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When I visited my family back in Michigan I remember that I had a taste of Polish Cheese. IMHO the cheese was very good and I wish I could get more of it. What are the names of Polish Cheese? This past Christmas Season I did order some Spanish cheese and pigged out on it. We had the Manchego and a full wheel (3Kgs) of Tronchon from the mountains of Teruel. How about olives? Are olives eaten to any extent in Poland? I also had some olives from Spain (Canned) and they were good. It is surprising that Americans can take such a wonderful food as olives and turn it to trash. I only wish the American canners here would go to Europe and take a few lessons in olive preperation.
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How did it look like? I know of one Polish cheese called oscypek, it's a smoked cheese made from lamb milk.
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Bob,
I am not sure whether you talk about the "common" cheese or maybe oscypek. But oscypek is a different type of cheese (Ajarmoniuk, thanks for helping) The truth is that American cheeses are not really that good as Polish cheeses are. Even these "common" ones. I just thought about it yesterday. I do not remember all names but "ementalski", "Gouda" are the famous ones.
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Originally posted by ajarmoniuk: [qb] How did it look like? I know of one Polish cheese called oscypek, it's a smoked cheese made from lamb milk. [/qb] Hi Ajarmoniuk, do you know that everybody from Poland complains here... bread, cheese, sausages are here not that good as in Poland... the same with vegetables which look perfect but do not have any taste <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
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Jaga and Ajarmoniuk, thank you very much for the information. The cheese I had in Hamtramck was not smokey and it was almost white in color. You are right, the food here does not taste as good as that found in Poland or Europe. The food in Europe is either fresh that day or if it is packaged it does not contain a chemical factory. For example, my wife WILL NOT buy any fish that is sold in a supermarket. If she does buy fish it is from a Philippiano seller who caters to the restraunts in this area. In Spain, the seafood is sold fresh, in the morning if there is any left by the evening it is thrown out. One thing I like about Europe is almost all food is sold fresh and has more taste to it. Even the eggs are better and most dairy products have a glorious taste to them. Here in America I think we have gone overboard with chemical additives. As a boy, I remember being able to get a hamburger that tasted good (half ground beef and half ground pork with chopped onions is the way I make them). Ah for the good ole days when food tasted like food. By the way, a custom in the South from the old days, was to offer an honored guest some pineapple. Today the pineapple is a sign of welcome.
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Originally posted by Bob S.: [qb] I like about Europe is almost all food is sold fresh and has more taste to it. Even the eggs are better and most dairy products have a glorious taste to them. [/qb] Yes, this was exactly my point! Although I do not mind American eggs. They are also much cheaper than Polish. I also do not mind American chicken, they are almost prepared to put them in the oven and they are cheap but bread... I prefer to pay more and have something I like rather than this "gummi"-type American bread.
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We buy delicious cheeses imported from many nations--France, Italy, Poland, etc.-- in a gourmet store in NJ. Carl
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Lucky you Carl, anything imported from North of DC is considered Gourmand here.
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Frankly...
I have spend a year on the French-Swiss border and so I had the opportunity to try out the french food. It's so good and IMO _way_ better than the Polish. Especially the cheese which was just delicious. And much of them aren't available in Poland because they're too expensive and it wouldn't pay off to import them. Well, there are some kinds of camembert or brie made in Poland buy they're far worse and their quality is very unstable... For instance, one day they're almost liquid, then the other they're dry and hard.
The most propagated kind of cheese in Poland is called "ser zolty" (yellow cheese), and it's a common name for the Polish versions of Emmental, Gruy�re, etc. But they're different and without any smell at all. (Well, you can read about this quality thing in many Polish forums; it's not just my opinion.) Maybe the cheese in the States is made in some different way?? But I'm sure if you bought some expensive kind, it should be better?
And, the cheese that is missed in the west is called TWAR�G (or TWAROZEK or SER BIALY (white cheese)). It's literally a white cheese (fromage blanc, i don't know how it would be in English) but with large "grains". Sometimes it could be reffered as "cottage cheese" but it's somehow different. I don't know why it's difficult to obtain it in the West, but it is... ;-)
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And, I would agree here that most food in Poland is very cheap compared to the western prices. However, apart from the summer, the only Polish vegetables one can find in stores are potatoes, carrots and probably green salad. Most of the other things are poor quality (low price) imported stuff...
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You learn something new every day. I didn't know that there were Polish cheeses. The only cheese that I saw in my folks house was a 'Farmers cheese'. 
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I had some of that 'farmers cheese' and it tasted a little bit like that Polish cheese. The Spanish cheeses las a lot longer than that Swiss or French cheese, the Manchego has a very long shelf life and needs nor refridgeration but you have to develop a taste for it. When I go to Spain I pig out on cheese and olives the first few days.
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Bob, French cheese does not last long, especially when left on the shelf, because of the smell ;-)
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Originally posted by ajarmoniuk: [qb] Frankly...
And, the cheese that is missed in the west is called TWAR�G (or TWAROZEK or SER BIALY (white cheese)). It's literally a white cheese (fromage blanc, i don't know how it would be in English) but with large "grains". Sometimes it could be reffered as "cottage cheese" but it's somehow different. I don't know why it's difficult to obtain it in the West, but it is... ;-)
[/qb] Recently I was able to find twarog - so called in Polish "white cheese" in a grocery here in the USA. It tasted exactly like the Polish white cheese. As for Camember - probably French have it better but I would not complain that much at the quality of a Polish "yellow cheese" since I really liked it (maybe it is worse now, I am not in Poland right now but I do not believe so). American "yellow cheese" has much less taste for me that a Polish one. Besides, because of the competition - Polish bagels and sausages became much better recently, so I do not believe that the yellow cheese is so much worse!
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I don't think there's anything special about Polish cheeses. Most Poles can't tell the difference between various brands of Polish cheese and refer to all of them simply as "yellow cheese". Usually, they are cheap imitations of French, Swiss and Dutch cheeses.
What is really good in Poland is the twarog, (white cheese; I couldn't find it anywhere outside Poland) and some smoked cheeses (the best known of which is of course the oscypek made from ewe's milk in the Tatras).
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What is bizzare is that I could never find white peaches in Poland. The only ones one could obtain were yellow ones. And they're simply reffered to as peaches.
Also, one cannot buy a juice that is not made out of a concentrate. Well, but that's reasonable as I don't know many people who would spend 2 � on a juice here.
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Originally posted by Karol: [qb] I don't think there's anything special about Polish cheeses. Most Poles can't tell the difference between various brands of Polish cheese and refer to all of them simply as "yellow cheese". Usually, they are cheap imitations of French, Swiss and Dutch cheeses.
[/qb] Maybe it is because the American cheese is not really good and expensive - therefore I prefer Polish cheese, which in comparison with European cheeses may not be any special! The comparison always counts! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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Jaga,ajarmoniuk,karol, et al. I remember a time when you could buy American cheese in a supermarket and it came in a large or small slab almost shaped like a brick. That cheese tasted good and you sliced it with a knife. Today all of that cheese comes individually sliced and each slice is wrapped in its own plastic wrapper. The taste and quality of this cheese is zero, cero, nada and then it goes to bad. The taste buds of modern Americans have gone to hell in a handbasket. I'll bet if you brought some of that raunchy French cheese to the States, gave it a grandiose name and charged a very high price, there would be many people buying it.
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Originally posted by ajarmoniuk: [qb] What is bizzare is that I could never find white peaches in Poland. The only ones one could obtain were yellow ones. And they're simply reffered to as peaches.[/qb] That's right. I've never heard of white peaches. What are they? Are they like regular peaches only that the color is different? Or is the taste different too? BTW, is it true that the only kind of juice Americans drink is orange juice?
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White peaches (peches blanches) are like yellow ones but they're not yellow, especially inside. Their flesh is white blending to pink, not yellow at all. As for the taste, you have to try them yourself to tell the difference. I think they're not as soft and melting as the yellow ones. Here are the pictures of the two kinds of peaches. http://www.michiganpeach.org/facts/types.html And for the latter question, yes, it's true. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
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I've had white peaches before and they are great. Much sweeter than the standard yellow peaches. Here are some links.
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Originally posted by myself: [qb] Most Poles can't tell the difference between various brands of Polish cheese and refer to all of them simply as "yellow cheese". Usually, they are cheap imitations of French, Swiss and Dutch cheeses.[/qb] Well, in fact some of them are expensive imitations. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
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I have never been to the United States and so I have never tried north-american cheese. But those single-packaged inventions have been around roughly since the middle ninetees. Of course everybody had to try them out. How they look like and how they taste, it still seems very sterile and "clean" when compared to anything else that one could spot out there. They tasted and looked exactly like "melted cheese" ("serek topiony" = spread cheese) but were sliced and packaged. They're good when you're picknicking or travelling and have to make some sandwitches (a popular thing over here because it's much much cheaper than buying things on the road). But then the normal "yellow cheese" also had to be sliced and packaged individually. Unfortunately, it looks much worse, it's often already dried out even before opening... Well, Polish companies still have much to learn (but then, it's much much cheaper!). Ah, dried out yellow cheese is more yellow, sweating (wet on it's edges) but dry inside. (What a detailed description, I'm drifting far away from the Polish culture theme, but maybe this could bring some of our "gray reality".) BTW. Do you remember "serki topione" (spread cheeses)? I'm not talking about Hochland, KRAFT or any other of those new capitalist inventions <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> They're still around at shops, just harder to get. Did you prefer tłuste (fat) or kremowe (creamy)? Actually, tłuste had less fat (40%) than kremowe (60%). Me, I favoured tłuste as they were stiffer <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> And also these were the only ones when I was a child. I have found a web site of some collectioner of labels for the cheese: <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> http://www.republika.pl/etykiety/
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What's particularly interesting about cheese spreads is that even though there are now mostly foreign brands in Poland, they usually come in many more flavors than in the West. Things like ham, paprika, or mushroom cheese spreads are almost unknown there. Take the French brand, La Vache qui rit for example. It comes in only one, basic flavor, as far as I know. The same for the British version, the Laughing Cow. But in Poland, where it is sold as Kr�wka Śmieszka, it has quite a few different flavors.
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