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Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal?

Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/09/09 10:26 PM

Everyone seems to praise most male super hero movies like 'Spider-man' and 'Batman' - so why do movies like 'Supergirl', Elektra' and 'Catwoman' get canned by the critics? OKay - they ruined Catwoman with that movie, it was nothing like the comic, the character wasn't even Selina Kyle (Catwoman) but a cat woman crazy. Supergirl was a great movie for its time though, and I think Elektra holds up as well as most of the other superhero movies - so why do the girls get such a bad rep??? Like the Wonder Woman that hasn't got off the ground, why not when DC's other two stars, Superman and Batman are doing so well? What's ppls thoughts?
Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/11/09 09:03 PM

Anyone have any views?? LOL
Posted By: Chelle - Marriage Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/12/09 01:07 AM

Sorry Steven - I've had a migraine, and missed this.

I liked Elektra, and I LOVED the Tomb Raider movies. Lara Croft is definitely a good "superhero". She's gorgeous, sexy, smart, and can totally kick butt!!!

I think there are other female superheroes, too that are no shrinking violets:
Jean Grey AKA Phoenix
Storm
Linda Hamilton from the Terminator movies
Ridley from the Alien movies
Whistler's daughter in Blade Trinity

When my head isn't about to explode, I'll think of some more.
Posted By: Jilly

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/12/09 05:24 AM

I'm a fan of Xena and Buffy, although that's TV, not movies.
Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/12/09 03:06 PM

Well 'Buffy The Vampire Slayer' started off as a movie, so you're right in a way - I love Buffy (Sarah Michelle Geller's version)! She has got to be one of my all time fave characters, I never missed an episode, I was so upset when it ended, eight years of seeing someone every week gone! cry Plus, they were going to make a Xena movie, but Lucy Lawless didn't want to do it, same as with Sarah and a Buffy movie sequel.

I really loved Elektra too! Thought it was great, but the other characters are X-men and part of a team - Storm etc. Tomb Raider is now a comic book hero, forgot about her - and yeah she is great, but see - her second movie got panned by the critics too.

I wouldn't class Sarah Conner or Ellen Ripley as comic book heroes, they're movie heroes, but I see your point. Do you guys agree that women superheroes, when trying to carry the film alone, on their own back always get critisised? I can't think of one that was supported by critics or a large number of fans.
I'm really looking forward to seeing Emma Frost in the new Wolverine movie BTW, I hope they don't ruin her character like they did with Jean Grey turning into the Phoenix.
Posted By: Mikie

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/13/09 05:47 AM

Yeah I have to agree on the whole they ruin the Female Superhero when it comes to movies. Then again what to the critics know? They give terrible reviews to movies and yet people still enjoy them, I don't read reviews but make my own mind up on the movie once I have watched it.

Tombraider I thought both movies were good and I enjoyed Elektra although I think you may find the budget for X-Men was more hence it probably looked a lot better. Buffy was good (Although I prefered Angel) some others for you to think about were Aeon Flux and Ultraviolet..
Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/13/09 06:15 PM

Couldn't stand Ultraviolet, all style over substance. Angel better than Buffy!!! LOL - you must be kidding. It was so boring! I did love it when Angel used to turn back into Angelus though, but the end of Angel ruined it for me. Buffy was fantastic (apart from Dawn).

Havn't seen Aeon Flux, don't even know what its about (well very little) I agree with you, I always make my own mind up on movies - I think a lot of critics tend to reccomend arty rubbish which they think should be reccomended. Not that theres not great arty films LOL.

Actually the budget was big for Elektra, I do think they should have made her more savage and less remourceful like the character should be - but I love Jennifer Garner and in all I thought it was a really great movie smile
Posted By: Mikie

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/14/09 03:32 PM

I actually thought Ultraviolet was better that Aeon Flux but that's just a personal preference. I tend to watch these movies not expecting the greatest but with an open enough mind to enjoy them for what they are. Neither were brilliant by any means.

Buffy was okay well for what I have seen of them at least not watched them all by any means. I bought the box set of angel and have watched about half of it so far and it's been enjoyable enough. Buffy was going to be one of my next box sets to get to watch it all the way through.

Was the budget for Elektra in the same category as X-Men or Batman though? If it was I'd be very disappointed..
Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/14/09 05:52 PM

No, it wasn't the same as the X-men movies, possibly the first X-men, but then due to the success of that film the budgets got higher with each following movie.
It depends on which Batman movie you're referring to - if it's 'The Dark Knight' the budget on that was through the roof, it was a huge production. But I'd rather watch Elektra over The Dark knight anyday - I found it too dull. I love the two Tim Burton Batman movies, but the rest have all been a let down IMO. I did really like Two Face in TDK, though they never made enough use of him.
It's a shame, I think, they've made it all about Batman - when it was never supposed to be like that. Plus, it takes itself way too seriously - its a comic book movie - not a gritty crime drama LOL. But I know lots of ppl enjoyed it. It's just not one of those movies I can imagine watching over and over, where as 'Batman' and 'Batman Returns' I've watched hundreds of times (literally LOL)
Posted By: Craig58

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/14/09 06:33 PM

Supergirl was ruined because it was a weak script and the producers felt the need to put a sappy teen love interest in the film for Supergirl. I don't understand why Supergirl would fall in love with some college age jock at first sight. They treated her like some silly dimwitted teenage blonde with super powers. They made her appear to be completely naive about everything going on around her. It was a good hero character that was given a bad script and treated like a teenage twit. It could have been so much better. I hope someday to see a Supergirl movie that is treated intelligently and respectfully.
Posted By: Craig58

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/14/09 06:43 PM

In the X-Men movies the women are not treated with respect because the films concentrate so much on Wolverine. Watch the 2nd and 3rd X-Men films and notice how much of those movies are about Wolverine. All the other characters are secondary players compared to the amount of screen time given to Wolverine. Wolverine does not have the strongest powers, yet in both the movies and the comics he is the most heavily featured character. The powers that Storm and Jean Grey have are much more significant than Wolverine's metal claws. Either Storm or Jean Grey could defeat him easily in a fight. But the fans seem to enjoy the masculine Wolverine with his metal claws so he gets the majority of the time on the silver-screen and the majority of pages in the comics too.
Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/14/09 07:01 PM

I completley agree with you (like you're avatar BTW smile )
I actually liked the Supergirl movie when I was a child, but I think they could do an amazing one now - she's a far more interesting character than Superman in the comics I think. I loved the way Turner brought her back - if they did something like that it would be amazing.

I agree on the Wolverine front a lot - I don't see the appeal, and X 3 really annoyed me with the Phoenix listening to Magneto when she wouldn't have listened to anyone! She is the strongest creature in the universe for God's sake LOL. They could have made that brilliant, but it was too many stories going on - and Bryan Singer leaving for Superman Returns was a huge dissapointment. I also didn't like the way they got rid of Mystique so early on - one of the best characters, for me. Everyone I know who reads the comics or even watched the cartoon (90's) was very dissapointed with the 3rd one in particular. Woulda loved to have seen more of Storm and Jean Grey. I'm looking forward to seeing Gambit and Emma Frost in the Wolverine Origins movie, but I'm sure they won't get represented as well as they should sadly. Emma Frost could kill Wolverine with just a thought as well as Jean LOL smile
Posted By: Craig58

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/15/09 12:37 AM

I agree on criticisms about Jean Grey/Phoenix in X3. Plus why did they do things so unlike the comics? Why did Phoenix disintegrate Scott(Cyclops), her love and Professor X, but she couldn't do the same to Wolverine while he slow walked up to her to kill her. I don't buy the excuse he heals superfast. She disintegrated so many other people in a split second why didn't she do that to Wolverine? In the comics she did not kill anyone of the X-men, Professor X or her friends. She killed herself to save them all from her powerful, uncontrollable dark side. Also, in the comics she, as Dark Phoenix, consumed an entire star causing it to go nova and destroy a planet and the billions of people on it. She can do all that but she can't harm Wolverine? Are you kidding me? The only one strong enough to defeat the Dark Phoenix was Jean Grey herself.
Posted By: Craig58

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/15/09 12:48 AM

I disagree about "Superman Returns". I really liked it. I thought I wouldn't, but I really liked it a lot. I enjoyed how the Lois, Clark/Superman relationship was so much more complex. It was so much more interesting than the Cinderella falls for Hercules type love story from the 1978 Superman movie. I even enjoyed the addition of her new finance and her son. The characters were so much more interesting and much less two-dimensional as in the previous movies. It was exciting to see Superman fall to Earth like Icarus flying too close to the sun after he saves the world from Lex Luthor's evil plot. I enjoyed watching how Lois and the world reacted to the fall of their hero and savior. The scene in the hospital with the boy was very touching. I liked how it was the son kissing Superman on the forehead and not Lois that seemed to help revive him. There was so much more character to this movie not just the superhero action. It was a very good movie.
Posted By: Chelle - Marriage Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/15/09 06:20 PM

If we start compring the X-Men movies to the comics - then the whole thing was messed up to begin with.

My favorite character of all times from the comics was Rogue - and I about had a fit when I saw what they had turned her into in the movie!

So I just decided to take the movies on their own merit and not compare them to the comics at all. It makes it a lot happier towatch that way. (Like multiple man being one of the major bad guys in X2, when he was part of the X-Force team in the comics - ok, I'll stop complaining now)
Posted By: Chelle - Marriage Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/15/09 06:24 PM

I also think this is the big reason Wonder Woman has not been made yet.

They are trying to figure out how to make her character remain true to the comic, but update her to current times. Make her "edgy" and tough instead of just some sex symbol running around in a red, white, and blue bathing suit.

After "Watchmen" comic book movies are going to be very interesting, I believe.
Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/16/09 12:32 AM

I agree that they should have just stuck to the Phoenix story-line and had all the X-men teaming up, with Jean finally having to do the internal fighting, as she has done in all the Phoenix versions. The cartoon Phoenix Saga was better than X3 - and I actually do think these movies owe a certain obligation to staying true to the comics to an extent.

I myself preffered Superman Returns to the other Superman movies, I just thought that X3 would have been a lot better with Singer behind it. I thought the actress that played Louis Lane was terrible in 'SR' though - she wasn't strong enough - and her wig was terrible LOL. I'm also so bored with seeing Lex as the only villain. There are way more interesting ones which they havn't used. I think Smallville does a better job with Supes than anything else. I wish they'd cast Tom Welling instead of Brandon Routh (he's a much better Superman I think), who was obviously only cast because he looked so much like Christopher Reeves, who I never thought fitted the part of Supes anyways, although I liked his Clark Kent. Superman has always been too good for my liking, I always preffered Batman to the 'boy-scout' LOL.

I thought Rogue was dealt with okay in the movies...I mean if they'd done her full intro then you'd have the whole past with Mystique and her putting Ms Marvel in a coma, which I hated Rogue for. IMO, Rogue is a lot like Wolvrine in the way they've given her far too much power in the comics and not enough personality.

With comic book movies, I have to say the thing that has annoyed me more than anything, was to put MJ in Gwen Stacy's role in the first Spider-man. I was literally furious! I love Gwen, and that was one of the biggest comic stories of all time - you just don't change thing's like that. I do like the spider-man movies though, and I can't wait for 4 and 5.

I still havn't seen Watchmen, I've actually never got into the comics TBH, although my friend likes them a lot.
Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/16/09 12:38 AM

Actually, I think that Joss Whedon wrote a brilliant script for Wonder Woman, and I can't believe they never wen't forward with it. I mean who knows stronger women better than Whedon - he certainly does an amazing job with Buffy. In the comics, Diana is so strong - I mean she can even kick Superman's butt. I think ppl always think of the TV show with WW as they used to with Batman until Burton came along.

If they do make the movie, I hope they cast an unknown though - to think Beyonce is interested is just ridiculous. I don't think the actress that plays her should have any ties to another media.
Posted By: Craig58

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/16/09 03:24 AM

Don't get me started on the Batman movies. I hate the last two. And was not that crazy about all the ones done in the 1980s and 90s. The best thing about all those movies was Jack Nicholson as Joker. I didn't like the last Joker despite all the press hype he got for it. Why are there so many explosions and so much destruction in the last two movies? Since when is a Batman story about huge explosions and destruction? Where is the detective part of Batman. He is the Dark Knight Detective, not just the Dark Knight. Batman is a detective not just another Hollywood action hero. I also hate how they made Ras Al Guhl his mentor and teacher in Batman Begins. I don't know who the producers thought that character was, but it was not Ras Al Guhl. That character bares not the slightest resemblance to Ras Al Guhl as he originated in Batman and Detective comics. Ras Al Guhl was a devious villian. Batman almost fell in love with his daughter. One thing Ras Al Guhl wasn't was the head of some Kung Fu vigilante society. It is one thing to do things differently in the movies than in the comics. It is another to completely change the character into something completely different.
Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/16/09 06:14 PM

Yeah, I didn't like the two latest Batman movies, they were too much like the latest Bond movies. 'Batman Returns' is my fave superhero film of all time though, I think it's superb. I agree that Jack was a much better Joker than poor Heath too. The thing I most disliked about 'The Dark Knight' was the fact they chnged Joker's origin and everything about him - where was the Joker gas? etc. They've taken all the fun out of the COMIC book movies. Agree about Ras Al Guhl as well - that was nearly as bad as Katie Holmes acting LOL.
Posted By: alda

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/28/09 10:45 PM

hey there! I love Aeon Flux (Charlize Theron), UltraViolet and Resident Evil(Mira jovovich)! Never get bored of watching it again and again..hehe..i'm a sucker for hot female superheroes with bad attitude breaking the rules for the good reasons. oh yeah! Deffinately sexy.. Plus if those of you ladies appreciates creativeness of producing this type of sci fi movie, then i think u'll know where i'm coming from. Supergirl - never cross my mind of watching it though. hearing from ur post Craig58, thank god! U saved an hour period time in my life! lol Blade - Jessica Biel - hot! Character wise - I like! Underworld - Kate Beckinsale - sexy - dark - vampire - I like! Wanted - Angelina Jolie - sexy with guns - nice tattoo - cool story line - funny - I love it! Hehe..Take care! Alda
Posted By: Horror_Movies_Editor

Re: Do you think female superheroes get a bad deal? - 03/29/09 08:52 PM

I honestly don'y undertsand the appeal of Kate Beckinsale, in both her sci-fi movies she's so caked in make-up, and I think she's still average looking at best.

Resident Evil was terrible compared to the games, those movies got everything completley wrong, I'd much rather return to my childhood and watch Supergirl, plus Helen Slater is beautiful and healthy looking, unlike the stick insects that is Milla.

Jessica Biel is hot, but Blade 3 was a bit of a dissapointment.

Angelina Jolie - blah! LOL
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