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Posted By: Mavis mixed fish & creatures - 06/12/02 05:48 PM
My little tank is 15 gal - although my daughter tells me she wants the 15 gal back & I'll have to downsize to a 10 gal. In it I have one betta, 2 cories, 2 ottos & 1 dwarf frog. There used to be some ghost shrimp in it too, but I think the frog ate them, so I'll have to get more. There are a few plants and right now 1/2 the bottom is sand & the other 1/2 is aquarium gravel. I want to get more sand & have sand for the entire bottom when I downsize (guess that will be this weekend since I've off work for a couple of days). If you don't have a lot of room, this is a great mix to have in a small aquarium as its fascinating to watch the variety.

Is there anything else that I could add to make it even more interesting? - Or will the 10 gal be filled to capacity?
Posted By: Miss Mariposa Re: mixed fish & creatures - 06/12/02 06:30 PM
Hi Mavis, how are you? I guess I see how the pecking order in your family works, hehe... oh well, back down to the 10gal for you <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I would say that your 10gal is pretty much to capacity, mostly because you are in the process of moving all your fish. It's not a good idea to be adding new fish to a system that's undergoing a lot of change to it, and if you take all the stuff out of the 15 to put in the 10, that's a big change as far as the animals are concerned. Give it a few weeks and see if you get any ammonia spikes. Try and run the same filter and don't rinse out the gravel or sand, so that you retain much of the same bacteria. If the tank stabilizes after a month or two with no deaths or problems, I would say you could get away with maybe a pair of platies/guppies, or something very quiet and small like a bumblebee goby (technically considered brackish, but they also do well in freshwater and are very hardy). But pushing a tank to its limits does make it a little bit riskier if you do get a disease from the new fish, so I personally think leaving it as is makes a delightful little tank. Good luck!
Posted By: Mavis Re: mixed fish & creatures - 06/13/02 05:13 AM
Thanks for the advice Pandora. Actually, my daughter bought the 15 gal tank for herself & then decided she didn't have room for it so she let me use it. Now she's made room for it so I don't have much choice but to give it back to her. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

The filter is mine though, so I'll move that over to the 10 gal. I thought the group might be enough for a smaller tank, so I'm not surprised that you feel the same way. I do like those bumblebee gobies though - so maybe I'll see how things go for a couple of months & then go looking for one.

Thanks for your help. <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Miss Mariposa Re: mixed fish & creatures - 06/13/02 09:25 PM
Sure thing. Good luck on your tank move; if your fish are healthy to begin with, it shouldn't cost them too much stress if you use the same filter and much of the same water.

I have some new articles in the fish section, and you also may want to check out the links in "Sites Specifically on Other or Exotic Species", there are 2 pages about aquatic frogs that you may enjoy. Take care!
Posted By: katiemontanez Re: mixed fish & creatures - 10/07/02 11:27 PM
How are you finding your frog? I have an albino claw frog and absolutely adore him =) He's in with an oranda goldfish of equal size, and a chocolate chip spiny plecostomus that's almost big enough to be moved from the tank into a new, larger habitat.
Posted By: Mavis Re: mixed fish & creatures - 10/08/02 01:14 PM
I really loved my little dwarf frog, but unfortunately he died a couple of months ago. I've thought about getting another one or two, but haven't yet.

Those clawed frogs get pretty big compared to the little dwarf ones.
Posted By: katiemontanez Re: mixed fish & creatures - 10/08/02 04:39 PM
Aye <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Clawed frogs are 3-5" at maturity, depending on gender. Mine is a bit too small at present to determine sex--first I thought boy, but as it grows it might be a girl...I wish I knew! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

Sorry to hear your frog died <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> I don't know anything about the hardiness of dwarf frogs, but I know that keeping frogs and fish is slightly tricky because a lot of medicines one would use for fish, like ich medications, contain substances toxic to frogs. I'm constantly reading labels on anything I put in that tank, and they don't warn you at the pet store that any metal ions, for example, are toxic to frogs. If you have a tank with lid with any exposed metal on it (like on the light fixture), the water could become poisonous for the frog just from evaporation & condensation picking up metal ions. Tough stuff, frog rearing!

They're also more susceptible to the pitfalls of water chemistry since they're thin-skinned, so to speak. I walk on eggshells making sure my ammonia & nitrite are kept in check! With a messy goldfish that's a tough job <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />
Posted By: Miss Mariposa Re: mixed fish & creatures - 12/21/02 04:08 AM
Yup, with the proteinaceous diet most frogs need (frozen bloodworms, for example, are a favorite), pollution issues can be a common problem, unfortunately.. that might have been what happened with yours, Mavis <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" /> .

A thing on clawed frogs (abbreviated ACF), they are not only different from African Dwarf frogs (ADF) in size. They are also more predatory, and will actively hunt smaller fish, so just watch out for that if you keep fish like tetras, barbs, livebearers. ADF's tend to make better community tankmates (not really a big deal for Dina, since she keeps her ACF with large fish anyway). Ammonia will be a problem with goldfish regardless... they are messy fish that need lots of room and filtration.

And yes, meds can always be a tricky issue, even in a fish-only tank; one of the reasons why I try not to get to the point where it becomes necessary. Dina, I suspect that the one you were talking about with the metal ions was copper...this is a common ingredient in many anti-ich treatments (not only a little touch-and-go with frogs, but instant death for all invertebrates).

Here are the links to those two sites I was talking about earlier, for all those aquatic froggy fans out there:
FrogLand
African Dwarf Frog by David Cecere
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