I've had an African Dwarf Froggy for a couple of days now, but I hardly ever see him! Is it normal for them to hide all day and only come into view for quick gulps of air? I don't think he's even gotten any food, since he doesn't seem to move from behind one of the ornaments in the tank. Is my poor froggy in trouble? <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Hello Cat!
I'm sorry, I can't help you with the frog...I have never had one, though I was looking at them today and considering the possibility of picking a few up for pets for my bettas <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
I wonder if Glo knows anything about them...I know Jilly does. I would be curious to know thier habits myself.
Emg
AHHHH!!!!!!! He's been KIDNAPPED!
My frog is just *gone*! He's not on/near/inside any of the ornaments, he's not floating on top, there's no limbs floating around, I couldn't find him burried in the gravel, and my fish don't seem unaccountably full. He's just GONE! My poor frog!! This is WEIRD. Do these frogs dig deep into gravel?? Cause if not, I just don't know!
Well no I have never had a frog but I think I read somewhere that they do jump out, and need the whole top of the aquarium covered. i think he has jusmped ship. Not sure if it was homicide or suicide but I really think if there was any place for him to jump he has jumped out if he has totally disappeared, been my experience a couple of times with missing fish....aaarrrggghhh I hate that!!
Sorry I can't offer anymore. I hope I'm wrng and he surprises you .
Glo
I have a couple of african dwarf frogs-I've had them about a week and a half now. I too have had times when I cannot find my frogs anywhere, but they have always mysteriously appeared. And I have seen mine bury themselves in the gravel so yours might have. They like to hide-mine have dug up all of the fake plants in there, and there is a little cave where they always hide. Check out the website
http://allaboutfrogs.org/froglnd.shtml and look at the species care sheets. Hope this helps!
don't worry -this is normal frog behavior -let's keep an eye out and see if he never shows up
Know what? Ya'll were right. He just appeared this morning! lol I'm so relieved! I had no idea that he would do that! I'll check out that frog site, thanks for the link : )
LOL! This froggy is really trying to prove himself today. Not only does he suddenly prove he's not missing, he took a walk today! First time I've seen him move around on his own. The funny thing climbed into the tree stump ornament I have, I guess that's his new home : )
Maybe Cat...he's just feeling comfortable enough in his new home to finally take a peek around. I think I will like to get a few of these frogs myself.. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Cat..how does your betta like him?
Emg :rolling:
The Betta doesn't bother the frog at all, and Senor Squiggy (the frog) is very docile towards all the other critters in the tank, even the shrimp. He's fun to watch, too : )
Do you know if I can put in any old rocks in the tank, Jilly? I have a rock collection from when I was a kid : ) Thought I might put one or two in there for S. Squiggy.
Cat, you can use backyard rocks or rock collection rocks, but make sure you wash everything really well in HOT water, no soap. Also, put a few drops of vinegar on the rock - if it bubbles, you might not want to put it in the tank, since it might react chemically with the water.
Excellent! Thanks for the tips, I'll definately do that : )
Mine get along well with my betta too, in fact the frogs are more curious about the betta than he is about them <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Cat, what do you feed yours? I tried sinking pellets but they wouldn't eat them. Now I'm feeding frozen brine shrimp.
Also, one of my frogs is missing a hand-not sure if he was injured as a tadpole, or if they have a lot of genetic defects. Does anyone know?
Ooorr....your betta wanted a snackie.... <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Emg :rolling:
LOL Emg that's kinda what I was thinking. I don't have any frogs although I admit they do look really cute. Between being hard to feed them I am worreid about their safety as well as the fins on my bettas. mine sorta just have each other swimming where they can see or right next to them sometimes ..in separate tanks...I think I might put my 2 females in with the 2 1/2 tanks with the first 2 males I got some time today with the dividers just to kinda see what happens.
Glo
I just picked up two froggie pets for my bettas today.. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I have no idea what to expect, but I put one in with my steel female and one in with "Patriot". So far Patriot took a couple of swipes at it but not serious ones. Frog looks ok. The female hasn't paid much attention to hers so far. Have to see how it goes...but after putting them in these particular tanks..I was wondering..do these frogs need to be in a heated tank? Because the ones I put them in are not. I was going to put one in with my Teal female..but the temp hovers around 86..which is fine for Teal but I'm not sure if it is ok for a frog. Anyone know?
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
I love my little froggies! They are so cute and the bettas just ignore them now. The funny thing was that I got 2 otos on Saturday, put one into each tank, and the frog in Sweetie's tank immediately went over to get romantic!
They have similar markings, but since then oto has been staying as far away as possible from the frog. :music:
The one in Pinky's tank just hangs out, then suddenly hops around. I don't see them eat like Jilly said, but the gravel is very clean now. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Emg,
My frogs are ok in the non heated tanks with my bettas, the water in the tank at the store was heated, so I think they're adaptable. :kiss:
Emg, don't worry about the heat. These guys alwaus seem sto adapt to whatever they are thrown into. Cute buggers. Also, someone was worried about them eating...like I said, I never see mine eat, and I know they do.
All, If you tried to get the largest frogs possible, it's a better bet that your betta will leave them alone (after a bit of curiousity at first). The littlest ones might be harrassed at times, whcih is why they will need a rock or cave of their own.
Is there any way to tell if I have girl or boy frogs? I suspect the one in Sweetie's tank is a boy. :rolleyes:
I guess I'm wondering if it's possible to breed them. Any thoughts?
LOL I know I'm crazy. Couldn't keep betta fry alive, but I'm thinking of the frogs. . .
ya know, I just don't know much about these frogs. it's pretty hard to find good info on them. is anyone in this forum a herp specialist?
oh, Nan, don't feel bad about the fry, that was your first time, and these things do happen. Not your fault and you will do better next time!
I did a google on African dwarf frogs and found this link:
African Dwarf Frogs
Thanks for all the info folks! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Miss Meow, I must confess, I just got Senor Squiggy and I am still trying to figure out what's best for him to eat, since I never see him eat : ( What do you suggest, Jilly? I know it's ok if I don't see him eat, but I don't see any food left around FOR him to eat! Even when I turned off the lights after putting in food, my fish STILL found it all.
I got the frozen bloodworms at PetSmart Saturday when I bought the otos. They all seemed to love them. Even my cichlids were darting around like mad grabbing them. (They're in different tanks!) <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Of course, the otos are just sucking away on the sides and bottom of the tank. I may put in a couple of spinich leaves when the algae is gone.
I guess I'll sound like a MickyD commercial when I say, "I'm lovin it!" They are all cute and fun to watch.
Cat, your frogs will eat anything. Fish food, frog food, insects, live food, whatever.
Well, mine will not eat their frog food, at least not yet, but maybe I'll try again tonight. The frog that I have without the hand could not have lost it from my betta, because I noticed before they were ever in the same tank--but it was a good suggestion <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> You all really never see them eat? Mine go nuts when I feed them. SO maybe they would eat the pellets, I just don't wait long enough. I get so paranoid that they won't eat them and they'll pollute the tank.
when I first got frogs, I worried about all this. but it seems to have worked out. I've had these frogs over a year and they are not dead, so they MUST be eating something.
you can only do so much. Don't stress too hard. if you have clean gravel, they are scavenging something.
Hi, I am new to the forum but I have been reading the posts on this forum for a few days now and it has really helped me out.
Anyways, I bought a couple of African Dwarf Frogs for my 2 bettas, Dante and Girl. Dante and Girl both have the Aquascene 1 set-up with added Junior Heaters that keep the temps at about 80, and a Java Fern for each tank. I am a complete novice to pet fish but I am having tons of fun with it and believe I am doing a good job at it. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
The frog in Dante's tank got nipped at by Dante, but when the frog faught back Dante, shocked, stopped nipping. Yay! The frog is now hiding under a cave decoration that Dante can't get to, so I feel ok about that tanks set-up even though I can't see the frog and pray that he is able to get out from under the cave and breath.
The frog in Girl's tank was nipped at much more and I did not see him fight back. He just put his hands over his head laying flat and closed his eyes; the poor guy. Girl was to rough for my liking so I took her out of the tank for a few hours and she is still out. I rearanged Girl's tank to give the frog a hiding spot, but I am not sure if he has found it yet. Girl is still in time out and I want to see the frog find his hiding spot before I put her back in.
I'm having way too much fun with this...
Hello MoJo..welcome to the forum ! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Haha..about putting your betta in time out! I think that is so funny! Good idea about giving froggie a chance to find the hidy hole. I have 12 bettas and two of them have a frog in them. So far the fish have been leaving them pretty much alone..though my male "Patriot" did take a few swipes at his frog at first..but I guess he decided it was not a threat so now leaves him alone. The female hasn't bothered hers at all, just took some long looks at it and decided to leave well enough along I guess. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Emg :love:
Hi MoJo welcome. Yep we do like our bettas around here. I too am getting bit by the frog bug as well. Think i will be reading others adventures with these little critters and their bettas for a few more days. I have always thought the little frogs were rather cute. might pick up a coule to put in with my Peace Lilys sorta a quarantine for a bit to be sure they are healthy etc...and decide which betta personality might like some company.
Glo
Do frogs heal? I'm not sure if Plucky the ADF in Girl's tank had his back foot injured before or after I put him in with Girl. I just know that the first good look I got at Plucky I noticed his back right foot was damaged. It was hard to see them in the bags I got them in at the store. So I'm just wondering if his foot can heal because he doesn't have much webbing on that foot. Poor guy. :angel:
Hey Mo,
Welcome to the forum! I think they will heal, you might try checking out the link I put in a couple of days ago. There are a bunch of websites that talk about the ADFs. They describe the hanging in the water on one foot as the Zen pose. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
My frogs must have adapted cause they're doing it a lot. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
HA!
Talk about those frogs hiding !...
I was doing my regular weekly clean just now...I had just cleaned my steel female's tank..(which is one of those 1 quart size creature carry things you find in PetCo,PetSmart,etc.) When I looked in there and saw a frog!
(GASP!) I had completely forgotten that I had one of those frogs in there!
I had done a REAL good cleaning too! Taken the fish out and all the plants and the cave I have in there...and...dumped out ALL the water!! I wiped out the sides of the tank refilled it halfway and put the cave and plants back in ...then the fish and filled it up the rest of the way. Then I look in and see this frog standing at the side of the tank looking at me! NOW....don't ask me just exactly where he ditched himself during this whole process...but he managed to find his way back in! Hahaha!
Man, those things are tenacious! He must have stuffed himself inside the mondo grass...that's the only thing I can think of. I'll have to pay more attention. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
Emg :rolleyes:
Emg,
You've got a seriously adaptable frog! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Hey...I caught my frog eating!
Haha...I put some brine shrimp in the tank for him..he's got it to himself while Patriot is in the breeder tank. I was looking for someplace to put some extra brine shrimp as I had fed everyone already...so I gave it to froggie...he LOVED it! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> but..I don't think froggie is going to be eating shrimp very often as I am saving it for the fry mostly.
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Jilly....
Do african dwarf frogs eat fish fry??
I was thinking about putting one in the fry tank to help keep the bottom clean...but...I don't want to wake up in the am and see one very fat happy frog and no fry..
Emg :angel:
What does it mean when an african frog swells up his chin and belly...and just hangs near the surface? Could this be a courtship thing??
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
I'm not completely sure, but I've caught Zen doing it a few times. Tao (in Sweetie's tank) seems to prefer the bottom. Sometimes I'll see him gulp a big breath of air, then sink again.
Anyone else know??
Nan :music:
Emg, I would not add a frog wherever there is fry. they will eat anything really.
about the Zen pose, this is a mystery. maybe he is hunting for insects, maybe he is doing yoga.
I'm going to try to catch a photo of Zen in his ballet pose -- one foot down, the rest floating in the water stretched out as far as he can be. So cute!!! After seeing the info on the site about ADFs, I think Zen may be a she. :kiss: That would explain Tao's mounting Zen while they were still in the store bag.
Share that photo with us Nann, when you get it!
Gee, I have been so caught up in these fish, never even thought of posting a frog pic....do they qualify as fish?...since they are in with the fish I would think so!
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
I changed the water in both tanks yesterday. I decided to start out with warm water for Pinky's crew. Zen scared me -- just lay there in the vase as if she/he was dead. I tapped the vase, and then saw that Pinky was looking stunned too.
I had put water that was too hot in the vase! :rolleyes: I quickly put cold water in and swirled the vase, Pinky seemed to shake himself off and swam again. Zen kept playing dead. <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> I did a race cleaning of Pinky's tank, refilled it, and put them back into it. Surprise -- Zen's back to normal. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> And this morning I caught Tao and Zen eating. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
good, then! I would hate to hear you'd boiled your babies, but it sounds like they told you the signs and you paid attention...good on ya.
Emg, post froggies on rate a fish - why not? Anything in your tank is game <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I'm hoping my photos will show up on Rate a Fish pretty soon. I've got a couple of good ones of the ADF's in their tanks. :rolling:
Tao is hanging out on the top of the tank now. He's sitting on a spinach leaf as if it were a lily pad.
I'm hoping he's not sick or anything. I worry about them especially if I don't see them right away.
Nan
Well, I put my F'lar in the aquascene that "Jax" was in..(he's in the new breeder tank) F'lar has been somewhat depressed ever since I took him away from his babies, can't say I blame him.
He was in the "bettahex" I have...room temp water...I think the warmer water in the aquascene will perk him up a bit. He actually looks a bit better already.
Sooo...why did I post this on the 'frog' thread? Well, I took the frogs out of the tanks they were in and put them in the bettahex that F'lar was in. I was wondering if one of them has been expressing a desire to ..spawn? breed? pair up? (don't know what you call it when frogs "do it" <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> ) anyway...was wondering if perhaps I might have a male and a female frog, so thought I would put them together to find out.
This may sound cruel...but...I was considering the possibility of ...(whisper)oO((tadpole treats for my fry))
Is that out of line?? I mean...what do ya think?
Emg :rolling:
sounds fine to me. I feed my big cichlids anything dead I can find - bugs, other dead fish....blech, but they love it.
About frog spawing: Can't advise you here, haven't done it. If they mate, let us know how it goes. And I don't know what frog sex is called either LOL <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Speedy is doing well -- I found out the reason he was pale. He shed his skin the night after I got him. He's just as dark as the others now. He and Grapel are happily ignoring each other. But the water in the vase is getting cloudy quickly, I may move Speedy in with Sweetie. :beamedup:
I moved Speedy into the tank with Sweetie, Tao and Flash. They are all studiously avoiding each other. Speedy is much smaller in the other tank. My vase is a great magnifying glass. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I went down to the local pet store yesterday, innocently intending to buy a little box net thing to put future possible baby fry in. I checked out the fish on my way, and there was a new shipment of froggies! yay! They looked like they had been there a while, and they were all relatively active and happy look'in, so I bought one <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
So far he's ten times more active than my first frog. The other one must have been sick, because I just never saw him at all except to grab air. He didn't EVER float at the top of the tank or climb onto anything really. I'm very pleased with this frog! He is SO MUCH FUN TO WATCH! I love his little flippers and his skinny little legs and arms.
:love:
Gotta watch out for those "innocent" trips to the fish store! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> I love my froggies too, they are so cute. I can see how easy it is to end up with tanks everywhere in the house. :rolleyes:
Hello all! I'm new to this forum but have been reading this post. I noticed a lot of people here are new to the Dwarf Froggies (bless the adorable little things <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> ) I have had a lot of experience with them I wanted to give everyone a few tips on them....
*Breeding is very hard. 2 of my frogs had bred before and my fish kept eating the eggs. I wish they didn't because just a few months ago their father died and I would have liked to have one of his kids to remember him by <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I wouldn't reccomend trying to breed them.
*I feed my froggies through a 2 straws taped together. This works out fabulously only if you feed them sinking the frog bites.
*Girls frogs are round and a bit more pear-shaped. The boys are skinnier and have a bump sort of where their armpit is (I kno this is odd.. ha ha <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> )
*Someone said one of their frogs had a flipper missing. One of my frogs has had a hand missing too. You should probably bring him/her to a pet store nearby and have him/her checked out.
Hope these tips help I will add more later.
Hello BettaFrogGirl!
Welcome to the forum! and thanks so much for sharing your knowledge with us about the frogs! I have two myself and enjoy them. They are fun and interesting to watch. If there is any other info on these interesting little guys/gals that you can share...please do! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Hope you enjoy it here! (would you like a betta to go with your little frogs?? <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> )
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Hello BettaFrogGirl <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Thanks for the info! I never thought of feeding a frog through a straw
I'll have to try it!
Hope you like it here!
Hi BettaFrogGirl!
Welcome, I am glad to have someone with experience with our little froggies to ask questions! <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
I've got 3 now, 2 in one tank with a female betta and an oto, and one in a tank with a male and an oto.
Can you explain about the straws? I haven't found frog food anywhere so far, but I haven't been to a fish store yet.
I'm afraid to go near one frankly! :rolleyes: God knows what I'd come out with if I go in. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Hahaha Nann..I can relate!! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Emg
:rolling:
Nann,
About the frog food, you can find it in almost any pet store that sells fish (and especially in one that sells the frogs <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> ) It's called HBH Frog and Tadpole Bites. They are sinking pellets and work very well. If your straw doesn't reach the bottom, tape 2 (or three if you really need it) together. It's best to feed them in one spot all the time so they will eventually learn that that is where there food will always be.
Everyone,
Thank you all for the friendly welcome. It will be very useful to have a forum with so many fish and frog lovers. I have ahd lots of experience with the frogs, but I am new to bettas and I need help. I have a new male betta that I just got 4 days ago. His name is Snowfire incase anyone was interested <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> . He is very fun to have, but I have a problem; He hasn't been eating his Betta Bites! I put a few on top and he doesn't eat them. Can anyone help me out? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Hello BFGirl!
Welcome to the forum! We would love your input about the frogs...and will be happy to help you all we can with your new betta(s)!
These fish can be very finicky...they are also tempermental to changes. It could be that he isn't used to the food you are offering or he is just taking his time adjusting to the change in environment...or...both! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Being in a little cup at the pet/fish store is a very stressful experience for bettas...they need time to settle and adjust. Offer him different foods..but make sure you take out what he doesn't eat. Make sure the temp of his water is high 70's low 80's F. and you could add some aquarium salt to his water too, that helps.
If he is kept warm and quiet for a few days with nice clean water I'm sure he'll do fine. But do keep an eye out for any illness that may crop up...fungus, ick ...fun stuff like that.. :rolleyes: There are plenty of threads here with lots of good advice if he does show any signs of illness. There are also plenty of folks here who would be happy to answer any questions you may have! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Let us know how your little guy is doing !
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Thank you for the advise, but I am confused... <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> I thought aquarium salt is for saltwater fish. And I think I have gotten somewhere with feeding Snowy. I dropped a few bites in and turned out the lite. When I came back about 5 minutes later the pellets were gone. I assumed he ate them but they may have floated to the bottom and I can't see them. It is hard to tell when you have gravel. Any more tips on keeping my betta lemme kno.
O and I don't have a heater. He is being kept in about a gallon and a half tank w/ gravel, a rubber plant, and a light overhead. The tank is on a desk in my bedroom away from the window and the light is usually always on. Is there a tiny heater and/or filter I could get him?
BFGirl...
There are some of us here who have been using or have used the "Jr Heater" which you can purchase at Walmart. It's a little 7.5 watt submersible heater.
This heater is supposed to be for tanks between 2 and 5 gallons...but I have one in an "Eclipse" one and half gallon tank. It keeps the water between 82 and 84. I have a female betta in there now and she seems fine with those temps. I do have to keep the plastic front cover off though, because if I have it on the temps reach towards 90 and that is just too warm.
If you do try that heater make sure you have a thermometer in the tank so you can keep an eye on the temps for awhile Until you are sure it will be ok...keep a close eye on it if for a few days if you have your fish in there when you try it out.
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
BettaFrogGirl,
I was confused about aquarium salt too, but it's actually very helpful for the freshwater fish -- just not snails and ghost shrimp. I killed 4 ghost shrimp that way. :angel:
Jilly can give you more info about why, I just know it perked my bettas right up when I gave them a bit.
Oh...about the aquarium salt....You don't use quite the amount of salt in a freshwater tank that you would put in a marine tank. I think Jilly had a post somewhere that states that all water has some sodium in it...it is like electorlites for your fish. It's good for them and helps to keep bacteria down in the tank.
When I first started this hobby I thought the same thing..."Salt in a freshwater tank???" but really it's ok. The recommended amount for freshwater tanks is only 1 teasp per gallon, some use less, others may use a bit more if they are treating sick fish. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Emg :love:
Thanks for the info, but I am really afraid to add salt. :rolleyes: Ha ha ha. I am just so afraid that it will kill my poor little betta. How helpful is it?
BFGirl...
I use it with my betta all the time as a regular addition to their water. I fill a two gallon bucket with tap water.....add 12 drops of "stress coat" ...5 drops of PH down...and 2 teasp. of aquarium salt to the bucket...then let it sit for at least a day before using it for water changes. My fish are doing fine! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
My brother in law has a 55 gallon tank full of freshwater fish...he uses aquarium salt in his tank all the time...it really is good for the fish! You just want to make sure you aren't using the wrong KIND of salt....aquarium salt is what you want..it will be labeled as such.
But if you really are afraid to use it...you don't have to. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> But if your fish ever become sick..it really does help them to recover.
Emg :-)
Hello again. I have a few more questions. (sorry! Let's not forget I am new to bettas. hee hee hee)
1. I have noticed that my betta isn't very active as my old one (I had him about a year ago and when I brought him home we realixed he had ich and he died 5 days later <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> ) My old fish (Austin) always would swim up to the surface and let me pet him, but this one seems to hang out in his rubber plant, and the only time I think he has ever eaten was when I turned out the light and even THEN I am not sure if he ate it or not. Any information?
2. A little bit ago I said how my betta's tank is set up. Is this set-up fine? Friday I planned on going out to the petstore and getting some things for him and my other fish and frogs (a tank ornament/cave, a living plant, some more fish and maybe some more froggies, and test strips to test the water). I hear Betta Bulbs are good. Are they the best plant for him?
3. As for heating, I just have a light on overhead half the time. I put in a thermometer and it was about 72 degrees. I put a towel around 3 of the sides of the tank to keep the heat in. Is 72 to low and is the towel a good idea?
Hope you guys can answer my questions and I also hope that I am not bothering you.
I posted this in the oto thread, but it was so funny I had to share it here too. This morning, I was watching Flash - the oto - living up to his name in Sweetie's tank. :rolling: Suddenly, the two frogs, Tao and Speedy ganged up on him. They climbed on top of him and held him down on the gravel! <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> Then he wiggled away, and the froggies chased him up the side of the tank and herded him back down where Speedy sat on him. :rolleyes: He struggled a bit, then finally settled down. After a minute or two, Speedy moved off him, but Flash just stayed there. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Frog Pile on the Otto?? <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Emg,
ROFLMAO! Yep, that's a good description of it.
Oh, BettaFroggirl, sorry I lost your questions. Yes, all of what you said is fine. I have to run to a wedding right now, so maybe someone else can help with tthose questions right now.
Hello BFGirl,
Sorry to take so long answering your questions..
Sounds like you have a depressed betta...I have one of those myself right now..he's very mopey ever since I removed him from his babies. Right now I have him in an aquascene and the temps staying at about 78 F..I just keep the water clean, offer him a variety of foods, most of which he just stares blandly at and sulks. I even put a frog in with him to keep him company and give him something to "play" with should the mood strike him. He ignores it..(except that today I found him laying on top of the poor frog..lol) Right now I'm not too concerned for him as he looks healthy enough and does fan and flare his fins pretty regularly. I even put his tank next to one of the girls..he shows mild interest, just stares (typical! :rolleyes: ) I figure he'll snap out of it sooner or later, but I do keep an eye out for any signs of illness.
I would say trying to keep the temp up to the high 70's low 80's if you can manage it..would help. Wrapping a towel around the tank does help..but makes it hard to see your little fishie...and him to see you.
As far as plants...I have java moss, mondo grass and some kind of sword plant which all seem to be doing very nicely in my tanks. The other nameless plants I have don't seem to do as well for some reason. I really like the mondo grass! Oh..I do have some of those banana plant things too, they also do well.
Do all you can to make his environment interesting, clean and comfortable for him...offer a variety of foods till you find what he likes (making sure you take out what he doesn't eat)..and maybe even get him a tank buddy! Do keep an eye out for illness too..if you notice him laying on the bottom all the time it might be wise to start a bettafix/salt treatment. Laying on the bottom alot or just floating on the top usually means they aren't feeling very well for one reason or another.
OH..did you try that jr heater I mentioned? I have one in a 1 1/2 gallon and it keeps the temps at about 82..but do make sure you have a thermometer in the tank to keep an eye on the temps...these heaters are supposed to be for 2-5 gallon tanks.
Hope all goes well with the little guy...let us know how he does....and please don't hesitate to come and ask questions at any time...that's what we're all here for! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
Thanks for the info. Maybe Snowy is just depressed, but he isn't eating ANYTHING I give him. I take out everything that isn't eaten. I just don't know what to do. I don't want my poor betta to starve. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I just realized the tank isn't 1 1/2 gallon it is only 1 so there is pretty much no way I could use a Jr. Heater.
At the moment, I am watching my friend's betta and frog while she is away. Her betta is eating just fine while mine continues to not eat and we got our bettas on the same day. Her froggie is missing some toes on his back feet <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> . Poor little guy. Atleast he can still swim right. Anyway, if anyone can give me a way to make my little Snowy eat let me know please.
PLease check the new thread about how to use this forum. It posts a link to two topics you should read, Frogbettagirl: how to get bettas to eat, and small tank heating experiments! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
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I went upstairs last night to check on my fishie, and froggie friends. Speedy was floating belly up, and Tao was looking very sick. The water smelled bad in Sweetie's tank. So I moved Tao into a little cup of his own with some water from Grapel's tank. But, he died too. :angel: :angel:
I'm so sad. Zen seems fine, active and happy in Pinky's tank. I think I overloaded Sweetie's tank with her, 2 ADF's and an oto. I forgot to turn on the bubbler/filter yesterday in her tank, so that my have some bearing on it.
OH NANN!! <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
I am sorry to hear that Nann!
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
I am also very sorry to hear that Nan. I know when my fish are sick, I have a hard time sleeping thinking about them.
On a completely different note, I have one of those Jr heaters on a one gallon, and it works fine. My temps are about 76-78, depending on if the light has been on or not. Although, my apartment is probobly around 65 room temperature, so that has an effect as well.
Oh, Nan, I am so sorry to hear about your poor froggies. Sweetie is fine, right? It does sounds like too many critters in one space, then.
Meow, that's good about your temps - you keep your house chilly! brrrrr....
Yeah Jilly,
Sweetie is fine. But she's back to being brown with just the tips of her fins tinged in color. I truly think she's very sensitive and having a dead froggie in her tank freaked her out. And now having no froggie is also making her sad.
I never project my feelings onto my fish! :rolleyes:
My husband asked that I not get another froggie until the house gets settled. It's very hard to respect that request. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> Flash and Sweetie's water is clear and they're looking active, and I miss my Tao & Speedy. :angel: :angel:
Hmm. Maybe we should start a grief and loss journal?
where your frogs getting food? Bettas can be greedy and eat everything, even the stuff that falls to the gravel. I try to make sure I have extra food hidden on the bottom somewhere...I liked Frogbettagirl's straw idea.
Yes, please start a grief and loss journal. It's a great idea. Everyone should realize these deaths happen. While it's sad, it's relly all part of the hobby. We do our best, though. :angel:
I told my friend about losing my froggies, and she got me two replacements. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> Of course, since they were a gift, I couldn't refuse. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> But they aren't Tao and Speedy :angel:
The two new guys are hanging out on the gravel, just sort of hiding for now. They are in separate tanks -- I'll just be changing Grapel's water almost daily. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
As far as feeding them, my bettas hate the flake food, so I give a dab of that every day in the tank for the frogs. They don't seem hungry, but then, how do you know if they are? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
New froggie (so far unnamed) grabbed a big flake last night -- almost his size. He cracked me up. He was definitely hungry though. Grapel is ignoring him for the most part. Sweetie noses at her frog every once in a while, but otherwise haunts the top of her tank.
Great, Nan! SOunds like all is going well.
I'm planning to look for frog food tonight, and try the straw trick to be sure they're getting enough food.
I use Frog Bites from petsmart. But any sinking food should do, as long as it's different stuff from time to time, for variety.
Hello! I am glad to say that Snowfire has snapped out of his depression. He is happier than ever and eats the pellets I put in for him.
He even blew a big net of bubbles!
This weekend I am getting 2 more froggies and some tetras (incase anyone was interested).
Do the tetras and froggies get along ok? I've noticed that my otos and froggies tend to squabble a little bit at times. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Yes, Tetras and frogs get along just fine. But at times, my frog bites at the tetras fins when they try to eat his food <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> .
Snowy is still doing great, but alas, I have another issue. In my ten gallon tank, I have noticed along the sides there are these tiny white worm-like bacteria (i think they are bacteria) things. Doesn anywone know wat they are, if they are good or bad, or if they are bad how to get rid of them <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> . I noticed the same things last year around this time.
Yes, Tetras and frogs get along just fine. But at times, my frog bites at the tetras fins when they try to eat his food <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> .
Snowy is still doing great, but alas, I have another issue. In my ten gallon tank, I have noticed along the sides there are these tiny white worm-like bacteria (i think they are bacteria) things. Does anywone know wat they are, if they are good or bad, or if they are bad how to get rid of them <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> . I noticed the same things last year around this time.
Oops. Sorry everyone I posted that last one twice <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
I've done that too. :rolleyes:
My new froggies are getting used to the new environment, they're doing the meditation poses now. :kiss: I got some Ammonia Lock and put it into the vase to prevent any nasty water surprises with Grapel and his new frog.
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BettaFrogGirl,
I know just you're seeing, they look more to me like flagulent nematodes. I get them in Twink and Spark's tank. Afte a good water change they aren't so pronounced, but they come back with a vengence. My fish don't seem bothered by these things, but I too wish I knew what they were. Perhaps Jilly knows since I heard her or Nann speak of "swimming lil' buggers". I can only guess they were talking about these white nematode things. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Well, I've avoided white bug type things in my tank, but I believe EmgBettaNut has had them. I'm not sure if the bettas will eat them or not. But from what you said it sounds like not. I know there was some discussion about this on another thread, I think on the betta fry discussion?
Nann
Well...I don't think I would worry too much about them...I have been feeding "micro worms" to my betta fry on occasion and they look an awful lot like those little nemotodes...I think they are in fact the very same thing. Basically bettas are carnivores...if it moves..they'll eat it! Might prove to be a nice snackie thing for them! But, I don't however know what it means "cycle" wise when these things show up... <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> ...but I did have them in one of my fry tanks...but I haven't seen any since the fry have been in there..except for the ones I put in..and they sure don't last long! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Emg :love:
Do these white bugs look like little specks that move? Because I was looking at one of my tanks the other day, and I SWEAR that there were white dots that were moving on their own.
The nematodes are very small white wormy looking things..that move along the side of the tank...they squiggle alot when on the bottom of the tank. The white dots, not sure what they are, but I don't think they are harmful... <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> ...if the betta see them moveing...they eat them!
Hhmm...however there are parasites that you have to be concerned about..like gill flukes..which look like stringy things coming from your fish's gills. Not a good thing..but if your fish aren't showing any signs of parasites..(and I'm not exactly sure just what 'ALL' the signs are..but wasting away is one and the stringy stuff in gills is another)..then I don't think you need to be concerned. Even healthy water has lots of weird crawly things in it that are too small to see...I don't think we need to worry about the ones you CAN see as long as the fish are healthy and don't seem to mind.
Having said that I remind all that I am NOT an expert on aquariums! Might be good to do some more research on those things. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
I think EmgBettaNut is right. My fishies are healthy (except for a little fin rot on one) so I'm worried about them too much. Was more curious though. After some reseach, it might be that they are very large rotifers. Bu tI won't know exactly 'til I get my 'scope working again. :angel:
The temperature went up to 100 degrees yesterday outside, and the tanks were included in the heat increase. This morning all three frogs were hanging out on top of the water, they moved when I tapped on the tanks. The water didn't go up to 100 degrees, but it was quite a bit warmer than it had been.
Makes me wonder if they were basking in the warmth or trying to get some relief! <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Hot and sunny again today. People are calling it earthquake weather (nothing to do with 10.5 on TV)
The tank water has definitely had a temp rise, but I don't have my thermometers yet to see what it is. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Grapel's frog was acting weird, hanging out on the surface of the water all the time, etc. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
So, I did a major water change, waited and checked again, still on top. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
So, I moved him into Sweetie's tank with a bubbler (Grapel is still in a vase), but thought about the fact that 2 frogs croaked in her tank not that long ago (pun is intended) :angel:
After that grim thought, I scooped him back out and put him in with Pinky. He floated for a while last night, but this morning was on the gravel doing his push ups against the tank wall. I made sure to put extra frog food in that tank, Zen is really big now in comparison. Pinky hates the flake food, so he just ignores it. I got Frog Bites and used the straw trick, but I'm not sure any of them found it. The flakes they found. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
oh, the nematodes, don't worry about them. most fish eat em, and my snails do too. extra fude.
I always check my babies while getting ready in the mornings, and today I couldn't find froggie #2 in Pinky's tank. I looked everywhere too. So, I'm thinking, oh no he died and Pinky ate him. Nope, he was hiding in a curled up leaf, right near the surface. Silly guy. When I moved the leaf, he swam down to the gravel and as soon as I removed my finger from the plant, swam right back into the leaf. :rolleyes:
Nan, I don't know about the tanks with frogs in them because they'll jump out, but if you kept a fan blowing over the surface of the water where your bettas are, that might help to keep their temps down a bit. Also, more surface agitation also helps cool the water so if you lower the water level where you have buublers going so there are more bubbles, that also might help.
The external temp has fluctuated this week from very high and dry to lower and humid. I don't have heaters in the tanks, so the water temp seems to vary with the air temps. Froggie #2 is still hiding in the curled up leaf, so I guess he's shy or something. Maybe the change to a different tank with a bubbler and more companions is bothering him, or he just found a cool place to hide. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
sounds like your frog found a spot he likes - so I'd leave him be.
Well, this morning he was on the gravel, and Zen was floating toward the top of the tank. He looked distressed. So I did an emergency 50% water change, the water was sort of green
, but once I replaced the old with the new, Zen and froggie #2 were hanging out on the gravel together. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" /> Pinky and Bashful (the oto) both seemed fine. I guess my frogs are the equivalent of the canary in a mine. They're most sensitive to water problems.
They're all still doing well. Yeah! Zen looks like a giant in comparison to the other froggies. I think I actually have 2 different kinds, the new ones don't have webbed feet, just claws, and Zen definitely has all webbed feet.
I bought baby shrimp for them thinking they'd like the treat -- nope, I ended up siphoning them back out. The cichlids think they've died and gone to heaven! :rolleyes:
uh oh nan, i think that you might have gotten the wrong frogs! The ones with claws are a different kinf of frog, and they get very large. They look similar when they are small though. If I was you I would take them back to the store and get the right ones. Check this out
http://allaboutfrogs.org/info/species/clawed.html HTH!
I checked my froggies very very carefully. African clawed frogs are illegal in San Diego. They invaded a lake and caused enormous damage. So, I can say quite happily that I have 3 ADFs! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
And naturally they are adorable, very good at hiding, and on closer inspection have all webbed feet. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Gollum died this morning - just after i started actually SEEING him eat...bummer, eh?
maybe I will try a cory cat and a female betta in there - it's a 2.5 with my lovely killifish Legolas.
Jilly,
I'm so sorry about Gollum. :angel: I don't know how bettas do with corys. Mine are ok with the otos.
Nan
I'm thinking about pulling my little frogs out of the betta tanks for a while and putting them into their own place. Zen is still fat and sassy, but the little ones are looking very very thin. I think if I put them into their own tank together they'll get more food. Sweetie is looking very fat suddenly, and I think she's been eating everybody's food.
I'm hoping she's not egg bound or anything serious.
A few fo the frogs I have seem to like hanging out at the top of the tank. They sit in the plants that I have floating up there. It's easy to feed them because I just pop in a freeze dried blood worm or some tubefex worms right near where they are lounging...and they gobble them right up.
The ones that hang out at the bottom....I have some betta pellets that sink right to the bottom if you hold them under the water when you let them go. I try to pick a spot where the frog is when the betta isn't looking...and drop them in. Most of the time I'm successful...sometimes the betta sees and gobbles them up. So, I make sure I try to feed the frogs first..if the betta gets it then he doesn't get his own goodies! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Emg <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I put Sweetie in with Grapel for a while yesterday while I gave the froggies a small shower of frog bites. :devil: They are looking a bit bigger today. I just will have to clean the gravel tonight to make sure it doesn't get yucky! :rolleyes:
I have a 5 gal tank set up with 2 frogs and 8 ghost shrimp. I enjoy watching them a lot, the frogs are really a comedy act in themselves. I have seen them both eat, and the ghost shrimp as well. The frogs do try occasionally to catch a shrimp but they are so poorly eyesighted etc..its gonna be a while til they get any of them caught, them things are fast. Just a unique little tank to care for and watch something different for a while.
glo
As for your frogs dissappearance and reappearance, do you have any ornaments that are hollow inside. I thought I lost a frog once. I took an ornament out, and didn't see it until the second time I looked inside the ornament. It had crawled DEEP up inside the ornament, and I could just barely see it.
Hello Psylnz!
Welcome to the fish forum! Yeah, those frogs do know how to hide. They're alot of fun to watch, when you can SEE them! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Emg
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Zen is hiding in the mystery snail shell I bought from Jilly. I haven't seen him for a day or so. But the funniest thing was seeing his feet when he was doing his zen pose in the shell. I couldn't see anything but his back feet. :rolleyes:
that's so cute! Are the bettas in their shells? or have froggies taken over those as well?
They haven't moved in. They seem to see them as cool ornaments at the moment.
Nan
Hello- I have a betta in a tank with 3 ADF- They are Ed, Edd & Eddie. Ed & Edd look so much alike it is v.hard to tell them apart. Anyway Ed or Edd started to shed?? I hear that is normal, but he is now REALLY mean- he has attacked everyone who gets in his way. Poor Eddie had a nasty tangle, but I see no damage. Is it normal to be moody and shed?? Stacie <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />
I believe shedding is normal, but if he's being mean, maybe he needs to be in a cup by himself for a bit of time.
Froggy Time out <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
Yep, If he can't play nice he can play by himself. :beamedup:
Ed or Edd seems back to normal. Skin is shed and seemed to be v. nice to everyone else- except I did catch him looking at Sid Vicious (the betta) in an ugly way. Sid ignores the frogs if they ignore him.... None of the other frogs shed.
Also, Sid now turns up his nose at betta food, he waits and eats every other day when they (frogs & Betta) all get frozen bloodworms.
Does anyone else use the frozen bloodworm blocks- If so how much of one do you feed? I do not want to overfeed anyone, but they all seem to want more after they eat. Stacie
While at Walmart last night, the woman who sold me the otos was sympathetic about my froggies dying. She said she believes that keeping them alive is sheer luck. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> She said that they do best in heated tanks with live bloodworms for food, but still die in that environment. She also said that fish flakes are not enough for them to eat, and apparently the frog bites aren't either. They need insect larvae. <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" />
I think I'll wait on getting any more until I can get the temperature and food sorted out.
I know there are people who live for herpes (reptiles and amphibs)...those people reading this forum and not writing in, PLEASE let your voice be heard and share what you know. We all had to get over being shy and say hello sometime. <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
I've had 3 ADF's for a couple of months now. They seem to be doing ok. I feed them dried tubifex worms by hand....only way I can be sure they get something to eat...and even that way the betta usually gets few nibbles....they're such pigs! :rolleyes: I don't feed them every day though. About every other or so. They take such mouthfuls when they eat I figure it must last them at least that long!
Emg
I've has my adf's 3 weeks now. They are doing great I THINK....eat freeze dried bloodworms, and frozen brine shrimp...they eat very well and have had a 5 gal cycled and heated tank to themselves from the start. I watch them eat all the time...they are still a comedy routine. No betta in with them though...don't think they would get enough food at all if I did that. Added 3 neons today as had to move some angels around and neons and angels DO NOT mix.
Glo
Hmmm, now that sounds like an idea -- an all frog tank. I've watched them at the lfs and they crack me up. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I think my beloved husband might get seriously grumpy if I get any more aquatic pets right now. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> But, but, honey, they're just little guys, and they're so ugly they're cute! :devil:
Nan
Yep they are kinda ugly but they are also hilarious
glo
I have had my ADF's for over a month and they seem to be doing fine. Ed & Edd are gray and kinda ugly, but Eddie is light colored with tons of spots. They get a little moody when they shed, but they are truly a comedy routine to watch. They live with a beta in a 5gal unheated filtered tank.
They LOVE Bloodworms - frozen. (I was also told by Walmart that they would just eat fish food, but I didnt buy that advice and did some investigating. ) They are as piggy as the betta- I cut a hunk off the frozen cube and put it in a little shot glass and take a new medicine dropper given to me by the vet and suck up some tank water, squirt it in the shot glass (several squirts) wait a couple of seconds for "the Thaw" and then suck up a shot and squirt it in the tank. The betta gets some, but so many come out at once 3/4 fall to the bottom and the frogs start hunting.... The betta seems to ignore it if falls to the bottom. The little frogs clean it up. I read that they like to "hunt at night" So I feed them (every other Day) before we go to bed and watch them eat for awhile and then turn off their light. So far so good, and So much fun. Stacie :rolleyes:
i know this thread is old and may not be monitored anymore but, i had to ask this.
i have had the same ADF 4/5 months now and just recently she started to be just as reactive to me as the bettas. however she has been in Deco Tank XL by herself with only an algae shrimp. for the longest time she would just hide insed the aquarium decoration of roman/greco ruins, only coming out for air and masybe food. anytime it was time to eat i cound't find her so i let her be. i usually tried fedding at night since theyre kinda nocturnal.
anyways, for the last week she seems to just come alive! her eyesight is pretty good for an ADF, she does have trouble seeing items too close to her though. but whenever i come around and she sees or hears me, she clambers over, turns her head to me, sometimes climbs nearly out the water to greet me. it's sooo cute. at first i thought she just wanted food, but she really just hangs out and even gives a lil "kiss" now n then.
the question i have is, has anyone ever had thier ADF or heard of an ADF interact this much with people? if so i'd LOVE to hear some tales!
Hello Mel,
I have 2 ADF's and I feed them both by hand..to be sure they get something to eat. They are so uncoordinated that the fish would get all the food before the frogs.
They have learned that I am the chuck wagon and they do come alive when they see my hand come over the top of the tank. It's funny to watch them start snapping at anything that comes near them..usually takes them about 10 tries before they actually latch on to something though..lol.
silly guys. they are too damned cute! i have a big female and wondered if i got her a friend if she would eat it? since the only ones i've seeing in the local store are so tiny.
speakingof snappig at anything that gets near them... my ADFs algae shrimp died yesterday, when i tried to suck it out, she scrambled over and took a huge snap at the sucker tube. in the process she ended up with half the shrimp's tail crammed in her mouth! i'm not sure that was purposeful or what but, it seemed like she was trying to swallow it anyways. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> she just looked at me as if to say, 'what happened?!' lol
well, after what you've said EMG, i'm a little let down. i was really hoping she saw me as more than just a free snack-ride. bleh. thanx for telling me the truth EMG. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
I replaced the ones that croaked, and ended up putting them into a tank by themselves - 3 together. They are hilarious. And they do seem to notice when I'm around.
I gave them some live bloodworms. They were quick as lightning, and not one of the bloodworms was missed. Two of them did a Lady and the Tramp bit. I thought I was going to die laughing.
I haven't seen them attack each other, they seem to get along very well. They tolerate the oto who seems to think they are part of the food. The oto will land on one of their backs and start sucking, and those froggies can move fast when motivated. LOL
Lol Mel..sorry dear...maybe I'm a bit too grounded in reality for some..oh well.
I do catch my two latching onto each other in thier efforts to catch whatever is floating by. I'm amazed that arms or legs havn't been ripped off yet with all that enthusiastic snapping and biting. They're such darlings..!
oh, EMG i didn't mean it that way. i'm sure everyone here kniws it sure makes a person feel good to know they're noticed for more than just a free meal. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
i think maybe she'll enjoy her small tank more if i got another frog.
i am curious though if anyone has ever put two or more frogs together in the same tank that were quite opposite in size?? i just don't want to get a frog and find it missing the next day, ya know. seeing how Frog (that's her current name) was able to get half an adult srimp in her mouth. would like to hear if anyone has. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
lol mel...no offense taken..really!
I have two in one bowl and one is a bit larger than the other..I think I have a male and female.
How big is your big one? I was wondering if maybe you have an african clawed frog instead of the dwarf one. They look pretty similar except the clawed frogs don't have webbing on thier front feet and thier eyes are..well..uglier! lol..They also get quite a bit bigger too.
If it is a clawed frog, it will most likely eat anything smaller than itself. If it's just a large dwarf..jeesh, I don't know if they turn canible or not! lol...you could try putting her with another and watch closely to see what they do and take a chance I guess.
They are fun critters to watch though! :-)
Mel,
One of my 3 is significantly larger than the others. I think she's eating more than the others. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I saw her sitting on top of a smaller male yesterday. The male looked very happy. LOL
I really don't think they're cannibals! They are "insectivores".
EMG, my ADF is a girl, she's just a large girl. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> no no, those clawed frogs are ugly. nearly bought one though, i just wanted an albino frog, then looking closely at it realised it was a clawed frog. no way was i having one of those around.
yeah, thanks Nann, EMG, think i'll go get her a lil' friend tomorrow!
I agree- I think it is a people thing. I can not figure if my AFD get excited to see me because they think they might get food or what. Lately they have been really spastic- more so than usual when they see me. Enjoy them. Stacie
yeah, i don't care anymore if she actually likes me or what. i just like to watch her wiggle and jump when i come over to say hi to everyone. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Hello everyone! <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" /> I'm new here and have been enjoying reading your posts. I have a question about my ADF, Hoppy. Hoppy entered my life in Feb. 2004 when my 4 y.o. niece begged me to get a playmate for Pebbles, my red betta. I've had Pebbles for about 2 years. They seemed to get along great. Believe it or not they have both been living in a large open top fish bowl. Hoppy has never shown any signs of trying to escape. Yesterday, I returned home from work to find Pebbles dead at the bottom of the tank. I had never noticed any signs of distress (that's a topic for another day). Anyway, today I returned home from work to find Hoppy chroaking, singing, making noises whatever you want to call it. Never has Hoppy attempted to be vocal before. Does anyone have any clue if keeping an ADF in with a Betta would stop the ADF from singing? Could Hoppy be expressing grief? Or maybe singing "Ding Dong the Witch is Dead" or his rendition of the Hallelujah chorus. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> Any ideas? I certainlly do not want to add another Betta if it will silence Hoppy.
Hello shadow, welcome to the forum! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
I don't know that much about ADF's..even though I have 2 of them. They have never shown any interest in being vocal even though I had the two of them together for a time. I believe I have a male and female because both are slightly different from each other..one larger and rounder and the other is more flat. You could have Hopper in a bowl by himself and if you get another betta just give him his own bowl too.
Gee, I can't imagine why your betta went belly up there shadow...two years is a good while to own a betta so I suppose it could have been age, but you'd think he'd show signs or something. Maybe he just couldn't take the change of having to share his bowl with another critter...bettas can be fussy about change.
Anyway, neat that Hopper is giving voice for you! I believe on one of these threads is a link to a site with lots of info on ADF's...could be one of the earlier posts on this thread or somewhere on the list in the first thread that says "read before you use this forum" Good luck finding it..lol...
Welcome again Shadow! Hope you enjoy this forum. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Shadow....I went back and found a site for you..hope you find the info you are looking for..here's the link:
http://allaboutfrogs.org/info/mypets/dwarfs.html Enjoy!!
i got a book about the ADFs and also went to a lot of websites and best i can figure when they sing they are usually a male frog looking for a mate. i had gotten interested in the frogs when i read the article on bettas and bottom feeder fish, but when i tried it i had too much trouble keeping a small tank (1.5 gallon) clean and i had one female betta and two frogs. i put the frogs in there own tank. everyone is happier now, the frogs seemed to stress my blue female. she just wasnt too sure about those things being in her domain. Unfortunatly im down to one frog, i lost one when i went on vacation. enjoy being serenaded
Thanks for the welcome and the info. Hoppy is still singing to beat the band. He has been much more active than I have ever seen before. Maybe Pebbles was a bit of a tyrant with him and I just never noticed.
Thanks again for the welcome!
Neat Shadow! (I used to have a horse named Shadow..boy I miss him!)
So glad Hopper is singing so nicely for you. You must have a really good home setup for him. I haven't heard my frogs sing yet. I have two in a 10 gallon with 1 male betta and some live plants and a drift log....no gravel. (MUCH easier to keep clean!) It sure looks like a good frog habitat...ah well, maybe they'll surprise me one day..or...I have two females! <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Either way they are fun to watch and I enjoy them lots! :love:
KScarlet....I LOVE your Icon!! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Welcome Shadow. I'd say if Hoppy is happy, and singing away, then things are good. I'd leave him alone to let him continue his chorus. How neat. Mine never sing! But they are also not alone in their tanks. maybe that is the secret.
Scarlet, I like your icon too!
I took a nice picture of one of my ADFs...it's posted on the rate a fish page. I linked to it here because I thought a thread about ADFs should have a picture of an ADF on it somewhere... <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
http://www.bellaonline.com/misc/rateme/photos/photo2069.jpg What a cutie! <img src="/images/graemlins/cool.gif" alt="" />
oh yours is so cute EMG. that looks like an adult huh?
did anyone get ADFs when they were tiny and be able to keep them 'til fully grown? just wondering.
Well, I'm guessing it's an adult. I have had these two for about 2 months now..they seem to be doing very well. I have them in a 10 gallon with some live plants, a drift log and two male betta, one in a hurricane lamp and one swimming around wherever he wants...lucky fella... <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
I bought a little ADF today and when I got to work (about 15 min from the LPS) he had expired. I tried to make the ride as jiggle free for my passanger as possible but I guess it wasn't enough. I don't know about getting another one...are they really that delicate?
Sorry to hear about your froggie. I think you just ended up with one that was ill. Bring him back to the store and they should get you a new one.
Here's some more frog talk, from another thread in this forum, that I locked:
http://www.bellaonline.com/forum/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=9;t=000262 now all the frog stuff is available here <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Well I went to a different pet store and payed a little more but at least I got a living frog. He's been doing good the past few days and he seems to enjoy wiggling into the java moss and water sprite and sticking in there all day. I guess he's practicing being a christmas ordament!
I can't tell if he eats or not. I put some food in the 5 gallon tank that he is in and had to leave it. There are no other fish to take care of uneaten food and it doesn't look like he smells the blood worms when I drop them in to the tank. So how many would you gals put in the tank and how often while it is just him?
you gotta watch for wormy things. it is best to give frogs live wormies but, they wiggle into the gravel n stuff when frog doesn't catch them right away. it's a tried and true method around here to use a straw or turkey baster or something similar to get the worms directly to frogs. try different things and see what works best for you. and welcome!!
Well I have frozen bloodworms...is that still okay to use as well? I've been feeding them to my betta as well and he seems to dig them. I don't have the stomach to deal with live wormies unless they are nightcrawlers:o)
I think I finally got the straw method down! Should I feed the frog until it is no longer intrested in food or are they like bettas in the fact that they are always hungry?
they are very much like bettas and will eat 'til they pop. if you think you might've over fed in one siting, i would just skip the next day. my frog hates it, but it's best for him. it isn't going to hurt the betas or the frog to skip a day or two, can even be good sometimes. and yes, frozen blood worms are fine, just i hear the freeze dried kind can cause tummy problems for them.
ENJOY!!
I lost 2 of my 4 froggies in the tank yesterday. One was the tiniest new baby -- he was mostly eaten when I found him.
The other silly frog had crawled up into my ceramic decoration in the tank, got lost and died. Eeeewww. Nasty. <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />
So, I've about decided to get rid of the snail shells and ceramic decorations with holes in the bottom that my critters crawl up into and die. I lost another oto in a snail shell last week. :angel:
Nan
I have my frogs in a tank with no gravel. I suppose if you are feeding your ADFs live worms, not having gravel would help them to find the worms. Could be a problem if you have fish in there with them however.
I finally put my betta in a hurricane lamp in the tank so that he wouldn't be eating up the frog's food. I did try cupping him until the frogs were done eating, but then I would forget to let him back in the tank..lol..poor guy.
Another of my ADFs died. :angel: I swear, I don't get it. I try to keep them happy and healthy, they seem fine, and then they're dead. I have one ADF in an AquaView tank with one oto right now, and am debating about whether to move him or just leave him be. He swims up to the surface when I approach his tank, and will also do his Zen pose with his chin on the wall of the tank. So cute.
The tiny ADF in Pinky's tank seems to be doing well also. He hides out a lot, but when I come close to that tank, he shows up, flitting up and down the side, almost like he's saying, "pay attention to me".
I really like the little guys and wish I could figure out what's wrong and how to keep them alive. :beamedup:
Nan, my ADF does teh same thing. it's so cute, she sees me and will lift her head towards me, then crawls or jumps over to say "hi"! lately though she's been hiding and shedding her skin. she's in the same tank with my 'tude, who is not feeling well. i'm kinda wondering if this is a sort of depression (due to the cherry barbs dying) or if his tumors are getting to him. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
we're trying to make things as comfortable as possible for them both. Frog, just might be upset that 'Tude doesn't snuggle with her like he used to. *shrug*
My ADFs will follow anything that moves. They are so clumbsy and awkward I wonder how on earth they ever survive in the wild..lol. They do know how to find the food though..I think they smell it when I put it in the tank because they come crawling out of where ever they are hiding as soon as it floats down to the bottom. I don't have any gravel in the bottom of thier tank...makes it easier to clean...and I can also see when they eat all the food so I can let poor betta fry out of his cup when they are finished.
I use a chopstick to guide these guys/gals <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> to the food and they STILL can't see it when it's right in front of them..lol. They just keep snapping and gulping until they get something...by shear luck. They follow the chop stick and snap at it too..lol. What a funny creature these things are. I recently saw some red bellied newts...hhmmm...wouldn't they look good in with some of these frogs in a nice anphibian tank with some live plants and drift logs and maybe a small fish or two....
hey! thats a great idea EMG!!
go for it! that could be lots of fun to have/watch once everything cycles. i wonder if itll work to create its own environment like in a plant terrraium?
i know i posted this under a different topic but, thought it was better suited here. :::
i have noticed lately since the weather starting getting cooler (even though i have a heater in the tank set to 82F) that Frog has been shedding her skin alot and hiding in the plants. so far she's shed 3 skins. it could be a kind of winter thing like hibernation.
i haven't checked the water yet for abnormalities since i'm busy. i still change the water regularly and it's about time for a cleaning. if anyone knows if these guys go through a winter hibernation i'd like to know.
other than that she's fine. the last few days she's been acting more herself but still shedding. her apptite is fine and i found her hovering on one foot staring at 'Tude in the hospital tank. usually she likes to hang out in the filter vent with one or two legs in it, kinda sucked up against it. scared me a few times. dork.
Mel,
That would be fun to give a try..that amphibian tank..however...lol...I just made that new 5 gallon tank I picked up this week into a 3 way divided tank for...guess what...more BETTAS!! :rolleyes:
Yeah...I decided that I just can't get enough of these things..I think I am turning one of my friends into a bettanut while I'm at it...(hee..hee..hee) She was just here a bit ago admiring my fish and thinking about making changes to her tank..(she has 3 of my betta fry!) She also wanted to know if the lady I got that 5 gallon from..had any more...LOL!
I'm tellin Ya...this is very catchy! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
i think you're turning ME into a betta nut! <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" /> i'm really considering turning the 10gl tank i have laying around into a segmented one like yours.
Oh Mel...DO it !! LOL!
I just made a 5 gallon into a divided tank and have 3 of my best fry in there. My ultimate best of the best has the middle slot! He's gorgeous!! Just wish I could post a pic of him. He has HUGE crowntail fins and his caudel fin is almost a full circle, though he isn't a halfmoon, he comes darn close! His dorsel is also wide and full. I have a female that is colored very similar to him...dark dark steel blue with black fin edging which flows down the rays. Can't wait to see what that pairing brings.
tell you what, if i find another 2.5gl (i now have two), i'll split one for fish and uae the last for an amphibian tank of sorts. right now i'm using my 10gl tank for fresh water.
Heya, Im new here lol... and I'm just posting around to see if this is such a good idea.
I'm cleaning out a 20 long tank. Once that's done I plan on redoing the substrate to sand (the stuff that only maintains ph, doesn't change it) on top of a layer of eco-complete, installing a DIY co2 system, adding live plants, and adding a new submersible filter so I can have the water a couple inches below the top of the tank (to eliminate the possibility of a frog somehow finding a way through a glass top completely covering the tank, minus holes that allow for circulation of air).
Now my questions are:
1) What kinds of plants should I be growing for ADFs that aren't too invasive?
2) The only tankmates for these ADFs would be a pair of ottos for cleanup. How many ADFs would be ideal for a 20long tank? I'm planning on understocking it quite a bit (I made the mistake of overstocking when I first began, which led to more tanks, lol) However, I do want a decent sized group of these guys (5+ is what I'm hoping for =)
3) Will these guys do ok with sand? I ask this because of my experiences with Fire-bellied toads. One of them had swallowed sand, which formed a bowel impaction, which the poor guy later died from.
4) Is a heater safe for ADFs? I have one in there now, and was planning on leaving it in there for the ottos, but if it isn't safe for them, I'll just get an ancistrus pleco (If I can find one, they're pretty hard to find in my area).
5) Behavior. What should I be expecting the first days these guys are in their new home? What should I be expecting once these guys are all settled in?
6) Are plants required for these guys? I know live plants are better, but they cost a TON (new, more powerful lighting ($60), the co2 tank and system ($60-70), special substrate ($20), the plants themselves ($30), may as well buy another tank...)
I've learned my lesson on impulse buying, so now I do all the research I can before bringing home pets lol
Any help is greatly appreciated =D
Great idea HV about doing the research before diving in..lol ! (if I had known how adictive bettas are, I may have thought twice about caving to my daughter's pleads :rolleyes: )
I"m sorry that I can't give you much info on the ADFs...I have a couple myself and they seem to be doing very well..but I really don't know that much about them. I concentrate mostly on the bettas. There may be someone else in this forum that knows more about them than I do, but here is a link with some info, perhaps you can find something helpful there. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
http://www.pipidae.net/david/
High Voltage,
Your thoughts are way past my experience. I have 2 ADFs right now, in different tanks. I discovered when trying to feed Froggle's oto that the ADF loves algae disks. No wonder the poor oto starved. :angel: He was floating in the tank this morning, and Froggle was very chubby. :rolleyes:
I have learned that the other ADF I have in Pinky's former tank also likes the algae disks. He's a tiny little guy - very cute, almost black. Froggle is more gray/brown, and is very active since the oto died. I think he didn't like the frog bites I was feeding him.
welcome High Voltage! i think i can answer a few of your questions.
1st .:
ADFs can pretty much be with most plants. however, when planning for plants, the things you really need to be concerned about are PH, temperature, light and nutrient compatabilty. i mean, it's not gonna work out if you have some plants that need alot of light, low temps, lots of nutrients, can only be partially submersed and high PH mixed with ADFs that need moderate temps and low to moderate light, middle-of-the-road PH just for example.
from experience and research, also have to be carefule about which plants are being sold in stores. i have found that many plants being sold as aquarium planting, fully submersed are actually not suited at all for aquariums. unless you're a pro at planted aquariums, it is really hard to keep these "false" aquarium plants alive, let alone thriving.
for example i was captured by the beauty of some Aluminum plant cuts i saw at the LFS. took them home only to find out i was duped. despite efforts, they died after 2 weeks. Aluminum plants are NOT to be fully submersed, it's a very pretty plant that grows in seasonal marshes. places that get flooded for short periods of time.
do alot of research. keeping an eye out for plants that will not only be compatible with your ADF's care requirements, but also match your level of care commitment and skill. not to forget visual appeal. try some of these sites, they were helpful to me, a newbie to aquarium planting. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Aquatic Plant FAQs Aquarium Plants for the Student Bedget Light requirements for Aquatic Plants these are just a few to get an idea.
2nd .:
i would say for tank mates, again keep in mind compatibility to ADF car requirements, over stocking, species' general behavior and rule of thumb - if the frog fits, they will eat it.
3 .:
i have been seeing some forum posts about sand digestion and ADFs. alot of mixed opions and health concerns. since you're not new to ADFs, your familiar with their fedding techniques. they hunt, snapping mouth agaped. they have no tongues.
anyways, because of this method it is not uncommon that an ADF may accidentally snatch up a peppble or bit-O-sand. in the wild this too occurs and is passed through if bits are small enough. aware of this, some ADF owners use fine grain sand. seems to make sense to me, although there are many reports of sand digestion to also cause compaction problems resulting in death.
if you really would like to use sand as substrate for the plants, i might suggest a thin layer of pepples (or whatever) on top of the sand. remember to keep the size of pepples just large enough to not be easily swallowed, nor too large and deffinitely not sharp. ADF skin is fragile.
4 .:
heaters are great for ADFs since they prefer a comfy 76F - 80F temps. i have used both glass tube heater (adjustable temp control) and plastic/rubber encased (non adjustable) heaters with my ADF. my ADF preferred the glass one, as she would cozy up to the suction cups to sleep sometimes. generally i think most heaters are fine for ADFs, unless you've got unstable decorations that might break a glass tube heater. honestly, if you're really concerned about ADFs getting burned, i would go for a wire floor heater setup. it goes on the bottom of the tank before you add substrate. it is also observed that this sort of heater setup is greatly beneficial to plant root growth.
5 .:
for your question on behavior. i would suggest holding off adding ADFs until all plants are planted and tank has cycled. this gives the plants time to adjust, begin healthy growth and actively growing plants aid alot in the cycle process by absorbing nitrites/nitrates as nutrients. once the plants stabalize themselves they will also speed things up with oxygen production.
so, when everything has cycled, stabalized and growing nicely, you decide to slowly acclimate the ADFs... you should keep in mind that just like us, they have their own personalities. generally though, the first few days might be stressful for them so i would expect skittishness, loss of appetite and alot of hiding. it's been suggested to have at least one tank side a backdrop, helps to relax them and i wouldn't constantly peer into tank checking on them for 2 days.
after a few days to a week, i would expect the ADFs to be hungry and begin to feel safe in their new home. maybe they'll explore the new place, new tank mates, socialise and whatever else ADFs do.
other things i read that aid in ADF relaxation/stress relief are things like having tank location where there's no loud noise, frequent on/off of lights, heavy traffic (say a living/family room where parties or kids are frequent). i learned this myself, my poor ADF stopped greeting me and would hide almost all the time when i moved the tank from corner bar area to kitchen counter (counter seperated living room hub from kitchen).
deffinitely NO bumping or tapping the tank, even if you think one might be dead. keep hands out of tank for the first week while they adjust, amphibians have delicate systems and when stressed can easily get sick.
something else i recently read that i thought was cool. amphibians need colour. interestingly enough researchers/herpatology enthusists observed that amphibians need a multicoloured environment. too much of any one colour affects their emotional health. in some cases may lead to breeding problems as well as behaviors associated with anxiety disorders, depression and other such neurosies.
dunno, perhaps this is all part of the camoflauge they developed to better the chances of survival. so when in captivity a lack of colour/patterns creates stress, a kind of instinct to be aware that they stand out like a sore thumb. easy pickings for a predator. that's just my opion.
6 .:
i don't think live plants are a necessary. of course they're benificial, nicer, more "homey" for the tank, but many hobbyists use silk plants instead. what they deffinitely need are places to hide in when they feel insecure or ill, specially so if you're using a light. they also need shady spots, adequate (but gentle) air circulation and very clean environment.
and as for those price quotes for plants you mentioned, i think that's a serious rip off. you can find plants for as little as $2 in most major pet store chains. yes, they're not the best of quality but better than nothing.
hope all of this (yes, i knnow it's alot) helps you and others.
Hi, I just got two African Dwarf Frogs yesterday (we called them Siegfried and Roy) and have been doing all the things we've read about as well as following the care instructions from the place we bought them from. Their tank was fine but today we purchased a small rock cave (which they really like) and another plastic plant to give them more things to hide behind. They have a bottom gravel filter system (is that what you call it?) but there are now a lot of small bubbles on the surface. It wasn't too bad yesterday and today until we added the extra things in the tank and I made sure to wash everything thoroughly (no soap, just water) prior to putting them in there. There is a wee bit of food that is at the bottom of their tank which I put in earlier today for them (they don't seem to interested in food right now - although one of the boys ate a skin he'd shedded (yech, wasn't expecting that quite so early on LOL) so not sure if it's the food or what the deal is. I added a few drops (per the directions) of a chemical that helps wit the water (removing chlorine etc) yesterday and like I said, aside from that, everything's fine so am curious as to why it's so bubbly all of a sudden and if this is dangerous or will dissipate on it's own.
Oh, my other question (if this isn't the right thread to post please let me know <img src="/images/graemlins/blush.gif" alt="" /> ) ) is: how often do you clean the gravel to remove waste, skin and importantly, uneaten food? The person at the pet store said do it every two weeks but I've heard others say more frequently etc. She also said to remove about 1/4 of the water every two weeks when cleaning it but I should leave the guys in there when I clean. I'd rather put them in a kind of holding tank while I clean and would welcome comments on this. Again, if this isn't the right thread please re-direct me. Thanks a million.
Hello Aka..welcome to the forum!
Congrats on your new tank buds! I have two ADFs myself. I wouldn't worry too much about the bubbles on the surface. It may be from the water conditioner that you added. I know when I am filling a bucket and add the conditioner the water starts to bubble up as I fill the bucket. The tanks that I have the bubblers in.. (undergravel filter)..I twine plastic plants together into a wreath and put them over the top of the bubbler tube..to try to cut down on water movement in the tank. It also helps to keep the bubbles at bay.
As far as cleaning...depends on what size tank you have them in. If it's a one gallon, I would syphon out the bottom at least once a week, maybe twice..depending on how dirty it gets. When I do a seriously cleaning I do take my frogs out and put them in a bowl during the process but I don't usually take them out when I syphon out the bottom. I think the only reason it was suggested you leave them in is because these critters can be pretty quick and in chasing them around the tank with a net they could get injured. Other than that I see no reason why you couldn't take them out. Just put them in a bowl with water from the tank and the new water should be the same temp as the water you took out. If it isn't you could float your frogs in their bowl in the tank until the water comes to the same temp.
Hope this helps Ak <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Hiya,
Thanks for the warm welcome. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Well by this morning the bubbles were to the top of the glass and some were coming out of the small feeding hole so we had to take the larger of the two plants out (the one Siegfried loves to hide in or sit near the surface). The leaves would breach the top of the water near the filter so I'm not sure if this was causing a problem. It's so frustrating as my frogs really liked the plant. Also, it's pretty cloudy so I guess tonight I'll suck the gravel etc. Is that all I should do then for the cloudiness? Sorry for my ignorance. Just wanting to make sure I'm not goofing up. Do you think I should take a water sample over to Petco to be safe?
A
Also you said you take your frogs out with a net. At the pet store they told me to take them out with my hand which I did (carefully) - what is better for the guys? I noticed that Roy has a couple of kinda shrivelled little toes on one of his hind legs (looks like it happened awhile ago) so isn't as strong as swimmer as Siegfried but he does ok. Will it heal or regen?
Akashaonly,
It sounds like you're on the right track with your ADFs. They are very cute, shedding can happen in a new environment, and not to worry.
As Emg said, the frogs can be very fast, so, I always use a net to get them. But if you can catch them with your hand, go for it.
I wouldn't worry about Roy's foot, as long as he's active and eating, I think he's probably fine. Not sure if it will grow back, it may be permanent.
Welcome!
Nan
i've learned from reading and experience, that if you do handle the frogs by hand ALWAYS make sure your hands are clean. as frog skin is very delicate and it does absorb stuff, you wouldn't want chemicals on your hand to get to them. also, make sure your hand is a bit wet so they don't tear skin.
and welcome.
i lost my ADF a few weeks ago due to a scrape infection that resulted in a very slow progression to RedLeg. very sad to lose her.
it all started as a scrape she got on her nose, prolly from getting spooked while shedding. they can hurt themselves when panicking. i didn't see the scrape until it was already red, bleeding and looking not so good. it was all down hill from there. overall while i battled the infection, it took about a month before it was beyond help and i had to euthanize her in the freezer. poor girl, she just kept lookin' at me for help and i tried so hard.
lesson for all, to always check out your ADFs for ANY little thing odd.
Awe Mel....Poor little girl! <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Thanks for the heads up on the infection risk. It's always a good idea to check out our buds regularly for such things. They can be so easy to miss, especially when they are so small.
well the bubbles are still nutsy so I'm off to PetSmart to get a water analysis and talk to the frog lady there and get her opinion. Other than that the boys are doing well. Going to buy a syphon thingy that they have so i can clean the little rocks/gravel tonight. Thanks everyone again - I really appreciate all the info. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Edited to add: I guess the filter was too strong (at least that's what the girl at the store thought). We were going to try the piece of pantyhose and rubber band idea someone here suggested but fell in love with a 5 gallon hexagon acrylic tank that we could actually HEAT for the little blokes so we picked that up instead. We might get another two ADFs for hubby (since Sieggy and Roy are my boys *G*) since there's way more room in this tank. We won't move them into the new one until tomorrow night to give the heater a chance to warm things up and the water to settle etc too). They are much more active tonight (even little Roy) so I guess they're starting to relax. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> I'm having second thoughts about taking them to work (the whole reason I bought them in the first place) - I think I'll keep them at home.
Lol Aka....
A trip to the fish store can be hazardess to your wallet! Don't I just know it!!! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Hey there. This is Akashaonly's Hubby (didn't see the need for two separate acocunts here... :0))
Question: I am a little worried about algae and other growth and was considering buying a small algae-eater (fish) for their 5 gal tank. Anyone have any insight on whether or not this is a good or bad (or even necessary) idea?
Thanks!
Mr, Akashaonly.
No..it's a good idea Aka's Hubby! Glad to have you aboard! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
What other fish are in the tank? Do you have algae already? That's important, because if you get an algae eater, there has to be something in there for him/her to eat. If not, there are algae waffers you can buy until some shows up...which it most likely will sooner or later....or you can wait until it crops up before you buy one.
If you have one betta in the 5 gallon, you can get an oto cat or cory cat to bud up with him. The betta may give it a hard time at first, but after a few swipes he'll get used to it and leave it alone..but keep an eye on them for awhile to be sure. Sometimes a betta can be overly aggressive and not like anything in with it...but I have found that most will tolerate a bit of company.
Enjoy Mr Aka! Have fun picking out a tank bud! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
No other fish. No algae (yet). Just thinking wholly preventative here. I don't want to do anything that would endanger either the ADF's or the algae eater (should I get one). I don't know about adding algae wafers to the frogs' environment...
Thanks for the warm welcome and advice! Now to go and look at a few more frogs... :beamedup:
MR. AKA
Ah..that's right, you have ADF's..I sometimes forget who's who here..lol.
Hmm...I have never had experience with algae eaters and ADFs...what about snails? YOu could get one of those and I think it would work out well. You would have to make sure you get one of those non hermephrodite snails though..lol. If you'r not careful you can end up with a tankful of snails. Do some web research to find out what types of snails are not overlyproductive so they don't infest your tank.
Actually..I think snails will go rather nicely with ADFs... <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Heh - no worries. I actually thought of snails as well but worried about them dying and then the frogs getting caught in their shells.
I guess I'll wait to see if there is even an algae issue before pondering this further. As it stands, these two (maybe soon to be four) ADF's are in their own heated (hovering at about 79/80 degrees) 5 gal tank (Eclipse HEX5) with the BIO-Wheel 3 stage filteration system. With all this stuff, I almost feel guilty NOT having fish. :rolleyes:
Thanks for your replies, EMG.
Mr. Aka
PS: Thanks for the nickname for my signature too. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
EDIT: Just got back from PestSmart where we bought 2 more frogs. A small, nice looking fellow and a HUGE sassy-looking one.
So now we are the proud owners of: Seigfried and Roy, and Lenny and Squiggy!! :rolling:
Happy to ablige Mr A. !
That really huge one...wouldn't be an african CLAWED frog by any chance would it?.. <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
They look very similar to the ADFs but they don't have webbing between thier front fingers and thier eyes are buggy looking. Personally, I think the clawed frogs are pretty ugly..but that's just my opinion..lol
Just thought I'd ask, because the clawed frogs get pretty big and would probably EAT the ADFs
No - definately an ADF. Probably full grown and female though. She's not that much bigger than the others... just fatter. :rolleyes:
Aren't African Clawed Frogs illegal now?
This morning they are all in their little tree... in the same hole. Huddling. But I guess that's what they do.
Still not sure exactly when to feed them. Or what, for that matter. I have dried brine shrimp (I knew all those Sea Monkeys ads in the back of those comics would come in handy one day!) which float or frog-bites, a sinking pellet food. Last time I fed Siegfried and Roy, they really liked the shrimp. I haven't really tried with the additional two in the tank yet. Since we just got them last night I assumed they were probably too stressed to eat.
But now it's morning and I don't want to starve the little buggars. I also don't want to be cleaning the tank more often then I have to, either.
Wondering how often others feed their froggies...?
Mr. AKA
I only feed my frogs every other day. I actually feed them betta pellets...the kind that sink to the bottom. They seem to be doing quite well on them too.
I had the frogs in my betta tank to clean up the extra food that the fish missed, which they did rather well, but they ended up soiling the tanks up so I gave them thier own little home.
I don't think the clawed frogs are illegal where I am because I see them in all the fish stores. I'm in New England..but maybe they are where you live. If you live in a warmer climate that could be why they would outlaw them. If they got into the environment they might survive and cause all kinds of trouble. Here, the winter would kill them off.
Mr. AKA,
I have found that my frogs really like algae! I put a disk in with mine to feed the oto, but the frog ate it instead! The oto and frogs seem to ignore each other, and the tanks stay cleaner longer that way. And they sort of match with the brownish black color of the oto. I also feed frog pellets, but they don't seem to like them as much. When I got some bloodworms they were in froggie heaven! I was in hysterics watching a frog eat the worm like spaghetti!
The clawed ADFs are illegal in Calif. because some did get out into the environment and devastated several water ecologies.
Nan
Hey......
I fixed up a new tank for my ADFs. I have decided not to breed any more betta. Lost the whole last batch to some strange little dots and have decided for now that it takes too long for them to grow out and it's alot of work.
I've decided to go for other critters. I got a 15 gallon tank with lighted hood from a friend. I have it all set up and am cycling it now with two of my female betta..going to make it a community tank or chichlids, can't decide yet.
I made the 10 gallon into a habitat for my ADFs...and I bought them a little bud!
http://www.bellaonline.com/misc/rateme/photos/photo2313.jpg Isn't he so CUTE!!
It's a fire bellied newt..or red bellied newt. I saw them awhile back in the fish store, knew I would eventually get one...and...so I did...lol.
Ten gallons is too much for 2 little frogs and I needed something with some color in there. Thought this guy was perfect! ONly thing is I have to get something that reaches out of the water for him to bask on. Right now I just have some plants floating around on the surface for him to climb onto..but I'm sure he'd rather have a rock or something.
Hhmmm...I have an idea for making a place for him to get out of the water....
I think I will silicon a plexiglass platform at about water level. Somthing I can place some nice moss and wet loving plants on...I can't wait to get going with that..lol. Maybe I can add a peaceful room temp loving fish in there too..
Target sells Sea Monkey kits or go to their website.
i had been hearing some cool things on About.com, including this nice little forum thread about tank background alternatives. given me the idea to take some of the cork talked about and using it to create a "naturalesque" tank for some amphibians i plan on getting. works well with full water tanks too.
check it out!
About.com - Tank Backgrounds
Those are some neat ideas Mel!
The cork idea interested me too, but I don't know about using wire...I think metal is bad in tanks..though I have heard that you could use copper if you let it sit for awhile in salted water or something..but not sure.
I thought the rock idea intersting..lol..but I can't imagine gluing rocks to my tank. It must look pretty cool though, especially when you put plants all over it.
Hi guys,
We cleaned our 5 gallon hexagon tank the other day (we have 4 ADFs in there) as it was getting cloudy so followed all instructions from the pet store people and what we�ve read here and siphoned the gravel and removed about 20% of water. WE found our frogs do NOT care for the frog pellets which I�m sure majorly contributed to the cloudiness since they no doubt fell into the gravel cracks on the bottom of the tank so now we only feed them the brine shrimp and freeze dried blood worms (they like to come to the surface to eat the funny buggars lol). Anyway, the siphon size is not the mini but the next one up as the pet store person said the mini was pretty useless and we should go with the next size up for our tank but frankly we barely got 3% of the gravel clean as it removed water quite quickly. We got some sediment out but didn�t feel that it cleaned the gravel too much.
Three days later the water is still pretty cloudy and since the cleaning stirred up all these tiny tiny bits of whatever they are constantly floating around the tank (stirred up from the bottom I guess?)
Is this typical of a tank and are we worrying too much? It�s not greatly cloudy but still cloudy nonethless.
Also how often should my tank be getting cloudy? Bc it was barely two weeks so I hope all is ok. I don�t mind changing the water but I was just worried.
Should I be scooping the net across the water after 10 mins or so after feeding? Curious.
On another note hubby called me last night in a panic bc he thought Lenny had a broken leg. I ran immediately to the living room to look (we were worried that perhaps she panicked when we did the water change the day before and maybe had hurt herself) and her leg was twisted back sickeningly. She was completely still like she couldn�t move and at a really weird looking pose. She tried to move and honestly her back leg looked disgustingly twisted (in reverse) over her back and she couldn�t swim properly then the leg suddenly was ok and the OTHER LEG started doing it.
We were both like �OH NO� and then suddenly hubby says, �OH she�s just shedding�. My stomach lurched. I turned away to hear him say �Oh yep, and there she goes, now she�s eating it�. LOL I love our little frogs but egad that always makes my stomach do a flip!
Anyway, we�re such newbie dorks ready to rush our froggy to emergency. lol They�re quite the contortionists!
Akasha,
I don't want to watch my frogs eat their skin either. Eeeww!
If the water is being filtered and still gets cloudy, that's something to be concerned about. If it's not, the frogs swimming can cause teeny bits to float in the water too.
Yes, if they haven't eaten it in 10 minutes, they probably won't, so removing uneaten food will help keep the water cleaner.
Nan
Is there a place to post pics of one's froggies if so desired?
A
good question aka!!!
i still have a few cute ones left over from when my little girl was still around, plus i now have a skittish lil' Spotted Floating Frog a.k.a. Rice Paddy Frog. not as cute as ADFs and certainly far more skittish. discovered this tiny lil' guy just loves boiled Katydid. more on that in a seperate post though.
Nan: i find that interesting about Clawed Frogs being illegal, there was pet store i went selling albino ones. now i don't if albino Clawed Frogs cannot breed or what, but...
Mel...Were they albino ADFs or those ugly clawed frogs? I have never seen albino ADFs but have seen plenty of albino clawed frogs...(nasty ugly critters...lol)
Ak..you can post pictures of your frogs on the fish page of the "rate a pic" site. If it goes in an aquarium it's "fish" material...lol. I've posted some pics of my frogs and of the red bellied newts I have on the 'fish' page, so, go for it! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
not ADFs, deffinitely Clawed buggers. and they are ugly. the new anti-social frog i got has a cute little frog body sorta like an ADF, but eyes like the Clawed frog. weird combo.
soon as i get back into the office i'll begin the uploading
i have soooo many pics it might take 'til the end of the week to finish. fyi
so, EMG (and readers) here's a little FYI...
the design you and i have for the amphibian tanks, found out it's commonly called a River Tank.
in which the goal is to get all three levels of habitat are met in a smoothe, natural, blended manner. the three basic levels of habitat wold be water, land, atmosphere (Tree Life is what i wanna call it).
so if you wwanna do a search for tips or ideas, look under River Tank.
OH NO...
At the advice of the petstore we bought a bottle of "Algae Destroyer" so I could add some to our 5 gallon tank to help keep the algae at bay (we've been getting some growth on two of the silk plants that are in there and altho I clean them in the weak bleach solution (followed by the declorinating stuff to remove all harmful chemicals before returning the plants to the tank) it keeps coming back. The petstore gal said to follow the directions and put it in at the first sign of new algae.
I shook the container well and put in a 1/2 teaspoon full as directed but it was weird when it hit the water and my froggies (we have 4) think it's food and have started eating it! I'm totally freaked as the bottle says hazardous to humans and domestic animals - what about my frogs? It's already dissipating but they have eaten some - is this reason to be concerned?
Anyone have any thoughts on this. Darn, I should have fed the fellas first.
A
I don't know Ak.....guess you'll have to wait and see. As far as my experience with these frogs go...they eat anything that moves as long as they are able to move to pursue it. They are real water hogs! So I don't think it would have mattered if you fed them before hand.
You might try doing more frequent water changes to keep the algea at bay Ak...or try feeding your critters once a day or a bit less each feeding. Algae feeds off of excess nutrients in the water from decayed plants, uneaten food and fish poo.
Hope your little ADFs fair well. Let us know.
Well we do a 20% water change ever week or every other week (the ammonia level was higher than we'd like at one point bc the tank was new they said) so we were doign that per instructions. We feed them every other day and try not to feed too much. It's really only on the silk plants which the pet store said can harvest algae quicker than a lot of othe rplants and they have the same issue with their own plants that are in tanks too so that's how they treat em. well let's hope it's ok for the little guys...argh.
:rolling:
I wonder if you put a little otocinclus in there to take care of the algae, if that wouldn't help some. I think they would be o.k. with the ADFs.
addition...."I hate algae!"
Well, sad to say we lost one of our four froggies this week.
Siegfried was found belly up in the tank a few mornings ago. My favorite little guy, Roy (whom we got with Siegfried (Roy has a curled up little foot) is doing ok, as seem the other two, Lenny & Squiggy but our ammonia level in the tank is hovering btwn stress and harmful according to the petstore. It's been more than a month now, and we're adding the drops we've been told to to help with the bacteria etc but it's very frustrating. We try not to overfeed (we feed every other day) and scoop the surface for food plus siphon the gravel and do a 20% water change every Friday. We did a 50% water change last Friday per the petstore's instructions plus upped the amount of stress zyme we put in the tank to help with the bacteria.
Argh...so frustrating. Has anyone else had similar problems when first having frogs? Our tank is a 5 gallon hexagon and we have a bio wheel and a heater (which tends to fluctuate from 74 to 80 which drives me batty).
RIP Siggy...
Any signs to look out for that my froggies may be having a hard time iin the tank? <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Roy floats alot, he has always liked to just glide up on the surface with legs spreadeagled (he eats this way too) but the other two tend to stick down the bottom. I thought they were all doing well aside from that. *sigh* We treat the water with the salt, algae destroyer, stress zyme and all the stuff we're told to do so it's getting so frustrating. i feel so bad that the water isn't good for them right now.
Actually, ADFs don't really need a heater in thier tanks. They do just fine in room temp water. You might try taking the heater out.
Perhaps try 2 30% water changes a week until the ammonia spike passes. IF this is a new tank it just may be a regular cycling occurance. I know in my fry tank I had a heck of a time keeping the ammonia down for awhile. You might try a few live plants in there if there's enough lighting to keep them happy. Though you would have to be careful to take out any decaying leaves and such because that would just add to the ammonia, which you don't want.
Either a couple of bigger water changes a week or one small water change a day or every other day might help Ak, but you don't want to take out too much or you end up taking out all the good bacteria that is trying to grow along with the ammonia. It's a tricky business, cycling a tank..lol....good luck!
Froggle gave me a big smile this morning. I put Betta Bites in the tank and he was up on his back legs, fully stretched out in the middle of the tank. Normally, he'd be leaning on the side of the tank, but for whatever reason, he was just there, maybe planning to jump up. Instead, Buddy swam by, created some kind of current, and Froggle fell right on his little frog butt. If a frog could look shocked, he did. :devil:
Nan in Soggy San Diego
Lol Nann....these little guys are never very coordinated to begin with..lol...all it takes is a little 'breeze' to knock them over...haha!
Hello all. I come bringing sad, sad news.
We've lost Roy - my wife's favorite frog. He was fine yesterday - and even earlier this evening I saw nothing wrong with him. Then I happened to look into the bottom of the tank (a habit now that we've lost one other already) and lo and behold, Roy was belly-up.
As I attempted to remove him from the tank he MOVED slightly. We've moved him and the other two to a holding tank but the prognosis is not good. I seriously doubt he'll survive throughout the night.
Our amonia levels refuse to dip below toxic, no matter what we do. 25%, 50% water chantges - stress-zyme up the wazoo... our nitrate and all aother issues were nil but we could never get the damn tank to cycle and could NOT get the amonia levels to drop. To make things worse, we thought we were helping the frogs by making sure to vaccuum the rocks when cleaning the tank but that, we've just discovered, counteracts any attempts you've made to lower amonia levels. In the end I feel we made the tank a toxic deathbed rather than a home. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
We have decided to keep the other two in the sick tank for a while to see if that helps. My wife still has hope that Roy will be alive in the morning but I think we both know the reality of the situation.
I just thought I'd share the news. I'll update more as the issue continues.
MR. AKA
Ak, sorry to hear about Roy, but who knows, frogs are amazing critters...
I am not that knowledgeable about cycling since most of my tanks are one gallon betta homes..I just do frequent water changes on them. Maybe you could just let that tank set for awhile with the filter going and see what happens to the levels. I know there is a way to cycle a tank with no fish in it by using an ammonia source..some use a piece of hamburger others just add regular ammonia to the tank....since your tank is so full of ammonia already maybe if you just let is set and keep an eye on the levels....it will take care of itself and when it does you'll have a fully cycled tank. As long as there are no animals in the tank I don't think you need do water changes during this process.
AKA,
My sympathies on the loss of your frogs. It's tough when all you want to do is care for them. I've lost a few along the way myself. I hope Roy makes it.
Nan
Thank you both.
However, Roy passed away last night. After a brief eulogy and some hushed prayers we buried him at sea.
<img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
Mr. AKA
On another note, I spoke with someone today who suggested getting a few small fish such as Neon Greens or White Clouds to help lowqer the amonia levels. I may do that and see what I can do before I even contemplate buying more frogs.
No sense in sentencing more to an undeserved death.
Danios also are a good fish to use for cycling a tank....they are very hardy but you need to get them as a goup of at least 4, 6 is better as they are a schooling fish.
Good luck there Ak ! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Just checking to see if I can link a picture from another site to here. I have another forum I go to that allows you to upload pictures to your profile page.
http://wetwebfotos.com/usermedia/high/4/6434_11.jpg This is a pic of my fire bellied newts home. Most of the time they hang out on top under a plant I have in there. I also have a female betta down in the bottom..the one that didn't get along well in the tank with my other females.
I did have two ADFs in there but they kept snapping at the fish and I was afraid they'd make a meal of her. The water level doesn't allow her to get up beyond thier reach.
Yeah it worked ! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Now I don't have to keep piling up the pics at the rate a fish site..lol...
ADF's snapping at your fish???? how big were they? are you sure they were ADF's and not african clawed frogs instead? (the two can EASILY be mistaken until they reach full size) ADF's will "attempt" to defend themselves from your fish if necessary though due to thier size they have little luck at this (which is why they need plenty of hiding places) but african clawed frogs will get larger and eventually eat anything small enough to fit in their mouths, including small fish
anita
Lol anital...no, they are ADF's and they're not that big but they do snap at just about anything that moves...piggy little things. I actually feed them freeze dried tubefex worms by hand...to try and keep the girls(my female bettas) from taking it away from them.
I've seen those clawed frogs and they're ugly..and get way huge! These have webbing between their front feet and also don't have the buggy eyes that the clawed frogs have..
hi EMG
agreed. i dont like the look of clawed frogs myself but have seen baby clawed frogs in the same tank as ADF's a few times at small pet stores and both being sold as ADF's. if someone who did not know the difference, or didnt look closely, they might not catch the difference until it was too late <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />
I agree with you there...they do look alot alike at a quick glance to someone who doesn't know the difference.
Hey all! Long time so see!!
Well, after many trials and tribulations.. OUR TANK CYCLED! No one told us that Stability and Stress-Zyme give falsely HIGH amonia readings... once we figured that out and did a few water changes without the stuff, our amonia dropeed significantly.
We also introduced 4 Blue Danios to the tank - greedy little things would eat anything that we dropped in the tank... that is, until about 3 days ago. Now they won't eat a thing.
Anyone here with experience with Danio behavior? I hope they're not sick but I don't know what's going on. The two remaining frogs are doing just fine but now I'm worried about the fish! ~sigh~
Mr. Aka
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Dang...hate that,
I have some lonngfinned danios and your right...normally they eat everything they can snatch up...and they do it very quickly. Yours not eating is a good sign that somethings wrong.
Try testing everything in your water that you can...ammonia, PH, nitrites, nitrates....did the nitrites go through it's cycle after the ammonia spike ? The nitrites are worse on the fish than the ammonia is...and takes longer to go back to zero. I would check those first.
By the way...welcome back ! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Well, gonna try to see what our nitrate/nitrite levels are... hopefully before anything dies...
I see you've changed your avatar pic - any new additions for your tank?
Mr. AKA <img src="/images/graemlins/computer.gif" alt="" />
Hmmm..new additions...I don't remember when you were here last, but I do have some 3-4 week old baby blue rams...a new mint chocolate betta..lol...I have a pic of him on one of these threads, don't remember which one.
I did buy a double tail marble, but ended up bringing him back when I noticed after bringing him home that he had a chronic swim bladder problem. Too bad, he was gorgeous..
Other than that, no new additions..yet...but I do have a few empty tanks sitting around..lol..
Hello Hello Hello!
Hola Hola Hola!
It's me again - back from whatever nether-region I've been subjected to. =)
I don't know how the weather is for y'all but here in Portland we're getting hit with record highs between 85-95!!! And no AC in the house! Argh!
Which actually brings me to a question: We have a single 5 gallon hex and I'm worried that the tank will get too hot for our 2 adult and 2 juvenile frogs. I've got the windows closed and the ceiling fans on during the day but am worried the water temp is going to go too high. Anyone have any suggestions on how to keep the water at a decent 76-78 degree temp?
Also - we have 1 male and 3 females now. The two larger females are from the Original batch and the new additions are much smaller but happy - or, at least, not dead. It�s funny how some people at the pet store can be as helpful as can be (and even knowledgeable to a degree) and others can be both dumb as posts and helpful as an extra hole in your head. We had one guy who insisted that it was impossible to determine the sex of the frogs for the age we were getting. WRONG � these frogs were a few months old and the males definitely had the nuptial pads by the arms � clear as day!
And the �test� as to whether or not the male we have was indeed a male was when he got the hankering to grab one of the larger females and give her a little �back hug�. Heh.
Anyway, the kids are doing just fine for now but I am sincerely worried about the temperature of the tank so I�d appreciate any feedback y�all may want to share.
Nice �seeing� you all again!
Ciao
Mr. AK!
Could you take them out of the tank and put them in something smaller and keep them in a cooler room until the heat wave ends ?
Do you have a basement you can keep them in ? I suppose you could make some icecubes from dechlorinated water and pop some in as they melt. I have heard of folks doing that.
Thanks! I'll try those suggestions if I can.
I was more than happy to see the temp in the tank only up to about 82 - higher than I wanted it to be but lower than it could have been. And I ended up with the same amount of live frogs at the end of the day as I started with so all's good! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />
Where's everyone else? Are we the only ones using this forum? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />
Mr. AK!
I don't know what happened to everyone lately. This forum seems to have slowed dramatically. Guess some folks have a life...lol...
I come by from time to time to see if there are any new posts, but I admit I haven't been here as often myself.
Our frogs were doing well but for the last four or five days one of our girls does not seem to be doing well. She's staying up at the surface constantly now, often nudging herself against the filter for balance and just sitting there. Her skin is grey like she needs to shed but she doesn't shed and I haven't seen her eating or doing much of anything else which is quite concerning. On some angles she looks a little bit bloated but not significantly (could be the glass distortion) but we did notice tonight when looking at her closely, some minor redness in the webbing of her rear feet - almost like tiny broken capilliaries or something? Of course that may have always been there it's just right now we're so worried and of course, she's pretty sedentary so we can get a closer look than normal.
We had our water tested and everything looks great there and the other two frogs seem to be fine. The only other issue is the heat. It has been hot (high 80s/90s) recently here and their tank fluctuates between 78-84 which we were worried about. We moved them into the spare bathroom as we can keep the temp. down a little to 82 at the worst stage but again, the other two are doing fine and the folks at the pet store said the heat shouldn't be bothering them.
Just checked on her and she's "free floating" around, skimming the surface and hubby says her little feed almost bleeding in the webbing and definitely something new.
The only other thing that one other is doing is shooting up for air repeatedly (but later calms down).
Ack...any advice would be grateful.
Also, if we do need to euthenize her (which I hope we do not but if she's suffering I can't stand by and do nothing either) is it true, bagging her in a small baggie with a little water and putting her in the freezer is the kindest way (rather than depriving her of air and freezing her)?
Boy oh boy, have we had some rotten luck with ADFs. Poor little things.
Nah, don't think of doing her in just yet...lol...try cooling the water down with an ice cube and see what she does.
-OR-
Put her in her own little bowl with plenty of hidy places for her and keep her water extra clean with daily water changes. You may want to put one of the others in with her so she doesn't feel so alone and stress out.
I would say it has something to do with the water even though the others seem to be o.k...they may just be less sensitive but if something's wrong they will eventually show signs too.....have you checked the PH ? Did you recently do a water change ? Do you add water conditioner and if so..is it possible a bit too much got in the mix ? I only ask that because it happened to me once..I added stuff from the wrong bottle and ended up puting in "Easy Balance" instead of the water conditioner....I ended up eventually loosing the betta..and he was my favorite !!
Hope she pulls through ok for you Ash !