they grow more scientifically
prescient, people have a blind spot for certain inevitable disasters,
either because they play out over long time frames, like global warming,
or because they are rare, like tsunamis.
"I really am wondering if, from an evolutionary biological perspective,
we're really equipped to deal with things that only recur once every
several lifetimes or longer," Dr. Sieh said.
Jeffrey Sachs, director of Columbia University's Earth Institute, was more
optimistic, if only slightly so. He noted how Bangladesh had seen its
mortality rates from flooding drop sharply since the 1970's, mainly by
adopting simple means of getting people to higher ground, some as basic as
installing high platforms for people to climb above the floodwaters.
But he also noted another class of cataclysms that which receive no
blanket news coverage: malaria, AIDS, crop failures - even global warming.
"We're at a period in Earth's history where we're living on an edge where
things can go terribly wrong if we're not attentive," Dr. Sachs said. "But
we also have magnificent knowledge and technologies that could make the
outcomes far better than they are now."
The tsunami assault, he said, could be a call to action. But he and Dr.
Sieh agreed that it could also end up just another in a series of distant
disasters, a disturbing distraction for the world's more fortunate
nations.
"There is a technological and scientific basis for proactive strategies,"
Dr. Sachs said. "But they are not being applied, and there is no reason
for that. It's not even a question of money. It's much cheaper to
anticipate rather than respond." That is true, he said, whether the goal
is restoring fertility to African soil or building a system to warn of
tsunamis.

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NY TIMES


January 2, 2005
POSTINGS FROM THE EDGE
A Catastrophe Strikes, and the Cyberworld Responds
By PETER EDIDIN
AFTER an earthquake in the Indian Ocean sent tsunamis smashing into coastal
Asia and East Africa, much of the initial information about what had
happened came from the World Wide Web, especially from the personal
journals called weblogs, or blogs. Here are excerpts from Web postings
about the catastrophe.
From: www.livejournal.com/users/insomnia
Home was hit by Tidal wave . . . practically lost everything....family is
fine...thank god... *lost of words to rant* to all out there... appreciate
what you have...even the smallest things and event that u consider
irrelevant.. cause after this mishap...well..view's on life has change
alot for me.. * sigh* back to cleaning up and getting home back on its
feet.
Ronnietan, near Penang, Malaysia
I feel... odd. Kind of detached. I know that terrible things are happening
only about a 20 minute drive away from my comfy home, and yet it doesn't
feel like anything but numbers. First the earthquake in Sumatra was 8.1 on
the Richter scale. Then it was 8.5, and now it's confirmed to be 8.9.
Right. I can figure out the amount of energy in Joules the quake took,
using equations and logarithms, but I can't begin to wrap my mind around
the consequences. Thousands of people are dead, and more are injured or
lost at sea, but I can't feel anything.
EllieElephant, in Phuket, Thailand
From the BBC Web site (www.news.bbc.co.uk), which set up missing persons
bulletin boards for every region struck by the tsunamis. The postings
below concern Sri Lanka:
We are very worried about Dilki, who is 7, her mum, dad, older brother and
her sister. We are also concerned about Yasika, her husband Ranga, and
their new baby son. They live on Narigama beach in Hikkaduwa. Any news
would be much appreciated.
Sarah Adams, Hastings, U.K.
I am looking for signs of life from a family (Nimal and Kumudu Lanka) in
Unwatuna. They own the small Sun Beach Restaurant, which is close to the
diving school at the very end of the bay near the temple. Thank you for
any news.
Zoe Schmitt, Droyig, Germany
I have many relatives in Jaffna, northern coastal city of Sri Lanka.
Unable to reach them by any mode of communication. Please could someone
inform us about the situation there.
Bahee, Now in U.K. (Srilankan)
From a curiously dyspeptic blog called Wayward Mutterings
(waywardmutterings.blogspot.com):
Having spent the last half an hour trotting merrily down the coast of
Bambalapitiya (west coast) end to end, making small talk with the
beachfront riffraff, the worst I saw was near the Bambalapitiya railway
station where the waves started hitting the rail tracks. The situation is
still difficult to gauge as the water levels keep going down only to
increase again. I shall try to keep you posted on any new updates. Suffice
to say that since I am living dangerously near the coast I have already
checked to make sure my dining table can be turned over to construct a
makeshift floating device at the shortest notice.
I wonder how many of my books, CD's and DVD's can fit on it.
From Morquendi, a television producer who lives in Sri Lanka
(desimedia*****.blogspot.com):
Seen things today I never thought I'd see. Seen things I don't ever want
to see. How do you ask a question from a father who saw his 4-year-old
child being dragged off into the sea and be sensitive about it?
2 friends dead. They were on a romantic beach holiday. I like to believe
they died holding each other's hands. 2 more missing. Presumed dead. Find
a vehicle in about an hour and head off down South to look for them, or
identify their bodies.
From the science-fiction writer Arthur C. Clarke, who lives in Sri Lanka
(www.clarkefoundation.org):
For hundreds of thousands of Sri Lankans and an unknown number of foreign
tourists, the day after Christmas turned out to be a living nightmare
reminiscent of The Day After Tomorrow.
Curiously enough, in my first book on Sri Lanka, I had written about
another tidal wave reaching the Galle harbour (see Chapter 8 in "The Reefs
of Taprobane," 1957). That happened in August 1883, following the eruption
of Krakatoa in roughly the same part of the Indian Ocean.
From Nanda Kishore in Chennai, India, posted on www.sumankumar.com:
Men and women, old and young, all were running for lives. It was a
horrible sight to see. The relief workers could not attend to all the dead
and all the alive. The dead were dropped and the half-alive were carried
to safety. Old women had to be carried in chairs or transported by
rickshaws. Many could not carry anything from home, because they had to
run for their lives. And many couldn't run for their lives, because they
were already dead. Helicopters were hovering around to try and salvage the
alive (if any). It was a sad scene.
There were people who had just come to see if it was true. There were
people laughing as if it was a Jim Carrey movie. There were people crying
because it was someone close to them who was missing. Reports now say that
around 5,000 fishermen have been reported missing.

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Carl, I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of terrorists don't even know what Tesla technology is.

Unless, of course, they do, and someone has used it to give me the flu...

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Eric, good point! Be well. Carl

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OK, getting down to Earth...

It would be foolish to try to construct a Tesla
earthquake machine large enough to do the job when explosives would do it
faster and cheaper. According to Tesla, you could raise and drop a weight
every hour and 49 minutes and do the job but it would take a while. You
could do this for awhile instead of spending months and who knows how much
money trying to construct a large earthquake machine. I mean REALLY large.
Imagine a machine which was so large that it's period of vibration was an
hour and 49 minutes. A large earthquake machine would be impractical when
you would do better raising and dropping a large weight with plenty of time
in between to hoist it up for the next blow. You could use explosives to
raise and lower a large piston but that would be stupid too when you
already had the explosives to do the job. It might be a good tactic to
detonate the explosives under the ocean because water is incompressible and
the weight of the water would increase the action on the tecktonic plates
beneath the ocean floor. The water would carry the concussive force to a
large distance. (This fact was made apparent to anyone who has dropped a
lit cherry bomb down a toilet and flushed it!)

About the only technology which would work in an area such as that where
the earthquake occurred---in the middle of an ocean---would be the
explosive method unless you had a small island out there where no one would
know what was going on.

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