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I can't speak for AnastasiV, but I'd like to touch on a couple of key things, here.

Strange as it sounds, lots of women are voting for the Palin ballot simply because she is female. Many women were voting for Hillary because she was female. Who even knows how many women who wanted Hillary, now want Palin, even though they are from opposite parties, and stand for entirely different policies. Not everyone considers actual presidential credentials. They get caught up instead in their own reflection - she's a woman, I'm a woman, she's a mother, I'm a mother, if she's in power, I'm in power, etc. But what they forget to consider, in the chaos of the emotional high, is whether they themselves are qualified to be president of the United States. Many people, from both sides of the ticket tend to project themselves into thier candidate of choice. Sometimes, it is a shallow projection.

Also, to vote one party against another because a person's ego gets hurt is another shallow way to vote. The purpose of voting for president of the US, is to determine, to the best of your ability, based on deep research, if a candidate will look after the best interest of the nation. Under our current administration we have been shamed and demeaned world wide. We have reached an unacknowledged economical state of emergency, very closely bordering a depression. The fact that McCain has commercially distanced himself from this administration, after voting along with it 90% of the time is kind of a red flag. Palin has voted right along with the same Grand Ol' Party. According to McCain, they are "soul mates." With enough smoke and mirror action, candidates can play out any scenerio they percieve the public as wanting to hear. And, yeah. It's happening on both sides of the ticket. But, hands down, Biden has far greater experience in the world of politics than Palin does. For me, this makes him more qualified for VP.

I feel it's also crucial to talk to the topic of not knowing what a Vice President does. We are not talking about flipping burgers, here. Wouldn't a person who is truly qualified for a job title of this caliber have a clue what their duties would be? I am truly stunned that a person who doesn't even know what a VP does would blindly accept the all of the responsiblities of the position. I personally would never apply for a position of that magnitude without doing extensive research on it, and then determining whether I was up to it or not. Especially if I deemed myself a master in my field. And only a master in their field belongs in that kind of role. If Palin was a master in her field, she would be up on all of the in's and out's of the political structuring of our government. In all honesty, what the VP does is rudimentary information for anyone holding any kind of postition in government. Governmental Structure 101, if you will. For me, as a citizen, this is an essential part of being qualified for the role. That she doesn't know, shows me that she is too unfamiliar with her own field to take a postion that high up in it. Seriously, this is so basic that to argue it's importance is actually frightening.

I think this is what AnastasiV was trying to point out. That they are frustrated with that fact that Republicans come up with these arguments that are loud and clear, but somehow lacking in intelligent reasoning, and Democrats fall right into it, without pointing out what is flawed with the argument to begin with. I am neither a Rep or a Dem, but on the outside looking in. Not being defensive of either party, because my ego isn't vulnerable, I can see both sides pretty clearly.

I don't see Obama as any kind of savoir or saint, but in an all around way, I see him and Biden as the best of two imperfect choices.

Shay

Unfortunatly, the Democrats have built a large part of their base by accusing Republicans of being sexist and racist. Obama has been using race since the primaries.

Bill Clinton, in several interviews, accused the Obama camp of "playing the race card." It was clear in the primaries that he was going to go that route when Obama gave three seperate speeches in the same day about how the mean old Republicans were going to attack him based on the fact that he's inexperienced, he has a funny name, and oh yeah, did I mention he's black.

This was just after the Primaries and he was already setting the stage of being a victim.

Palin is not acting like a victim. She says her beliefs with conviction and without studdering. She knows how many states we have. She didn't listen to hate speech for 20 years in her church. She isn't directly tied and friendly with known terrorists. She didn't accept sweetheart deals from recently prosecuted and convicted slum lords. (I can provide videos and news articles to each of these at your request)

Take a look at Obama and you will see corruption and whining and no real answers to very real questions.

-whoisjohngalt

You didn't disappoint me, whoisjohngalt. This is the Rep response I expected. Slip around the subject, distract the other party, and frantically point the other way.

The fact remains that Palin has not disclosed a single thing. Well, of course except for the "accomplishments" that she is proud of, and anyone can do if they are interested in such things. (No offence to Ma Kettle, I'm sure she's a fine gal, but the United States president?) She refuses to talk about her political substance, until the nation defers to her. A lot of us are wondering why? Why is she shutting herself away? Why should I respect and defer to a person who won't openly speak, but wants to run my country? A bigger question would be, what kind of a citizen would defer to and respect a candidate who refuses to disclose her political information to the media, until the rest of us bow down to her? Royalty, she is not. If a contender has nothing to hide, and is prepared to be, in essence, our president, what's the hold up? The presidency is not a closed door job, where get to hang your moose head, and throw yourself across your slain bear skin, to pout.

Believe me, I'm not in love with any of the candidates. But at least they aren't in hiding, while demanding respect.

Shay

Shay, I'll try harder to respond only to the points you make in this last post so that I don't "distract the other party"

There is no hiding anything on Palin's part- that is the point I am making. Obama's lawyers and Private Investigaters have combed Alaska with a fine tooth comb, looking at her political history, talking with locals, looking at her tax information, anything they can find. So far, nothing substantial has been found. If there was something, believe me, they would have found it. She is authentic.

As far as royalty- I am not sure where that is coming from. I thought I saw the Democrats build a Greek Temple (used in ancient Greece to worship the specific God within) for Obama. I can't be any more clear than this, Palin is wide open. Nothing hidden. Obama is hiding his past. Try to find out what he did as co-chairman of an education board with Bill Ayers. It should be public information, but it is currently locked up. That is not diverting, it is just a fact.

Obviously I am a conservative, just as obviously you are a liberal. It is what it is. I like to look at both forums to see what is out there, and I put my 2 cents in (sometimes a full dollar) when I see something I disagree with, I back it up with facts.

I would like to see you address the FACT that the media and Obama's campaign has been running over Palin's life with a fine tooth comb and yet Obama has yet to be scrutinized.

-whoisjohngalt

I think you are fully aware that Obama has been scrutinized down to his hair roots. They found some eyebrow raising information, which has apparently blown over.

The Greek temple, you ought to know as an American citizen, was in reference to the roots of our American governmental structure. Don't feel bad. Palin probably didn't know, either. Having children, drilling for oil on sacred lands and shooting moose are more her areas of expertise.

Palin is not wide open. She has not given one interview, to confirm or deny anything. She has only offered open refusal to do so. Outside of remote areas of the country, she is weak. She cannot stand up to pressure. A frightening example of a VP candidate, who doesn't know what a VP is.

I'm not a liberal, per sey. I just keep my eyes and ears open. This enables me to see clearly, without the veils of blind devotion making things hazy. I happen to connect more closely with the ideals of the Liberals is all. Like I said, I'm not in love with any of them. But Palin does frighten me. A lot.

Shay

I am curious at your use of the word "afraid." So far, all you have said is that she is a hunter and she is for drilling. Also, she is a Christian. She is also a working mother. Why are you afraid of that? I would think that Obama's radical ties and associations inside and outside of the country would frighten you more.

It should frighten you more that Obama wants reperations for all African- Americans, paid for by the tax payer.

It should frighten you that Obama wants a worldwide welfare system paid for by the tax payer.

It should frighten you that as a Senator, Obama asked for over 100 million dollars in pork barrel spending paid for by the tax payer. (McCain has asked for none)

I am a business owner and I try to stretch my budget as far as it can go. I have been eating peanut butter sandwiches and Chef Boyardee for a long time to save money.

The facts are that Obama is someone that average American cannot afford.

Palin on the other hand slashed government spending and balanced the budget all the while cutting taxes. These are accomplishments that I can see and weigh. Obama has none.
I will repeat that because that statement always falls on deaf ears. OBAMA HAS NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

I am curious, Shay, can you please tell me or give me the link that says Palin does not know what the VP does. I cannot find that (too much garbage in the search engines ) I would appreciate it.

The idea that he was speaking in front of a miniature Greek temple came directly from his fans in the media.

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[quote=whoisjohngalt]I am curious at your use of the word "afraid." So far, all you have said is that she is a hunter and she is for drilling. Also, she is a Christian. She is also a working mother. Why are you afraid of that? I would think that Obama's radical ties and associations inside and outside of the country would frighten you more.

It should frighten you more that Obama wants reperations for all African- Americans, paid for by the tax payer.

It should frighten you that Obama wants a worldwide welfare system paid for by the tax payer.

It should frighten you that as a Senator, Obama asked for over 100 million dollars in pork barrel spending paid for by the tax payer. (McCain has asked for none)

I am a business owner and I try to stretch my budget as far as it can go. I have been eating peanut butter sandwiches and Chef Boyardee for a long time to save money.

The facts are that Obama is someone that average American cannot afford.

Palin on the other hand slashed government spending and balanced the budget all the while cutting taxes. These are accomplishments that I can see and weigh. Obama has none.
I will repeat that because that statement always falls on deaf ears. OBAMA HAS NO ACCOMPLISHMENTS.

I am curious, Shay, can you please tell me or give me the link that says Palin does not know what the VP does. I cannot find that (too much garbage in the search engines ) I would appreciate it.

The idea that he was speaking in front of a miniature Greek temple came directly from his fans in the media.

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I'm curious as to why, if Palin is such a "pathetic ploy", people feel the need to attack her so relentlessly.

You answered your own question beautifully.

I don't follow politics usually, but with the way I've been feeling lately, it's just driving me nuts as to why. I'm going down the list of links on these pages and commenting on them.

Someone wrote what has Obama, specifically, done to show he can handle the presidency?

To me that's like, what can he show me that will convince me he has the ardour to make executive decisions under pressure?

He's actually giving the finger in one of these links (serious? My 10 yr old daughter wouldn't even do that). And the link here, honestly, depics more of a resume - like I expect most politicians to have similar backgrounds. As far as community service, great but... My mom and dad were band parents at NCHS. They did pretty much the same types of exhausting but benefitial community service in school and church. Neither of them or Obama, yet anyway, would convince me they could handle tough decisions that would effect people globally and as effectively as possible. Obama still feels like a scatter-brain. Maybe he's just nervous. I'm working to prove myself wrong.

As far as reparations? I've worked in social services, but never had to use the system until I divorced my ex-husband (domestic issues). I was on it for 3 months. Inside the system and out of it, rarely did I ever come in contact with people who got up each morning, motivated to change their lives. The day they picked up their check was a different story. They would go to the groccery store, (part of my job was to trasport them wherever they needed) and spend a little on food and purchase incrementals w/the rest or swap the link card use for less pennies on the dollar, cash. Aside from the elderly, most spent the money by the end of the week on frivolous things. A lot of them got their hair and nails done with the cash and I'd have to drive them there.

When you'd mentioned there was a way to get more money, unless it was free, the first words out of their mouths are, "I can't" end of discussion. They'd look at you like you were crazy - like, "I deserve this money, you want me to work and possibly lose it?" If you earn over a certain amount, your benefits go down.

To me, it's just as hard for any one of us to pay for benefits and housing. It's hard but we keep trying.

The housing, I agree (and these experiences are all over not just one area) for the most part is diplorable. You have to look for well-kept facilities, and there are a lot that are as nice as an $800 apartment (head to Blm, IL if you're looking for that) utilities paid.

My experience has shown me an imploading system. The more a person gets, the more they feel, after awhile, they deserve - like a raise. Nothing wrong with feeling that way, but I'd say 95% of the people who get welfare are NOT motivated to extract money by their own means. It enhances their victim status, like they don't respect the money, they're simply entitled.

Finally, Africans are NOT - repeat - NOT the only race who experienced a pained, historic evolution. If blacks feel they are entitled to more money, then I say every/ ALL RACES that have been mistreated and rioted against, Jewish, Native American Indian, Muslim women, etc. any abused or had their lands taken, well they get a piece of the african american fund as well. The pain isn't any different because of the color of your skin. It's just personal, when it happens to you.

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Elleise
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