If I were asked in a survey if I support a woman's choice to make decisions about her own body, I'd answer with a resounding YES! Although I may not agree, I do not wish to curtail any woman wanting to tattoo every centimeter of her body or to pierce every inch. She should be able to magically have breasts the size of basketballs or to have a nose even smaller than Michael Jackson's!

However, a woman cannot impregnate herself. This is basic stuff that almost every pro-abortionist forgets. When an egg and sperm join together, a new life is created. It's very true that the new life usually cannot survive on its own for just a little while, but it is a scientific fact that an egg and sperm join together to form a new life. A woman is now carrying a new life that was created by herself and a man. What she now does to her body directly affects the life of her unborn child and indirectly, the child's father.

It's also true that a woman "has to" (it's often referred to as some kind of a prison sentence) carry the new life for a few months until the life is mature enough to survive on its own. But does the owner of the temporary home have the right to kill its occupants?

Imagine a house where the father says, "You know, it's just too damned crowded in here. We do not need an extra kid." So, he takes his household tools and dismembers the child. (I must apologize for this horrible graphic, but there's a point to be made) The child is dead. The father could have taken the child to Child Services and said that he could no longer take care of the child. But, instead he exercised his "choice" to end the child's life.

I cannot for a moment ignore that, in the United States, a woman can complete control over her unborn child's life and can dismember or poison him while he's still quite small. And it's legal!

But, why are we horrified when we hear nauseous stories about parents torturing and killing their born children, yet we champion the "choice" of women to do it to their unborn children?

It's been said that a society should be judged on how it treats it most vulnerable members.

So yes, I'm pro-"choice." But it depends entirely on what that choice is and whose lives it involves.

I respect your beliefs and what you feel is right or wrong. However, I expect the same respect from you, regarding my beliefs. I don't try and force my beliefs or ideals on people and I expect them to treat me in the same way.

Every human being is different. We all have different characteristics and beliefs. We are all made happy or sad by different things. What we believe is affected by many sources, parents, grandparents, teachers, friends, religious leaders etc etc. We all have to accept that people think very differently to each other.

As a woman who does believe in choice, I would not want any person to stop me in my decision because they felt that it was wrong. I do not think it is right that other people should be able to make that choice for me. It is my decision after all and it would be me that would be living with the knowledge.

Some people believe that abortion is wrong, so be it. I'm not going to change their attitudes or tell them they are wrong. However, I do feel that it is wrong when they attempt to make abortion illegal. What I decide to do with my body is no ones elses business.

If I fell pregnant it would be the worst thing in the world. I do not want children and my husband and I do everything in our power to stop it from happening. Having a child would make us miserable and I am glad that in this country we have the option to choose to have an abortion.

It may sound harsh to you, but it doesn't to me. We have the choice and I believe it is every womans right to choose what she wishes and not to have any one attempt to change her mind.

I'd be interested to know your thoughts on contraception. I'll not berate you for your beliefs and I expect the same in return.

good day to you

Very well written! I wish more people had your attitude.

If I fell pregnant it would be the worst thing in the world. I do not want children and my husband and I do everything in our power to stop it from happening. Having a child would make us miserable and I am glad that in this country we have the option to choose to have an abortion.

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I have seen too many unwanted, abused, mentally, emotionally and physically mutilated children to ever be against abortion.

Every child has the right to be wanted and loved and treated with care and respect.

This is a woman's right to choose. If she desires an abortion, then she is probably aware that she would not be able to give a child what every child deserves to have, for whatever reason.

Quality of life is more important than a life of misery.

You should have seen some of the atrocious things that I've seen done to tiny babies and children of all ages. You'd wish their mother had aborted them too.

Patience.

Let's always remember... married or not, ADOPTION is always an option.... there are too many families out there that are ready to love and nurture a child to allow even one child to be murdered by abortion. Yes, it's your body, but your baby has a body too... why doesn't anyone ever consider that fact??? Oh, by the way if you haven't figured it out I'm totally against abortion and no one will change my mind.

I would not even attempt to change your mind as I would never change my mind about a womans right to choose...You say adoption is Always an option....Sorry but it is not. The thought of actually carrying a baby makes me feel phisically ill and would be detrimental to my health.

No women should ever be forced to carry a child if she doesn't wish to do so. However, she should abort at the earliest opportunity, whilst it is only a few cells and cannot be described as a baby, only the potential to be one! The morning after pill is freely available to all in the UK, and should be obtained if a woman is unwise enough to have unprotected sex.

It is the baby's body we are talking about. Abortion is wrong. It is an American holocaust, national and racial suicide on a massive scale.

If men could have children, abortion would be a sacrament.

I think people get far too hyped up about abortion. Most are carried out when the foetus is only a blob and cannot be described as a baby!

Loveapple, bless you, but you are misinformed.... Abortions don't happen the moment a woman knows she is pregnant.... there is a wait, unless you can afford to go privately....and by the time the day arrives, the foetus is completely recognisable as a living, 'breathing' heart-beating small human being....

Neither for nor against.... each individual must make the decision for herself.... Compassion, understanding and sympathy are the order of the day....

Abortion is wrong. 46 million in the U.S. since 1973. It is racial and national suicide. An American Holocaust. There is nothing more wrong and evil than wholesale abortion.

Are you saying that those of us who have suffered abuse don't have a right to life?

Careful about this,CP - Just to let you know.....I know Patience well, and her history, bless her soul, is not a pretty one. If anyone can speak authoritatively on 'abuse' it is she.....

I'm pro-birth control or sterilization for those who don't want kids.

Abstinence works too.

But, so can I. I'm not going to go into the ugly details of my sexual, physical, emotional, and mental abuse. She brought up the subject as an excuse for abortion, not I.

Jim,
You are right on. Abortion clinics even have ovens just like the nazi death camps.

We all know as a lesbian woman I am in no danger of ending up with a surprise pregnacny but ... oh help a man who tries to tell me what to do with my own damn body. The reality is if it is outlawed you are simply creating a death sentence for countless young desperate girls. There will be a widespread growth in illegal abortions done in unsafe conidtions and a rise in deaths associated with it. If by your terms what is being aborted is life, you are sacraficing two lives instead of one.

Being pregnant, having a child, would be the worst thing in the world? How sad. I have heard the worst thing in the world is wittnessing a child lose a child, I believe it is probably true. Celebrate life.

I think the two of you would be really great friends then, by sharing your experiences and uniting your thoughts...You would have so much to constructively discuss. I guess the point is, that nobody has a monopoly on experience...this is, after all, not a pi**ing contest.... "My 'pain' is greater than your 'pain' ", kind of thing....
There are no simple answers, only points of vuiew and individually held beliefs....
Nobody has a right to condemn anyone else, out of hand, without having walked a mile in their shoes, so to speak. How could we know - how could we genuinely, really know - just what we would do in their place?
It's really a question of Understanding, Compassion and Love.
Full stop, no matter what....

Just my view.....

Ideally of course it would be a celebration of life, but you can't pawn your joy off on someone else. You can't make a 16 year old want to have a child, the most you are capable of doing is making it impossible for her to recieve a safe abortion and forcing her onto the streets. Outlawing it does not make it go away, it just makes it more dangerous.

Outlawing it certainly reduces the frequency of it. Outlawing murder doesn't stop murder completely either but I bet there'd be a lot more of them if it were legal. And women who risk their health and lives seeking illegal abortions have no one to blame but themselves.

The reality is you have no right to have a say about what goes on between my legs or in my womb, so keep your idea's out of my body.

Well said Mindy86. The point is, women should not be made to adhere to the personal beliefs of others in regard to when life begins, reproductive issues, or what we can do w/our own bodies (and no, we're not "temporary houses").

mindy and nosy,
I have every right to protect the lives of the innocent unborn. No woman has the right to kill her unborn child for the selfish and irresponsible reason of just not wanting to be pregnant. If you don't want to be forced to carry a pregnancy to term then practice abstinence or birth control. Don't get pregnant. But if you do get pregnant, don't make some innocent child pay the price of his/her life for your selfish desire to duck your responsibilities. Keep your ideas out of the life of your child. Pay for your own mistakes. Don't force a child, whose only crime was having a heartbeat, to pay the penalty.

"unborn child" - TD, don't you understand that many don't consider an early pregnancy a child as you do? When many of us speak of abortion we are not speaking of children as you are. We are on different planets on this issue and the best you can do in this situation is not have an abortion yourself and raise your family with those beliefs.

As I said, they are not dogs or cats, they are humans. Unborn children. If you disagree, you are wrong.

I think the two thoughts are extreme. Abortion is used as a form of birthcontrol, is true and is wrong, and I would probably even say it is murder. Abortion within rape, incest, etc... should be permisable without question. Sounds like a double standard? Probably, but I have both thoughts.

iwonder,
If abortion is murder ( and it is) is it justifiable to murder a child becaue its father did something wrong? No, it is not the child's crime. Why give the child the death penalty for the father's rape or incest? The only time abortion should be legal is when the mother's life is in jeapordy. Saving a life is always right.

So you agree with conditional murder, then? Kill one to save the other...? What human has a right to decide that one shall live to save the other? So if you were pregnant, but Doctors told you that in order to live your baby would have to die, you'd accept that, would you...?

Nasty situation....

I'd review your ideology, otherwise you need to have a re-think on the whole question, Lovelove....

LL is referring more to the doctrine of self-defense. It's O.K. to protect your own life.

To be honest I am fine with TD's beliefs it is the manner of force and making it illegal. It is a personal choice and belief and should not be government sacntioned. If you wish to discrease the number of abortions help create a better enviornment for those who feel they have no choice except abortion.

First of all, I would hope that LL can answer for herself.... I wouldn't think that it would be possible for one Christian to enter the thought process of another, even though your opinions are virtually the same...unless of course, you ARE one and the same....

And secondly, your reply doesn't change what she meant. She meant that it's quite ok to 'protect yourself' even if it meand deliberately killing someone else....
Well, then she's as guilty as anyone advocating abortion. Sure it's conditional, but in her words, it's the rape of the mother and the murder of the child.... whatever the circumstances.

Take ectopic pregnancy for example. If that is not aborted then it will cost the life of the mother and the child. Abortion is O.K. to save a life but just to abort because someone wishes the pregnancy to go away is murder. Abortion violates the Hippocratic oath and violates your buddhist faith...."do no harm"

Oh good. well that's ok then.....

By the way, I have never said I agree with abortion either... I happen to be against it on the whole, and generally speaking.
But, I refuse to condemn anyone opting for this, whatever their reasons.
because whatever their reasons, I can assure you, it's the very rare woman who takes the decision lightly, and just "because she wishes the pregnancy to go away". And if a woman chooses to abort, then she has a right to have that reason respected, and to be treated with Compassion, Understanding and Love. Not as a murderer and criminal.

You claim to be a follower of Jesus.
Try being as non-judgemental as he was, instead of condemning those whom you do not understand, out of hand.
This is the kind of attitude that makes me glad I do not share your beliefs.
Even if I did, I would distance myself from your opinion.

Some of your posts come across as spiteful.

LL is not being judgmental. Agreeing with judgements God has already made is discernment, not judgement.

Yes, but there are many good, faithful christians who don't wholeheartedly hang on every single word indiscriminately, because they know that just as the Bible has moved on, so has the broadened thinking power of those God has blessed with a brain...
Just as there are certain aspects of the Bible we don't promulgate within our modern and current society today (unclean menstruating women, stoning,) so there are other parameters that need to be appraised with a more magnanimous and forgiving attitude.
I haven't said LL is wrong to hold the opinions she does...it just strikes me as being very black-and-white with her, and excessively judgemental.
Abortion, for those who have one, is painful, distressing, heart-wrenching and desperate. Every single woman must know despair in her heart to consider such a move.
I just think that the attitude of others - even those violently opposed to the practise - should be more tolerant and loving...It's bad enough going through it, without the loud voices of those opposed, yelling 'murder' and 'rape' in their ears...
If the critics were able to directly experience the turnmoil and anguish of those concerned - Dirctly, physically feel it - then I think their voices might be less strident....
And we never know... we can never know what blows life will deal us....
We just need to be kind.

God says in Malachi, " I am the Lord and I change not" Truth does not change with man's thinking. Man just distorts it. God was, is, and always will be the same. The Bible is His inerrant Word.

As I said, I recognize my thoughts are a double standard. Can you lovelove? I just feel rape and incest would be horrible to deal with in and of themselves, add a pregnancy to it and you're asking someone to deal with surmountable issues, and lets just say...all at the age of 16?

If we don't hand out death sentences to rapists or molesters why would we do so to the unborn children that have no fault in the situation?

I do not know about Bible being the only word of God, but otherwise what you say- God says in Malachi, " I am the Lord and I change not" Truth does not change with man's thinking. Man just distorts it. God was, is, and always will be the same. is absolutely right. God never changes.

So you agree that menstruating women are unclean, and that the treatment meted out to women in this way is justified?

I don't think your opinions vary on the tragedy of death or the horrific nature of crime.... I think what varies is both of your definitions of "life".

Alexandra,
Because Jesus changed the nature of redemption with His crucifixion He also clarified what defiles people. The OT was symbolic of the spirit. Jesus went straight to the heart of it by declaring how people are defiled spiritually. By their words and deeds. A menstruating woman was symbolic of the stain of sin. But since people of the OT practiced the symbolic in place of the spritual, Jesus had to make clarifications. A menstruating woman is not unclean, literally. It was meant symbolically. People became so engrossed with the symbolic that they substituted it for the true nature of God's will. Jesus said the Father wished to be worshipped in spirit and truth.

I hear what you are saying; I think we also need to remember that some of the critics have become as strident as they are because they have experienced it, and perhaps have felt betrayed by those who would say "it's MY body" only to realize afterward that no amount of rationalizing is ever going to take the edge of the horror they are feeling day after day because of what they have done.

In the sense of "live and let live," let's give the strident critics the benefit of the doubt just as we would the mother who decides to kill her unborn child.

Years ago before abortion was legal, I volunteered at an illegal abortion clinic in New Orleans. I noticed that many of the women who marched out front were the same ones who brought their daughters in the back door at night.

Sylvia, I think you are anti-abortion. Your last sentence talks about killing an unborn child, when all that is happening is a mistake is being rectified.

I am also quite sure I regret quiting a job I had years ago, I regret a very horrid marriage to a man, I regret many things and yet none of them are undoable...life can easly be a series of regrets, of course some women will regret it, but I doubt far less than those who have regrets on a spouse or lover, or other decesions...

The reality is, its my body - I want to be able to do with it what I please, regretable or not.

Abortion is a tragedy in any case. If people like to screw around without taking proper precautions then they should accept responsibility for their actions.
Killing the life inside of them is not the awnser.
I feel for women who have to to that as it would not be an easy decision and the consequences she will face for doing such a thing,well lets not even go there.

The law of karma applies to abortion.I have experienced that myself.

The law of Karma works with every action we do.

Yes.

There is no karma there are consequences.

Unwanted children are a tragedy.

Could not agree more.
I think people who feel this way should get permanent birth control ASAP because every unwanted pregnancy that results in abortion is a tragedy also.

That is what Karma is.

permanent birth control? that is insanely drastic most people who do chose an abortion may want a child - just not at that time in there lives ...you can't jump and send everyone who gets an abortion to get their tubes tied geesh..

"every unwanted pregnancy that results in abortion is a tragedy also." ... that should be up to the woman to decide and deal with, not others.

LOTS of people (including many who are pro-life or are just over-breeding) should get permanently sterilized, but much as I'd like to, I don't suggest imposing it on them.

Many women are on birth control and are finding out it doesn't work. It didn't work for me, it didn't work for many of my friends.

I'm thankful I had a choice.

It could be up to anyone to decide if an abortion is a tragedy or not.After all we all know what an abortion is dont we? Its a way of ending a life growing inside a woman. I personally think that is a tragedy.

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Many women are on birth control and are finding out it doesn't work. It didn't work for me, it didn't work for many of my friends.

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Yes contraception fails but I do think some women dont use it correctley.Used correctley the pill is 99 % safe.There are millions of abortions performed each year and hat number is to high.

I am for prevention and for both partners to be more vigilant with birth control because it is not worth having an accident,a poor unwanted child that has to be destroyed.

"I personally think that is a tragedy." ... That's fine, then you shouldn't ever have an abortion. My point is that you shouldn't decide whether it's a tragedy for OTHER women, they have their own point of view about their life and body.

Yes of course a woman has her own point of view about their life and body but when it comes to an unplanned pregnancy it beccomes alot more complicated. Its not easy is it?

Unplanned pregnancies become a matter of great tension.

Want the answer? Here it is. Don't have sex AT ALL until you are married. Don't have sex with ANYONE other than your spouse and be happy if you get pregnant and raise your own children. Now, isn't that simple? Do that and abortion,adultery, and STDs will be a thing of the past.

How true. Each woman is different with her own circumstance. You can't just pile all experiences in the same boat and call it a tragedy.

It is a tragedy for the CHILD who is murdered. And it is always a tragedy for the wounded mother.

Prevention is the best. I have been married for 7 years and have never fallen pregnant because I am very responsible with birth control.

You don't fall when you are pregnant. Children are a blessing. You will never fully understand the depth of love for another human being until you have a child.

"You don't fall when you are pregnant. Children are a blessing. You will never fully understand the depth of love for another human being until you have a child."

jeasusfreak, you are so smug and clueless I have to laugh. Your statement above is just ridiculous.

Obviously you have no children and, therefore, no clue.

Yeah that's right, people w/no kids don't know anything about great love. We don't have families or others to love. Do you seriously believe there is only one great love in life? Jesus, if you open your mind up there's plenty of ways to greatly love. You and those like you are limiting yourselves.

People with no children can love greatly. People with children can love even more greatly. Our kids brought my wife and I closer. You would find that out if you had kids.

Lot's of things bring couples closer together, whatever.

Really?? Just like the mother who drowned her 5 children last year?

Or how about yesterday when a loving father put his 2 month old in a microwave for 20 seconds?

How dare you say I dont know the depth of love for another human just because I dont have children.YOu have proven yourself to be what you sound like - a very ignorant person.

hey jesusfreak, why don't you take your narrow-minded ideas, your rude behavior, and your penchant for preaching and put them in your back pocket for a little bit? Then go out into the world and meet people. Listen, don't preach. You'll be amazed at what you find. This world is full of loving, kind, good-hearted people. Their beliefs and lifestyles may be different from yours, but many of them can more than outmatch you in the capacity for love. Share it, don't berate it.

Really?? Just like the mother who drowned her 5 children last year?

Or how about yesterday when a loving father put his 2 month old in a microwave for 20 seconds?

How dare you say I dont know the depth of love for another human just because I dont have children.YOu have proven yourself to be what you sound like - a very ignorant person.


And lets not forget Susan Smith who drove her car into the lake with her two small sons still strapped inside. Or how about the mother who threw her three children off the pier in CA? Yeah, these women had experienced a FAR GREATER LOVE than I could possibly imagine; damn, must go get me an Instant Infant to feel totally fulfilled.

LOL instant infant? oh girl!!!

Is that like instant coffee? its never as good as fresh brewed!!!!

and you would miss the fun of making to fresh brewed!!


lol

You can give all the examples of misguided parents harming their children you like. But it does not change the fact that 99% of parents would die for their children. If any one of my children had a fatal disease and it were within my power to do so I would take that fatal disease out of my child, put it in myself, and die in their place. That is the kind of love that parenthood gives. That is EXACTLY what Jesus Christ did on the cross for you. That's how much each of you are worth to God. You are worth the life of the only begotten son of God.

I don't care a bit about your religious beliefs, and I think you should spread some of that superior love you're supposedly capable of around.

your love is no more superior than mine as a non parent I would do the same for my sister - and for my lover

Freakshow,youre delusional.

The freak is gone!!! Banned. I could not be happier to see anyone gone. But he will reappear under some other name and be equally obnoxious, I know. This is not the first time this jerk has found his way here and has been banned. Sadly, people respond to him rather than ignoring him. If we all just never respond to him the next time he arrives, he would leave sooner.

Yay!

Was it Texas dave?? Sure sounds like it was. Yes he will be back for sure.

pondlady,
How do you know Jesusfreak was banned? Was there something posted? Do you have inside info?

And the freak is already back under yet another name.....he is ignored already.

You cannot get rid of Texasdave. I just change IP addresses get a new e-mail address and I can return all I want. Then your ignore button has to be used again so banning me actually has a side benefit...for me.

Wow,youre one sick puppy.

I think pathetic is a better word

I will totally igore he whose name cannot be uttered, as well as any future obnoxious preachers. I don't mind a smart [censored], or anyone who wishes to discuss their christian point of view, but this type of sicko preaching I'll ignore. Much as I enjoy arguing I don't want to encourage this guy.

lot of anger going on in here.

This is an interesting supposition. Would you agree then that this mistake may be rectified up to the minutes before the actual birth itself, thus permitting partial birth abortions of an otherwise viable fetus? Or do you draw a line before the last trimester?

What is called partial birth abortion by the anti abortion league is done for
the most compelling of circumstances-- to protect a woman's health or life or because of grave fetal abnormality....nearly all abortions are performed in the first trimester. The late term abortion procedure is "done only in cases when the woman's life is in danger or in cases of extreme fetal abnormality." There are about 450 of these procedures done yearly. They are not done because of someone's whim or last minute decision: They are medical procedures done out of necessity.

After reading your post I did some research and it appears that the information you have is flawed. According to Ron Fitzgerald of the NCAP there are somewhere between 3,000 and 5,000 late term abortions performed on a yearly basis.

Seeing that the procedure is very much akin to that of an induced still birth, I do not understand how this kind of giving birth protects the mother's health or life yet how giving birth in an induced procedure at the same time in pregnancy to a live infant will jeopardize her health or life. Could you please explain?

I think the information on late term abortion depends upon whose study you read. There are hundreds of stats out there, most likely none of them true or valid. We all use numbers/statistics to prove our points when nothing whatsoever will change anyone's mind.

Freakonomics!

If late term abortions are done just because the woman changes her mind then that is a worry.
I believe that would be rarley the case but even once is to much. Surely that is not allowed and can anyone here say a woman has a right to terminate a 6 month old fetus??? NO WAY! That has got to be called murder.

Is there any medically documented case that proves how a late term abortion has saved a woman's life?

this most compelling of circumstances is a crock. If a child "needs' to be aborted so late into gestation, then this presuposes that said child is viable outside of the womb. There is no sudden onset of 'must kill' orders for a child at this stage, it is only done for the sake of last minute changes of mind. One doctor mentioned in a study had been an OB for 36 years and had NEVER seen a delivery or medical need for him to remove a viable child forcibly from the womb in order to 'save the mother's life. IF (and this is a large if)a mother instantaneously develops a life threatening illness the child can be delivered safely via csec posing less/or equal to risks to mother and *compared to fatality* much less risk for viable human.
It is always going to be a tragedy to needlessly end a life, whether it's by elective abortion, murder, rape, suicide, etc. A person is no less a person if they are small, tiny, retarded, or a certain color. We cannot make distinctions on such fallacies. I have been pregnant,more than once, and each time a human resulted. Come to think of it, that's how I got here. Who are we to say who gets to live or why, by what right is this given to us. I have a special needs child who was born with a random genetic disorder on the extreme end of the autistic spectrum. She did not choose this, I sure as heck didn't, but without her here I would not be who I am. She would never get to bug the fool out of me for a Dorito, or chocolate (proving once and for all she has my tastebuds) If we don't suppose that life is a gift for all of us, then we get down to deciding for whom it is NOT a right. Some on here will not have any other person tell them it's not their RIGHT to be a lesbian, to smoke, drink, or eat cheesecake. All this hubbaloo about MY RIGHTS is just a smoke screen. We don't want our alleged rights taken away from us, so we are quick to remove them from whoever incoveniences us.
I wish more people would just be honest about what goes on with abortion. We are all intelligent women, and men (usually)and we ought to be able to call a spade a spade. Abortion terminates, ends or otherwise causes the cessation of life. Period. No religiospeak, be man or woman enough to call it what it is and not pussyfoot around with less than pleasant terminology.

I am just curious why Texasdave continues to FORCE himself on people who don't seem to care what he says. Doesn't sound very Christian to me.

Frankly I give NO TIME to what men say about abortion and I never will unless they can grow a uterus and find out what pregnancy really is.

I think men should be careful what they wish for, if these right wing fundies actually manage to deprive women of this right, I think women should respond by with holding sex from them ALL.

Just a thought.

ACK! I saw this post and went "auughh, he's back again?!?"

Thankfully, it looks like his last post was made back in May.

Dear Patience,

Your words sound good and once I would have agreed with them. In fact I still certainly believe that every child has the right to be wanted and loved and treated with care and respect.

Did you know that incidents of child abuse have quadrupled since 1973 when abortion was legalized? When we open the door to killing a child in the womb, pretending that it is somehow kind to the child, it is a small step to hitting, shaking, screaming at and otherwise abusing a live child who is inconveniencing or annoying the mother.

In addition, did you know that according to recent studies, 66% of women "choosing" abortion in America made that decision under coercion? That's no real choice. In many ways, abortion has made the lives of women and children much worse, rather than being a step towards "emanicipation" -- as envisioned by the Supreme Court Justices.

Reply: So don't have one. By the way, Roe v. Wade protects ProLife women's choice too. If the government has the right to mandate gestation, they then have the right to mandate abortion. Think China. Why are you PLers shooting yourselves in the foot. Do you hate PL women?

Judging by your comments about women (ones you probably fantasise about) in your very first paragraph, the rest of your post can't be taken seriously.

If people on here are serious about caring for the meek or voiceless, they would GO VEGAN. Every day, animals in our care are skinned alive, dismembered alive, and worse, and JUST to supply humans with foods that cause cancer and other debilitating diseases. And I am supposed to believe that if I'm pregnant, some callous meat-eater is going to raise my child if I don't want it? The world is totally overpopulated. Abortion is not only necessary, but it is welcome. The baby doesn't die, it stays on the other side. There is no death. Meanwhile, you're more avoidantly and escapist-like in your focus on a freakin zygote in someone else's body, while you trash your own with chemicals, fast food, and other poisons, as well as feed your kids such deadly foods. Grow up and look into it. These same people that push for as many unwanted babies as possible being born, do NOT push for any other "amendments" to this crackpot society. WHY would I bring a child into a world where women are treated like [censored], like blow-up dolls, and porn mags are available at freakin Barnes & Noble, where everybody sits glued in front of their tv's for hours on end every day, and people are falling ill due to diet all the time. NONE of these people care at all about preserving the water and land and animals that are all on their way out the door.....yet I am supposed to believe they care about "life"? They don't add up. Actions speak louder than words. It isn't about "abortion". I am all for it, honestly. Show me that you care about the meek by going vegan. Show me you care at all if these unborn "miracles" have clean water or air, and I mean show me with your ACTIONS, and then I just MIGHT believe you. Otherwise, you are just sorely misguided. www.factoryfarming.com

How about those pregnancies that are product of rape? This is NOT a black and white subject- way too much gray to say it is cut and dry. besides, that is just way too harsh of a judgment to make without having all the facts in someone's situation.