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#785760 - 10/01/12 06:44 PM How to rid oneself of suffering.
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To all or none, The text that will follow ,I received today by a Sri-Lankan Bhikkhu. Friends:What Causes the Conditioned End of Suffering?What is Dependent Co-Cessation? Cut short: When this cause is absent, that effect too is non-existent. When this condition ceases, that phenomenon too fades away.In quite profound Detail: The fading away of Ignorance causes Mental Construction to cease. The fading away of Mental Construction causes Consciousness to cease. The fading away of Consciousness causes Name-&-Form to cease. The fading away of Name-&-Form causes The 6 Senses to cease. The fading away of The 6 Senses causes Contact to cease. The fading away of Contact causes Feeling to cease. The fading away of Feeling causes Craving to cease. The fading away of Craving causes Clinging to cease. The fading away of Clinging causes Becoming to cease. The fading away of Becoming causes Birth to cease. The fading away of Birth causes Ageing, Decay & Death to cease. The fading away of Ageing, Decay & Death causes Pain to cease... Such is the Complete Ceasing of this entire immense mass of Suffering! This is called the Right Way ... It is much deeper, than it initially appears! This is Dependent Co-Cessation! Breaking the Chain of detrimental Events! To some this might be a harsh text,this text is from a purist Theravadin. However ,I am in total agreement with Bhikkhu Samahita. Comments ! _/\_ loongdragon
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#786468 - 10/05/12 11:59 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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I feel like i want to sit down with this on a slip of paper and meditate on it. I am not sure how one thing connects to the other in each case, but my guess is that sitting quietly with it would help.

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#786477 - 10/06/12 12:24 AM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Ridding one's self of suffering...

Well, in my opinion, it can be made as complicated as another can make it. As deep as another might want it...

From what I've found, the answer is really, and I mean really simple.

Suffering comes from within.

And, much of suffering comes from purification of self, which often entails, self-loathing of that which the Entity or Soul wishes or is on path to purge or learn at the juncture of the suffering.

You could climb the highest mountain, kneel to the Pope himself, find the most exotic island or name or (re-named) individual who themselves have found their own purification, yet it will not be that of your own, for that in itself, to have access, lies only within...

Exchanges, partnerships, readings and writings are merely guide-posts helping you along your way.
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#786480 - 10/06/12 12:56 AM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Agreed. Although, it's still nice to have a map and signposts along the way. smile

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#787043 - 10/09/12 11:10 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Dear Jilly,

Buddhism uses a language that is different from other sorts of

spirituality .The one originally given was ,as I had mentionned

a harsh text.I could have written something simpler,however,this
is a buddhist site.If you so desire ,I will write my own
conception,in easyer words .Buddhism is not for the faint of heart.I have been reading the same book for more than 3 months now.By the way ,you can buy a e-book by Lisa for 99 cents.


I have downloaded it ,printed it,and tomorrow i will make it as
a book with a real cover and everything.

Again I reiterate,if you absolutly want me to simplify the original text,I will do it, but still in buddhist words.

Your's friendly

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#787053 - 10/10/12 12:31 AM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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No need. I am having fun with everything you are writing.

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#794867 - 12/01/12 07:16 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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To all or none,

Almost evryday ,I sit with 3persons sharing,practicing my compassion,my patience.

It is unbelievable,how people create their sufferings,with fears,negative talks,
Never trying to find a way tosee life as beautiful.

There I sit,analizing their ways of thinking,and not understanging,why they like to suffer so much.Sometimes,I slip a phrase of metta.

People really adore suffering.......

Loong
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#794879 - 12/01/12 11:18 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Suffering is a part of the human experience. We came to know suffering.

People forget, however, that once they experience it, they can let it go. They are better served to know it and then move onto feeling its opposite which is relief.

Relief is an important experience because we then more fully can appreciate the feelings of health, vitality, freedom, release and the opposite of what has caused our suffering.

If one does not know suffering, how can one know how good it feels to be at ease and at peace?

What do you think people suffer from the most? What is the cause of most human suffering?
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#794889 - 12/02/12 12:43 AM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: Lori-Dreams]
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Originally Posted By: Lori-Dreams
What do you think people suffer from the most? What is the cause of most human suffering?


Affirmation of self wink

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#795141 - 12/03/12 03:07 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Dear Lori-Dreams,

the main reason of suffering for humans,is :desires not met,clinging to many things
In reality makes them suffer.This morning in the newspaper a mother drowns her 3children Suffering to the extreme.

Abeaten woman staying in the hell she lives,,a man desiring women in a unnormal way,wanting more and more money,when so little is necessary.

The main reason for suffering,is craving,I believe followed by attachment,then fetters.

Hope this was a sufficient answer.
People are their own tortionnary.No one else.
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#795142 - 12/03/12 03:11 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Dear Elleise,
Since we are in the Buddhism section,I will answer you in a buddhist way.

SELF. Does not exist in buddhism,only non-self it is called anatman.

With friendship

Loong
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#795166 - 12/03/12 06:04 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Dear Lori-dreams

I am in accord with your statement.However livivg the present moment,suffering
shall disappear.IF one can enter the world of Mindfulness,it will become easyer
And easyer,of ridding of suffering.


Living in the Now,is the solution (mindfulness) to all forms of sufferings,may the sufferings be from the 6senses .Never forget that past,is merely illusions,,future,may never come.

Loong

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#795172 - 12/03/12 09:01 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Dear Lori-dreams,

Do you beleive ,one can transcend suffering and live a blissfull life,not knowing suffering,not knowing earthly happiness.

In buddhism it is called bliss.When one has detached himself from the fetters ,craving,attachment of the 6 senses,the 6 th being the mind.

I am not saying I have attained enlightenment,far from that ,I am not an arahant but the microscopic moments of suffering ,i still have are immediatly replaced by mindfullness.The NOW.

with respect
loong
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#795725 - 12/10/12 07:30 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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To all or none ,
Buddha and the ceasing of suffering.

text by B.S.gift from loong.



Friends:

No Craving is the Ceasing of all Suffering!



The Blessed Buddha once said:
What, now, is this Noble Truth on the Elimination of all Suffering?
It is the complete fading away & irreversible elimination of all Craving,
the rejection & leaving of it, & the liberating release from it! SN 56:11

But where may this craving vanish, where may it be extinguished?
Wherever in the world, there are delightful and pleasurable things!
Right there and then may this craving be overcome, and quenched...
DN 22

Be it in the past, the present, or in any future, whatever true recluse
considers all delightful, attractive & pleasurable things in this world
as impermanent anicca, as miserable dukkha, & as without a self anatta,
as diseases & as cancers, it is he who conquers craving... SN 12:66

By final fading away and elimination of craving, clinging also ceases;
By the elimination of clinging, the process of becoming also ceases;
By the elimination of the process of becoming, rebirth also ceases;
Through the elimination of all rebirth, all decay, ageing & death!,
sorrow, lamentation, pain, grief, & despair is finally extinguished...
Only that is the eradication of this entire mass of Suffering...
SN 12:43


Thus one becomes an Arahant/Buddha[loong]
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#796081 - 12/13/12 08:31 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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To lori-Dreams

I have a question for you.Would you rather have a life filled only with happiness,or one sprinkled with doses of suffering.

In my case ,I do not beleive suffering is a necessity in life.

Loong
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#796166 - 12/14/12 10:05 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Originally Posted By: loongdragon


I have a question for you.Would you rather have a life filled only with happiness,or one sprinkled with doses of suffering.

In my case ,I do not believe suffering is a necessity in life.

Loong


After having studied Buddhism for so long, I would say that I agree with you, because I know what is meant by 'suffering' in Buddhism (or at least at the level of understanding I am at -there is always more to understand.) But I think for many people this word 'suffering' is confusing. Many people ask me, how can you ever say suffering is avoidable, when things like what happened today in Connecticut, with 27 people killed, including 20 children, occur? How can we say suffering is avoidable for those parents? Should we not mourn or feel their pain?

It is no an easy thing to reconcile the idea of moving beyond suffering and the idea of openheartedness in Buddhism. It is easy intellectually, but not to really reconcile it within one's own being. In many ways I think it is the heart of the path - to learn how to hold the pain of the world in one's heart, not to deny it (which is what too many seekers do in the name of detachment I find), but to hold it in one's heart with loving compassion, and still to feel the peace of existence at the same time. Really, to hold both the joy and sorrow of existence in one's heart, denying nothing. This is to know oneself as the universe.
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#796328 - 12/17/12 02:21 AM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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To all or none,

To stop suffering,put half a smile on your face,and just think
of Now.
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#797862 - 12/26/12 02:52 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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To all or none,

Craving the cause of suffering,by Banthe



Friends:

That Craving Causes Pain is a Noble Truth!


The Blessed Buddha once said:
What, now, is the Second Noble Truth on the Cause of Suffering?
The Cause of suffering is Craving, which bound up with pleasure and
desire, delighting now here, now there, gives rise to renewed rebirth!
SN 56:11
But where and when does this Craving arise and take root?
Wherever in the world there are delightful and pleasurable objects,
exactly right there & then this craving arises, takes root & grows...
The eye, ear, nose, tongue, body, mind, forms, sounds, smells, tastes,
touches, ideas, thoughts, mental states, consciousness of sensation,
sense contacts, feelings born of contact, perceptions, intentions,
cravings, thoughts, & reflections are all attractive and pleasurable:
Right there & then this toxic craving arises, roots & grows...
This is called the Noble Truth on the Origin of Suffering! DN 22



Feeling is the Cause of Craving:
If perceiving a form, sound, smell, taste, touch, idea, or mental state
as pleasant, then one is attracted: Right there craving, greed, desire,
lust, longing and urge is born. Pleasant feeling thus causes Greed!
If perceiving the sense object as unpleasant, then one is repelled:
Right there hate, anger, aversion, antipathy, and opposition is born!
Unpleasant or painful feeling thus causes Hate & all its derivatives!
If perceiving the object as neither pleasant nor unpleasant, then one
is disinterested, and thus neither observes nor examines the object:
Right there Ignorance, neglect, unawareness, and disregard is born...
Neutral & indifferent feeling thus causes Ignorance to arise! MN 38
The 3 kinds of Craving:
1: There is craving for Sensing forms, sounds, smells, tastes, touches,
ideas, thoughts and mental objects & states! (This is Kāma-Tanhā)...
2: There is craving for Becoming this or that like rich, healthy, famous,
beautiful, respected, successful & adored etc. (This is Bhava-Tanhā)...
3: There is craving for Non-Becoming this or that like poor, sick, dead,
ignored, disregarded, ugly, failed & despised. (This is Vibhava-Tanhā)...
DN 22

Loong's comment:As one can see suffering in Buddhism might be different than in other paths.

loong








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#797899 - 12/27/12 02:58 AM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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To lisa,

In one of your last posts you mentionned other paths,other ways.

That is what I have forgotten.Beind obsessed with learning Buddhism.
Other tools brought me to buddhism ,and had put them aside as if

they were outdated or something.Fighting a Man's cold right now.

I have not have one in 2 years.So last nite I remembered
the power of creation by the mind.
So I am repeating ,the word health,health..Already feeling a
difference.TO Normand/loong never put the old tools too far away
they worked before why not now.

loong
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#798073 - 12/27/12 02:39 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Hi Loong, that's great. I think 'tools' is the right word. I have a lot of tools that I use, especially for health. Why not? Buddhism is about awakening, but the development of mind that meditation brings about evolves other skills as well. As long as we don't allow them to distract us from the path or our ethics, there is no problem. I think there are many types of meditation - some would call what you are doing to heal yourself a kind of meditation too.
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#798926 - 01/03/13 09:15 AM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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To all or none

The birth of man is the birth of of his sorrow.The longer he lives,the more stupid he becomes,because his anxiety to avoid unavoidable death becomes more and more acute.What bitterness!He lives for what is always out of reach!His thirst for survival
in the future makes him incapable of living in the present.

Chuang Tzu.

Loong the messanger.
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#798986 - 01/03/13 01:19 PM Re: How to rid oneself of suffering. [Re: loongdragon]
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Hi Loong. I too have a cold. Or a flu. I am really resting and drinking a lot of fluids. I should probably also take vitamins...i think I will look for those next.

Take good care of yourself.

As for growing more fear of death, I would posit that some become more graceful and accepting of passing on, as life draws to an end? I would hope so. That is what I want for myself.

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