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Please, do not take it extremely seriously!
Only Carter released his real IQ tests results.

In a report published, the Lovenstein Institute of Scranton,
Pennsylvania detailed its findings of a four month study of the
intelligence quotient of President George W. Bush. Since 1973, the
Lovenstein Institute has published it's research to the education
community on each new president, which includes the famous "IQ" report
among others.

According to statements in the report, there have been twelve
presidents over the past 50 years, from F. D. Roosevelt to G. W. Bush
who were all rated based on scholarly achievements, writings that they
alone produced without aid of staff, their ability to speak with
clarity, and several other psychological factors which were then
scored in the Swanson/Crain system of intelligence ranking.

The study determined the following IQs of each president as accurate
to within five percentage points :


147 Franklin D. Roosevelt (D)
132 Harry Truman (D)
122 Dwight D. Eisenhower (R)
174 John F. Kennedy (D)
126 Lyndon B. Johnson (D)
155 Richard M. Nixon (R)
121 Gerald Ford (R)
175 James E. Carter (D)
105 Ronald Reagan (R)
099 George HW Bush (R)
182 William J. Clinton (D)
091 George W. Bush (R)

The non-partisan researchers who evaluated the twelve presidents
determined that the six Republican presidents for the past 50 years
had an average IQ of 115.5, with President Nixon having the highest
IQ, at 155. President G. W. Bush was rated the lowest of all the
Republicans with an IQ of 91.

The six Democrat presidents had IQs with an average of 156, with Bill
Clinton having the highest at 182. President Johnson was rated the
lowest of all the Democrats with an IQ of 126.

No president other than Carter (D) has released his actual IQ, 176.

Among comments made concerning the specific testing of President GW
Bush, his low ratings were due to his apparent difficulty to command
the English language in public statements, his limited use of
vocabulary (6,500 words for Bush versus an average of 11,000 words for
other presidents), his lack of scholarly achievements other than a
basic MBA, and an absence of any body of work which could be studied
on an intellectual basis. The complete report documents the methods
and procedures used to arrive at these ratings, including depth of
sentence structure and voice stress confidence analysis.

"All the Presidents prior to George W. Bush had a least one book under
their belt, and most had written several white papers during their
education or early careers. Not so with President Bush," Dr.
Lovenstein said. "He has no published works or writings, so in many
ways that made it more difficult to arrive at an assessment. We had to
rely more heavily on transcripts of his unscripted public speaking."

The Lovenstein Institute of Scranton Pennsylvania think tank includes
high caliber historians, psychiatrists, sociologists, scientists in
human behavior, and psychologists. Among their ranks are Dr. Werner R.
Lovenstein, world-renowned sociologist, and Professor Patricia F.
Dilliams, a world-respected psychiatrist.

This study was commissioned on February 13, 2001 and released on July
9, 2002 to subscribing member universities and organizations within
the education community.
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Interesting! FDR was not highly intelligent, but had very mature. He worked with people whom he didn't like personally & vice versa to get the job done, e.g.:
Grmeral Douglas MaCarthur-handle Pacific in WW2
J. Edgar Hoover-expose KGB & GRU in USA
Jewish professors from Harvard-ideas for New Deal
What would be the IQ's of Adolf Hitler, Benito Mussolini & Josef Stalin?

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This report has been well documented to be a hoax. There is no such institute; there is no such study; there is no such report. Much as you may have liked to have seen a report such as this, it is a hoax. Readers beware.

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Stpolak,

Thanks. I changed the title of this thread

I guess, pres. Clinton was probably estimated a bit too high - I do not believe he could have over 180 IQ!

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From a forum:

In 1945, an army psychologist named G.M. Gilbert, was allowed to examine the Nazi leaders who were tried at Nuremberg for war crimes. Among other tests, a German version of the Wechsler-Bellevue was administered. Here are the results:

1 Hjalmar Schacht 143
2 Arthur Seyss-Inquart 141
3 Hermann Goering 138
4 Karl Doenitz 138
5 Franz von Papen 134
6 Eric Raeder 134
7 Dr. Hans Frank 130
8 Hans Fritsche 130
9 Baldur von Schirach 130
10 Joachim von Ribbentrop 129
11 Wilhelm Keitel 129
12 Albert Speer 128
13 Alfred Jodl 127
14 Alfred Rosenberg 127
15 Constantin von Neurath 125
16 Walther Funk 124
17 Wilhelm Frick 124
18 Rudolf Hess 120
19 Fritz Sauckel 118
20 Ernst Kaltenbrunner 113
21 Julius Streicher 106

You may find these data in The Nuremberg Mind: The Psychology of the Nazi Leaders by Florence R. Miale and Michael Selzer, as well as in The Reich Marshal: A Biography of Hermann Goering by Leonard Mosley.

Notice that there is a clear correlation of IQ with social status. Notice, as I've pointed out before, that success in the practical socio-econimc sense usually goes to those with IQs between 125 and 150. And finally, notice that there are no towering IQs in the 150 plus range, as one would expect from theoreticians. None of these men were original thinkers.

What was Hitler's IQ? We will never know for sure, but we can guess that it wasn't much different from those at the top of this list. He wasn't an original thinker either.

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Colonel-Genera Volkogonov, the official biographer of Stalin,] said people frequently underestimated Stalin's intellectual powers and pointed out that he ran the Soviet Union for three decades without ever having a secretary, a speech writer or any confidant; and during that time he wrote thirteen volumes of published works, and two unpublished, all in long-hand.
Nicholas BERESTON, 1989, The Times, 11 iii

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I couldn't find any websites that speculated on Mussolini's IQ but I did find this BBC article that I found interesting:

Il Duce 'sought Hitler ban'

Italian dictator Benito Mussolini asked the Pope to excommunicate Adolf Hitler shortly before he went to Rome to seal their alliance in 1938, according to a Vatican document.

Details of Mussolini's secret request were found in the Vatican's recently opened secret archive which forms the basis of a book by Italian historian Emma Fattorini on the last days of Pius XI's papacy.

Ms Fattorini, a university professor in Rome, suggests the demand reflected the Italian leader's anger over Hitler's annexation of Austria in March 1938.

Although she also says Mussolini's actions may have been an attempt to set up the Church, in that if it did not act, he could accuse it of failing to listen to his warnings.

Despite the many stop and go situations, we are in fact in the middle of full Italian-German accord - and it is this that makes the request for an excommunication so sensational, Ms Fattorini reportedly said.

She said the document - found in the archive opened in February - showed Mussolini was playing a double game.

'Harsher measures'

Despite being baptised a Catholic by his mother, in his adult life Hitler was not a practicing Catholic.

It is thought however he would have been aware of the significance of an excommunication and would have avoided the ruling at all costs.

The account of the meeting in April 1938 was taken by Holy See representative Pietro Tacchi Venturi.

Mussolini had urged the Vatican to adopt harsher measures against Hitler, according to Mr Venturi's own account of their talks.

The head of the government told P. Tacchi Venturi in a private meeting that with Hitler it would be advisable to be more energetic, without half measures; not now, not immediately, but waiting for the best time to adopt these more energetic measures, for example excommunication, the record says.

In March 1938, Hitler annexed Austria and became a threat to Italian security - especially in Italy's German-speaking northern region.

However, Mussolini went on to sign a military alliance with Germany in 1939 and joined the war a year later.

It is not clear if the Church ever seriously considered excommunicating Hitler.

The Vatican archives relating to pre-war Germany were opened in a bid to counter charges that the Vatican did not do enough to prevent the Holocaust.


Story from BBC NEWS:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/pr/fr/-/1/hi/world/europe/3144984.stm

Published: 2003/09/27 13:16:51 GMT


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