Many Catholics are unaware of the battle going on within the ranks of Catholicism concerning salvation, justification and membership in the Church. Watch EWTN and compare what those priests teach as opposed to what your local parish priest is teaching. For example, has your priest ever warned you that you may go to hell? Most Catholics have never been told that fact at any time (post-Vatican II, that is). Have you ever heard your parish priest condemn contraception? Many Catholics use contraception. Many live in sin in their relationships. Most Catholics NEVER go to confession. We are living in that period of time described in the Third part of the Fatima Secret where there is a "Crisis of Faith". Faithful Catholics are convinced that the Great Chastisement is near. I believe we are on the brink of that event.

The liberals, or neo-Protestants, make claims such as was produced above by Fr. Ray Ryland. Not only is he so obviously a liberal, heretic, etc., but why he is all of that is evidenced by his obvious double-speak. What he is saying is that when the Church teaches "There is no salvation outside the Church" She means there IS salvation outside the Church.

Let's apply his insane erroneous principle to other aspects of Catholicism.

The Church condems abortion, therefore abortion is not wrong.
The Church condemns homosexuality, therefore it condones it as a lifestyle.
The Church says when we are in mortal sin we become enemies of God, therefore when we sin grievously, He loves us the most.

Get the point? Fr. Ryland quotes a Church teaching then categorically denies it and claims this is the mind of the Church. He is a professed liberal/modernist. The true and faithful Catholic priest does not lie about Church teaching nor feel embarassed by the truth behind it. Fr. Ryland would like to believe that everyone gets a free pass to Heaven. Jesus taught us the way to salvation is a narrow gate, and that the road to damnation is wide. Few pass through the narrow gate, and obviously, most take the wide road. This means most go to hell.

I seriously question Fr. Ryland's credentials. Did you say he was ROMAN Catholic? Just want to be sure here.

The prophet Isais said that those who are saved are as numerous as the grapes left on the vine after the pickers have been through. St. Louis Marie DeMontfort said that if you knew the number of the elect, you would shrink away in grief.

There is no place anywhere in the New Testament or in any writings of any saint that would indicate one could be saved outside of membership in the true religion. St. Theresa of Avila said: "Hell is where Lutherans go." St. Pius X taught that the majority of souls who are in hell are there because of ignorance of the things needed to be known in order to be saved (Acerbo Nimis).
Now that is a scary quote. St. Francis Xavier told the Japanese that all their ancestors were in hell. Fr. Klyber (recently deceased) of the Remnant of Israel, a convert himself, reprimanded Catholics for telling unconverted Jews that they should stay Jews. He said that attitude would condemn the Jews to hell and we have no right to deny them salvation.

For every quote from a Fr. Ryland-type claiming universal salvation, I could produce 10,000 quotes proving that one can only be saved as a Baptized Catholic. I challenge Fr. Ryland to find ONE saint who would agree with him. I challenge anyone here to find even ONE quote from any Saint at any time claiming that "Outside the Church..." means what Fr. Ryland teaches.

I NOW AWAIT THAT QUOTE. I will comment no further until my friends here produce that quote. smirk

P.S. I have never met the Fr. Feeney you are talking about, but if he defended "No Salvation" I can see why they attacked him. I guess his position is not very "Ecumenical."


Last edited by CzarinaOz; 12/08/08 12:04 AM.