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The Goddess

Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

The Goddess - 12/29/06 03:01 AM

Belief in the Great Goddess was a common thing during pre-Christianity days. Matriarchal societies flourished and the Earth was seen as The Great Mother, the provider of all things. In every culture there are remnants of the Goddess, even in Christianity within the wisdom of Sophia. In many Eastern cultures, the Goddess is still seen as a guiding force. Why is it then, that in our Western culture we can easily relate to a male deity and the patriarchal attitudes that accompany that belief and yet not believe in a feminine counterpart? Can you believe that divinity may take the shape of a woman? Can you relate to a female deity as well as a male deity? Why? Why not?

Love and Light..
Posted By: AnaMaree

Re: The Goddess - 12/29/06 06:09 AM

I relate more to the female, giver of life... it takes both. I cannot comprehend that one is greater than the other, they are just 2 parts of a much larger whole to me...
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 12/29/06 06:41 AM

Quote:
Belief in the Great Goddess was a common thing during pre-Christianity days. Matriarchal societies flourished and the Earth was seen as The Great Mother, the provider of all things. In every culture there are remnants of the Goddess, even in Christianity within the wisdom of Sophia. In many Eastern cultures, the Goddess is still seen as a guiding force. Why is it then, that in our Western culture we can easily relate to a male deity and the patriarchal attitudes that accompany that belief and yet not believe in a feminine counterpart? Can you believe that divinity may take the shape of a woman? Can you relate to a female deity as well as a male deity? Why? Why not?

Love and Light..


In India, female deity is respected as much as male. Rather more.
Posted By: MeSheWolf

Re: The Goddess - 12/30/06 04:03 AM

If there were no female we would not know what male was. It boggles the mind to think that some would actually deny that in everything there must be an equal and opposite, but it happens everyday. Yes, I believe in both a male and female diety. (By the way, I'm an open minded Christian/Wiccan). LOL... Just don't tell my local church!
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 12/31/06 12:58 AM

My lips are sealed MeSheWolf. Even the Unitarian Universalist Church that I belong to had problems when I arrived and immediately taught "Cakes for the Queen of Heaven" a course about the Great Goddess. And, on top of that I started a CUUPS (Covenant of Unitarian Universalist Pagans) chapter. It has been a couple of years now and they finally are beginning to understand that we are not Satan worshippers and that the Pentagram is not a sign of the devil. Now, they actually miss it when we don't begin our meetings with the benediction to the Great God and Benevolent Goddess. Love and Light..
Posted By: texasdave

Re: The Goddess - 02/10/07 04:31 PM

MeSheWolf,
There are no Christian wiccas. One cannot serve two masters.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/10/07 05:33 PM

That might be one opinion of the matter lovelove.. I am sure there are many others.. Love and Light...
Posted By: texasdave

Re: The Goddess - 02/11/07 12:38 PM

O.K. spirituality, then explain how one can follow Christ and be a wicca witch when the Bible clearly says witchcraft is wrong? How can you be true to both? Please explain.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/11/07 12:46 PM

I am not a Wiccan/Christian, but I have friends who are, and I do not discount their right to believe as they do, nor do I attempt to explain it. I do not judge, nor do I question. I hold their opinions of belief to be valid and correct for who they are. That is called respect and honor... and that is part of my belief system.

Love and Light...
Posted By: texasdave

Re: The Goddess - 02/12/07 12:20 AM

I knew you were referring to your friends. I don't call that respect and honor. I call it silly. No one can be a Christian wicca. There is no such thing. Jesus said we cannot serve two masters so if you serve wicca then Christ is not your master and you are , therefore, not a Christian. That is not judgement. It is spiritual discernment.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/12/07 12:34 AM

Back onto the topic of The Goddess. I am fascinated by the Hindu Goddesses cdmohatta. Especially the concept of Shakti and Shiva. Like the Hebrew Goddess Sophia or Shekinah, Shakti is the vital life force that weaves through all things. The Goddess is perhaps seen as a more approachable deity, a sort of buffer between the people and the Creator. I guess as mothers we can understand that..<smile> Love and Light..
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 02/12/07 04:14 AM

Hi Linda,

It's easy for me to relate to a masculine diety because I was raised in a christian tradition. Adding in the "mother" aspect was a wee bit strange for me at first, but as I got used to the idea I liked it better and better. A few years ago I read something about the Shekinah aspect of God and something just clicked. Now a mother-father-God makes perfect sense to me wink and I cannot imagine my view of God not containing a great mother aspect.

And I LOVE your articles!!!
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/15/07 01:44 AM

I can't help but wonder why people cannot recognize the Goddess aspect of the Earth itself. When I see the new life coming up through the snow even in February, I am amazed at the complexity of this beautiful planet. The Earth knows what to grow, when to grow it, and how to nurture it. Isn't this a lot like motherhood?

Many religions see the Earth as not being alive or worthy of respect and honor. I see the Earth as being the means that keeps us all alive. Without the Earth we could not exist. I don't know what a Great Creator may be.. know one does. We can only guess.

But, I can see the Earth, I can feel the Earth, and I KNOW that it exists as our sustainer and our provider. And, because of that we should give her the love and honor that we are so quick at times to give to an unknown Creator.

Love and Light..
Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/15/07 09:00 AM

many years ago, I asked my Catholic Parish priest - a dear friend - to explain to me the concept of the Holy Spirit. I just couldn't get my head round it - Jesus, yes, God, well, ok - but where does this 'Holy Spirit' come into it?
His response bot surprised and delighted me.

"she", he said, "SHE is the Love that flows between."

Inspite of my views having changed, and my having chosen to follow a different path, his words still resonate with me as an acknowledgement of the Feminine alongside the Masculine.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/15/07 07:09 PM

Wonderful lesson Alexandra!

The Goddess never really left us. She has always been there in all of the religious teachings. We see her as Sophia, Shekinah, Mary, and especially in Gaia, the Earth.

She is and has always been the tread that weaves through
everything.


In Jeremiah 7;17-18 God speaks to Jeremiah saying;

�Do you not see what they do in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem? The children gather wood and the fathers kindle the fire, and the women knead the dough to makes cakes to the Queen of Heaven and to pour out libations to the other gods, in order to anger me!�

He tells Jeremiah that if the people do not stop this worship and turn only to Him, a great catastrophe will befall them.

Their answer? �When we poured out libations to the Queen of Heaven, we had enough to eat, we had no war, and when we stopped doing that we went hungry and we died by the sword and through famine.�
Posted By: texasdave

Re: The Goddess - 02/16/07 05:34 PM

They were angering him because the queen of heaven is a false god. There is only one God and He calls Himself, Father.
Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/16/07 05:36 PM

God is a mysoginist - ?!?
Posted By: texasdave

Re: The Goddess - 02/16/07 09:34 PM

God is genderless. He refers to Himself as "Father" because of His dominating qualities are in the masculine realm. He is describing Himself in a way that we can more easily understand. Actually, the combination of male and female qualities combined are a more accurate description of God's image." Let us create man in our image" refers to both feminine and masculine qualities. Remember we are a reflection of HIM not the other way around.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/17/07 03:42 AM

Actually Lovelove, The old Goddess based religions were around thousands of years before Christianity was even thought of. The matriarchal societies were peaceful and community based. Women and children were highly valued and respected. They were no threat at all to the Christians.

But since the God of the Hebrews was a Rabbi, his opinion of women was Rabbincal based. And, since the newborn Christians based their entire basis on the book of the Hebrews, it is not surprising that between the two.. women became seen as unclean, responsible for all the sins in the world, and inferior to their male counterparts.

God, the Rabbi demanded that these unclean, Goddess worshipping women be punished for their sins. Temples to the Goddess were viciously demolished and people who refused to turn away from their peaceful societies were brutally punished.

The Goddess represented the Earth and it's cycles, the moon, the tides, the sun, the crops, the harvest, and community. What is wrong with that? What crime had the Great Goddess committed to bring the self righteous wrath of the Biblical God upon her?

Women are more than half of the world's population, and yet we are still not totally seen as being as intelligent, capable, and worthy as our male counterparts. We still bear the old dogma of a long gone civilization as a mark of sin.

If some women still wish to bow down at the feet of a God that considers them to be second best, unclean, the bearer of grief to the world, and subserviant to men... let them do so.

As for me, I refuse to honor that type of God. If I will not honor or respect a man who treats me with that kind of disrespect.. why would I honor a deity that thinks of me that way?

Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 02/17/07 05:11 AM

Originally Posted By: lovelove
God is genderless.

I agree with you about above. I know it to be true.

He refers to Himself as "Father" because of His dominating qualities are in the masculine realm. He is describing Himself in a way that we can more easily understand. Actually, the combination of male and female qualities combined are a more accurate description of God's image." Let us create man in our image" refers to both feminine and masculine qualities. Remember we are a reflection of HIM not the other way around.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/17/07 05:44 AM

Where in the Bible, anywhere in the Bible does scripture present God as a female? Where in the Bible is the term God the Mother? Sophia is the closest God gets to female gender, as she is described as the wisdom of God.

I am definately not a reflection of HIM. I am a woman and therefore do not denote masculine gender. The Gnostics, on the other hand, often referred to God as Divine Mother and Father. Of course, they weren't speaking of the false God in Heaven, but of the higher unnamed God which is a loving and benevolent Creator.
Posted By: texasdave

Re: The Goddess - 02/18/07 11:40 PM

I speak in the spirit. You are more than gender. Your feminine attributes, not your physical gender, is what I am talking about. Mankind is man and woman. God created mankind after His own image.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/19/07 12:15 AM

Lovelove, Than I can only assume that you don't mind if I refer to divinity as the Goddess, since more than half of humankind is female, and created in HER image.
Posted By: texasdave

Re: The Goddess - 02/19/07 04:32 AM

Except that God refers to Himself as masculine. So that is the truth. Regardless of either of our opinions.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/19/07 04:06 PM

Of course you see Divinity as masculine because you BELIEVE in that God. I CHOOSE to see Divinity as feminine because I CHOOSE to BELIEVE that there is a benevolent and loving Goddess in charge of all this, and I can SEE her reflected in the EARTH and in MYSELF. Neither one of us is right.. neither one of us is wrong. Those are our CHOICES.

Love and Light..
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/19/07 06:36 PM

There is no goddess. That is a lie from way back.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/19/07 09:03 PM

That is your opinion Dave. And, of course, like anyone else in this forum, you are entitled to your opinion.

Love and Light..
Posted By: texasdave

Re: The Goddess - 02/20/07 10:02 AM

That is not Dave's opinion. It is truth. I will pray for you Spirituality, that you will come to know that.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/20/07 03:52 PM

I wonder if women have become strong enough to take a stand and refuse to be swept under the carpet ever again. Now, mind you, I am not a feminist, but I am a woman. And, as a woman, I have encountered prejudice and discrimination because of my gender.

I can't help but wonder how women became so pushed back in society. Even a hundred years ago they didn't have the right to vote.

We have come a very long way toward equality. And, perhaps one of the last arenas we have left to conquer is organized religion. Women are becoming Priests and Rabbis, few and far between, but it is starting to happen. Almost every church out there encourages women to become ministers and pastors, with the small exception of a few that still are of the thought that women should be seen and not heard and submissive to their mates... HAAAAA... not this one. Respect and honor.. yes... submissive... nope.

With the popularity of Earth based religions growing every day.. we are seeing the re-emergence of the Goddess. More and more people are aware of the connection between the old harvest festival days and the cycles of the Earth.

I wonder if there will be a time when women are totally equal with men.. or at least that our voices are heard equally. I don't think that on many levels we want to equal with men. What we don't need to become is men in women's bodies either.

I hope all of this makes sense..

Love and Light...


Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 03:25 PM

Spirituality,
Did you not say in several of your posts that there is no right or wrong? So dicrimination or prejudice against women is not necessarily wrong then, right?
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 03:33 PM

Ignoring Dave.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess *DELETED* - 02/21/07 03:33 PM

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Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 03:35 PM

where IS the ignore button, by the way?
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 03:41 PM

There isn't any Alexandra..lol.. I am just plugging my ears so I can't hear him..

Love and Light...
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 03:49 PM

It was a legitimate question based on what you've stated in other posts.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 04:28 PM

If you have an issue with superiority Dave, and therefore cannot accept women as equals, that is your problem. Apparently you have difficulty in accepting the principle of a feminine Divine. I can't stop you from being prejudice against women if that is what you choose. Does it make it a right or a wrong way to believe? I suppose that is up to the person who has the belief. As it has been pointed out on the forum, in some countries rape is not considered to be wrong, nor is prejudice. Right and wrong are actually opinions based on our culture and our individual values. What is right for one culture may be wrong for another. Who can judge? Which is why I can honestly say.. There is no right or wrong way to believe on a spiritual level.. or at least until every person in this world can agree on a clear cut "truth" of what is right and what is wrong.
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 04:33 PM

Well, Here's what I say. Rape is wrong. Prejudice against women is wrong. Jesus treated women FAR better than the culture of the time. I try to treat women the way Jesus did. With respect. You want to believe that it's O.K. to have some cultures treat women like dirt and then not judge them? Fine. But that will just let evil flourish. " The only thing that evil requires for victory is for good men to do nothing."
Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 04:42 PM

Actually, I do have to say, that in every biblical account, the one person who treated women in a far more respectful way than anyone else, before him or after him, Biblically speaking, was Jesus.
many ills have befoallen Women, at the hands of Men, with religion as an excuse or justification.

This has been mentioned before, but there is an excellent book available - written by a Man - called "Mysogyny - The World's Oldest prejudice".

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Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 04:50 PM

Right, wrong, good and evil are all based on opinion. I can only give you my opinion about rape. I consider it to be wrong, as I consider prejudice to be wrong. There are alot of things, including belief in the Christian God, that I consider to be wrong for me. But, by the same token you consider belief in the Christian God to be right for you. So, who is right and who is wrong? Based on what Criteria. To a Muslim Allah is right, to a Buddhist Buddha is right. What spiritual yardstick do we use to measure who is right and who is wrong?

To a suicide bomber it is right that he blows himself and other's up. To us it is wrong. The leaders of countries invade other countries and create war over the principles of right and wrong. In fact, isn't every war that is fought, fought over the principles of right and wrong? Does any one person or country hold the monopoly on right or wrong?

No Dave, right and wrong can't be defined as yet. As I said, until the entire world can sit down and define what is right and what is wrong and agree to abide by those concepts, right and wrong are subject to opinion.

Love and Light..
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 04:58 PM

There is a truth that supercedes the human condition. That precedes time. That rises above the frailities of the human heart and the pride of mind. It is the truth of God. When we put ourselves below that then we have a foundation that we build upon. When we build our houses on shifting sands then the storm comes and chaos reigns and the house comes down. Relativism has no truth and therefore is self contadictory. Because saying "truth is relative" is an absolute statement and if there are no absolutes then the statement refutes itself.
Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 05:00 PM

Yor Truth is merely opinion, because it has no universal concensus. Once everybody unconditionally accepts it at you do, then it's a Universal Truth. Until then, it's just a Point of View, an opinion....With no concrete definition.
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/21/07 05:02 PM

Truth is independent of concensus. By definition, it is above it.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/22/07 03:20 AM

Truth requires proof, and proof must be based upon something tangible. The only way you can possibly win this debate Dave is to produce God and have him appear before me. If God is truth and you are in touch with God, then having him make a public appearence to prove that he exists should not be a problem.

Since you are the one who is stating that you have the "truth" it is up to you to prove it. Prove to me beyond a shadow of a doubt that God exists.

I see the Earth, I feel the Earth, I smell the Earth, I taste the Earth, and I touch the Earth. The Earth exists beyond the shadow of a doubt. I can prove that. I believe in the Earth as a feminine form of divinity. I can prove that. The Earth gives procreates, sustains and nourishes her offspring, and goes through the cycles of life.

That is more than enough for me.. and a thousand times more than you can prove regarding the existence of God.

And, hey everyone.. we are still staying on topic!!

Love and Light.. Linda
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/22/07 04:58 PM

There is order in the universe. Order only comes from intelligence. Randomness and chaos do not produce sustainable order. The universe itself is proof of God.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/23/07 03:52 AM

The Universe could have been created by anything at all.. depending on your belief. There is nothing random or chaotic about the Goddess.. In order to prove that the Biblical God created anything.. You still first have to prove his existance. I prefer to think of the Goddess as Creatrix.. Neither one of us is right or wrong.. we just have our opinions.

Love and Light...
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/23/07 10:05 AM

Well, at least you don't believe randomness created it. That's good.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/23/07 03:16 PM

Hi Dave...No, I don't believe it was randomness.. To much order among the chaos. But, defining a Creator is a matter of choice.

Love and Light.. Linda
Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/23/07 04:41 PM

Within order there is Chaos, within Chaos there is order.... YinYang, BlackWhite, MaleFemale... it's necessary to have the two in order to have a unifying balance....like two sides of the same coin.... think that's been mentioned before too.... Or as I used to say to my students, even the finest, thinnest almost transparent sheet of beaten gold, still has two sides...
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/24/07 02:45 AM

Hi Alexandra.. And, within each duality there is an inbetween.. Hot.. warm.. cold, Black.. grey..white, Day.. twilight..night. Blending two opposites often produces a third. Trilogy. Love and Light..
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 02/24/07 05:27 AM

Originally Posted By: Spirituality
Hi Alexandra.. And, within each duality there is an inbetween.. Hot.. warm.. cold, Black.. grey..white, Day.. twilight..night. Blending two opposites often produces a third. Trilogy. Love and Light..


Are we discussing about who created the universe- God or Goddess?
If yes, I believe that God or Goddess whatever you call has no gender.
Posted By: engee

Re: The Goddess - 02/25/07 09:06 AM

I believe the same too cdmohatta.
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/25/07 05:11 PM

Alexandra,
To say that everything must be in balance is to make the two equal. Good and evil, light and dark, are not equal.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/26/07 02:11 AM

And, so Dave.. Do you believe that male and female create an equal balance? If you believe that God is genderless than wouldn't that mean that God has an equal balance of the masculine and the feminine? And, if that is so, than why is it so difficult to address the feminine side of God as Goddess?

Love and Light..
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 02/26/07 04:43 AM

In India, you will see many idols ofShiva with half the form of femele. It is called Ardhnarishwar.

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Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/26/07 10:17 AM

Originally Posted By: texasdave7
Alexandra,
To say that everything must be in balance is to make the two equal. Good and evil, light and dark, are not equal.


Yes, they are. They are opposites, and as different as chalk and cheese, but they are equal in their presence and influence.
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/26/07 04:18 PM

They are not equal. Do you regard cruelty as equal to kindness? Kindness is superior. Love is greater than hate. Light greater than dark. Evil is inferior. The devil is less powerful than God.
Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/26/07 04:26 PM

I'm not talking about 'greater than' because that is opinion.... I'm merely pointing out that they are diametrically opposed...of course I think Good is 'greater than' evil, kindness is 'greater than' cruelty... I am merely saying that "To every action there is an equal and opposite reaction". That's nothing to do with opinion, or point of view, with 'greater than' or 'lesser than'. It's just science. That's my point....
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/26/07 04:42 PM

Love and hate are opinions.. so are good and bad. We get back to the whole principle of what is good for one individual or culture might be bad for another.

Believing in the Biblical God is a wrong belief FOR ME, whereas believing in the Goddess is a right belief FOR ME, and the opposite applies to you. Now, I do believe in the presence of a male archetype of God, just not the Biblical version. I see your Biblical God as a cruel, egotistical entity with no love or kindness whatsoever for humankind. Yet, you see him as loving. So, whose "RIGHT or WRONG" is correct?

However, Male and Female, Night and Day, Black and White are opposites which can be seen and proven. We know that Male and Female exist.. and Night and Day... Therefore we can KNOW that they are equal. There are men and women in the world.. fact. Whether we see them as right or wrong or cruel or kind or whether they believe in God or the devil are all matters of OPINION. Got it?

There are opposite OPINIONS and there are opposite FACTS. What Alexandra is talking about are FACTS.. what Dave is talking about are OPINIONS.

Love and Light..
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/26/07 09:29 PM

Equal and opposite reactions? In morality? So, if I love someone then someone else hates as an opposing but equal response? I don't think so. Sorry, that just doesn't wash with me. If everyone loved then hate would die. I'd celebrate that by hugging everyone. Wouldn't you?
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/26/07 10:12 PM

If everyone loved one another equally, then we would not have the human made barriers such as politics and religions that separate us. Too often in this world we put conditions on who and what we love. I love you,...but. Isn't that what you are doing to those of us who are not Christians Dave? We can say we love you Dave.. just as you are. But on the other hand you say.. I love you .. but I wish you would change. So, whose love is conditional and whose love is not?

Love and Light...
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/27/07 10:13 AM

Love, for Christians is not conditional. We do not say, " I love you...but" We say, " I love you, therefore, I want you to have the gift that I have been given." If you love someone, you love them long term. If a man was about to walk over a cliff and he was blind and so could not see what he was doing, would you warn him? I would. So, we Christians, out of love, warn those we love of the cliff they are blindly approaching.
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 02/27/07 12:36 PM

Unconditional love is very difficult. Ego always enters the scene.
Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/27/07 12:54 PM

There is a good thread, started by 'Spirituality' on the Ego. Try popping in....
Posted By: Lisbeth

Re: The Goddess - 02/27/07 11:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Spirituality
Where in the Bible, anywhere in the Bible does scripture present God as a female? Where in the Bible is the term God the Mother? Sophia is the closest God gets to female gender, as she is described as the wisdom of God.



Actually one of the first revelations of God to his people was as "El Shaddai'. "El Shaddai' in Hebrew means "The Breasted One." "Shad" in Hebrew can only ever be interpreted as feminine breasts, for the record.

Eloah, used in the OT, appears fifty-seven times. Eloah is always and only the feminine construct of God, and literally can only be translated as "Goddess". Two specific declarations of the femininity of Eloah, in Job, where it notes that �the sea 'leapt tumultuous from the womb'.� [Job 38:8] Then, He rhetorically asked, �Out of whose womb came the ice?� [Job 38:29] Obviously there is a Biblical Goddess, Eloah, from whose Divine Womb sprang the sea and ice.

Patriarchal constructs have done much in the name of Dogma to misogynistically strip femininity from the bible - I remain unconvinced that this was part of any Divine Plan but rather due to the corrupted will of men.

And just to throw a wrench in the whole cogs, as it were, consider the return of Jesus, as recorded in Revelation, (notes by biblical scholar Tom Harper):

Revelation 1:13, in the King James Version, says, �And I saw in the midst of the seven candlesticks one like unto the Son of Man, clothed with a garment down to the foot, and girt about the paps with a golden girdle�. �Paps� is the archaic word for a woman�s breasts. In the Greek, the word used is the plural mastos, which the lexicon defines as �the breast, esp., of the swelling breast of a woman�. Rarely, the plural was used to refer to a man�s breasts, but the prevailing sense is female. The fact that the figure in this passage from Revelation wore a �girdle�, or cincture, about the breasts�the modern equivalent would be a brassiere�confirms that the breasts in question are female. Indeed, the New English Bible translates the plural as though it were a singular��with a golden girdle round his breast�. The New Revised Standard Version tried to avoid any embarrassment by wrongly translating it as �chest�. (The Pagan Christ, p. 211)

Jesus is coming, and she's going to be wearing a Madonnaesque bra. Make of that whatever you will.

Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/28/07 02:33 AM

LOL.. I love it!! Thanks for sharing Lisbeth.. You made my day! Love and Light...
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/28/07 02:36 AM

Originally Posted By: texasdave7
Love, for Christians is not conditional. We do not say, " I love you...but" We say, " I love you, therefore, I want you to have the gift that I have been given." If you love someone, you love them long term. If a man was about to walk over a cliff and he was blind and so could not see what he was doing, would you warn him? I would. So, we Christians, out of love, warn those we love of the cliff they are blindly approaching.


Don't worry about me Dave.. I have my broom... I believe I can fly..... Love and Light...
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 02/28/07 04:30 AM

Hello Linda,

In your posts, you say love and light.
What is this light?
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/28/07 04:30 AM

Lisbeth,
I don't know what Bible you are reading but I challenge you to provide ONE scripture for any eloah in the OT.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 02/28/07 04:01 PM

Hi Cdmohatta..When I say light .. I mean enlightenment. Love and Enlightenment..lol...
Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/28/07 05:23 PM

Originally Posted By: texasdave7
Lisbeth,
I don't know what Bible you are reading but I challenge you to provide ONE scripture for any eloah in the OT.


well...there's

this reference:
Posted By: Alexandra

Re: The Goddess - 02/28/07 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Lisbeth
Patriarchal constructs have done much in the name of Dogma to misogynistically strip femininity from the bible - I remain unconvinced that this was part of any Divine Plan but rather due to the corrupted will of men.


There is much current research that bears this out. The book - "Mysogyny - The World's oldest prejudice" by Jack Holland

review and details, here


and this article is also interesting , specifically the part headed "Misogyny in philosophy and religion"
Posted By: texasdave7

Re: The Goddess - 02/28/07 09:03 PM

Lisbeth,
You need to stop worrying so much about gender issues and worry more about truth issues. Offense is a trap that harms you rather than the one it is aimed at.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/01/07 05:09 AM

Wow.. So Dave finally admits that gender is not an issue.. Therefore, he should have no problem at all with any of us addressing Divinity as Goddess. And that is the truth...LOL.

Love and Light..
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/01/07 05:14 AM

And of course, if gender is not an issue.. than Dave has no problem with women being ministers, pastors, priests and rabbi's and even President. Am I correct Dave? Are you really that liberal minded?

Love, Light, and Laughter...
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/01/07 05:24 AM

Do Christians not accept the female form of of God? Was this the crux of this thread?
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/01/07 05:46 AM

Hi Cdmohatta.. No, most Christians will tell you that they see God as genderless, but then they tell you that since he refers to himself as "Father", he must be male.

Christians do not have any belief whatsoever in the Goddess. They don't recognize her at all in fact. Most fundamentalist Christians will not even accept a woman as a minister, let alone anything else.

Christianity is a patriarchal religion and always has been.

Love and Light..
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/01/07 08:11 AM

The greatest Siddha of India who is considered as God by all the hindus is Gurumai, a woman.

If Christianity does not belive that God is also female, then they need to rethink about the basics.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/02/07 03:45 AM

Hi Cdmohatta.. I totally agree. The Bible has done more harm to womankind than any other thing in the western world. Some sects of Christians honestly believe that women should be subserviant to men, and that women also are spiritually inferior, and thus not capable of becoming spiritual leaders. And, they enforce this belief with Biblical scripture.

My belief is probably very similar to yours in that I see the Shakti/Shiva connection when it comes to divinity. Both are equally important parts of the whole. That is why I refuse to acknowlege the Biblical God. I will not refer to divinty as a "Father figure." Whenever I do a service at the U.U. Church, I always begin with "Great God and Benevolent Goddess" However, when I say God I am not referring in any way to the Biblical God, but rather to the male aspect of divinity... the Shiva to the Shakti.

Love and Light...
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/02/07 04:51 AM

According to Hinduism Shiva is immobolized without Shakti.
Posted By: Lisbeth

Re: The Goddess - 03/03/07 09:56 PM

Originally Posted By: texasdave7
Lisbeth,
You need to stop worrying so much about gender issues and worry more about truth issues. Offense is a trap that harms you rather than the one it is aimed at.


The gender issue is indeed a truth issue. The issue with dogma and religion in general is the selctive picking and choosing of passages in order to substantiate a particular belief - in this case that the genderless God is genderless, but more male in that genderlessness than female. Hogwash.

When the truth is obscured by gender inequality, or because of it, then it is no longer truth but prejudice. And if it is no longer truth, than certainly there will always be those of us that will stand for its correction, regardless of popular consent.

Privileged to account myself in that number, btw. And equally happy to be corrected where correction is due. If I am wrong in whatever I have said regarding She-Who-Is-God, then simply show me the error of my argument.

Telling me what I should or should not worry about is rather off the mark, in any event.

Lis



Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/04/07 05:41 AM

When we say that God can not have a female form we disrespect halfthe population on the earth.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/04/07 01:20 PM

Hugs for Cdmohatta!!

Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/04/07 02:04 PM

thanks for the hugs.
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/04/07 02:27 PM

Some of you may call this imagination/lie or whatever. Most of you, rather all of you will not believe it.

Once I was very troubled.
I talked to God and complained that I was under so much trouble and where was he?
He told me- my dear follower, I had sent your mother to you at that time. didn't I?
I still fought with him telling that he should have come, but I got the meaning.
How can i deny that God is also in females?
Posted By: engee

Re: The Goddess - 03/04/07 02:29 PM

very well said!
:-)
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/05/07 04:27 AM

Dave,

LOL.. Yes apparently the gender thing is a huge stumbling block for YOU!
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/05/07 04:47 AM

Originally Posted By: texasdave7
God does not have a female form. He speaks through females though. Do not be so hung up on the gender thing. It is a stumbling block for some.


I know that God is gender free. take male or female, he/she is present in everything. It is becoming a stumbling block for you in understanding the greater glory of God.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/05/07 05:47 AM

Originally Posted By: texasdave7
God does not have a female form. He speaks through females though. Do not be so hung up on the gender thing. It is a stumbling block for some.


Hey Dave, This is God speaking to you through Linda.. I AM whatever anyone imagines me to be. I don't have a problem with that, but apparently humankind does.

Love and Light..
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/05/07 11:35 AM


Hey Dave, This is God speaking to you through Linda..

lol
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/07/07 10:36 AM

Can not God speak through others? For example- you?
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/07/07 03:51 PM

Dave, Just because you IMAGINE the God of the Bible to be the one and only partriarchal based Creator it does not make it so. We all come from the same source, whatever that source may be, and we will all return there. In the meantime, we are all a part of that source, and so, it speaks through us all the time. How could it be any other way?

Love and Light..
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/10/07 07:39 AM

Originally Posted By: Spirituality
Dave, Just because you IMAGINE the God of the Bible to be the one and only partriarchal based Creator it does not make it so. We all come from the same source, whatever that source may be, and we will all return there. In the meantime, we are all a part of that source, and so, it speaks through us all the time. How could it be any other way?

Love and Light..


ABSOLUTELY CORRECT.
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/10/07 07:40 AM

Originally Posted By: texasdave7
What source would that be?


In my knowledge that source is called The God.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/10/07 12:20 PM

Originally Posted By: texasdave7
What source would that be?


Whatever it is.
Posted By: pondlady

Re: The Goddess - 03/10/07 08:41 PM

You can ignore the hateful, idiotic blather of TexasDave by clicking on his name. You will land at his profile. Click on 'ignore this user' and his posts will be hidden.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/11/07 01:36 AM

Siggghhhh.. Here we go again Dave... You have no proof other than a book that the Biblical God exists. And, that book was written by human beings just like you and me. He is YOUR fact and not mine. If you want me to believe it is very simple.. produce God, have him stand in front of me and I will believe he exists.. until then all you have is opinion not fact.

Dave is Dave Jan.. and he has something to say.. even thought I might disagree with his opinions. He is harming noone and perhaps if he hangs around in here long enough some of what we are saying will rub off on him.

Look at it this way.. why would a Christian stay in a forum where most of the views are totally against his own unless he is listening and learning..lol.. He knows he can't convert us and yet he keeps posting... I think we might be making some progress here.

Love and Light.. Linda
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/11/07 05:28 AM

Originally Posted By: Spirituality
Siggghhhh.. Here we go again Dave... You have no proof other than a book that the Biblical God exists. And, that book was written by human beings just like you and me. He is YOUR fact and not mine. If you want me to believe it is very simple.. produce God, have him stand in front of me and I will believe he exists.. until then all you have is opinion not fact.

Dave is Dave Jan.. and he has something to say.. even thought I might disagree with his opinions. He is harming noone and perhaps if he hangs around in here long enough some of what we are saying will rub off on him.

Look at it this way.. why would a Christian stay in a forum where most of the views are totally against his own unless he is listening and learning..lol.. He knows he can't convert us and yet he keeps posting... I think we might be making some progress here.

Love and Light.. Linda


Rather he has succeeded in pulling everyone to answer his posts. He is the success and we all are failures. We should stop answering all of his posts.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/11/07 05:49 AM

Hi Cdmohatta.. If a small child was arguing with you and his argument did not make sense because he had not learned any better, would you ignore his reasoning? I would think that perhaps you would try and bring your answer to his questions down to his level.

Children learn because we, as parents, have the wisdom and patience to teach them. And, we try to do so with humor and understanding.

I see Dave like that. If you look at his posts, he is a stubborn child saying "But, I want".. and not listening to the reason why he cannot have a cookie before lunch..lol.

He is a spiritual toddler. And, he is intent of making those of us who have worked hard to grow up on a spiritual level listen to his demands.

I do agree that we should try and stay on topic as much as we can, but I also feel that if Dave is ever going to grow up, he has to listen and learn. He may not appear to be absorbing any of what we say. But, why would a devout Christian such as Dave keep showing up in this type of forum if he was not seeking spiritual knowledge?

What would Jesus, Gandhi, Mohummed, Confucious, Krishna, Shekinah or Sophia do? I do not think they would ignore Dave or boot him out of the forum. I think they would listen, attempt to teach him, and listen for the wisdom that he, in his childlike way, is attempting to express.

Love and Light..
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/11/07 07:34 AM

Originally Posted By: Spirituality
Hi Cdmohatta.. If a small child was arguing with you and his argument did not make sense because he had not learned any better, would you ignore his reasoning? I would think that perhaps you would try and bring your answer to his questions down to his level.

Children learn because we, as parents, have the wisdom and patience to teach them. And, we try to do so with humor and understanding.

I see Dave like that. If you look at his posts, he is a stubborn child saying "But, I want".. and not listening to the reason why he cannot have a cookie before lunch..lol.

He is a spiritual toddler. And, he is intent of making those of us who have worked hard to grow up on a spiritual level listen to his demands.

I do agree that we should try and stay on topic as much as we can, but I also feel that if Dave is ever going to grow up, he has to listen and learn. He may not appear to be absorbing any of what we say. But, why would a devout Christian such as Dave keep showing up in this type of forum if he was not seeking spiritual knowledge?

What would Jesus, Gandhi, Mohummed, Confucious, Krishna, Shekinah or Sophia do? I do not think they would ignore Dave or boot him out of the forum. I think they would listen, attempt to teach him, and listen for the wisdom that he, in his childlike way, is attempting to express.

Love and Light..


Think about all the little children who created havoc, including world wars.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/11/07 02:00 PM

Originally Posted By: cdmohatta

Think about all the little children who created havoc, including world wars.


If children create havoc is it their fault or their parent's fault?

What is Dave actually doing wrong in this forum? He is expressing himself without yelling, as respectfully as he knows how, and in the spirit of love. If I were to ignore him or boot him out what does that say about ME? Wouldn't I be doing the same thing that he is being accused of? Does ignoring him make him go away? No, Dave stays... if anyone wants to ignore him go right ahead.. but I will not do that to anyone.

Love and Light and hugs for Dave and everyone else...
Posted By: Lady J

Re: The Goddess - 03/11/07 11:56 PM

Many christians I know and from what I have studied, deny the female side of faith/deity.

Woman came from man. She is under him. Look at the place of womanhood in life.

I personally see the female and male in G-d. He and She are intermingled and ever-present. You cannot have male without female. If we are created in G-d's image, wouldn't that mean that both would have to be present.

In Jewish thought, there used to be a denial of the femanine in G-d. But just as times change, so does interpretation. Last semester I studied some great feminist theology in both Judaism and Christianity in addition to Buddhism.
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/12/07 12:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Jase
Many christians I know and from what I have studied, deny the female side of faith/deity.

Woman came from man. She is under him. Look at the place of womanhood in life.

I personally see the female and male in G-d. He and She are intermingled and ever-present. You cannot have male without female. If we are created in G-d's image, wouldn't that mean that both would have to be present.

In Jewish thought, there used to be a denial of the femanine in G-d. But just as times change, so does interpretation. Last semester I studied some great feminist theology in both Judaism and Christianity in addition to Buddhism.


You are right. There will be no sons without a mother. You can not deny a mother. That is foolish in my opinion.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/12/07 02:21 PM

Thank you Dave for clarifying that Goddess worship is just as valid as God worship. Both are within the one.

Love and Light...
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/13/07 02:37 PM

Dave.. How would you know if he approves or not? I don't recall anywhere in the Bible that he says you HAVE to call him God.
Posted By: Lady J

Re: The Goddess - 03/14/07 09:23 AM

the many names of G-d throughout the bible are both male and female in context (arabic and hebrew)

The passage you are talking about is Shema Yisrael. Adonai Alohenu, Adonai Echad! ;0)
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/14/07 03:26 PM

You can call God whatever you want Dave... You are the one who believes in him after all.. so you can call him Grasshopper if it makes you happy. I prefer to address MY concept of the divine as benevolent Goddess.

I KNOW that what we are talking about is the SAME thing... YOU are the one who insists on getting wrapped up in dogma.

Love and Light..
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/15/07 01:18 AM

Hiya Dave.. Call him God then.. not a problem for me..:)
Posted By: Connidee

Re: The Goddess - 03/19/07 11:46 PM

I'm new here. I've been skimming down through this thread and it really hits home with me. Dave, I can't help it, but I have to say this....I'm sorry for you. Not for your beliefs; I'm sure they are as sustainable, comforting and full of beauty to you as ours are to us. There are many names for God....many names. Native American culture refers to that Deity as 'Creator' or 'The Great Mystery', which to me is the most honest of references. Grandfather Joseph Flying Bye said "God is a man; God is a woman" in his teachings and that, to me sums it up. However, debating this great and wondrous mystery must never turn into hatefulness or disrespect toward another. Sounds like most of you know that already. I'm so pleased to have found this forum. I have so much I want to say. It's been a pleasure reading you.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 03/27/07 03:31 AM

Greetings Connidee..

My sentiments exactly. I have been out of town for awhile, but I am back.. and happy to be here. When it comes right down to it, whatever we choose to call the mystery of creation is all the same thing. In my opinion it is to vast and incomprehensible for our human minds to grasp.. or on the other hand, perhaps so simple that we miss the point by making it too complex.

Love and Light...
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 03/27/07 03:34 AM

Yes.
Posted By: Connidee

Re: The Goddess - 03/27/07 10:57 PM

Yes...well said. We, as humans, rarely allow ourselves to appreciate simplicity. I think that ability GOES away as we GROW away. By that I mean......young children, even tiny babies know things we don't know. They're still close to Universe and Creator and can remember. We learn to forget as we get older because remembering it makes us 'different'. I'm beginning to remember, again. It's an arduous task, it is. I constantly have to remind myself to believe the things I see and feel and not rationalize them away. I have a new grand-baby.....she's my butterfly baby. In fact her Native name is Camama Usti.....Cherokee for Little Butterfly. This Little Butterfly will teach me to see the world through a child's eyes, again, and this time I'll keep the magic.
Posted By: texasdave

Re: The Goddess - 04/06/07 12:51 AM

There is one God and it is important to know what HIS will is, what HE wants to be called, and how HE wants to be worshipped. Mankind did not create the universe so man doesn't get to decide these things.
Posted By: anndidetal

Re: The Goddess - 04/06/07 02:30 AM

Dave, I think the proof of a spiritual person rests in their ability and willingness to respect the beliefs of others.

You do not appear to do that.

Ann.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 04/06/07 04:22 PM

No one is suggesting that you change your beliefs Dave. What works for you is fine. But, no matter how much you go on and on about what you believe that does not change the fact that there are those among us who don't believe what you do, nor will they ever believe what you do. You can't change that fact.

So say what you will.. believe what you will.. that is not my truth nor will it ever be. My preference of belief is a kind, benevolent and loving Goddess.

So mote it be!!
Posted By: TheEgyptianDragon

Re: The Goddess - 04/07/07 04:33 AM

Dave if YOU are so devoted to YOUR God that YOU call HE with so much pride, and YOU say to honor HIM and worship HIM, how come you do not seem to respect HIS will.


HE gave men the right of free will. How dare you go against HIS bidding trying to disrupt every man's right to free will?

HE said to love HIM above all things and love thy neighbor as if it were yourself. This means that you should love thy neighbor even if they do not share beleifs than you do. You do not have to like your neighbors. You can despise them for all HE cares. But still HE DEMANDS you to love your neighbor NO MATTER WHAT as if it was yourself. Perhaps it is because you have no love for yourself that you lack the capacity to love thy neighbor.

YOUR GOD despises sin, but yet still HE L-O-V-E-S the sinner. How can you not do this for HIM? Yet you choose to disrespect HIM by condemning HIS children. It doesn't matter if they are sinners. HE still created them according to YOUR Bible. Therefore HE is the ONLY one that has the right to CONDEMN. Condemning others is an act of YOUR GOD not your bidding and HE is a very jealous GOD and despises those that like to think they are better than HIM and can do HIS job better than HIM.

So, my suggestion to you is, if you respect YOUR GOD as much as you say YOU do, you should leave the needle that lies on someone else's eye alone. For it is HIS job to take care of it. Not yours. And if you're FREE of sins, go ahead and throw out the first stone.

Let the sinners be sinners and you worry about your own salvation. Most of us in other denominations have nothing to worry about for we do not believe in Satan. Naming evil gives it power over you and I do not blame my sins upon other negative entities for if I was to blame everything I do on Satan, like most people of your religious faith I would be worshipping him, not God.

I know many people that worship the same GOD that you do and live their faith with love, compassion and respect for others no matter their faith. That is what a real Christian is. That is what YOUR Jesus wanted. And condemning other people's free will is shameful and embarassing for many other Christians that live the 10 commandments honestly because they feel it in their heart.

Leave hipocresy for purgatory for I'll be chilling in the Summerland with all my Pagan Homies. May YOUR God forgive you and I still send wisdom, understanding, love and compassion your way, for YOUR God knows you need it...
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 04/07/07 09:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Spirituality
No one is suggesting that you change your beliefs Dave. What works for you is fine. But, no matter how much you go on and on about what you believe that does not change the fact that there are those among us who don't believe what you do, nor will they ever believe what you do. You can't change that fact.

So say what you will.. believe what you will.. that is not my truth nor will it ever be. My preference of belief is a kind, benevolent and loving Goddess.

So mote it be!!


Your preference is very good.

According to Hinduism in the state of total peace, god is seen as having no sex at all. Everything is God. Man , woman, animals, plants, stars , the whole universe.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 04/07/07 12:30 PM

Namaste CDM.. that is my belief also.

Love and Light...
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 04/07/07 12:38 PM

That is great. So we agree here. Then we can talk more. Because when I saw your website, I understood that you have learnt many things and spent years. You know a lot about manythings. I was very impressed.
Posted By: Connidee

Re: The Goddess - 04/07/07 02:41 PM

God, or Creator, or Goddess.....(you get my drift) IS all things. We are all connected. Even Dave is connected (sorry, Dave, but it's true) to us, to Grandmother Earth, to the Star Nations...to every living creature on this planet. Our Spirituality is connected through its diversity. That's a wondrous thing! cdmohatta and Linda Paul, you both have much to share and teach others. Dave, open your heart and listen. The contemporary concept of Christianity, in my opinion has been bastardized from the true intentions of Christianity. It wasn't until 325 that Constantine and his counsel decided to 'revise' the Biblical writings and he did it in such a way to insight fear in the people and justify his greed for power. Ever hear of the Dead Sea Scrolls or the Nag Hamadi Library, Dave? There are loads of Truths written in those libraries that was very detrimental to the Church Constantine was determined to create. Somehow those writings just disappeared. Hmmm, I wonder who had a hand in that? He's the one who created the notion of a male god; he's the one who created the notion that woman is far less important than her male counterpart. The Roman Catholic church was built on lies, greed and power hungry men, and from that Christianity, as we know it today was developed. This is all, of course just my opinion, except for the Dave opening his heart part. I know many, many Christians who are gentle, kind-spirited people. I'm not Christian bashing....I'm bashing intolerance and narrow-mindedness.
Posted By: anndidetal

Re: The Goddess - 04/08/07 03:55 AM

Linda, could you give the link to your website? I'd like to read it too.

Ann.
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 04/08/07 06:18 AM

Originally Posted By: Spirituality
Namaste CDM.. that is my belief also.

Love and Light...


Namaste Linda, did you see my candle?
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 04/09/07 01:42 AM

Hi Ann.. Actually it is just a homepage. The link isBellaOnline ALERT: Raw URLs are not allowed in these forums for security reasons. Please use UBB code. If you don't know how to do UBB code just post here for help - we will help out!
Posted By: anndidetal

Re: The Goddess - 04/09/07 03:47 AM

Linda, I clicked on the link you gave and it just came up a blank page!

Ann.
Posted By: Lady J

Re: The Goddess - 04/09/07 03:49 AM

take out the period, and it will work fine ;0)

BellaOnline ALERT: Raw URLs are not allowed in these forums for security reasons. Please use UBB code. If you don't know how to do UBB code just post here for help - we will help out!
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 04/09/07 04:02 AM

Yes, it works fine. Thanks Jase.
Posted By: anndidetal

Re: The Goddess - 04/09/07 04:13 AM

Thanks for the help! I got it this time.

Linda, it is WONDERFUL!

Ann.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 04/09/07 05:50 PM

Thanks guys..lol.. Yes CDM .. your candle is beautiful!! My hope is that some day we can light up this whole world of ours in the spirit of hope and compassion. The only way I can see that happening is:

1. We can all come to the understanding that we are ALL created equal, regardless of our religion.
2. We can see the duality that exists in all things and accept the feminine as a balance for the masculine.
3. We can learn to settle our differences through words and not weapons.
4. We choose our leaders not based on their ivy league educations, but based on their compassion, their life experience, and their understanding the needs of the "common" people rather than the rich and famous.
5. We stop living our lives through the media. Put the T.V. sets out on the curb and start living life as who you are and not how the media tells you that you should be.
6. Start to build homes and buildings that are environmentally friendly, using solar power and striving to work with the Earth and not against it.
7. Build a world that our children and our grandchildren can be proud of. Teach them that they have a responsibility to the Earth and all of the creatures that dwell upon it. Teach them to break through the walls called religion, politics, race, color, creed, and to honor each other as equals. And, above all, teach them that they have the ability to make these changes..

In love and in light...


Posted By: Lady J

Re: The Goddess - 04/09/07 07:31 PM

5. I agree with. We shouldn't live through the media, but I like my TV ;0) There are some awesome programs out there... and a smart person shouldn't rely on one "news" source for their news. Use the BBC, you will see a lot of things the US Media doesn't even cover and get the "real" feel of the world ;0)

But I totally agree on all the others!
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 04/10/07 03:52 AM

Originally Posted By: Spirituality
Thanks guys..lol.. Yes CDM .. your candle is beautiful!! My hope is that some day we can light up this whole world of ours in the spirit of hope and compassion. The only way I can see that happening is:

1. We can all come to the understanding that we are ALL created equal, regardless of our religion.
2. We can see the duality that exists in all things and accept the feminine as a balance for the masculine.
3. We can learn to settle our differences through words and not weapons.
4. We choose our leaders not based on their ivy league educations, but based on their compassion, their life experience, and their understanding the needs of the "common" people rather than the rich and famous.
5. We stop living our lives through the media. Put the T.V. sets out on the curb and start living life as who you are and not how the media tells you that you should be.
6. Start to build homes and buildings that are environmentally friendly, using solar power and striving to work with the Earth and not against it.
7. Build a world that our children and our grandchildren can be proud of. Teach them that they have a responsibility to the Earth and all of the creatures that dwell upon it. Teach them to break through the walls called religion, politics, race, color, creed, and to honor each other as equals. And, above all, teach them that they have the ability to make these changes..

In love and in light...




This is a lovely dream. Absolutely lovely. I will get this printed and put this near me.
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 04/10/07 03:54 AM

Originally Posted By: Jase
5. I agree with. We shouldn't live through the media, but I like my TV ;0) There are some awesome programs out there... and a smart person shouldn't rely on one "news" source for their news. Use the BBC, you will see a lot of things the US Media doesn't even cover and get the "real" feel of the world ;0)

But I totally agree on all the others!


Do you think that we sholuld know what the media says but remain unaffected in our judgements?
Posted By: Lady J

Re: The Goddess - 04/10/07 07:06 AM

I think the media should be a tool in helping make our judgements. I don't think it should be the ONLY thing as some people make it out to be. It's called the Fox News Generation ;0) I am from the CNN and News Print Generation ;0)
Posted By: Modern Woman

Re: The Goddess - 04/10/07 10:10 AM

You are making lot of sense.
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 04/24/07 04:34 AM

I always feel closest to the Goddess at this time of the year. I celebrate Beltane, and this year I am doing two Handfastings (Pagan weddings).

I think this time of the year relates the best to my own unique style of Paganism. As I watch the Sun becoming more powerful everyday, I can relate to the stories of the Sun God in the Heavens, sending warmth and light deep into the sleeping Earth. As she awakens, she rises once again to her green and leafy splendor. I love the Springtime.

Beltane for me is a celebration of new life, new hopes, new goals, and new beginnings. The God and the Goddess are both at full power and the power of the solstice is recharging the Earth with energy.

Love and Light..
Posted By: Thia

Re: The Goddess - 05/22/07 03:50 AM

I love this quote:

" I would not interfere with any creed of yours or want to appear that I have all the cures. There is so much to know...so many things are true. The way my feet must go may not be best for you. And so I give this spark of what is light to me, to guide you through the dark, but not tell you what to see."
~Author unknown~
Posted By: Thia

Re: The Goddess - 05/22/07 03:56 AM

Also concerning the Goddess in the bible. Here's an article I found.

There is an actual reference in the Bible to the Goddess. But
one must understand that the original text is different then the
English Bible which is completely bias toward the male gender
due to politics and agendas. Translations really do differ, and
God did not dictate the Bible in English.
In fact you may be surprised at just how makeshift some of the counsels that governed the creation of the canon of scripture called our
modern Bible really were.

Does not nature speak of the
Creator and is not nature both male and female? The Genesis
text is the combination of two separate accounts. In the first,
man and woman were created together at the climax of
creation. In the second, God make Adam first, and to relieve
his solitude creates the rest of the creatures, including the first
woman, Eve. Beginning in Genesis the original Hebrew
writings described the oneness and equality of man an woman.
The first creature called ha'-adam was not strictly male at all.
Ha'-adam is a generic term for humankind and is used at the
beginning of Genesis 2. Only when God takes a rib from
ha'-adam are the sexes differentiated, and the change is
symbolized by new terminology. The creature from whom the
rib is taken is now referred to not as ha'-adam but as 'ish
("man"), and the creature fashioned from the rib is called
'ishshah ("woman")The very act of creating woman creates
man. This is a love story; the rib is a symbol of intimacy.
"Bone of my bones, flesh of my flesh." This early concept was
that of a soul mate; and is referredto by Plato, who spoke of
man and woman as like a split creature always seeking to
rejoin the halves. Gen 1:1 In the beginning God ('elohiym)
created the heaven and the earth. Gen 1:26 And God
('elohiym) said, Let us make man in our image, after our
likeness: See also Genesis 3:22 and 11:17 where God is spoken
of as us." 'elohiym is used of God as a plurality: The Bible
reflects that the first creation, as well as continuing creation, is
done in tandem by Eloh (God) and Eloah (Goddess)(also
referred to as Hokhma and Ruach).Together, Eloh and Eloah
make up the Elohim. See Genesis 1:1-3, 1:26-27;Proverbs
3:19-20, 8:22-31; Job 38:4-40:30; Ecclesiasticus 1:1-10,
24:1-6;Wisdom of Solomon 7:22, 8:1-7, 8:21-9:4,
9:9-11.'elohiym 430. 'elohiym, el-o-heem'; plur. of H433; gods
in the ordinary sense;but spec. used (in the plur. thus, esp.
with the art.) of the supreme God;X exceeding, God (gods)
(dess, -ly), X (very) great.Deu 6:4 Hear, O Israel: The LORD
(Yehovah) our God ('elohiym) is one (echad)Echad speaks of
God as being one as husband and wife are one: Gen 2:24
LORD (Yehovah Deu 6:5 And thou shalt love the LORD
(Yehovah)God ('elohiym) with all thine heart, and with all thy
soul, and with all thy might. The Monotheism here is
combined with a compound unity of God being one.In other
words God is one, but not literally in number but in Substance.
The Hebrew word here is the word ('Echad') which means
compound unity and an absolute. The Scriptures have this
Hebrew word one which is (Echad) used in other Scriptures
which proves the unity of this word. For instance, in Genesis
1:5,the combination of evening and morning comprise one
(echad) day. In Genesis 2:24, a man and a woman come
together in marriage and the two "shall become one (echad)
flesh. Her personality is proved (1) from the fact that the
attributes of personality, as intelligence and volition, are
ascribed to her (John 14:17, 26; 15:26; 1 Cor. 2:10, 11; 12:11).
She reproves, helps, glorifies, intercedes (John 16:7-13; Rom.
8:26). (2) She executes the offices peculiar only to a person.
The very nature of these offices involves personal distinction
(Luke 12:12; Acts 5:32; 15:28; 16:6; 28:25; 1 Cor. 2:13; Heb.
2:4; 3:7;2 Pet. 1:21).Her divinity is established (1) from the
fact that the names of God are ascribed to Her(Ex. 17:7; Ps.
95:7; comp. Heb. 3:7-11); and (2) that divine attributes are
also ascribed to Her, omnipresence(Ps. 139:7; Eph. 2:17, 18; 1
Cor. 12:13); omniscience (1 Cor. 2:10, 11); omnipotence (Luke
1:35; Rom. 8:11);eternity (Heb. 9:4). (3) Creation is ascribed
to Her (Gen. 1:2; Job 26:13; Ps. 104:30),and the working of
miracles (Matt. 12:28; 1 Cor. 12:9-11). (4) Worship is required
and ascribed to Her (Isa. 6:3; Acts 28:25; Rom. 9:1; Rev. 1:4;
Matt. 28:19).

Enjoy your study! Also texasdave google the Hebrew names of God and their meanings. Study to show thyself approved!
Posted By: Thia

Re: The Goddess - 05/22/07 04:04 AM

Better yet here's a link for you all.

The Hebrew Names Of God

The Shekinah is the Hebrew Goddess and the Glory of God. She is also known as Sophia the wisdom of God. If Christ sits at the right hand of God then who sits at his left? The Queen of course.
Posted By: freespirit

Re: The Goddess - 05/22/07 04:18 AM

Hi Thia You have done your homework!!!!

Texas Dave has been baned!!! it was a sad (read happy) Day but...Life goes on!!!

Thanks for the site!!!
Posted By: Linda, Tarot Editor

Re: The Goddess - 05/22/07 05:39 AM

Sophia, Shekinah, Shakti.. all examples of the force of life that is the Goddess.. Thanks for joining in Thia.

Blessed Be!
Posted By: Thia

Re: The Goddess - 05/22/07 10:26 AM

Originally Posted By: freebubbles3
Hi Thia You have done your homework!!!!

Texas Dave has been baned!!! it was a sad (read happy) Day but...Life goes on!!!

Thanks for the site!!!



Oh good, well at least my post isnt in vain. Others can read the information too. It's good study material.
Posted By: freespirit

Re: The Goddess - 05/23/07 05:22 AM

I was told eariler that texas dave is Jcfreak who is jesusfreak so... maybe they baned them all with the future incarnates there in!!! lol
but I do agree it is great stuff to study and think on!!!
Posted By: das

Re: The Goddess - 05/23/07 01:10 PM

Originally Posted By: Spirituality
Sophia, Shekinah, Shakti.. all examples of the force of life that is the Goddess.. Thanks for joining in Thia.

Blessed Be!


Shakti is the name we use in India.
Posted By: das

Re: The Goddess - 05/23/07 01:11 PM

Will he reappear?
Posted By: Lady J

Re: The Goddess - 05/23/07 06:11 PM

it seems he may have been stopped. Another editor said or eluded to the fact that it might be TD. Our resources manager (person in charge of the forums) has been watching him and was waiting for him to admit it or step over the line.
Posted By: kristen houghton

Re: The Goddess - 08/09/07 11:48 PM

Jesus was talking about the spiritual and the temporal. He was talking about serving God in the Jewish faith and not serving the Roamn Emperor.

BTW you do know that Jesus is a nice Jewish boy don't you?
Posted By: Lady J

Re: The Goddess - 08/10/07 03:50 AM

of course jesus was a jew ;0)

And no.. we didn't kill him!
Posted By: kristen houghton

Re: The Goddess - 08/10/07 11:15 PM

Nope, the Roman Empire did that!

Posted By: butterflyhealer

Re: The Goddess - 08/23/07 08:10 AM

Totally agree with you and that everyone is actually starting to realise the value of the Goddess power. Men have it too - believe it or not and they can tap in to their feminine side whenever they truly connect. I do think we are going through a transition where we find balance within and learn to balance with our counterparts and opposite sex.

The ability to be spiritual is within every being. Male dominant belief systems are finding it increasingly difficult to have their voice truly heard on all levels - many are simply blocking them out and listening to the kindness of the female spirit.

Love and Light,

Posted By: kristen houghton

Re: The Goddess - 08/25/07 12:13 AM

I have a personal need to believe in the Goddess along with the God. There is so much more than traditional religions want their members to know.

The Goddess is in no way weaker. Her power is immense.
Posted By: devagirl

Re: The Goddess - 01/26/08 10:54 PM

Great article about the re-emergence of the Goddess and how it is affecting us as women.

Over 2,000 years ago, our planet experienced a "pole shift" not a magnetic pole shift, but one which had as powerful an influence on all of life on the planet: a shift in polarity from the Yin based Goddess traditions which had ruled for almost 35,000 years, to a new Yang oriented, patriarchal ascension.

Long before our current forms of Judeo-Christian, and Islamic religions prevailed, a more ancient belief swept the globe, known today as the Goddess tradition. In their original forms, even the Patriarchal religions of today had a deep and inextricable connection with the Goddess. In the first Sura of the Islamic Koran, the Fatiha, is a verse recited by millions of Muslims in their daily devotions, God is called Al Rahmin, the merciful and compassionate one. "Rahmin" is derived from the Arabic for "womb" or "matrix", reminding Muslims of the Feminine attributes of God. Amaterasu in Japan; Qwan Yin in China; Tara in Tibet; Shakti in India; The Shekhinah of the Kabbalah, Isis in Egypt, the Virgin Mary, Mary Magdalene, the Black Madonna of Christianity; Gaia in Greece and Rome, Spider Woman the Weaver in North America, all are the many and varied names representing aspects of the Sacred Feminine Goddess.

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Posted By: devagirl

Re: The Goddess - 01/26/08 10:56 PM

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Posted By: honey415

Re: The Goddess - 04/10/08 04:27 PM

first i want to say i know this is an old thread but i just stumbled upon it today & found it very interesting.

i was raised cathloic or christain which ever you want to call it. i made all my sacrements and used to be as closed minded as dave is. i used to believe that the christian god was the only god. recently, because of a very open minded and spiritual friend of mine i was been learning more about the goddess & wiccan beliefs. i know see both sides to it. i still believe my christain up bringing yet, i also believe a lot of the wiccan sides now to.

near the beginning of the thread meshewolf said that she was christan/wiccan, i feel that that is what i am too. i still hold all my christain beliefs true and very near to my heart, yet as i learn my about wicca, those beilefs are also becoming near to my heart.

too bad i missed teaxs dave, maybe my post could have opened his eyes. i now believe that if you open your mind to other posibliites that you will be a better person.
Posted By: freespirit

Re: The Goddess - 04/16/08 05:33 AM

I could not have said it better myself!

i now believe that if you open your mind to other posibliites that you will be a better person.
Posted By: tiamat4

Re: The Goddess - 04/16/08 06:09 PM

I was also raised Catholic, and came to discover my own way. I've been a practicing Pagan for the last 12 yrs and I still view the divine as a sexless body, expressed as a combination of both masculine and feminine. I recognize both gods and goddesses. The human body I think can be viewed as a microcosm of the divine. Regardless of our sex, we have the capability of expressing both male and female perspectives because of the array of hormones that we've been gifted. When those hormones are out of whack, it can cause people to exhibit androgynous characteristics. Perhaps this is what they mean when they say that man (humanity) is carved in God's image.

An interesting note about the bible, is that many of the stories included in the bible have been based on legends and myths of the Sumero-Babylonian or Sumero-Akkadian civilizations. The Babylonian creation epic, called Enuma Elish, explains the creation of the Babylonian world with a war between the gods, in which a young male god(typified as a saviour) slaughters the old mother goddess (who was typified as a monstrous leviathan). It is clear that the victors of war write and promulgate histories. I suspect that the Enuma Elish highlights war between both patriarchal and matriarchal tribes/civilizations, and that this was expressed through the mythos.

Yet the bible is no different when it refers to 'other gods' as false entities that can not match the power of Yhwh. This may be yet another example of the victors in a sense, rewriting history, with a sense of that lovely 'convert or die' ambience.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 04/20/08 04:47 PM

Your personal growth sounds like it is very exciting and life giving!!! I was once a Lutheran minister. Not that that matters a hill of beans but I wish to share a similarity with your experience. Years ago, to me, God was very male and decidedly superior to everything else. After a certain amount of time I realized however that even with my vast knowledge I was spiritually starving. I then had to realize who I really was and where I came from. My Grandparents were mystical people who lived in the country and were healers. When doctors would give up on a person because of a supposed serious medical condition my grandmother would get a telephone call. They would come and get healed unless they had already given up in their mind and lost hope. I watched terminally ill people recover over time as just being around their energy was healing in itself.. When my grandparents died I had no one to commune with that had their experiences and magik. I really suffered spiritually in a deep way until I took a position as a Christian minister. I thought that was the answer to my suffering. I had studied and preached about God only. In my struggles I eventually remembered that my Grandmother knew the Great Mother. When I finally called out to her I found something that I had not known for years; nurturing. It appears to me that our whole culture lacks the nurturing and love of a real Mother. We might live in times of fear and insecurity but we are just as entitled to comfort and security as anyone else so this is the way that I chose. Long ago I resigned from the church but continued my learning from the Great Mother and also finding out who God really is. I did not have to leave the church except now I can spend my time teaching about things that mean infinitely more to me and hopefully to others.The very things that the church once condemned give me incredible life now and I realize that this is my true calling!! Blessed Be
Posted By: tiamat4

Re: The Goddess - 04/21/08 04:30 PM

Flaxman,
Thanks for sharing. That was a really great story. I think no matter what I'll always be searching for where I come from. As far as my own family, there appears to be nobody in it who had ever connected with any force like the Great Mother, but from time to time, I do get a sense that there's something important to be gained from my love for the sea, which seems to be a strong current running through my father's ancestry (many of which were naval men or pirates). And lately I have felt a calling towards some of the deities linked to the cultures of my mother's ancestry, ergo the slavs.

Although one unique element that appears to be present in Catholicism, and that it probably acts as a primer to the acceptance of Goddess worship is based on the way in which Mary is revered. I think that may enable a better-than-average synthesis of goddess worship and Christianity (at least from an esoteric standpoint).
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 04/22/08 12:15 AM

I think that the sea, or even lakes and rivers are very attactive to humans because of the vast abundance, freedom, and power the water represents. I have been told that our bodies are made up mostly of water-thusly the attraction. In my culture we see the spirits in the water. There are those deep and those more on the surface. Usually when one speaks of the spirits in the water most will not believe. The concept seems too totally outlandish except for those who can truly see them, not unlike the little people in Ireland or Norway etc. I did not have too much to drink nor did I reef on some good Maui Wowie when I saw them!! We believed and then we saw. It is like the trees. The next time you are in the woods and come accross a very large tree walk up to it and put your hands on it. Keep them there for a time and you will soon feel the energy from it in the form of tingling in your hands. The tree is just as alive as you and able to communicate and so are the spirits in the water. Because we are humans we are taught to only honor certain traditions and certain things and ignore all others. The tree can communicate to us how to make it to such an age if we will listen. The birds and animals can guide us also if we will listen. I grew up speaking English and German. I realized as I grew spiritually how very limited I was when it comes to nature and real humanity. We might talk only ______language but the cosmos and nature may speak life. Do we listen? The truth may not be found in our vast array of words but many times what the intent is between them. We must ask ourselves; Why is nature really here? Are many people in question about who they are or why they are here? I think that nature can speak to us and answer, at least in part, our questions. If this sounds like nothing more than mumbo jumbo I am sorry for not conveying it more clearly, that may be my fault. You are in a wonderful search and as I wish only good for myself I will do the same for you!!! Peace and Blessed Be
Posted By: tiamat4

Re: The Goddess - 04/22/08 05:50 PM

"The next time you are in the woods and come accross a very large tree walk up to it and put your hands on it. Keep them there for a time and you will soon feel the energy from it in the form of tingling in your hands. The tree is just as alive as you and able to communicate and so are the spirits in the water."

This is certainly not a strange notion to me. Some of my ancestors come from Ireland. That is probably why the first link that I began to feel was coming to me through the observation of celtic holidays. But not just the tree or the water, but the wind as well. Storms seem to have much to impart as well. So I know what you're talking about. Its true, there are a good deal of people who don't ask these kinds of questions about their environment and about themselves. Thanks for your continued blessings - I could probably use all the help I can get. laugh
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 04/23/08 02:09 AM

There was a time when I had a meeting with a person or a group of people, I can't remember which right now. It has been years ago. There were no birds in the woods where I was walking and the creek was still. Something was trying to tell me about the upcoming meeting and I could not seem to connect to the event. I went deep within and still I was discomforted. Oh well, I thought, all is well and I will go. As I was finishing my walk I could hear the wind pick up in a remote part of the woods. Very quietly the wind moved upon me and made the strangest noise in one ear. I thought that maybe some animal or something had rustled some brush or leaves close to me but as I stood there in an openness and expectation I recognized it as a whisper in the wind. It did not come right out and say "Don't go", but it did communicate to me a somewhat similar yet ancestral message. One that I would readily recognize as if spoken to by someone in my past that loved me. I was very thankful when I found out that the "meeting" would have been a snare for me. I kept my foot out of it and gave thanks to the Universal Mind for my protection. This was simply another voice that I needed to hear and learn from. Not every voice do we heed or act upon but when we ask for help or protection the cosmos opens up to us in truth and we know that we are surrounded with comfort. The completeness of the universe is already within you. Just relax and know that it is unfolding. Your honesty, which is very much like a little open-hearted child is met with the brightness of the light just like the sun in the water. You could possibly also have some other souls sending life towards you. What is sent comes back in even a more refined way. Rest Blessed be
Posted By: honey415

Re: The Goddess - 04/23/08 10:33 PM

ya know i have nocited things like that and never really paid much attention to them. i am going to have to pay better attention.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 04/25/08 01:36 AM

I grew up hearing" Tell no one but those in the family that possess the "inner power" because others would not understand." I was able to keep my mouth shut.I was also told to write nothing of these things down because from the first word written it is diminished. I was not, however, able to pass this information to my kids that was given to me from my grandparents which breaks my heart. I love my kids but it will skip them. I am getting older and I will not let these things just die within me despite what my family would have said years ago. What I know probably amounts to a pimple on a rhino's [censored] but if it will benefit the suffering of a few it is worth it. Some very old family members told me years ago about where we came from. I am still pondering it. It goes like this: Nature and our environment taught us everything that we needed to know about our path in life. How many plants in the row, how many minutes to mix, how many cups, 50 and 4 rounds on the winder for a skein, how many arms length square for a cord, when to plant, etc. We trusted nature to tell us how to interact with it so we would be productive in life. When we no longer believed that we could trust these things we started schools.--- We would listen to our bodies that would tell us what we needed for good health. If something was wrong with it we simply listened carefully and it would speak to us what we needed to do to help ourselves. The inner skin of the bark of which tree? The medicinal benefits of the root of the tanzy or the thistle, or the seed of the flax plant, what to boil and how much. We lived in very good health until we quit trusting that inner voice because we did not want to be that responsible so then we needed doctors.---We helped each other, family or not, especially in times of trouble. We forgave even the most grievious disagreements and calmed our anger as that was the secret to self acceptance. We understood when someone would lash out and did our best to befriend them so that they could feel accepted and find their way back home. Then later we quit having patience and did not want that responsibility so we then needed attorneys.--- We loved each other. In the old German we had a marvelous word called "gemutlichkeit"; forgive the spelling as it has been many years.The meaning of the word has been diminished over the years. The word means fellowship, sharing, contentment, and making a total stranger feel like family. No one was a stranger. We connected with each person and in that acceptance found strength in its unity. With all of these things we found a oneness that made us glad to rise every morning. We then became too independent and desirious of self gain. We left the perfection of that that was within and then sought a god from without."------My Grandparents told me that others would not understand these things so just be quiet. I hope and pray in this new millenium that they are wrong. Today if we would just stand in us, become impowered, and really know who we are, we would heal, we would have unlimited friends because they would feel the strength within us. We would have an abundance of money,land, possessions. We would lead and teach. We would finally come into our own as it should have been since the beginning but yet so hidden. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/01/08 12:23 PM

Tanta Gertrude who was my Great Aunt "Gert" as we called her was a real card!!!!! She always used to hit me up with a knock knock joke or something simple and/or stupid,I thought. One day she asked me how many sides are there to the cross. I just blurted out "4". She said that I was right. God at the top, the unknown at the bottom, Jesus on one side, and the Holy Ghost on the other side. I asked "the unknown at the bottom???". She said to me that the unknown is the one that is the support, the one who is in the earth that supports even the part in the sky. I've never seen her more serious just at that moment. Then she laughed with that old Dutch cackle that we all knew and then she proclaimed" Only a woman could hold all of that up!!!!"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/04/08 03:19 PM

She barely made it through the 4th grade. She knew nothing about algebra or higher math but the ravens would tell her of soon coming events. She did not know anything about social studies or calc or trig but the fly that bothered her brow constantly while she was making bread would tell her a remedy for the next sick child that she would encounter. She did not know what 40 times 4 equalled but she knew what bark of which tree added to a few specific weed roots brewed would cure asthma if taken appropriately over time. She did not understand punctuation but she did know that word placement-word order in conversation had the power to heal or do otherwise. One time a young farm wife came to her in a very sad state. She had been married for only a few years. She had such hopes and dreams, beautiful bed spreads, nice furniture, house restoration, lots of kids, and a hubby who really cared about her as she did about him. In the conversation it became apparent that the only thing he really cared about was his H Farmall tractor and his herd of 30 milking Holstiens. She was only a possession and was horribly abused by him. He sat within the first few rows of the front of the church every sunday, was well respected and considered a "pillar" of the community. The lady feared for her life wondering if he would eventually kill her. Also during the conversation the woman became so distraught that the older woman cried with her and they hugged each other. The young lady in desperation screamed" I love him so much but I almost wish that he was dead.!!!!!!!!!" The older one told her that if that happened part of her would die also. I do know that others in my family would have handled that situation in a very different way but the older lady looked deep into the girls heart. The young girl left after the older lady told her" Do not give up, do not give in, and do not go away." !!!!!! Later that day I saw the older lady staring into the fire in our front room oil burner. I asked what she was doing and she said "Just burning some trash." I said that she can not burn trash in an oil stove fearing that she had put some in it. She said nothing. Just then I felt a pit in my stomach which was our elders way of telling us that this conversation was over. I lurked away rapidly. The abuse ended within a short amount of time. I believe that that young couple, not too long ago, celebrated their 40th wedding anniversary. I heard that during that reception her husband told the family something like this; he found out years ago just how precious and how beautiful inside that his wife really was. She always loved him. Do not give up, do not give in, do not go away.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/07/08 10:26 AM

My Uncle Walt was 5 feet tall all over. This roly poly Dutchman had a thick Dutch-upper midwest farm accent and always wore his bibs and a flannel shirt. Secretly we both loved to goof off. We would get into the middle of the field, whether it was rock picking, baling hay, ot whatever chore that needed to be done and then just stop. They had no kids of their own. My Aunt, Suzanna Johanna or "Aunt Sue" as we knew her would just shake her head at us when I would come to visit as we usually had little intention of over exerting ourselves even though farming required much attention. For that time the work ethic was "out the window". We would stop at the fence about half of the way around the 80 acres opposite the house and the road by the old rock pile and talk. The butterflies would be thick, the Meadow larks would be singing their beautiful song and one could see the heat shimmering off of the field. He would lean up against his fence post and me against mine. The conversation would start in english but as the intensity would increase our Germanic roots would surface in more than just our language. No one would have ever suspected that this funky little dude held secrets within that, as we talked, took me to another world. I thought at times that he was "far out" so I would question him but he was patient with me. My questions were a way of trying to keep myself grounded. I asked him about prayer. He said that he just saw in his mind what he wanted and, like with the power of a freight train, went for it. His farm was paid off, he owned all of his own equipment and stock outright, and had a little money in the bank so I could not argue with his method. "Prayer is a funny thing," he said. It seemed to him that some people prayed for God's blessings on others but more often than not the prayers were for God to make others conform to the wishes of the originator of the prayer. This puts an undue preassure on a person that it is focused upon. If their spirit is not so inclined it is damaging to them. You would have to have known my Uncle, as he was a very spiritul but a no B.S. kind of guy. The whole family knew at least that much about him. My questions were an attempt to keep him at bay when I did not want to hear something contrary to my religious tendencies but he finally overrode this. In amazement he spouted" Trying to toy with a persons afterlife is the heighth of cruelty. Here is a little person trying to do his best just to make it in life and then some authority comes along as says that unless you do a perticular thing in this life you will be condemned in the next." An innocent little person without being very spiritual would be terrified at this prospect and out of fear would conform. This will shut down all creativity, expression, and freedom within the spirit. "The purveyors of such threats, he told me, should be tarred and feathered!" Yet they go on forever and many people continue to buy their wares." My uncle went to church every Sunday carrying his King James version of the bible under his arm. It was during one of these lofty lectures he asked me a question. "Do you know the parable; A woman hid a little bit of leavening in the bowl of meal until it was all leavened?" I said," I think so." Then he asked me," Who was the woman?"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/07/08 09:12 PM

Just a little footnote; When my Uncle died my Aunt folded up his bib overalls, flannel shirt, and boots and put them on a little chair in the bedroom. His dog Buster, except to eat, drink, and potty never left the side of the chair. My Aunt would sit with him at times. She eventually had to put Buster down as he languished and with lack of exercise began to wither away. Such a hole it left in Buster! I take extreme joy from the fact that since then I have communicated several times with my Uncle which makes me know that there is no such thing as death. I knew it was him!! We just enter another space and time but we can communicate between them once in a while-if we will. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/08/08 02:56 AM

We were all so anxious for her to come for a visit. This was only her second or third time in the U.S� Her name was Julianna Wilhelmina Vondervoorst or to us cousin "Julie".I can't remember the exact spelling of her last name . I do not know exactly who we were expecting but for me it must have been a cross between Eleanor Roosevelt and Queen Julianna of Holland. I mean with a handle like that what were we supposed to think? By the time us kids came around we were simply� Dave, Dick, Mary, etc instead of David, Reichardt, Maria etc. thanks to the foresight of our parents. In any case Julie arrived. She was just as dowdy and homespun as the rest of us. There was something different about her however. We got home and started to talk. Only a certain number of people in the family knew about our "extra" gifts. I got really bold and asked her in� a way that only one who had these gifts�would recognize and it would quicken in them.�If one�was unaware� it could be dismissed very easily with no after thought to it. Her eyes�became as wide as those of�a toad in a hail storm. She immediately looked at my Grandmother who smiled only a crack and nodded. Julie then looked back at me with a stern face. "You need to be careful who you speak to about these things.�Now that you have opened this gate, she said, would you like me to put a spell on you?" I began to laugh out loud in joy and said "Oh my God, we are all over the place!" Julie began to laugh with me and put her hand on my arm. I looked over at my grandparents who had all but joy on their faces and shook their heads at me. �I mean after all she is family and I was a brainless teenager. I must have been next in line for these gifts as it skipped my parents and my sister, who this was supposed to go to I guess. I may not have been the best candidate but this thing chooses whom it will. Most of the women it went to at least with our family used wisdom in its administration but I was a searcher and�although unwise at times��I was protected. We then really started to open up to each other.�I was studying about some eastern philosophy and Gurus at that time. They captivated my waking hours as�I read about them.�I was telling Julie about my studies and she seemed very interested. I told her about this one Guru who could actually pull fruit out of the air. She had never heard of such people before. I mean this was the 60's, who really did except for far-outers like me? She asked me what they were called again. I said "Guru'. Then she said that the guru was within. I told her that this guy can pull fruit out of the sky!!!!!!!! She asked me what was within me? I did not understand at the time. Then she told me a true story about herself. "One time some of her born again Christian family was really on her case about being saved. They all planned and got together to corner her and try to force her to accept their views. They�were relentless as they were sure that she was going to hell. She was to accept Jesus!!!!�She finally had enough after they began almost abusively�demanding� and told them this. "Its just like most women nowadays ,they will always follow a man!!!!!!!" That conversation came to an abrupt halt. Our family was steeped in religion and it was recorded back some 500 years. One of our ancestors was even canonized a saint. The silent other half of the family was composed or earthpeople [for lack of a better word] who brought a balance to all of us. She told me while visiting��that the divine was within us. Some of us had our own beliefs and she knew where I was at the time so she said that there is no greater force in the universe than that that is made up of the human spirit in combination with the divine.. She said "Wake up Dave!"� She said that if people can handle it, they need to know that they indeed are the eternal. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anda

Re: The Goddess - 05/08/08 07:12 PM

Addressing the original topic of the Feminine Divine...

I have come to a unique place in my path where my beliefs have merged with what I know intellectually. From this point, I understand that our concepts of God serve us, not Him/Her/Them. An omniscient, omnipotent being, or set of beings, full of love and positivity and creative energy couldn't give a rutabaga's rear what word(s) or face(s) we use to understand Him/Her/Them. (Kinda like a loving grandmother correcting her little joy when she says "Nana" instead of "Grandma Smith." Who in their right mind would care?) Jealousy, anger and manipulation are human attributes that I expect to be reasonably absent from adult humans, let alone God! lol

So, since our God names and images serve us, I believe we should choose what works for us. I need a Goddess. When I need to talk about periods, my husband, or my feminist conflicts, my dad has no clue. Likewise, I can't always pray to a male Deity and feel heard and understood. In order for me to feel connected to God, I need both a Mother and a Father. Each one touches me in a way no one else can, just like my human parents.

If we could all accept that semantics are in all probability not the highest priority for a Higher Power, perhaps we would get along a lot better. smile Just my two cents...

Anda
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/09/08 10:51 AM

Years ago when I was on the farm we were a very happy people. This is of little consequence today but lets reason together for a moment. We were poor but nobody had any money when I was a kid so we really didn't know that we were that badly off. Our family was just as disfunctional as the next but when we all got together we found and made our own fun. It just took people, not things.
Today we have our $300,000. homes. We each have a cell phone, a car, designer clothes, state of the art blackberries, computers, entertainment centers, I mean this is what our culture tells us that we need to have to be complete. Am I alone here but doesn't it seem here that we are a very surface people? Glitz without but wanting within. Maybe instead of concentrating on having a new whatever when the one we have works just fine, we could just spend the time discovering ourselves, holding our wives or kids and showing ourselves and them the ancient art of completeness through acceptance and love. Nothing so super spiritual about that or maybe it is! Maybe when we practice our religious beliefs, if we do have them, we might also give honor to the being within. We all say please______ this or please________ that or please give us_____ to whatever deity,to whatever male or female entity we behold. Isn't any deity that is worth its salt also wanting us to be empowered for our own betterment? I mean if our earthly parents would want for us as good or even better than they had would not the He, She, IT, that we choose to embrace want the same for us? I will not give allegiance to a deity that demanded constant uplifting while the followers suffered to complete that scenario. How powerful must that one be? Being entrapped or held back is not the plan. We give and give to whatever or whomever and what do we have left? Filling the inner void is just as important as any type of worship or showing love to those around us. Shoving more and more of a deity within or trying to be better or kinder to others without self discovery is killing us. It was never supposed to be like that. We shove things within that do not complete us as individuals. I wish that I had a billion dollars or would win the lottery or something but when it is all said and done when I draw my last breath I hope that I will be able to say I have done the very best that I can for myself and those around me. I can not do it all nor could I possibly hope to but as my grandparents would say "At least we can go down swinging!" Their meaning was far deeper than a physical one. Blessed Be the one that is our strength when we feel that we have fallen short within.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/12/08 05:45 PM

Fear and intimidation have always been used as a tool to control individuals or the masses. Many of these people that use this tool are in high places of authority. They have shut down their true life source within. They can exist, for a time, in many areas of life; organizations, businesses, and even religions and governments. They can wield incredible power and do enormous harm only if we do not believe in the power within ourselves. People are reaching a point where fear is no longer such a gripping issue. They are tired of it. Tired of being afraid. We are coming to an age, slow at it seems at times, where we are no longer going to be controlled. The fact is that any institution, organization, all the way down to the individual who uses fear to promote their ideals will gradually be shelved.It is happening daily. They try to grab as much sand as both of their hands will hold but the more they squeeze the more they loose. Finally as their grip is clenched tightly there is nothing left to hold on to. Fear of breaking cultural or religious laws ahould not be based on punishment. That is why laws continue to be broken. When you tell a child "Do not touch that stove while it is hot or I will spank you." As soon as that persons back was turned touching the stove would probably be the next thing that I would do. I have always questioned authority. However if the person would restate it like this: you may go over and touch that hot stove, that is just fine but let me tell you what might happen. You will probably get a bad owie and it will really hurt, blister, and you will cry. In that light I would steer clear of that flaming monster!!! Likewise we make our assessment of lawbreaking based on the fact that it may do harm to others and ourselves. Those who contribute and build hold the future. My ancestors would say" Down through history those who are ruled will eventually rule." Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/13/08 07:46 AM

maybe they're right, appreciate you, signing off
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/14/08 01:02 PM

Several people in our family were what you would call seers. One of these people was my cousin Julie, actually she was a second cousin on my dads side. In the 1960's she said that the day would come when patriarchal religions would try to take over the earth. There would not be a problem with that if everyone was treated with equality. In my as well as my other halfs' family the matriarchal was predominant. The men were glad to be men and the women were glad to to be women. We cannot deny that it took a man and a woman to create each of us but denial of either gender within will eventually mean spiritual and emotional ruin. I watch daily the patriarchal religions here and also in other countries create merciless cruelties. One man burned his wife to death because she could not give him a son. In that country no one thought a thing of it. I saw it on tv. Doesn't the fool know that biologically he is the one that determines the sex of the child? Do we really think that if this thing goes unchecked it is just going to vanish into thin air??? Guess again! We can pray and pray or fast and fast and what will change? I wish that my cousin Julie was able to post on this site, or maybe she is? If one does not know who they are, find out!! We need to look deep within ourselves to find the gold within thusly giving us the power to change ourselves and our environment. I too am very concerned with this patriarchal madness. The feminine inside of every man as well as those of the feminine gender need to stand up and say NO! We will accept nothing less than fairness. When any one of us wants to rule another that is not allowed.I can still see her arm going up in the air with her fist clenched tightly!!????????!!!!! I never saw two people more in love than her and her hubby. Thanks Julie!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/17/08 04:20 PM

This is a very old song from my family. Its original words were changed by other groups but this is how we sing it from of old; If we awaken her within us and trust in her for all our days, She'll give us strength for each occasion she'll guide us past the darkest days. Who trusts in her as like a dove has found within unending love.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/19/08 01:11 PM

As long as I am in the song sharing mood let me share another that is from my family and very old. I have only let a few others in the past hear this song because as my Grandparents would say "Forget it, speak and write nothing about us, they will not understand." Maybe today a few will? Anyway here it is: If you would lean on the Great Mother, acknowledge her in all your ways, she'll give you strength,throught deepest water, and she'll see you through uncertain days. 2nd verse: If you could let go of this world and trust that she would guide your path, she'll be your lover and close companion, you might just sidestep all human wrath. 3rd verse; If you could soar beyond this system you have a choice that you may make, embrace the one that stands as ageless, she'll comfort you till you awake. 4th verse; She has no need for all our worship, she's right amongst us no need for more, she'll share all knowledge and love abounding, Then she'll let us go that we might soar. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/26/08 05:54 PM

Quit daydreaming! ! ! My high school teachers gave me the business about it as well as my parents. I would sit in study hall and stare out the windows and the study hall monitors would come by asking me why I came to study hall if I didn't study. I had to agree with them. This was their idea not mine! ! What I could not tell them was what I saw. Across the street from the old high school was a row of old houses that were not unlike the homes on surrounding farms. In the cornices or peaks on some of the porches and roofs were little quarter round wheels with turned spokes as people used to call "gingerbread." As I was looking at them the "little people" were holding on to one of the spokes with one hand and twirling around and around having the best time. I did not give a damn what 40 squared equals at that point. It was the 60's and in a little town in northwest Iowa meat and potatoes were the only food, farming was the only way, and dying at 55 of heart problems was the norm. I tried to tell my dad what I saw and although he did not openly make fun of me I knew that he was incapable of seeing such things and thought that I was crazy. Whether I was or still am crazy, according to the norm of this world, is irrelevant. How many of us do actually see things that our families and friends either cannot or prefer not to see? I would really get discouraged at times but fortunately at those times, looking back, the cosmos would open up and provide me with a bus trip to my people in western Wisconsin. This time I was staying with my Aunt Suzanna "Sue" and uncle Walt. They knew that I was troubled about something so Walt went alone into the field to disk, cultivate, or plant or something. My Aunt sat me down and asked me what was wrong. I said that I was just DAMN sick and tired of having these "inner powers' as all that they did was seperate me from my family and friends. I said "Why Us?" She understood more than I knew at the time. The only request that she made was this "Please don't cuss at your Aunt Sue." Then she began to tell me about who we were. "Each one of us has two beings. There is the real us that is blessed with the spiritual and the other self that is the created being." They battle at times but because the "real" inner self is who we truly are, the created self has no choice but to follow. She said that fear, sickness, and doubt are the workings of the created self and as we lean into the real us we leave the former world. She said that when we are oppressed by those that do not understand or we might say something by mistake that the spiritually ignorant take exception with we have several escapes. The one that she gave me was this; You are a little bird. Look up into a very tall tree where a lot of branches form a shelter being in close proximity to each other. Allow your inner being to fly into that thicket and remain still. Neither the hawks overhead nor the varments on the ground can see or reach you. At this point where your outer"created" self is, it is not as defined. Remember, where the inner is the outer must follow. Their intensity against you already diminishes. You have just slipped through their midst. They can not find you and thusly give up their stance as there is no one there anymore to differ with. You can not, however, stay there forever as you have things to do in this world also."David you have got to understand something, she said, You can go where most others cannot." I did not understand until I returned home and in time discovered the validity of what she was saying. Some that we are very close to may never learn in this lifetime what will ease their suffering so all that we can do is truly love them and accept what the situation is. "Some of us can go where others can't." Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/30/08 08:02 AM

As we have need, she is relentless. When we become empowered, we have no needs. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 06/06/08 10:22 AM

I was doing intuitive readings in a metaphysical book store on the west coast. A young girl came in and stood by my table while looking at some books. She seemed very timid and I felt like she wanted to ask me something. She got up the courage and asked if I would help a friend of hers. She had no money but I asked her to sit down anyway. She told me that her friend was in a lot of trouble but explained that it was not her friends fault and what actually had happened. In reading her I saw that she was truthful with me. She told me that she was a novice in Wicca and had just been learning about candle magik. I told her to come back in a few days. Upon returning she thanked me for what I did for her friend and that the friend was now o.k. It was during that very week that my other half and I were being fought by a powerful special interest group in the area. They did not want me or my "kind" around. The town was very religious. For some reason I could make no headway with them. Anyway, here sat a little novice Wiccan right in front of me and the thought came to me that she could help in this endeavor. Then I thought to myself, how could she help? She was a beginner. If I could not do this how could she? I was going to totally dismiss the idea. Just then out of the corner of my eye I caught a glimpse of a few giant Grandmothers in the spirit world with less than smiles on their faces. All of a sudden I felt like my vast knowledge became as significant as dehydrated owl poop. I told the girl that I needed her help. I asked her to come back tomorrow if she would. She came back and as she sat down she laughed and said that she felt like she was in the mafia and doing a return favor. We both laughed. Then I told her about our problem and she said that she woud try candle magik. I thanked her and she left. Within a week the intent of the offending group was completely neutralized!!!! Talk about powers beyond the Red Sea Parting!!!!! The next time I saw her I thanked her!! Don't ever underestimate the power of a newbe. The Great Mother is, as I found out, quite protective and responsive to her own. Blessed Be
Posted By: Chelle - Marriage Editor

Re: The Goddess - 06/06/08 12:38 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Don't ever underestimate the power of a newbe. The Great Mother is, as I found out, quite protective and responsive to her own. Blessed Be


I would imagine (not knowing much about this personally), but being a "newbie" this girl had a lot of "heart" put into everything she does - whereas some people who have been doing the forms for a long time get caught up in the ritual itself.

In Christianity we often refer to the newer Chrisitans as having more "fire", because they are so excited about what they are just starting to feel, whereas some of the rest of us have grown used to the feeling and are almost a bit jaded (sad to say.)

Having knowledge and experience is wonderful - and should never be overlooked; but having enthusiam and zeal is also its own strength.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 06/07/08 01:06 AM

There is magik in the moonlight. The fireflies light up the side of a hill in the evening. Some of the farms are abandon but still inhabited. The wind whispers their secrets and the air is clean and one can see for miles. For the spiritual one can see the fullness and the possibilities. Farms don't cost a lot here and one could easily own one if one sold that expensive drafty barn in the cities with money to-boot. No kid has ever been abducted here. This environment is changing and there is room for lots of Earth People in this little forgotten pocket of the world. There is a haint here and there and one just a few miles from us, most are unaware. My commute means going downstairs. Downtown is a few blocks long and we have, as my other half calls it, "Rush minute." at 5 o'clock. A few of the stores are vacant. Everywhere around is country. Gardens and chickens are coming back. The birds come and sit beside us on the front porch. The only sound of any consequence on the street is a tractor or creamery truck or some kids farm pickup with his muffler removed. There are problems here just like anywhere else but they seem to be swallowed up in the vastness and openness of the corn and bean fields and bellowing cows. The town fathers would be upset with me for such advertising but they never did like me that well anyway. I can read them all. What a splendid place for a whole new world. Rituals in the woods, gatherings in the grove, and evening fires and dances. I look down Main Street and see the traditional old shops, or what is left of them. Then in my minds eye I see a candle shop, a Tarot readers store front, a healing center, a latte and organcially grown bakery, a spiritual and gift center, a Reiki practitioner or two, an herb shop, an incense cove, the Wiccan centre, and other etherical businesses. My other half says "dream on." I see it and no, I am not a realtor. This place is magnetic and we have broken the ground. It's like a last little frontier. Think about it!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 06/08/08 09:26 PM

My Uncle L. was quite a tipper. He would hang out at the schnootenkoenig. I have no idea if this was ever a bonafide word in any language but this is what we used to call a tavern. I spent one summer on My uncle L.'s and Aunts farm. I was going to call home to tell my parents that I had arrived safely when I encountered another person talking on the line. Many farm lines years ago had 8 to 10 or more people on each line and all had to share time and respected each others usage. After I was listening for a second the parties speaking began talking in German. My aunt said that that was Mrs. Ackermann. My Aunt told me to say that I understand what she was saying in German so I said"Ich Verstand." The old woman on the other end of the line said"Ach Gott !" which means Oh My God and she promptly hung up. We all laughed. My Aunt said to me that she was one of "US." Rarely did my family ever share the knowledge of our inner power with someone outside of the family but My Aunt said that she trusted this German lady without question and that she was one of her dearest friends. I said "When can I meet her" I had all the inquisitiveness of a cat but many times the wisdom of a bull in a china shop. My Aunt said "Oh God" and this time in English. " Go slow as she is a dear little lady" she said to me. In those days on farms people would "neighbor"-visit each other. That Friday night we went over to the Mrs. A's house. My Aunt reluctantly told her that I was privy to our knowledge. Surprisingly the lady opened up to me right away after asking me if that was me horsing around with the phone. I asked her if she knew the Great Mom. She did not call her that but instead she called it "Wasser und erde geist." To her these were spirits that were without gender but were an extention of the female in the universe. I told her that I loved to do little magical- good, fun things. I was kind of a simp in those days but they bore with me. She told me that there is no difference between good or bad magik. Now days we would call it white or black magik. She said that magik is just magik, thats all. She said things like good, bad, black, white, right, wrong, evil, holy etc. are all mans oppinion. "There is what there is," she told me. She said to look at a person that we call "bad." I thought immediately of my brother. Just Kidding! She said" Is there no redeeming quality in this person?" Then she said to look deeper. I asked her if she believed in God. She said that she believed in a Mother-Father God. She also conveyed something quite profound to me that I had to observe for many months after our encounter. She said that God at one time encompassed both attributes of male and female and this just came with the territory. Many of us just grew up with it without even thinking about or talking about it. She said that as generations progressed the gentle feminine was slowly replaced with a predominantly male entity. This, she said, because of more modern immature spirituality, paved a way for a barbarism, abusiveness, and destroyed the "Mirth" in the human spirit. She said that the Mother-Father God stayed the same, it was people that changed the landscape and that possesses great power if enough people believe it. Then she posed a question for me" Who created who?" For the first time in my life I could not answer such a question! Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 06/13/08 06:01 PM

My son one time asked me," Dad, what can I do to become more spiritual. He wanted to be one of those that turned the cosmic knobs that gave healing, that could affect people in his family as well as on other parts of the earth. He wanted to be able to change the course of a bad storm. He wanted to be able to defend himself against any enemy that he encountered no matter how numerous they were. He wanted to find his place on the earth and walk in power. I told him that in order to become that spiritual you must pay your phone bill. You must pay your light bill. You must love yourself and your family and the inhabitance of the planet. You must think about the little birds and creatures on the earth and how humans need to stop raping and destroying our environment. He lost his enthusiasm because I think he wanted me to tell him how to" turn the knobs". "The greatest knob to be turned is to extend your love to the ends of the earth." He was a yound virile macho kid that just wanted to find himself in the earth of which I perfectly understood however this was not exactly what he wanted to hear from me. I could give him nothing more at the time. I remembered when I was about his age. I was feeling my oats and everything was new and challenging. I studied about great teachers such as The Great Buddha, Jesus, Mohammed, and some eastern Gurus. I embraced some of their teachings. As I became more empowered I discovered an interesting anomaly. After I learned from them what I needed I had a tendency to hold on to such a being thinking that this was a necessity. It was my cousin Julie, years ago, that told me upon another one of her visits that any being that truly loves and wants for us will release us to advance ourselves into perfect freedom. She said that The Great Mother allows us to stay in the nest as long as we need. Then we push ourselves out of it in order to live in fullness. She does not want us to stay forever. We can let her go too as she doesn't need that forever connection or worship. She is capable. She already knows who she is. Besides, she has a countless stream of newbies that keep her occupied. What kind of love is that? She gives freely without wanting in return, then lets us go to find eternal things. She is a perfect lady and Mom. Julie said that the deities, teachers, and guru's that demand that their followers hold on to them past the learning stage create huge problems. Likewise if we hold onto to them we create the same. First we learn what we need then another set of hurdles are created that we must then go past also. They/We must all let go for our own fulfillment. If not they bask in our attention and we live always coming up short. They made it and we just don't quite. When our family was part of the church some 500 years ago we were told that unless we stayed in the "nest" or the "arc of safety" we were going to hell. We said to hell with them! It cost a few of us our lives but in the end we lived happier than many others thought ever possible and without fear. We advanced spiritually and watched others stagnate and suffer within. If we tried to share with them they would become afraid and turn on us. That is why nothing was ever spoken or written to others outside of the "inner-empowered" members of the family. Julie said that we don't need sheep or for that matter Judas Goats on the earth. We need to have that eternal inner life and power. I think it was after this visit that I never saw Julie again. These were powerful words for the 1960's and they just keep getting more so. Release the hold upon others past the need and trust yourself. There are powers within that, by word only, can create a whold new world. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 06/29/08 10:38 PM

There would probably be at least one hundred people at our family reunions. Any relatives that lived in the cities would have to come to one of our farms as no homes or yards in town could handle such a mass of people. One year many years ago such a gathering was at Henry and Hannas farm in Western Wisconsin. The men were in the machine sheds looking at Henry's new New Holland Baler and J. Deer Tractor. The moms were in the house discussing probably cooking, canning, my Grandmas spinning or some such thing and busy preparing the meal. There were so many people there that plywood sheets would be layed out on saw horses outdoors to accomodate all the food. Us kids would be in the barn climbing up one end to grasp the massive hay rope. We would then swing out on it into the mass of hay yelling "Geronimo". All was well until one concerned adult would break the sabbath stillness with the words" I sure hope that you kids are not jumping into that hay. What if there is a pitch fork in it somewhere?" I left the barn in search of a more desirable environment. The old timers would be sitting in lawn chairs under a big shade tree between the house and the barn. In those days they would generally engage in topics of religion, politics, or how corrupt the youth of today were as opposed to their time. Many times the conversation varied between English and their native tongues.Then in a little while a few of these old souls would seperate into another group away from the others. This was the group that I wanted to be with. Wouldn't you know just at the time I was walking over to them that Dad would tell me to go play with the kids. I did what he asked many times before but this time I defied him and stood right by them. He came over to me and demanded that I obey. My Granddad turned around and looked at Dad and I saw fire in his eyes as I have only seen a few times in my life. Dad just shrunk away like an unwanted step child and retreated to the machine shed with the others. I guess this was my graduation as they just smiled at me and continued their conversation in German. I was never perfectly fluent in the language but as this little group spoke I understood every word and even some of the multiple meanings in such. Every sentence spoken seemed to lift us to new heights of energy. They spoke of things not of this world but were carried to another world that we understood and was foreign to the rest of the family. We seemed to be acutely aware of word order and its power in each expression. The funniest things would happen in that place; as other family members would walk by no one in our little group changed the tone or intent of conversation as it seemed like none of the others could even hear or understand us. I was amazed at this at the time. We were so many light years away from the farm and seeing things that we could never tell another. When we looked at the farm and all of the people we were shown that all of this was going away. The family farm, the family unit as we knew it, the closeness of people to each other. We saw that one day we would have to buy water to drink and even air to breathe. This was the 60's and you could drink right out of our creek with no ill effects but it had nothing to do with those days. We could look out at the grove and see the energy above the trees just like a skyline above city buildings in a picture. The cows would try to get through the fence to be by us and it was as if they saw the same thing that we were seeing. The dogs stood or layed right by us and we few saw the beginning from the end of this thing called life. There is no explaining these times other than to say that there is a perfect peace in this world that transcends all other worlds. One is never the same when one sees this. Just be open and allow. Blessed be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/08 07:53 PM

In conveying facts about my family I have to be truthful about all events that took place, some of which we were not proud of. It was not all extremely nice people with gifts used for the benefit of mankind! One example was a relative, a very gifted lady that used her "inner power" for things other than to benefit her family and others. She had been a part of a perticular organization that made us all uncomfortable. Everyone however has free will so we just kept quiet and did our best to offer her a spiritual hand if she ever needed it. We knew that this organization offered her incredible things if she would do their bidding. They sent her to enact some things against people that the organization deemed "evil". I do not believe that these people were bad at all, they were just standing in themselves and not accepting intimidation. Some of these people were really hurt by her and it even went further than that. We had to let her go. It was like seperating a hot coal from the others. She just kind of went out. We held her mother very close as she felt such horrible guilt teaching her daughter about our families inner gifts. You can not even imagine the grief that this mom felt!! What could we say? In any case the woman went on to do such hideous damage until the time came when we finally got through to her, or at least something did!!! When she saw what she had done and been she went to the organization and told them. They ran her off like a stray dog and then went to work on her spiritually in the way that she had done to others. Some could say that that is justice and she got what she deserved. What do we do about her Mom? All we could do is comfort her. The offending woman thought of suicide but we did extend a hand to her and she made it although she carried the guilt of what she did for all the rest of her days. We loved her, we are about love and forgiveness unlike this organization. At her funeral my cousin sang the old hymn" Brightly beams our Fathers mercy from his lighthouse evermore, but to us he gives the keeping of the lights along the shore. Let the lower lights be burning send a gleam across the wave, some poor fainting struggling seaman you may rescue, you may save. Blessed be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/08 08:22 PM

ancientflaxman,

How sad it must have been for her mother. Mothers naturally feel guilty when their child errs on the wrong side. I admire you and your family for reaching out to the one on the wrong side, to try to help her. To send her off to a brighter place at her passing was very admirable of all of you.

Sometimes, people are so overwhelmed with their powers that they do not know the right way to work with it.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/06/08 11:58 PM

Aunt Babe, as we called her was probably one of the most loving relatives that we ever had. She was an excellent cook and baker. She made such excellent dishes as Sauerbraten, Bavarian red cabbage, potato glusse, speatzle, stulle, and many other foods that they would now call ethnic. Back then it was just what we ate. For years we went to German dances that would be held each weekend and in various places. We would drive 100 miles if our favorite German band was playing there. Babe would have a great time and her laughter was as contagious as her capacity for love and caring. When anyone visited her home they would always leave with food, or other things. Her powers of discernment were well honed as she could see if there was a need in visiting family or friends and they would leave with at least food, clothing, or a little money, depending on that need. She made each person feel like a king or queen in her presence. At her passing it seemed like the whole county was there. She shared some secrets with me about entering into the "new world" as she called it. Her parents came from the old world to find a new life and to escape religious persecution. This new world that she was talking about was the next step in the progression of life. It is non geographical, it is a spiritual plane in which the natural singularly thinking man cannot enter. She was an inner empowered family member but what she discovered was found mostly by accident. She became very sick years ago and despite our family's healing powers we were seemingly blocked from helping her. In such desperation she was checked into the hospital. Lessons, lessons, lessons! The doctor came with his prognosis. She did not have long. Within a few days she came home but was very troubled by this whole situation. She told everyone that she wanted to be alone. She stayed in her room and faced her dilemma by herself. She told me later what she did. This is one of those times when I would suggest "Do not attempt this yourself. " When her breathing became shallow she became afraid but an inner voice spoke to her and told her not to fear. She argued with it but being spiritual she relented. She then said to herself ," If this is the last, I am ready." As she relaxed she began to see a different place where such things as breathing were of less consequence. She was entering into that different place. There was no problem breathing there and it returned to normal. She just had no fear and knew down deep that,although faintly visualized, somehow she was going to be o.k. Then her heart began to beat very rapidly and fear once again tried to grip her but her resolve again was the same. She was ready to go but this time she knew that she was o.k. despite the fear. She continued to enter her "new" world. Her breathing and heart beat were almost nomal by now but instead of breathing with the earths consciousness she was learning to breathe on her own. I hope that this makes sense. Even though one can not control the heart rate it slowed down when giving it over to this new place. When other things seemingly began to fail she met each thing with more courage than the last. She eventually lived to be a very old woman and her love and devotion to those around her never ended. We are leaving the old world and entering the new. Geography and the hope in it is waning but the spiritual is vast beyond comprehension. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/09/08 10:50 AM

Witchcraft has been the most feared, but even greater than that, the most misunderstood of lifestyles. To us it has been about finding ourselves instead of constantly seeking a deity's approval in dread and fear. I am the last in my line so why do I have to care. I am going to expose our family for their reality and instead of being afraid that I have done so I will honor them because of their unfathomable love and understanding. For generations the Christian men in our line have sought out the Wiccan "Witch Women", to marry as they were considered "HOT". These wives could take their men to heights that they could not imagine in realms of spirituality and sensuality. The Christian women would seek out the Witch men likewise for the same reason.The satisfaction was beyond description. All went to church because if you were going to be in business or have any kind of social standing you needed the churches backing but everybody kept their mouth shut. The kids from these unions were robust, bright eyed, healthy as horses, and were usually much above the average in intelligence. This was in our DNA. In my family there were very gifted people, inventors, church leaders, many well endowed with money and land, and visionaries that gave hope to many people around them probably even without their knowing it. When religion tried to make sex a terrible word, we all laughed within. When we looked at how serious people would get about this thing called life we would again chuckle. The deepest part of our spirit was touched by each other and sensuality calmed and satisfied our innermost needs. It was healing to us.We were not afraid of it like the outside world was and still is which makes such incredible suffering today. When I used to go to basketball games in school I could feel if there was another one of us even amongst three to five hundred people in the auditorium. I could gaze through the croud and spot a "brother or sister" in spirit and they usually would be looking at me. We that were inner powered would be drawn to each other and it was like we "fell" into each other for lack of a better word. Over the years I have encountered others that had such knowledge in their families however so many of them ended up using the "darker" side of it, if you will, to control or for greed, or other lesser motives and they could not "glow" like they once did. Maybe it is best that these things go away. Maybe also these next generations can accept each other without prejudice, duality, or seperation and we can advance to a world of a truly peaceful consciousness, within and without.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/19/08 05:20 PM

The greatest resourse that has ever been is probably the most overlooked commodity on the earth. It is that spark that exists in every soul. We look at the splendor of the mountains or the ocean and they seem to "carry us away" upon visiting them. We look at the advances in science and technology and we are in awe. We look to so much outside of ourselves and give honor to what our eyes or heart will behold. When I was young my Mom would drag us kids to church each Sunday. Nothing was unusual about that except for one Sunday many years ago. The pipe organ was playing at full throttle. The acolytes "two little kids with candle lighters in way oversized white robes" proceeded to the front of the church. I never really noticed the choir before but today they were in perfect step with their white robes, gold sashes, open hymnals, and fanning out to the two sides to the front of the church. The song was Holy, Holy, Holy and I never heard it more beautifully sung. Normally anything like this would have been on a low priority list for a kid in his mid teens except for today. Tears began to stream down from my eyes and I could not control them. I turned away from Mom as I was not about to let her see them as she probably would have thought,"Oh, how sweet, my little boy is getting close to God." She didn't have the foggiest. When the words were sung "Cherabim and Seraphim falling down before him," I realized what they were falling down before was that most beautiful substance within each one of us. It was not a god, or a pipe organ or a choir or anything else that so deeply touched me. It was that most hidden treasure found within each being all the way from the drug dealer on the street corner to Mother Teresa. It was that expression that we can find in each of us that laughs, cries, loves, dislikes, sings or soars to worlds unknown. There is nothing greater in the universe than what is within each of us. That is what the angels, the heavenly host, and even the deitys fall prostrate before, I saw it and I could not contain myself. We, and that substance within, are the most important factor in this thing called life. All of the distractions and fears of this life will never truly alter who we are within. They might try but they will fail. I could not share my family's knowledge with my kids so I will share them with you if you can use or want them. They had such profound love, direction, and insight and that is the need of this hour. Thank you for allowing me to share my people with you. Do not ever let anyone put you down!!!!!! Cousin Julie would say, "You are the Eternal." This is ancientflaxman signing off. Blessed Be You
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/24/08 11:51 PM

I had not planned on posting anymore on this site but I am doing so now to help another person. It may not have much to do with the Mother Goddess or maybe it does? In any case this is an event that happened almost thirty years ago when we lived on a farm in southern Washington state. We were attending church and I asked my sons friend if he wanted to come over and ride horses that Sunday afternoon. He was excited and we were just about to leave when I saw his sister peeking from behind a door from the Sunday school room and she had tears in her eyes. We had almost left without a care until I saw her. I went to their Mom and asked if Jennifer likes horses. Her Mom said that she loved them and loved to ride them. I asked her if Jen would like to come to the farm and ride with her brother and my kids. Her Mom said that she would love that. I asked Jen and she lit up like the sun, wiped her tears, and we all went riding. Her Mom said that when she got home that night she was so excited. She loved those old hay burners!!!! A year or two later the church went through a split and everybody scattered to different places. We then heard months later that Jennifer had drowned in a river while on a church outing. We were all beyond grief and at the funeral her Mom said that Jennifer was probably riding horses in heaven by her Savior. I forgot about the whole situation as it has been so long ago until just recently. I was in my studio and a little being came to me. I could not see the presence but when she spoke I knew that it was little Jen. I said to her," Is that you Jennifer?" She then asked ,"Where is my Mom and Dad? She is still about 10 years old by her voice. She had been looking for them for almost 30 years!!!!!!!!! I told her that I did not know where they were. She begin to cry and so did I. I felt her loss very deeply at that moment and I told her that I loved her and I will be with her for as long as it takes. She ferequents our home and her tears are felt by my other half and myself almost every day. She cannot or will not move on until she makes contact with her Mom and Dad and I am not going to stand in the way of her quest. Her parents were Christian people who believe that a reunion only comes at the resurection. What do I do with Jen?? This life is definately not the end!!!!! I know that this sounds crazy but I am asking for help from you out there who are gifted with spiritual abilities to help locate her parents or at least help make this connection.. Maybe they cannot be found or maybe they would not believe what has transpired anyway but I believe that this is possible. They may also have unresolved issues with the loss of their daughter. There is no money involved here, I, or someone just needs to be able to tell them that Jen needs, if even for a short moment, to be with them and they need to reconnect. I don't know how we'll do it but we must be able to.If you have any suggestions or information please email; flax@midwestinfo.net or simply leave a post. Thank you for reading my post, sincere Blessings. Dave-ancientflaxman
Posted By: Elleise - Clairvoyance

Re: The Goddess - 07/29/08 01:40 AM

Hi there,

If you have a connection with Jen - what I can try is this. Communicate with her that you have someone, if you feel comfortable that is, that would very much like to speak with her to help her understand where her parents are so that she will be able to find them. I have a daughter. She loves horses as well and would be around the same age I'm guessing. She turned 10 this june.

You could try this yourself too, by explaining to her about the trip she took. Try to begin with some pleasant memories of the church and horseback riding. Explain about the water in a simple/pleasant way. Explain to her she is in a very special place that allows her to access her spirit gifts to watch over her parents and even prepare for when they take a special trip as well. This special place is different from here. You don't have to walk or drive to find someone you love and care for. All you have to do is think of them. Tell her she can pretend she sees them in her head. But in this place it won't be pretend. You will be able to speak with them in their thoughts and dreams. Ask if she's ever had a dream about horses. Explain, just like she could see and feel riding along with the horses, her parents will be able to see and feel her to. She can tell them anything her heart desires and they will hear her.

They might be confused at first, but they will hear her...this is just btw for this topic. You can tell her this if you'd like but explain it as you would to a child who is learning something in a class...it might be confusing at first, but eventually, you are so happy when you actually get it. Hope this helps smile

P.S. As I write this the lights in our RV are flickering on and off. Best to you and Jen.

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Elleise
Clairvoyance Editor
http//www.Elleise.com
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/29/08 12:18 PM

Thank you Eleise!!! Knowing how to communicate with her is very important, thank you for the information. I do have excellent news; Someone was here for a few days, did not communicate much with us, made some noise, stopped the clock, turned over a toy, all of which is not uncommon for our home, and then left. I told the spirit, whom I sensed was a lady, that she was welcome as long as she was there for Jen and to help her find her parents. Jen must have gone with her because we don't feel her here any more. Maybe it was her Mom that came for her? These types of things make me glad to be alive today. It is just as active on the other side as it is on this side. Love exceeds every gulf. Thanks again Eleise and others!!!!!!!! Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 08/19/08 12:30 PM

When I first started posting on this site many months and pages ago I just wanted to share my family with someone as I thought that, if not, it would all die with me and be lost. It is not that my knowledge is that special it is however possible that some could benefit because of it and that was my hope. I had no idea of the consequences of my actions. The church attacked me every way come Sunday but I held my course. Now I see why. She is coming back, no longer in the hidden sense but now in the consciousness of the minds of many. If it was not me it would have been another that would speak out. I'm just a very little speck in the realm of spirituality and that is just fine with me because I know that she is helping people in this fearful uncertain time. My sincere love and respect to you all. Thank you guys!!!!!!!!!! Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 09/22/08 08:13 AM

The harvest is bountiful. The neues wein fest is over. The old is gone and we now envision the new. Our feet are strong in the earth, our hearts soar to the dream. What is seen provides no words but no words are needed. What could be spoken? Words can not contain. Natural eyes may fail but our vision is beyond this universe. We see the end from the beginning. It is as a huge mainspring that is being unwound, once too tight but now recoiling freedom. Fear and doubt release their grip and what is real now overtakes us. She minds the store and we mind our business. She gives a hint in an ever present deluge of deception but the hint is the blood of life and restoration. Oh listen we, oh listen we. Her seed is eternal, Blessed Be Blessed Be Blessed Be
Posted By: Divinemother

Re: The Goddess - 09/23/08 01:07 AM

Hello everyone!
When all is said and done, there are no true religions here. All are false.
The only truth is your heart connection to the Source/Creator.
The Creator is a broad term trying to define a multi-focused Being of immense Love. Divine Love.
This Being is neither male nor female, but can and does focus it's Love into form and enter our world to remind us of the great Love that connects us all.
No religion, no Bible or Holy book, no dogma, no rules, no rituals, no laws, etc., can connect you to this Being. In fact, it keeps you separate via quilt, "sin", sacrifice and the feeling of not being worthy enough to have a direct relationship.
You are taught that you must go through a rabbi, a priest, a minister, a book, do some rituals; not so.
Truth is simple. The Divine is Simple. All souls are pieces of the Divine in physical expression. The connection is already there.
There is never any need or situation that requires anger or the position of, "I'm right/you are wrong".
There is no judgement, for who is there to judge?
Yaeshuel, or Jesus is a part of the Divine who entered our world to remind us of the Love that connects us. He did not come to judge. His words and life were twisted to fit into religion to control the people. He was murdered to shut him up. This is what hatred does. It kills that which it cannot control.
Love allows.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 09/23/08 02:10 AM

It is nice that you can just dismiss all religion as false and you may be perfectly "right on". To recognize a "Creator", in what ever form it possesses, is also religion. There are realms beyond that. This is not the point. More importantly I am wondering about the countless people who use religion as a stepping stone in life to progress down their path to the next level. Sometimes it takes religion to move past or propell a being to the next life experience. Wisdom in word usage is paramount in dealing with people. We can know everything there is to know about spirituality so do we just speak it and let the chips fall where they may. If you believe in this love that you speak of, lead them, don't dash what they have. Love is gentle and it does not always speak everything it knows. Great leaders allow lesser thought but lead by how they live. Our own children witness that and that alone is the key to progress for us all in the spiritual.
Posted By: Divinemother

Re: The Goddess - 09/23/08 06:38 AM

I only present the facts, unless otherwise stated.
What Soul decides to do with the information is neither right nor wrong. Soul has freewill.
But truth is truth and I believe enough Souls here would rather know that than to stay within their Illusions.
I allow Soul to hear the truth and decide for themselves.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 09/28/08 05:54 AM

I was born blind. My friend was telling me about a beautiful red rose that she saw and how radiant the color was, maybe even healing.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/28/08 06:39 AM

Hold the rose, feel the rose, smell the rose, ancientflaxman. You are wise and loving and reach out to all, regardless of what they believe. You know your heart, you know your beliefs, you know your truths, yet you allow others to know their own truths and hold them near and dear and follow their own path. It would be nice if all could do that. There is one goal and many ways to get there.

"Let us all become spiritual warriors and fight our greatest enemy - ourselves." Black Elk's vision
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/28/08 06:46 PM

Do you know that the way to Boston from where I live is the right and probably only way to get there? Yet for someone who lives in, say Florida, it is not the right way for them. Just thought I would present the facts.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/08 09:11 PM

The most valuable resource on the planet is each other but we have pushed that away and replaced it with things.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/08 10:06 PM

It is not things that makes one wealthy - it is the abundance of beauty and friends we see all around us. If only we choose to look and hold it dear.
Posted By: Chelle - Marriage Editor

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/08 11:29 PM

Sorry I have not been terribly active in this discussion...it started before I became editor - so I'm kind of playing catch up.

So let me state first, I am not going to allow anyone to come onto this site and berate other users or their religious beliefs.

If this continues to happen, the posts will be deleted- and the user will be reported to the forum manager for possible banning.

This forum is open to all religions. This is about spirituality, and everyone has their own path to that. There are several specific religious forums on here that one may go to.

I myself am Christian, and do not necessarily agree with everyone that posts on here personally. But this forum is not about proving who is right or who is wrong, it is about finding strength and peace within oneself.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/08 01:13 AM

Originally Posted By: ChelleLaunch&Spirituality
This forum is open to all religions. This is about spirituality, and everyone has their own path to that. There are several specific religious forums on here that one may go to.

I myself am Christian, and do not necessarily agree with everyone that posts on here personally. But this forum is not about proving who is right or who is wrong, it is about finding strength and peace within oneself.


Thank you, Michelle, for your thoughts and wisdom. I apologize if I posted anything out of line.
Posted By: sherril2

Re: The Goddess - 11/05/08 01:20 AM

Here is to Flaxman. You thought there was no one left of the family to carry on. You were so surprised to find me, weren't you?
To all, I grew up, a kin of Flaxman though we really didn't know each other. My part of the family moved away from the small town where I think we were both born. I ended up on the east coast. I thought I was the only one in the family who had some strange idea's and abilities. It was interesting to hear from my cousin just the other day. One day I'll share more experiences.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 11/06/08 07:17 AM

Willkommen Sherril, Wie geht es Ihnen? Glad to see you up on here. You are so right, I too thought that I was the last in my line and I am so glad to find out that there are more out there. Maybe even more yet, who knows. I don't feel so alone out there now !!! It was very presumptuous of me to think I was the last. Oh well, This is cool !!!!!!
Posted By: Bylen

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/08 07:40 PM

I like the way the Taoist philosophy describes it.
It has the bagua made up of eight trigrams. At the top is Heaven the creator (no this is not a deity) at the bottom of the circle is earth the reciever. Along the sides are wind, water, mountain, Thunder, fire and pond/lake
Each represents an energy of the earth.
Heaven and earth energy are opposite each other on the circle. One creates and the other recieves norishes and provides. There would be nothing for the earth to nourish if nothing was created. There would be no reason to create if it isn't nourished because then it will not survive.
Yet all these energies combine to form one whole.

(The Bagua is an amazing circle. Somehow it represents everything. The way it is laid out is pure genius.)
Daoism is a philosophy, so it doesn't deal with a concept of god. It is a philosphy of life, and earth, of the here and now.
Chi is the energy that flows through all things. It is neither Yin or Yang, neither dark or light, neither male or female. It is neutral. It is not good or bad, it just is.

so, based on my Daoist philosophy, I'm not seeing why God can not be seen the same way? Why question the gender of something/someone who is not human. Gender only plays a part in the earthly form. God is neither male or female. God is all things.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/08 03:07 AM

Good post Bylen ! I very much respect the Taoists !! I believe that there are many paths and many ways to get home; Taoism, Christianity, Wicca, Old Order Witchcraft, Islam, and many other religions or thought processes. If belief in God, the Great Mother, the great Buddah or any other path will help you along the way, go for it! My family used the great Mother to keep us grounded and yet inspired. That does not mean that she is going to work for everybody. I am however a seer and what I see coming upon our country is a trend that may have a less than happy end. Let me explain; I see on T.V. the many faith C.D.'s with young people, hands in the air in praise to God. Nothing wrong with that whatsoever except for what is actually happening to many. People are going further and further out to a deity, in this case God and making it a daily practice of removing themselves away from the earth and the place upon which we exist. If this is continually sustainable and can really help our situation I say go for it!!! The problem is that many use this form of worship to remove themselves from facing their daily life experiences and their problems right here on earth. As a seer I know and feel that the days are coming when this "away" form of projecting ourselves will not be sustainable and those involved will once again have to return to earth and face themselves and their situation and deal with it as we have needed to do all along. I am not speaking here of reincarnation, I am talking within one's own lifetime. What I am saying is "Believe in God if it helps you but remember that in believing in Him it also requires that you must believe that he placed you on the earth. We need to start facing ourselves and our daily lives right now on earth and making changes that will help us here. Some of us have taken an escape out of here in some other world so as not to face our financial, family, personality, abusive situations, or any other thing that we might wish to escape. My Aunt Suzanna Johanna "Sue" told me It is o.k. at times to escape to the thickest part of the tree where the branches are close together to escape certain situations but one can not stay there as we all have things to do on the earth. {on a previous post}. I know that many belief systems are good and help us up to, but not beyond, the point where we continually stay removed from our earthly reality and challanges. Some Christians in my family say that God is coming back very soon to remove his own from the earth so we do not have to worry about the earth so much now. I am not of that mindset but that is of no consequence here as even their Bible has not revealed the exact time when this event will take place. I think if situations are able to be changed for us we need to do it right here. "Somedays" never seem to come, especially when we want them to. We all want to be taken away from things and situations but we have got to face US right here today !!!! Many of us more primitive people who needed a religion used the Great Mother as she constantly kept us grounded yet filled with hope. When my son said "Dad, I want to be more spiritual and make changes in others lives, remotely heal, turn the cosmic knobs to make worldwide changes," I told him to pay your phone bill, pay your electric bill, care for your family and those around you including all creatures of earth. Then you will be vastly spiritual and sustained and who knows, maybe those "extras" may automatically come with the package. We may not have been quite as sophisticated, streamlined, or enlightened as some religions or states of being are and maybe even a little more primitive but we were, and continue to be, a very happy and content people. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/10/08 03:56 AM

Blessed Be.
Posted By: Bylen

Re: The Goddess - 11/10/08 04:27 AM

Hi Flaxman:

A great post!
I believe much as you do. One mountain... many paths. smile

I have an uncontrolable curiosity, so I have studied almost all religions. Anyone who sees my library would be completly confused about what I am. It contains the Kabbalah, several books on the study of the Bible, my Taoist book, a Buddhist book, a few Pagan books, a book of world philosophy, a book of world religions.
Yet I am none of these things and all of these things.
My religion is as personal and individual as I am.
I have no problem with this because to me God is all these things.
I have never been a religious person, but I am a very spiritual one. I have attended church and felt so far away from God that I don't feel the presence there at all. But when I go out in a field and lie down and look up at the sky, and the green of the trees. God is so present that tears have sometimes come to my eyes.
Sometimes I wonder if we have commercialized God the same way we have commercialized Christmas.
I don't think it is a bad thing Flaxman to get back to the basics and the primitive way of doing things.
Sometimes I think the more we try to simplify things the more complex they become and the harder we make things. We invent and devise new things and ideas thinking it will free us and our time, but find in the end it only resticts us more.
Religion, spirituality, beliefs should not restrict or choke us, but should be freeing to the soul.

I don't usually talk about religion because it is very personal and private to me. The relationship you have with your father is different from the relationship you have with your sister, or a friend etc. Your uncle will have a different kind of relationship with your father than you do. I would never dream of telling you what kind of relationship you should have with these people, so why would I tell you what kind to have with God. That is your own personal relationship, and one that only you can have.
Choose your path on the mountain, and enjoy the walk smile

Hugs
Bylen
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 11/10/08 02:16 PM

You may have many different books, ways of looking at things, embrace many different philosophies, religions, or states of being but you do have something that few others have. It is the knowledge of who you really are !!! What a pleasure to know you !!!!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 11/13/08 10:20 AM

Thank you for allowing me to post on this site. I am finally leaving as I have a new project that will keep me busy now. Let me return to an earlier post that I made as I did not write it as I should have. Picture me having been born blind. A friend of mine was trying to describe the beauty of the red rose that she was looking at. She said that the red color was healing. I needed healing but I was still unable to see the red because I was born without sight. I guess that is the way that it will always be. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/14/08 01:56 AM

ancientflaxman, I wish you well in your new project endeavors.
Posted By: MysticSophia

Re: The Goddess - 12/09/08 09:24 PM

I think the Creator looks around and laughs at how we make things so complecated! I think there is truth in all wisdom no matter where it comes from and i think all religions have some wisdom with in them but no religion has the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Posted By: Lynn_B

Re: The Goddess - 12/09/08 09:49 PM

There is a tremendous amount of truth in that statement. Unfortunately, there are too many who believe there is only one path to the divine--and their path holds the only key to grace/salvation/redemtion/nirvana/whatever.

Blessings!
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 03/18/09 10:15 AM

I could not sleep last night, tossed and turned. My uncle Walt once said that if you would seek the truth about a subject you will find the answer if you don't give up. He was a spiritual and religious man and even though it has been 46 years since his departure from this world he still bugs me at times with a message or two. I got up tonight and looked for a Bible. I did not think that I had one but found only a part of the King James version. For years I have not read it and I find it to be quite formal and kinda lofty in word usage but it is the only one that I had. This is what I found, please bear with me: Proverbs 3, Ch.13 Happy is the man that findeth wisdom, and the man that getteth understanding. For the merchandise of it is better than the merchandise of silver, and the gain thereof than fine gold. She is more precious than rubies; and all the things that thou canst desire are not to be compared to her. Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. Her ways are ways of pleasentness-and all her paths are peace. She is the tree of life to them that lay hold of her; and happy is everyone that retaineth her. Ch.4 Get wisdom, get understanding; forget it not; Neither decline from the words of my mouth. Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee;love her, and she shall keep thee. Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom; and with all thy getting get understanding. Exalt her, and she shall promote thee; she shall bring thee to honor, when thou dost embrace her. Thanks for bearing with me and this old book!!! Maybe its just pompous words from an old worn out book or maybe its a tiny bit of yeast in the meal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 04/19/09 12:05 PM

A while back my other half and I were leaving a small cafe to pay the bill in western Wisconsin. We knew nobody in the cafe and we were kinda in a hurry to get home. On our way out,however, an elderly lady reached out and grabbed my hand to stop me. Her husband sat across from her. I did not know this woman from Julius Caeser and I did not readily understand until I looked at her face and concern. I really was not in the mood for insight or 20 questions at the time but I asked her if I could help her. She asked me why so many people today have seperated themselves from each other. Why we don't seem to give each other the time of day. She wanted to know where kindness and loyalty had gone. She asked me why we have a culture that demands that we believe a certain way even if down deep we know that some of it is not right. One must understand that these rural areas were very community oriented in the past and change is going to happen even in these little hidden pockets of the world. What a tall order !!! How does a human being answer such profound questions. I am just an Iowa plow jockey. I had to go deep into the spirit world at that moment to the ancestors because in no way was I going to be responsible for speaking something that was less than the highest and best that this woman needed. I told her this; &quot; If everybody hops on a large boat that is going down stream and you are in your little dingy paddling upstream because you know that that is your path, hold your bearings and do not give up.It certainly will be difficult at times. If you wish to be kind to people and believe and follow what is truly in your heart you must do that. In the end, if you don't give up you will be very happy. If, however you hop on that boat with the rest just because it seems easier you will find that you have traded yourself for an image that will surely end in defeat for you. You may not be cut from the same piece of cloth that many others are. She squeezed my hand and thanked me. I was so happy to have had the possibility of helping her. When we forget each other we have lost ourselves. All the wealth of the world without concern for each other or our environment ends up as hollow as the feeling that we get when there are red flashing lights in our rear view mirror or when we receive our pink slip from a job that we have enjoyed for many years but just short of being vested. We are not commodities, we are not computers or human calculators, we are not disposable. We are that that has always been, ever present, and that which always will be- the eternal.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 05/16/09 07:39 AM

One benefit of having the great Mother in your corner, so to speak, is that she will message her own about various situations or give warnings when necessary. I have had several dreams lately that are all very similar in nature and have been constant. When this happens they are usually right on. Some are abstract and some are vivid. These lately have been the latter. For what its worth here it is: A lady and a man, very high ranking officials have been responsible for upscounding with billions of dollars. This is not that uncommon today except that the destination of these billions of dollars is suprisingly not their own pocket. It is going to an organization that has always been the supposed stalwart of humanity, a becon of hope, the protector of the masses. Now instead of being the peoples friend thay have become the thief in the night. These dollars are unrecorded nevertheless they have been obtained by this organization, the fact of which is unknown to most all of the people who will be responsible for their loss. The people in power responsible for this as well as the organization are fully aware of the breaking of such grevious trust issues and the actions will be discovered and made known to all. As Sophia Patrillo would say, picture this, Sicily 1921.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 06/05/09 04:10 PM

I was going through one of those times when I wondered what I was accomplishing and even what my purpose was on the earth. Ever been there? I was doing readings in a book store on the west coast. It was a very slow week. Some of the locals were uncomfortable with my presence, especially some of the religious. Business was slow, doubts crept in, and the book stocker and I kept staring at each other and rolling our eyes like- why are we here? They had to pay rent and so did I. Maybe everybody is right, nobody wants intuitive readings any more, or at least from me! I was about ready to give up and go home for the day when two men in suits appeared, one at the back and also the front door of the store. I thought to myself, Dave ,What have you done now???? A now very successful movie was being filmed in town so we thought that everybody was over watching the action. The two men looked around for a second and then a lady came in and asked for a reading. I was a little uncomfortable about the guys at the door but -hot dog- the rent might get paid!!! When I sat down across from this lady the energy that streamed from her almost pushed me back into my chair. What a gifted soul!!!! We had one of the best reading that I have ever done and when it concluded the lady thanked me and as soon as she left the two gents at the door also left. My co-orkers and a few friends in the store kept staring at the door and they asked, &quot;Do you know who that was? I told them that I didn't and they said her name. She was the star of the movie. I am not much of a movie buff so I did not know. I'm glad that they said nothing ahead of time as maybe it would have affected the reading or maybe not? Within a day or two the co-star, his wife and several of the camera crew also came in for readings. This little Iowa plow jockey was faced with some daunting challenges as I am not used to dealing with such prominent people but all went very well. My reason for mentioning this is to restate what my Grandparents told me as a young child'&quot; Don't give up, don't give in and don't go away. Sometime we don't think that we have what it takes to accomplish our dreams but those are our negative thoughts only!! Maybe there are forces out there who think differently. The rent got paid !!!!! Keep going !!!! Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/09 11:01 AM

I received a letter recently from a very good friend who tried, as this person might, to convince me that God encompassed all attributes of the male and female.I must be really thick in the head as this is such a simple concept. The only hang-up that I have with this is that every mention of this deity was He this and He that in the letter. One could easily say, oh that is just how people speak, he, she, what does it matter? I am honestly not trying to nit-pick here and I am open to the views of anyone. How people speak, however, is not as important as the spirit that speaks through them. The early church had many opportunities to change the original text for its own motivation. The only problem in their shortsightedness is that some things bled through without their notice. One of these little mistakes that they left unknowingly was one of ten commandments which says to honor your FATHER and your MOTHER. If we do believe in this thing called a Bible and believe that this applied only to earthly parents than we havent progressed an iota in some 2000 years.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/12/09 05:09 PM

People have asked me if there is a connection between the Great Mother and the Virgin Mary. In my family, as far back as I can remember, we have not recognized the two as being the same. I am certainly not as knowledgable about The mother of Jesus as I am about Great Mom. My family always told me however, If someone has more knowledge about spirituality or life in general than we possess, ask them to take our hand and take us with them. If truly they know more about the depth of the human condition we will gladly go with to learn and let the lesser knowledge that we possess fall away to learn the new. In any case I was sitting on my porch rocking in my rocking chair enjoying the day when a little Mexican fellow came boldly up onto the porch and asked me if I was a psychic. I told him yes. He said that that was kind of weird for around here. I told him yes I supposed that it is although I think that he felt perfectly comfortable around me. He had a lot of tats and some numbers around his neck. He told me up front that he was from Compton, Cali. and was a gang member. I said &quot;wow&quot; I have never met too many gang people and shook his hand. His dad moved to our town to get away from the city and his mom who still lived in L.A. sent him here to try to get him away from the gangs. He opened up to me right away by telling me that his good friend who had been killed a while back has recently come back to visit him. He said that his friend would sit on the edge of the bed and they would laugh and joke like they had done before his demise. He asked me if I believed in those things and I told him &quot; more than you know!&quot;. He said that his friend did not want to ever leave and this boy was so very glad for his company as he loved his friend. As I began to share a few of my past experiences about a few people in my family that have returned we found a common ground and a spiritual connection that still gives me &quot;warm fuzzies&quot; inside. I know that this little guy had been involved in some very dark activity probably even some killings, but the kid I was speaking to was a good hearted, open, and a very spiritual soul. He said that he had a hard time with religion and and how some people could be so judgemental. I told him that I believed in the great Mother. He seemed very curious. I explained about her as best as I could. All of a sudden he asked me,&quot; Do you mean Guadelupe?&quot; I was about ready to tell him what I believed but just then I felt a tug from my ancestors and just pondered instead of answering. I then realized that a connection had just been made with the source of this little guy and told him YES, that is her . He told me that his Grandpa believed in Her. He told me that he had to return to L.A. soon as he wanted to see his mom. He asked me more about Guadelupe. I told him that the next time he felt himself in trouble or was about to do something that he wasn't sure of to call out to Her for help. I told him that she will never leave him and will protect him if he will begin to trust her. Tears began to fall from his cheeks and from deep within his being he opened up and said loudly, &quot; I believe, I believe !!!! I wanted to hug him but I did not know if that would be appropriate. He lit up like the sky. He said that he will trust her for help and thanked me for talking. The connection was made, however or whatever I or anyone else thinks, and maybe the comfort and direction that he needs to save and extend his life will now be afforded him. A tender gentle little heart he has and I was glad to know him. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 08/17/09 12:44 PM

Many years ago my Mom's Dad was the superintendant of schools in a community in Western Wisconsin. He was a very educated man, very well liked in his community, a Freemason, a part genius, and a man that demonstrated the fluidity of spiritual living in a very religious community. He once told me that the Great Mother was one hell of a scientist!! We talked about how &quot;inner empowered&quot; people could use nature for their benefit. We also talked about how In ancient days warring villages would use the &quot;bug in the ear&quot; to spy on each other. We discussed Tessla, the great yet underrated scientist who studied how certain animals like the elephant could transmit sound in the form of communication for many miles to each other through a low rumbling sound. The ancients were able to use not only animals but insects to copy their ability to transmit sound. It was not uncommon just before a war for the leaders of the two opposing groups to meet for whatever reason. If one group knew about such sound transmission and the other didn't they had the distinct advantage. The have's would go back home and then focus on the leader of the opposition in a union that would create the facsimile of a buzzing bug in the ear. It would start out as a flutter and then eventually a low pitched humm would result. It was this low pitched frequenty that could transmit the sound of the speech of the victim but also what that person was hearing as it is associated with the ear canal. One of the have's would be designated the recepient of the communication and inform the others in their camp. The only indication that the victim had that he or she was being monitored was a slight low pitched humm in the ear. If one did not suspect or know of such things they just assumed that they were troubled by this pesky sound and try to ignore it which is just what the opposition wanted. These ancient arts are still used today by unscrupulous people or groups to spy on their opposition, one institution in particular who this unfortunately fell into their hands many years ago. Inner empowered people who are concerned about the condition of the planet and humanity know better than to use these things. Those that wish to control others use these arts for their own devices. In the old days we were fully aware of such things but dared not speak of these things to outsiders but today because of misuse on a broad scale against humanity it is time that these things be exposed and dealt with. We have no right to invade anothers privacy like this. There are other such transmissions that need to be seen. NO MORE, IT'S OVER As Grandpa would say,&quot;If you don't believe me, do your homework!&quot; a little secret here; if one of our ancestors were affected by someone that wished to spy on them; we could remove the humm or use it to transmit incorrect information despite what our hands were saying to each other. Taos hum- think about it !!!! Thanks MOM Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 08/20/09 08:59 AM

The sanctity of the soul is eternal. Lesser thought looms as a propellent.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/09 09:46 PM

We are reaching a critical time in history. On every side doubt or negativity seem to abound. Our world seems less secure on a daily basis. We try to hold on to things that don't "fill" the gap so to speak. Finding stability within the soul brings the only continuity that will sustain us. I know this first hand. I have tried to hide in the Great Mother, God ,The Creator, and several other deities but each of them say repeatedly "Stand in you." There is coming a time when YOU will be the only ground upon which to stand and it is soon." I do not like that, it is uncomfortable to say the least. I have asked time and time again why we cannot go on the way it was. I do know, however, that the greatest and most powerful secret has been hidden from us since almost the beginning of time. If we truly saw what was within us all doubts, sickness, low self esteem, and poverty would become a memory only. There would be no one without a home, happiness would be a way of life, food would be abundant and shared and we would speak health to each other and we would recover. Look at any happy successful people or those in nurturing leadership , they know what is truly within them. Those that know how to take only would depleat us and leave us impoverished and along the road to die. We, however, give and speak life from deep within our souls and there is ample room for everyone and abundance for all, plus. Sound utopic? That is just what takers and users want us to believe. They have always been there. My family said years ago that the "Black Magicians" would always want us to be in defeat. WE have a problem though;we want to follow. We want someone else to start or to do this for us. It will never happen that way. We have to reach within and make it be so. Start small. Speak a little life and abundance and even though it sound puny at first don't give up. It will grow and be life changing. This is not rocket science, it is just going to take some work and thought. You might even come up against some very negative people but keep pressing on. There is nothing more beautiful than what is within each being. Each one is needed and a part of a very large complete whole being making us a complete being. There is the finest gold found within.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 12/20/09 10:31 AM

My family used to talk about the great New Richmond, Wisconsin torando of the 1920's. Many of my Mom's cousins were killed in that storm. She was very young but old enough to remember that event. My Uncle Walt remembered that storm also. I asked him about how people handled such losses in their families in those days. He looked at me for a short time saying nothing and then told me,"There is peace in the storm but you have to know how to move with it." "Do you mean roll with the punches or just get out of its way?" I asked. He said nothing. I remember thinking to myself , Oh good, another guessing game!!!!! I recently talked to my other half about what my uncle said and she understood perfectly what he meant. In the eye of the storm, exact center, there is perfect peace. If you move in any direction other than that center you are in turmoil. The only hitch is that in order to stay in that center you must move with the storm as it does not stay still obviously. I am 62 and still learning from my other half and these old timers despite the fact that they physically left many years ago. On the earth there will never be perfect peace because of the nature of man. We must expect to live seeing troubles all around but that is not where we live. We focus on the eye, or the center of the storm and do not let the winds surrounding it affect us. In that place there is peace. "The mind of man, as my Uncle used to tell me, has got to have a three ring circus constantly going on in his head. What will I need to survive, where will I get the money, how is my health, and on and on and on." Keep the focus on the eye of the storm and stay in peace. When I first tried this I was readily drawn into turmoil because that is our nature. Then, after a while I was able to remain focused and found that there is no greater peace than to be content right there. Fear is man made, likewise anger, illness, unhappiness, lack,and all the other negativities in this life. People brought these things upon the earth and it is the peoples responsibility to therefore eliminate them, it was not from God or a devil no matter how much we would love to blame either of them for it. How long are we going to be such gutless little wonders? We have the power to build !!!! The finest gold and the center of all truth is within. That is our legacy. STAND FIRM
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 12/29/09 08:30 AM

I encountered a very good hearted soul years ago that was looking for some help from some deep problems. He said that he wanted a tallisman and had searched high and low with no success. This man was very spiritual and possessed an ancient energy and power that even he did not realize. I told him that a physical object could not root him in the security of spirit that he was looking for. Did you ever have a conversation with someone in a therapeutic manner who subconsciously was enlightened far beyond even what you were telling them and you were aware of that at the time? Their conscious mind was not yet in tune. I felt that this person could have told me secrets that I never learned in any of my lifetimes yet was so eager to learn about even a little of what I knew. For a moment I became almost terrified that with the incredible depth of this man that I would have given him either superfluous or immature information for his needs. I went deep into myself at that moment and my fear past as I began to speak. The words seemed as ancient as time was and for someone as goofy as I act at times I recognized them as being from the source. It went like this; There are many worlds to live in. If you try to live in one and your will is eventually corrupted or hijacked you must try another. One may go through many until one is ready for the world that is truly one's being. It is already known deep within us and when we stumble upon it it will work for us. At that point tell no-one about it no matter how tempted you may be. It may be a spiritual or a physical thing or set of circumstances that you began to focus upon but it is your safety and can never be lost or seperated from you but keep your mouth shut. It will be presented with the information of how to preserve it in secret even from those who would try to read your thoughts for there are people who would attempt to defeat you in that manner. Many spiritual and religious people talk about mystical things. This is mystical, that is mystical, until it almost appears as if it is more of a tool for control. Remember, mysticism only exists until the truth is known and then it is no longer a mystery. Despite what so many would have us swallow, we are capable of knowing ALL truth and ALL truth resides within..
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 01/21/10 11:55 AM

For over 500 years my family has maintained its course and I heard at least 500 times, while growing up, the phrase "Those that are ruled will someday rule." I never fully understood that statement until now. The missing equation was the "people".
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 01/23/10 12:36 PM

Even though I would not equate to a pimple on Handels' backside I do know a little about how fast and furious he had to go to compose his finest works. His pen could not move as fast as the notes that he was given. Likewise when two grandparents wake me up and start talking, my brain, let alone my pen has to quickly engage to keep up. My grandmother was an old order European witch, although born in the states, held fast to her heritage. My Grandfather was a born again Christian. These were my dads parents. She was a spell casting, tincture making, healer who loved people and truly wanted each individual to "find" themselves. He was a Reformed Church, tongue talking, Jesus and people loving kind soul. Even though he was of the Reformed faith he secretly loved to attend revivals and old time camp meetings. When visiting my grandparents all of us kids enjoyed the incredible energy that streamed from that home. I remember when she told me how the Great Mother spoke very gently to her after a fight that they had been in early in their marriage. She was told that this man is the best one that she would ever find and to love him completely. His God told him that there will never be a better and more "equally yoked" spouse for him. That went over like a lead balloon with the church as some condemned them both. Likewise some Wiccans condemned her for such a choice. Nevertheless they remained steadfast in their love for each other and others. I remember her African Violets. She spoke to them and touched them regularly with her hands. These plants would cover a large pie pan in width and had very large beautiful white and purple flowers unlike the puny ones that stores sell today. My Granddad grew cabbages in his garden exceeding, by far, the width of a basketball and the creamery could not explain why his cows gave far more milk than any of the other surrounding farms. Their tolerance, creativity and love is to this day remembered by some in the little Wisconsin town that they farmed by. Few were aware of my Grandmothers life as a witch. Those few condemned them both because of the duality in their lives. Poor ignorant souls !!! I asked them once if it were possible that God and The great Mom were actually one in the same and was told by them that they are two distinct forces that must accompany each other to balance life forces. My Grandpa was aware of far more than he spoke.They both knew the importance of finding the inner being and having it empowered as my Granddad would tell me in private," Jesus said that the kingdom is within and not out here in a bubble somewhere. He had to speak in parables because the tendency of people is to worship another or outside of themselves. They could not handle that for the most part except the few that really "heard". Those were the ones that he was really speaking to." Because they both pushed passed the ignorance of intolerance my grandparents were a lighthouse for humanity ane set an example for the entire family that was unequaled. They celebrated more than a half century of marriage. I miss them very much however I am very warmed and grounded by their return, brief as it is, to leave a message. When people tell me how much they have had to go through to tolerate another ideology or way of thinking, I tell them to get a grip. I remember what both of my grandparents would say, "Knock of the nonsense and just love each other!!!!!"
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 01/30/10 08:02 AM

When I was young I used to like to attend old time farm auctions. Back then much of America was rural and antiquities were not such a desired commodity in these agricultural areas as they are now. What brought me to mind of this, while watching a pawn shop show on t.v., was that a lady brought in a spindle back chair with a hole in the seat which held a granite potty "thunder mug" as we used to call them. I remember at an auction about 45 to 50 years ago an auctioneer held one of these up for auction and asked" Who will give me a quarter for this?" One old farmer raised his hand and said he will take it and his wife can put a flower in it and set it in her garden outside. My reason for mentioning this is that for many years now I have not attended such sales as life has taken much of my time in other directions. In the little community that I live in a very constrictive religious mindset prevails and a free thinker gets a little tired, at times, of walking this path alone so I recently attended a farm auction for a change from the usual raised eyebrows and infantile, behind the back, wagging tongues. There was not much happening there either and I was about ready to leave when an older lady caught my eye. She was dressed a little differently than the rest. She had someone with her and this lady also was dressed not unlike her friend. I smiled in an attempt to talk with them and at first they viewed me with caution. I learned when I was very young how to start a spiritual conversation when around supposed like minded people. If they were not of such a mindset they would not quicken to what was said and we would have just exchanged greetings and been on our separate ways. This was not one of these times. They both quickly gathered around and our conversation immediately lost all inhibition. As each of us spoke we began to loose all track of time and space and it was as if for that moment we walked far enough into the cosmos that we were no longer of this plane. What auction? I remember saying that I was "home" around them and they simply smiled at each other. It was as if I was back with family and each word spoken raised us once again to new heights and far removed form this natural time and space.We saw this natural visable as illusionary and really without a great deal of substance the more that we spoke. We were gone from here and as my family used to say were "no more". One does not have to physically die to go home. This phenomena was what I knew regularly while growing up and this latest encounter just brought it back home again. When we are "no more" the cares of the natural are over. Instead of an I or we, there is just what there is. I have known both of these women for centuries and beyond. If people could only accept each other in completeness there would only be "the great eternal" which has always been and will ever be. Peace Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 01/31/10 10:34 AM

I really loved my Uncle and Aunt but she could be an abusive old biddy at times. My older brother and I used to wrestle and down right brawl occasionally and we would upset furniture and ignite each others competitive natures almost to the point of anger. I remember my Aunt saying,"Harm none !!" I knew what she meant however due to the lack of interest in spiritual things my brother just shrugged his sholders and tried another wrestling move. This "Harm None", coming from a lady who usually carried a spirit of "Hurrah for me and to hell with you" attitude got me to thinking. A doctor friend of the family told us about an oath that he took early in his practice that contained the same language,"Harm None." I do not know if doctors even take that oath anymore? In any case I have always remained somewhat true to the law of Thelema, which states," Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law." My ancestors, for the most part, believed in a similar lifestyle. Lets examine "Harm none." Immediately it diminishes the freedom of spirit within the individual, not that we wish to harm another, its just that we have enough laws and restrictions telling us how to conduct ourselves in the world. If one would look at it purely from a psychological standpoint it provides a justification for doing just that. Laws will be broken and the more ardently they are thrust upon humans the more that they will rebel. Its human nature. Not that anyone gives a doo doo about my opinion but I am prone to the "Do as thou wilt is the whole of the law," because in that we have perfect freedom to conduct ourselves accordingly placing the full responsibility upon our shoulders for such conduct through our intent, actions, and speech. Thusly when we abuse another being, however justified we may think that we are, we better be ready for the ride of our life.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 02/04/10 08:29 AM

The goal of the "earth people" for lack of a better term, in my family, was that in finality mankind was to ascend into the knowledge of finding ones core in completeness. When we escaped the church five centuries ago, thanks to Luther and his little band of merry Lutherans who ran the intererence for us, we were like little scared deer in the woods during hunting season and I think we kind of bumped into the Great Mother while calling out to the stars for help. We found her to be hidden deeply into the background of life and seemingly very timid until we cried out to her for help. With complete surprize we found her to be a fierce ally in those times not unlike a bear with cubs. When the big boy came around to "flex his muscles" so to speak, she very successfully backed him into a corner and he lurked away rapidly. I guess we found her by accident way back then but she gave us security and gave us warnings at times such as places to avoid where our capture or persecution by the early church would have been emminent. We believed her to be tens of thousands of years old even though our family has only known her since our escape. If asked to truly identify her I must say that, while I infinitely respect all forms of religions, she is unlike the church God of Abraham, nor, in my perception, is she exactly like the more modern Wiccan Goddess. She will leave immediately with the slightest inkling of not being needed but when called upon shares complete knowledge, love, and defends her own like the waves of a roaring sea against a ship steeped in its own arrogance defining itself as "on the side of providence" and unsinkable. I am the first and probably the last in my family to ever write down what we have known as we were warned to not do that. As my wiser other half has repetedly told me to keep my yap shut and don't set myself up to be hurt but like the stars that continue to shine they do not hide their beauty and neither will I hide Her beauty as she has given me my life. I have joy in my heart and fear of death has long since left the building so what do I have to loose? Despite a helter skelter life I am complete within myself which has taken me to an eternal place and I had a little help along the way. If needed, may you also be helped. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 02/05/10 07:45 AM

Sometimes when one is on the outside of the "box" so to speak, it is difficult to innerconnect with people that subscribe to the "norm'. Our desire to reach out to people for friendship is found deep with our beings as humans. I had a friend in another part of the country for a time that was the head of a religious community and enjoyed this persons company and delighted in being able to share-across the board- differing ideas in a zone of comfort and understanding, I thought. It never ceases to amaze me how the insecurities within people can break such a good friendship but it is a way of life for some and very sad indeed. We would laugh, talk, and share. It doesn't matter how hopeful I am at keeping friendships the ability for the religious to trust another of somewhat similar or even very different views many times becomes tenuous. A seer, as well as other gifted spiritual people, we are viewed, sometimes as people that others need to keep an eye on. Can they be trusted? Watch them, they are different !!!! In any case my friend and I recently talked and I found him agreeing with and confirming things that we have talked about in the past but then out of the blue he began throwing out little "trip" words trying to get me to agree with him that were different than we had talked about originally like to see if I was "on the level". I was not accepted for me and yet I accepted him for himself. Why didn't he just have the guts to ask me about things? What is this behind the back thing? In any case I was disturbed and felt bad because he would not trust me to be a true friend. The ancestors spoke to me as I pondered this and told me not to fret as this man does not even believe the goods that he is shoveling himself nor does he truly believe in the Deity that he is supposed to be representing and is truly a broken man. He is a cool guy, I have much love for him and he is well respected by many but how many times do we destroy beautiful possibilities with negativity. Its time to build, not dismantle.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 02/07/10 11:16 PM

I always wanted a pipe organ in my home. Despite the enoromous past school loans that we have incurred and with limited income we "spoke" the instrument into being. It is tiny but as I told my other half jokingly,"Mormon Tabernacle, eat your heart out." This thing is gorgeous and I am more than thankful to have it. One day I was playing a Canon written by Tallis, not well I must say, but in spirit. I was not really into the words but the chords and chord progressions are exquisite. I always say when I really get into playing that I am taken to another place, if you will. While playing this piece I felt a little being standing right by me. I saw nothing with my natural eyes but I knew there was something there and that is might be a male energy. As I kept playing the voice of this being spoke to me and said," Tallis stole that from me." I stopped playing and asked,"What?" but he did not repeat his statement as he knew that I did hear it correctly. I did then accept at face value what was spoken and I told him emphatically and verbally that this was one of the most beautiful songs that I have ever played. All of a sudden I felt a deep hole within and a rush of tears streamed down my face as I was feeling the pain of a composer that was never recognized for composing such a fine work in his lifetime. I have to admit it, I lost it for a moment in grief but soon I recovered my composure and then instantly feeling a connection and a profound love I asked him for his name but at that moment he was gone as fast as he appeared. I asked him where he was but it was over. It took me a while to sink in, as many things do, but then I realized that he did not need any fanfare, credit, nor did he want any other praise or consideration, he just wanted someone to recognize his beautiful song, its true composer and to share its beauty with another soul. He was now gone forever but was satisfied and hopefully peaceful now after all these hundreds of years. He had been waiting for all of this time to share and I feel so incredibly honored that he appeared to me. I have seen that Twin Towers spirits are knocking on peoples doors and we need to open the flood gates. There are many on the other side who need to talk and many on this side who need to listen and there is a multitude of messages to be delivered both ways.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 03/04/10 08:34 AM

Our country is at a threshold. My cousin Julie was a powerful leader and seer in our family. She could see the events unfolding back then as they are doing today. She said that a patriarchal religion would one day try to take over the world. This religion would be a friend to all in its appearance at the beginning but then when it is challenged it would do whatever it has to to try to control and destroy its enemy. That enemy it the freedom of the individual to think on their own without fear of retribution. What is the easiest way for a nation to be conquered? To confiscate its money system. A leader of one large religion has stated recently that its organization is dying in the West. A great deal of money is about to be extracted from our culture from a few high ranking officials in our country. These individuals are under the spell of this organization and if this event takes place this organization will be in total control of us as well as the rest of the world. Look at the debts and the lawsuits that it has recently incurred. It cares nothing about us in finality, besides we have left the deity that it represents, according to its leader, and need to be brought to our knees in order to come back to its deity. We have been taught to follow the leader in this country. We will sacrifice our freedom to get the rent paid. We will trade our soul so that we have food and/or shelter. In those circumstances we may have to loose all that we have to see just how valuable that freedom is. A very high ranking official, a woman and a man have every intention of destributing blindly a significant amount of money that is our country's strength, to this organization, or at least look the other way as it extracts its hundreds of billions. How long are we going to sleep? One could say, "How could such a wonderful organization do such a thing?" Sleep on beautiful dreamer !!!! What is the soul intent purpose of this organization? What has it always been? Free thinkers are not allowed !!!! Why do you think that the push to confiscate all of our money in this country is so pressing despite the will of the people? They have used Health care as a cover phrase.Either we are the most unaware people on the face of the earth or we are just beginning to enter the true Age of Enlightment. The choice is ours !!!!
Posted By: Alicia Jacqueline S

Re: The Goddess - 03/04/10 01:39 PM

I prefer to think of God in feminine terms - as The Goddess. Though whatever God/Goddess really is, I'm sure He/She is great and profound enough to have aspects of both genders. BTW, the best book I have ever read on this general topic is The Once &amp; Future Goddess, by Elinor W. Gadon (HarperSanFrancisco, 1989). The book chronicles goddess-centered beliefs from ancient to modern times. According to the book, the purest goddess-based culture ever was in Minoan Crete, from 3000 BC to 1500 BC. Gadon writes, &quot;The whole life [in Minoan Crete] was pervaded by an ardent faith in the Goddess, which reflected and reinforced a woman-centered society... The Cretans saw the supreme divine power in terms of the feminine principle, and incarnate in a woman whom they portrayed exactly like one of themselves... comfortable with her beauty, her body, and her power.&quot; Must have been an amazing time and place for a woman to be alive! *AJ*
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 03/04/10 02:15 PM

Excellent post Alicia-Jacqueline !! In fact the Great Mother or Mother Goddess was known 20 to 30 thousand years ago. Stone carvings and other remnants of that age that people had made with her likeness have been found all through the world.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 03/14/10 07:15 AM

Hold fast !!!! Do not give up, do not give in, do not go away. If the earth and its inhabitance are in your heart, stand firm. Those that are against you cannot see the little bump in the road ahead. Be still.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 03/19/10 02:23 PM

Because we did not understand we have made the thief sovereign. She will, however, pull him down by his vestments and he will not survive. Those who are ruled will one day rule. It is done.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 03/20/10 10:49 AM

From what I understand very gifted writers are awakened sometimes at night with new thoughts for the continuation of a book. I am by no means a gifted writer. I guess I can equate it to my knowledge of Christianity as I haven't been to church in decades so I am no authority on the subject but this a.m. an old hymn from church years ago keeps knocking at my door. It was composed by a man who was in objection to a circumstance that he was opposed to from deep within his soul. Some of the words go like this: "New occasions teach new duties, time makes ancient good uncouth, we would always still and onward who would keep abreast of truth." It goes on: "Though the cause of evil prosper yet tis truth alone is strong. Truth forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne. Yet the scaffold sways the future and beyond the dim unknown, standeth God within the shadow keeping watch over all his own." I guess the key words that the song writer was trying to get across was that at times the status quo looks appealing but the truth, behind the facade of deception is far superior and will last forever.
Posted By: JOY (Self Development)

Re: The Goddess - 03/20/10 06:42 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
From what I understand very gifted writers are awakened sometimes at night with new thoughts for the continuation of a book...
Hi ancientflaxman, I was intrigued to read your first sentence. In fact it's not only "very gifted writers" who have new (and extremely creative) thoughts in the night but everyone - except they don't realise it!

If you keep a little notebook by your bed so that when you wake in the night you can immediately write down what's in your head, in the morning you'll be quite surprised at what you wrote. It could be the start of a poem, the solution to a longstanding problem, a vision of how best to tackle a future issue, etc. (See Keep Your Mind Clear with a Notebook)

Going back to Goddesses, I know that in India say, women who have tapped into this ability of letting your sub-conscious mind work on 'problems' whilst you sleep, are often perceived as modern-day Goddesses. JOY
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 03/26/10 01:40 PM

I know that a few of my following statements will not be popular with some of the readers here but I will have to say that for the first time in my life I must say that I am ashamed of being of the male gender in these days. It's not that I don't like to drink a beer, watch a game, have some good sex, or share in activities that other guys do, its just that as I look around I see that its the men in general are the ones that scam others in business, politics, or religion. Look at the ponzi scheme business, the owner of one of the most crooked car dealerships in Minnesota who took billions from others. The men that have scammed billions from investors in real estate frauds, our leaders in politics, etc. etc. etc. Look at the leaders in religion that have hurt our children. Even some of the very high ranking women in politics have more testosterone that many of the former male heavyweight fighters known. Traits that are usually the strengths in women , faith, love, genuine concern for what is right, and tolerance are no more akin to some in this gender and seemingly have taken on the deceptiveness and control freekiness of their male counterparts.They have all been such fine examples of nobility and fortrightness haven't they!!! Many men reading this will think of me as a sissy or something for saying these things but it is like I give a krap what they think. I know who I am. If they have any kind of a consciousness they would see just what they are a part of. I have never been more happy to recognize my belief in the Great Mother and to see and understand her part standing against this load of bushwah we have been delivered these days. She makes me proud to be a man, especially one of tenderness, love, and compassion. She makes me know that to hurt, abuse, or scam others is not acceptable and that there are genuine consequences if such a trust is breached. On the counterpart when we are hurt by others and have done nothing to deserve it, or been abused, and ask for her help, she can deliver a blow to the offender that will not easily be recovered from. When many men, especially those in high places, can get over their ego centered destructive selfish views fueled by their insecurities and women can stand up and say this is not going to continue, we might have a chance of surviving this thing called life. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 04/16/10 12:46 PM

My family has for centuries promoted the fact that finding ones true self is the cornerstone of true peace within and without. A fact that never has ceased to amaze us is mans inhumanity to man. My other half and I are healers and we regularly see people with some very hideous problems that they themselves and/or others have created for them. Never before would any of us have spoken in such a public manner about such things but it is time for people to see and remove this cruelty. Sadly the greatest offender is one institution in our culture that has used such cruelty, delivered by its henchmen, to "punish or keep offenders in line and subdue its enemies." One such method is to psychically cause incredible physical pain in the knee through whatever means and then in the twilight sleep of the victim the knee is wrenched back which will cause the victim to cry out in utter pain. Another is the psychic "fish-hook" in the eye which eventually causes physical blindness. This can be healed through spiritual means or sometimes cararact surgery. If we don't believe that individuals have the power to inflict such hideous wickedness to each other please come to our healing center and observe. It is quite an eye opener. These things have got to stop. Despite what the perpetrators would have us believe, not one of these things have anything to do with God, Jesus, The Blessed Mother, or the Great Mother. It is just mans way of controlling another person through torture and intimidation. There are some readers that know exactly of which I speak. A little known fact however that few think of is that these offences can be reversed,affecting the perpetrator and can be made a permanent situation. People don't understand, if one can dish it out, one had better be able to take it or as my Granddad would say,: If you're gonna dance you're gonna pay the fiddler." We as healers have no part of such retaliation as our purpose it to heal but the people need to know about the severity of such actions. The leader of this institution, that I speak of, has just recently called for "penance". The way I look at it, as prompted by 500 years of familial observation; "Don't believe it for a minute." I think that we have a little house cleaning to do. Those that are ruled will one day rule. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 06/01/10 12:08 PM

With your hand on the Bible do you swear that the testimony you give is the truth so help you God? Yes, I will tell the truth, but which God are you speaking of? Is it the Sun God, is it the God of Abraham, is it Allah, is it the Mother Goddess, is it the Great Buddha, or is it one of convenience that we enlist whenever we need to cause fear or put a silent hush upon a large crowd of people so that just His mere mention causes fear and dread? Which one is it that you want me to swear to? Now one could say, "Oh you know which one we mean!!" Then one could beg the question, "So if I call what I believe in, different from God, will you now attack me with His wrath for my conversion, will you force me to say with my mouth that I do not believe as you do thusly making me an enemy of the rest of you. That will simply prove that this deity that you insist that I believe in is nothing more than a pompous little prig and you are nothing more than blood thursty abusive barbarians demanding your own way having no consience of a true God that wishes to bridge a much needed gulf between all people. If you would ask me now what I believe in It might surprize you but if one thinks that just by the mention of the word that a hush will fall upon my being and I had better conform or I will incurr wrath because of it then go peddle your wears down the road because I live supposedly in a free country and do have the freedom of religion or for that matter the freedom from religion. The prophets of old in more than one religion said that one day people would kill each other thinking that they are doing a service to God. When we draw our last breath, will all of our waring carry us through, will all of our hating sustain us, will all of our demanding give us the peace we need to move on into the next world, will all of our fear provide us with ease at that moment? Might it be slightly easier for us to believe, at transition time, that we have accepted each other despite our differing personalities? That I love you unconditionally even if you don't love me the same. Could we not even say" I would walk through fire or go to hell and back with you if you want? Could we not say that I will lay down my sword forever to embrace you in love because I so desperately need it also? What good is my life it you suffer and I am oblivious? In the german church that my wife attended as a youth the song that they sang at the end of each service was,"Let their be peace on earth and let it begin with me." They each held hands so that it made a web of connection throughout the whole congregation. They were farmers, shop keepers, waiters and waitresses, gas pumps, many of them with little more than the clothes that we wore but they had something that will never be broken, not even the end of time. Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 06/15/10 08:50 AM

He says that he is my friend and is a friend to all. He has stolen from me and now he begs for forgiveness while he continues to steal from me until I have no money left. Those who could speak out say nothing because of guilt which is the legacy that he has given us by association.
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 06/20/10 03:37 PM

There was once a king who ruled over a very large land. In this land was a town that favored the king. There was another town of smaller size with a tiny group of people who knew the kings heart. All such knowledge was very dangerous to the king and he wanted it removed. He employed conjurers to form a storm to be sent to destroy the little town. The tiny group of people in the little town were forwarned of the kings plan and they cried out to higher forces for help and this source heard their cries. These few had never hurt another being and were desirous of the betterment of all nature and inhabitance in the land. The Source instead sent the storm to the kings prized city of which lives were taken and much property was destroyed. The kings spiritual security was now in question as the forces that he once relied upon were now no longer available nor did his wealth continue to give him any comfort. Mamma bear is much smaller in stature that Pop and is not as easily recognized because of stature and the fact that she will keep herself and the cubs hidden from trouble but when challanged she is deadly no matter what his size or ill intention. Rember in school the story about the Emperors New Clothes? I guess the story could have been entitled" The Emperors No Clothes." Blessed Be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/10 09:06 AM

From the time I was a rug rat I heard my family say,"Its all about give and take." I guess we've all heard that statement many times while growing up but I didn't realize the deeper meaning of it until I was a little more advanced in age. In dealing with, say, a child, it is necessary, in order to change a behavior one must provide a choice or a positive option to complete the change. One can not dicipline, cause fear, pain, or try to beat an unwanted behavior out of them. That will be enough to artificially change some kids but the psychological ramifications will be far less than productive. Let me speculate for a moment. We'll say that we were able to enter the dream state of the child that we wish to help. Now I am not saying that such a thing is possible but lets just talk crazy for a moment. In such a dream I could go to Jimmy or Kathy and tell either that I have two really big boxes, We'll say that one is the Give box but the other is the WOW box which is the Take box. Now you know Jimmy that this particular behavior that you demonstrate causes you trouble. It's really O.K. to be that way and I don"t have a problem with it but look at the trouble that it causes you!! Alright now lets take that behavior and put the whole thing into the give Box. Lets observe, however, to see that he does this. Now lets go right over to this beautiful Take box and you can have anything in there that you want. Look in there and see that big shiny green ball of love. Or look here at this red fire engine that says PROTECTION right on the side of it, and oh look at that beautiful doll that has the ring on its chest and if you pull it it says,"I will be with you always cuz you are my friend." You just take anything that you wish out of this box and you can keep it forever.. What about the child that is sick? Maybe they could put that bad old cancer in the give box and take out of the Take box a beautiful flower that is just about to bloom or maybe a Mr. Doctor doll that carries a little bag that contains all the tools to heal any thing unwanted. The child can hold this doll and it will never leave. Maybe this is kind of simple sounding but maybe the focus is more on my NEW thing and it might make it easier to let the old hurtful thing go. What a crazy thought huh?? I have always wondered if that might work on an adult???? Just brainstorming. Blessed be
Posted By: Anonymous

Re: The Goddess - 07/06/10 05:23 PM

Since I have already upset some readers on this site I may go for broke and discuss a topic that many would rather avoid. The vast difference between earth people and our puritanical religious culture is that we "earth" people do not carry the stigma of viewing sex and sensuality as taboo. Look at how many men in this country alone must have medication to engage in a normal relationships with their wives. I have heard appx. 30 to 40 percent. Many blame it on diabetes or high blood preassure or other numeous things. Baloney. Give a guy enough motivation coupled with a scense of normal lusty masculinity without hinderance, the genuine respect he must have for the female gender, and the job will get done. Likewise women that respect a caring fulfilled man for his masculinity will have a likewise result. Today with so many problems in our culture coupled with the fear of harm or abuse we seem to have somewhat lost our natural desires as they should be. When many of us were young we went through a period of time when our hormones raged which is very normal. I can not speak for the girls but we (earth) young men would, of course not in public, feel each others muscles and likewise in return as a form of what they would now call male bonding. The energy was so freeing and created a powerful respect and masculinity. We experienced what we needed to become men. I remember a few of the (earth) girls telling me that they did the same with sleep overs except that they would hold each other and sometimes kiss just to practice as if they found their lifetime male companion. In todays overtly homophobic culture we all would have been branded as fags and probably stoned also likewise back then. We, however, both boys and girls eventually married, lived relatively happy lives usually having many offspring. We knew who we were and what we were about. We never questioned if we were normal or not, we knew that we were. Then we looked at the guys outside of the sphere of the "earth" lifestyle and saw abnormal competition. I am not speaking of sports here as many of us excelled in such, I am speaking as to how they treated each other in a competitive spirit that tended to dominate each other until they just Might be accepted into the "good ole boy club." How they suffered in their ego and pretend masculanity. We earth guys would hold each other even at length when comforting each other in a loss and even kissed each other on the cheek as a sign of deep tenderness. In no way will I ever be sorry for experiencing and receiving such profound energy exchanges. Why are so many sick in our culture? We are sick in our spirit. We have distanced ourselves from each other even to the point that people need to form a comfort space or zone reserved for the few in that circle. What a crock!!! I will hold a fellow at length and show him the deepest part of my energy field even though the most intimite of sensuality and sexuality I will reserve for my other half. Many women already have the handle on that one. Why do we guys trail so far behind in experiencing life. Well, I said it despite what comes. We can hate it right up front or we can use a little sense that God/Goddess gave us and learn! Love is not just a religious concept, it is sharing the deepest part of our being on a level that allows no-one to be less than hopeful and fulfilled. Incidentally guys with ED, this is no endorsement, perscription, or promise, but try an abundance of watermelon for a few days. Who knows???? Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientcelticwoman

Re: The Goddess - 07/12/10 05:16 PM

ancientflaxman is semi retiring, actually he is having fun and goofing off. If friends would like he is on facebook - ancientflaxman. You guys are all cool and we love you, Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientcelticwoman

Re: The Goddess - 08/14/10 12:14 PM

Ancientflaxman woke up this A.M. laughing and I asked him what his goofy laugh was all about. He asked why we couldn't put a temple to Our Great Mother on the site of ground zero. After all, in his words," That is where all of our butts came from originally." Or he said," Maybe we could build a temple to Jesus Christ and truly honor him in a way that would bind people together in acceptance and love unlike the current mode of man." Now, How religiously tolerant are you Mr. Obama????
Posted By: ancientcelticwoman

Re: The Goddess - 09/11/10 07:31 AM

From an ancient one," Stand silent, yet stand and do not give up for there is an escape and the days of evil will come to an end." Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/12/10 07:06 PM

Then 1000 years of peace will be for us all.
Posted By: ancientcelticwoman

Re: The Goddess - 09/15/10 09:08 PM

We have a foot in each world, yet, as we speak, our hearts are going home to come back no more. Lesser thought is as labor pain and acts as a propellent to find eternity. In finality, what happens on the earth is of little consequence.In the real world of the spirit there is no time and space, not a I or a Me or a You or what is visible to our natural eyes. Our life comes from the invisible not the visible. What is visible is created, and what is created will have an end. What is invisible is eternal and as we remember who we truly are it is our only reality. The natural mind of man can not tolerate such thinking. Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/04/10 05:20 PM

Your dinner plate has served you well and for many years. It has, however, been broken. Nobody may be at fault or maybe someone is but the fact remains that it is still broken. It can not be mended as that would be unsanitary and could cause the one that it served much sickness down the road. It must be discarded. No matter how much we loved it we can no longer use it. We can obstinately refuse to discard it and put it up on the shelf to give us comfort in its viewing but the fact still remains that it can never be used again. We must let it go!!! James Russell Lowell said it like this; &quot;Though the cause of evil prosper, yet tis truth alone is strong. Truth forever on the scaffold, wrong forever on the throne. Yet the scaffold sways the future.&quot; he continues,&quot; New occasions teach new duties, time makes ancient good uncouth. We would always still and onward, who would keep abreast of truth.&quot;
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/05/10 07:17 PM

Please allow me to paint a picture: &quot;Welcome to the Harryette Porter School of the Great Mother. I am your instructor Professor Drummelsticks. Our school is getting in session just after a supposed great battle was won in our land. One side seemed to be supressing our freedoms while the other claimed that they were behind the people and now the people have won!! How perfect is that.&quot; Many began to clap their hands in joy.&quot; Now the economy will open up, jobs will come back, families can now relax, and we can all partaaaay. I brought treats and we can talk at length about our victories. Most all of you have obtained great comfort from the past current events. O.K. lets talk for a while and then we will end the class. As we are leaving, however, just let me leave you with a little something; &quot;From this day forward I, professor Drummelsticks, am no longer responsible for you or where you are at spiritually as you all seem to be quite confident that you are on the right track now. Good bye everyone and thank you for coming!!!&quot; The entire classroom began to leave except for a few. Those few huddled in the back for a moment and then went back to their seats. The majority of the other students left and then the door was shut. &quot;Why are you still here?&quot;, The Professor asked. The spokesman for the little band of inquirers said,&quot; This is not the end of the class is it?: The professor replied, &quot;No, its just the beginning. This is the real session and you are the teachable ones so our work is cut out for us. First of all your spiritual welfare is my deepest concern. In reality our leaders that we thought were supressing us are no different than the ones that said that they were behind the people. If you monkey with any of their religions or pocketbooks you will awaken the serpent within. You must learn to stand on your own. I speak this to you and you must all ponder this mode of thinking as you may need it one day to survive. If the world cracks in half, if my family or friends never speak to me again, and if I am rejected by all of the conventional thinking that I was a part of for so long, I will still be just fine and live well. The Cosmos in unrelenting in having us be self empowered. Those that wish to control us want the &quot;communal oneness&quot; thing giving no thought to self, just the group. Those that are free in thought can navigate through life and can live in completeness.If everybody took care of themselves we would not need to impringe on anothers rights or try to control another. Now for the Christians in the class, try to remember when the diciples told Jesus about all of the wonderous things that they beheld with their natural eyes and how beautiful the surroundings were. I could just see him shaking his head while telling them that the kingdom was found in the temples, right? &quot;Within!!!!!,&quot; they clamored. Ah, you are listening!! Jesus knew more than what he was saying but he also respected what they could and could not handle hearing in those days. Thusly he spoke in parables. He was not quite as simple as some would have us believe today. Now class, when an official says to you that you must conform to make the whole thing work better for them you can tell them that you will live according to your own dictates. If they still insist that you conform to their dictates then our teachers here at the Harryette Porter school of the Great Mother can give you a few mind changing techniques that will work on even the most difficult of beings. We can trust those thing around us for comfort but the cosmos will return lesson after lesson until we learn how to stand on our own and from what is within. All things and people around you will let you down in one way or the other but you are your own best friend and you can count on you forever. Don't take my word for it though, go out and trust whatever you wish. That is why so many people on this planet suffer so incredibly. Trust that substance that is within you and you will learn an eternal balance that is unaffected even by death. Go now in the real peace that is beyond understanding.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/13/10 08:41 AM

An aquaintance of mine has recently told me to invest in a precious metal because our money is not going to be worth much in the future. As Church lady would say on Saturday Night Live,&quot;Isn't that special!&quot; I am truly not making fun of his advice as it would seem but what else can we invest in that will make everything &quot;alright&quot; no matter what circumstance comes our way. Softer metals, harder metals, fine art, antiques, cheap cheap real estate or whatever??? A good friend, a German lady told our family years ago about her life in wartime Germany. She had bucks, actually Deutschmarks they were. She had house and land paid for, fine furniture, jewelry, and other things that many other people only dreamed of. She was not overly-wealthy but had plenty to last her for the duration of her life. Then came WW2. She gathered as much money as she could and hid it around her house in grocery bags. That same type of scenario seems to be in action today. Soon food was scarce because of shortages and many people for the first time knew the pangs of hunger. She ran out of food and went to the store but she soon found out that she could not even trade a bag of money for bread. She took several full bags of Deutschmarks and still could not trade any amount of her money for a loaf of bread. There was no bread. She could not even trade her jewelry or her fine furnishings for food. She just had to go hungry until she set her fear aside, went deep within her inner being, and used that resourse to locate a situation that gave her some kind of nourishment. What if you could not even trade five pounds of gold for a box of cereal??? It did no good for her to store away or hide food as hungry people could break in and steal it in such desperation. In such times those beings that have the ability to go within and act instead of reacting to the environment will survive. Those that count on what they have within may be the ones that can survive when all else comes apart. Pretend that I am, just even for a moment, Professor Drummelsticks. We have to learn to stand up and rely on what is within to make it. I have had people tell me that I am so negative as such a thing cannot happen in the USA. I sincerely hope that they are vastly superior in their Seeing capacity than I am. I would be delighted if they were right on and I could be viewed as the most pessimistic frump on the planet. I would be remiss however to say nothing to ones that I truly cared about. However one believes is up to them but I do know that the most neglected of beings, due to the fact that many have seldom needed to use it, is our ability to solely count on the being within. I still insist that it is the most powerful force in the cosmos and history has proven this time and time again but as I told you in the first class,&quot;Trust whatever you wish. I can not make another being see anything, that is up to each person and until one is ready to see they are incapable of doing so. Everything around me can and does change but if I can view clearly what is within me and know honestly and can accept openly what is there, I no longer have fear and I become eternal. One could say that &quot;this is too difficult to do&quot; or&quot; I don't know if I am that strong&quot; or that &quot;this scares me.&quot; No one understands these fears better than the ones that have had to do this nor has more compassion than those in that circumstance yet don't ever forget the possibility that such a thing might just become an inevitability for survival.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/21/10 12:34 PM

My other half and I owned a little antique shop at one time. We didn't make much money but we met a lot of very nice and interesting people. I probably in real life should have been a bartender as I guess I have that kind of a face that implores one to unload a life history upon. Maybe I would have made more money tending bar than selling antiques but thats another story. After rummaging through an old barn and returning to the shop one day with my bounty of semi worthless primitives I encountered a very well dressed man who needed to talk. He was a doctor and owned several clinics, I believe he said a total of five. I guess I was his sounding board. For some reason our topic of conversation affixed quickly on the subject of a group of people called survivalists. He knew that he would probably never see me again as he lived in a city quite far from our town coupled with the fact that I was not of his social standing. Anyway he told me that he had money invested and hidden abroad. Even at that time people began to mistrust the system and so did he. I told him that if my way of life is threatened all I have to count on is what is within me. He looked at me intently and said that if there is even the slightest hint of trouble in the USA that he will immediately board his plane and fly to a safe haven. For a moment I was kinda jealous because all I had to hide under was my questionably valuable antiques. He was not haughty nor unkind and very concerned for his way of life. He was also very real and I am drawn to very real people. I shook his hand and truly wished him luck as he left. Then it hit me; He is dependent upon gas for his flight. He is dependent upon making maybe few but necessary arrangements to leave the country. His family must all be in close proximity at all times just in case they must leave immediately. Will there be food where he is going? Lots of entanglements and all must be coordinated to work out smoothly, Another guy I knew said that he is building a vault in the basement if his home. Just above the vault are safe doors that go from the bedrooms to the vault so just in case, say, in the middle of the night there is real trouble in our country his family can all go through their safe doors to the interior of the vault and lock all of the doors so that they will be protected. In there they have a well stocked supply of food, water, and all the comforts of home to last for the duration. I was told a very long time ago that fear was part of the former self. Its kinda like Uncle Bob who is a pain in the backside. One can not fight Uncle Bob or demand him to go away. He is just there so the secret to not having him affect you adversely is to make friends with him and have him now work and watch out for you. I digress. I fealt very sorry for both of these very earnest and honest men who wanted safety from danger but the only kind of real protection that they needed was to know that they were secure within themselves. Remember in the old and beautiful movie &quot;Friendly Persuasion&quot; when Gary Cooper and his wife were backed into a wall of fear but stood boldly and said,&quot;Come flood, fire, or even the possibility of death we will stand and face what comes.&quot; We search everywhere for external strength and neglect the most powerful force in the cosmos, within. I will not live in a hole somewhere in Wyoming nor in a vault in my basement, nor be whisked away in my Lear. Many many times in my life I have been Chicken Chow Mein but when seriously backed into a corner I will stand up as best as I can, holding the ones that I love close and face the music unafraid from what I have within. Its all that I have but it is good enough! This is not about me.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/21/10 08:39 PM

Very interesting thought process, Dave. I am with you on this. If one had a "safe hole" to go to and wait out a catastrophe, what would they do when they came out and all that they knew was gone, including available food and other necessary items and the people they once knew?

I take one day at a time and hold dear what is within me. For me, survival is my spirituality and the love I share with family and friends -- those are what stay with me even if I were to die standing up to any danger. What I hold dear will go on with my spirit.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/21/10 10:09 PM

Exactly!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you Phyllis
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/24/10 08:44 PM

I will try not to bore the readers with a little story about myself and ask that you have patience with me in its deliverance. I believe that in actuality it has more to do with many others than my own tiny situation. I am half old order witch and half Christian. I would not, however, trade situations with another person on the face of this earth despite sometimes deep misunderstandings and criticism. When I was a little guy my most fervent wish was to be an organist in one of the great cathredals in Europe. I used to watch Virgil Fox and E.Power Biggs play the pipe organ on tapes and the dexterity and incredible mastery of the manuals and pedals inspired me beyond the senses. I took 3 years of piano with 2 masters of the keyboard and one year of pipe organ with a very well known teacher who could improv on most any composition. My future was set. Juilliard was my dream.Coming from a family of two opposite viewpoints in lifestyles and their mutual acceptance for each other inspired several of us in our family to excell to creative perfection, even if I don't know the exact meaning of the word perfect. My Grandma was a church organist at times as well as my Mom who would pinch hit at the organ at the church. Even though our viewpoints about life were dissimilar as she was terrified of hell, manufactured by Christian &quot;authorities&quot; when she was quite young, she was gifted beyond even her understanding. At birthday parties when she would be asked to play even just a simple ditty- Happy Birthday she would refuse so I would play and believe me that was a simple ditty!!! Finally after about a thousand birthday parties and upon her refusal to play I told her to get her butt over to the piano and play. She complied and her improv of it amazed everyone there. One day when she thought I was outside I heard her play a piece that to me was virtually impossible for me to play and I would cuss at the composition and its composer and yet push through the difficult measures with my bull headed determination, unsuccessful as it was. I came in and she became somehow intimidated and quit playing. I told her that I knew her game and I grabbed the most difficult piece of music that I knew out of the old music bench and threw it on the piano music rack. I said,&quot;Now Play.&quot; She began and when she got to the end of that first page I forgot to turn it yet by the time I had done so she had already played perfectly into the first three or so measures of the next page. &quot;Youre a fraud Mom.&quot; You make me mad!!!!&quot; and I stormed Off. I was a bit cruel at times in my youth but the next time she was asked to play at whatever occasion she was Jonny on the spot. I digress. One day while takng a bus to a neighboring town to visit I spotted my organ teacher boarding the bus and signalled for him to come back and sit with me. Cool, I have someone to talk to on my way to my destination. I can say this now because he has been gone for years. He put his hand on my leg as we were talking and his hand began to work its way up. I pushed his hand away and became terrified of what had happened and even at the time I did not know how deeply that it affected me. I was so afraid that I think I kinda shut it out of my mind and immediately quit talking to him. I remember thinking to myself,&quot; If this is what the organ world is about or being an organist is I am done with it.&quot; I quit all lessons and just blocked my memories. In later years I would attend usual church activities such as funerals or going with an insistant relative or whatever. When I heard a skilled organist play at such an event I would almost well up with tears but then shortly after I would become really sick inside and depressed. My wife and I have been married for 43 years and it was only after the majority of them had passed that I confessed what had happened to me as a youth. I was terrified to confide in her kinda like what I am right now writing this. After I told her, a little internal bubble burst and I wondered at that point why I was so secretive about telling her until now. She just hugged me which I needed. Again, this is truly not just about me! I am now 63 and sometimes when I see and hear Diane Bish or Marie Clair Allain play I hurt as well as enjoy the beauty of such artistry. Now, getting to the point; I live in a small town and a way of life has been carved out for most everyone here. This way of life for some sucks. How many of these old farm people here have just wanted to be writers, composers, authors, ballerinas, or aspire to heights of spiritual stimulation unequalled. I, despite the fact that some find me quite odd or different or just down right scary, have talked with a few here about just that. I see an inwardly beautiful old lady that is wrinkled, tired, and despit the fact that she has friends and family all around her, will die with dreams unrealized. I see an old farmer that was given his dads farm and he was very successful. All looks well and all accept his GREAT life. He will somehow come down into my studio on some other mission but I will engage him in a conversation about himself. I will get past the good crops and weather &quot;bull&quot; conversation and will find out that all he reallly wanted to do was write poetry as he did in high school. His smile at that point would warm the room. Another lady from a close-by town told me that she wanted to dance. She could think of nothing else in her earlier years than to do so. When she was telling me this I wanted to stand the old gal up and dance with her but then that would confirm everybodys suspicions that I was out of my tree. She would watch Margot Fontaine do her Grande or Demmi pleae, forgive the spelling&quot;. and be inspired to no end. Now lets truly digress. She had kids to dress and cook for, 500 laying hens to care for, rocks to pick, H Farmall to drive, milk cans to move about, and then fall into bed at night exhausted.She has it all!!!!?????? Let us as human beings in whatever walk of life we come from stop judging each other as if we knew a damn thing about life and just know that each individual is an &quot;institution&quot;. as my Moms Dad used to say. Each one has many compartments and the depth of each compartment is vast and complex and infinately more important than a life of luxury and comfort with unfulfillment. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/24/10 09:01 PM

Thank you, Dave, for sharing such beauty with us. A little while ago I was sitting out on my patio, all bundled up because it is so cold out today. Yesterday I put up a bamboo shade to help keep the snow off my patio. I love to sit out there and watch my little mountain, the critters, the hawks, the sky, while I sip hot coffee or tea. I was afraid that because of the bamboo shade I would not be able to see my little mountain. I was surprised and very happy that by not focusing on the bamboo shade, I could still see my mountain and the critters and everything quite clearly.

I thought to myself that there is a message here with this bamboo shade/screening, but could not yet figure it out. I came inside, sat down and came to the forums here. The first thing I saw was your post. I read it through and the message of my bamboo screen came through loud and clear. When looking at people, one can if they choose, look beyond the screen to see what is really there.

Thank you. I think it is awesome that you have the ability and desire to "look beyond". We should all do that.

Have a wonderful day. Blessed Be.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/24/10 09:16 PM

Thank you Phyllis, you are a good pal. These things are within all of us and my frevent wish before I leave here is for us, as a people, to ascend into a world of connectivity. When you hurt so do I. When you are incomplete, so am I. Now, how can we change this???? It is so very possible!!!!
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/25/10 01:22 AM

Dave, one thing we as a people need in order to connect is compassion. Without compassion it is difficult to feel what others feel or need. Respect and love for all Creation is so important. Striving to live in Harmony, Peace, and Balance with all Creation helps us immensely on our spiritual path. If we all are striving for the same thing then it becomes easier to connect. The spiritual paths we choose to get to where we need/desire to be may be different, but the same goal/intent is there. There are different faiths in my family, yet we all respect and help each other in times of need. We realize that each one of us is seeking the same thing in our own way, wholeness and spiritual peace.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/25/10 01:41 AM

Without a doubt Phyllis!!! The current energy upon the earth is birthing us into a realm of enlightenment that will one day and yet very soon pale this experience that we call life on earth. If we can see it, it has already happened. We have gone home and we don't have to come back!!!!!! No more pain, sorrow, sickness, or doubt or any of the rest of that. We will yet experience pain, sorrow, sickness, or doubt while in this life but is all swallowed up in this experience. Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/27/10 10:09 AM

St. Peter Kanis (Canisius), the second apostle of Germany, and refered to as the doctor of the church was a distant yet very connected relative of mine. Dad used to have our coat of arms on the wall at home with a crude pic of good ole St. Pete on the same wall. I was never into all of the pomp and circumstance of what dad called our family lineage. My dad was a staunch Dutchman so us kids would tease him at times to see if that sterness could crack wih a smile or at least lighten up or just Chill Out.&quot;. I used to tell him after he was done reminding us, at length, of where we came from,&quot; Ya, but we have come a long way since then pop.&quot; He'd wrinkle up his nose and put the bead on me as I would burst his pompous bubble. My reason for mentioning this is that his Mom was of earth religion yet attended church with Grandpa. When I was young Dad saw that Her influence upon me had already taken form and was terrified of the possibility of one of his kids not being wholy churched. He actually tried to beat it out of me at one point. I haven't got a clue how I made it out of there with a shread of sanity but by the help of the Great Mother and his parents I survived. I thought to myself that this can not be the plan of God. I do know a God of love, gentleness, and tenderness. When I thought of Jesus I was reminded of a tender life giving soul and then I thought of the incredible Hymns of the church and their timeless message of hope. Some in the family knew Dutch and some knew German of which I was more akin to. I still have my little psalm book written in a language that I still think in as much as I do English at times. Hymns like, &quot;Wer nur den lieben Gott lasst wallten and Herzlich lieb hab ich dich O herr,&quot; spoke of love not fear, in fact the last verse of the second song, literally translated means,&quot;And I will praise Him without end.&quot; Where is the fear in that?&quot; How can you truly love and praise someone if you fear them. I never knew a fear of God, just mans manufactured god of which there was no end to fear. My parents were so afraid of making a mistake in life and that God would punish them. I have never known a god like that and I don't want to. My Uncle Walt carried his King James Bible with him every Sunday. He knew that it was written by man and had been tampered with but he could decipher from it what he needed. He told me once that those that scare people into believing into God by threats of hell will one day come to an end on this earth. He was also the kind of guy that would say that if people want to stay in ignorance of a real true source of power and endless love then they need to stay in stupid land. He would also say &quot; I will believe in the source of life without fear of divine wrath or just lay me down six feet under and cover up my head with sod.&quot; He had guts and he was right!!! A true mother, not being intimidated by another being, will nurture her kids away from fear and guilt so that they can soar to endless successes and fulfillment. Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/29/10 07:31 PM

Fear of any deity is the beginning of bondage. I do not break the law because of the fear of it. I do not break the law because it will have an ill effect upon others or myself. I am no longer a child who needs fear of punishment to direct my life. How immature am I? Lets think about something in depth. Why would fear be infused with religion and why has it been so for hundreds of years. Why do you think that my family wised up and even risked death in leaving the status quo?? Bosch and Bruegel were commissioned to paint hideous pictures that depicted hell. These images were designed to keep the little ignorant peasant people in line centuries ago. We are no longer little ignorant peasant people. With all of the threats that we have around us and such a problem with terrorism,, do we also need a deity that we must fear who is supposed to be our friend.??? I rely upon me but I have many friends who hold tightly to their source and I totally support them also.There are deeply ingrained motives set forth by man to keep the masses in fear. It has nothing to do with true religion or spirituality. If we believe in it ,then it has power. When we no longer believe in mans delusion it spins off and we have opened another door to truth. I have a relative that I love very much and I debate spirituality and religion with her. She loves me also but she insists that I don't know Him because I also embrace the great Mother and have no fear of the God of Abraham. She won't let me go and keeps praying for me to see the &quot;error&quot; of my ways. She always greets me with a smile and a hug and I am so proud of her for her devotion and love. The real truth of it is that I know who I am, and despite the fact that many times I am Chicken Chow Mein, as I said previously, fear is gone especially of death. She has mounting family problems, constant fear, low self image, and her husband and her deity will rule her in fear until the end of her life. She is so afraid of my facing hell some day but she is living it right now. What kind of an example is that, or as Christians would say, What kind of a witness is that? There is no light there. The HS and the GM beckon with tenderness, patience, and love. Man wants to control by whatever means necessary. Sorry, we are no longer taking the bait??
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/29/10 09:27 PM

I agree with you that fear is a step to bondage. I have never feared God, for all my life He has been a loving and benevolent Father to me. I sometimes think I am chop suey (or minestrone) also. I was raised Christian, grew to love and respect the Lakhota ways which I am studying and have a strong affinity to Pagan and Buddhism also. I trust God and He never rebukes me for stretching my wings.

There is a story of a little girl who was walking home from school one day during a terrific thunder and lightning storm. Her mother drove to pick her up, fearing her child would be harmed by the lightning. When she saw her little girl walking alone, she stopped and watched her, amazed. Every time there was a lightning flash, the little girl stopped, looked up and smiled. Finally the mother called the girl to the car and asked, "What are you doing?". Another bolt of lightning flashed and the little girl looked up, smiled, and said, "God keeps taking my picture." Now that is trust in the face of a storm.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/30/10 11:06 PM

My wife tells me that I analize everything to death. Once she said that I think too deeply about things. I asked her indignantly what she meant and she replied, If it ain't science, it aint so!!! Oh, she knows how to push my buttons!!! I began my retort with, &quot;You and that steller PhD..........but without letting me finish she punched me in the shoulder and said,&quot;gotcha&quot; with a little grin. I gave her a slight push and we both had to laugh. We balance each other. Anyway she is probably right as I do get reclusive at times and go downstairs by the wood stove, suck up some heat and think my, as she calls it, &quot;deep&quot; thoughts. I went downstairs and thought about the fact that everyting is in fact science but for the most part certain realities of science are just either undiscovered or unbelieved because of a lack of traditional empirically proven methods. Then I thought of a distant relative St. Peter Kanis. He was a believer in the Blessed Mother and one of the guys who followed after that nasty old Martin Luther did his divisionary bit and he then tried to restore the Catholic Church. In my minds eye I could just see him sitting across the aisle from Dad, who was not Catholic yet authoritative, both in front of their very expensive mahogany desks issuing decrees that would make even Seti himself recant his last words of authority. Vivid imagination for a pea brain. Anyway the point of this rambling is that while sitting and reflecting by the fire I asked old St. Pete, out loud, how he felt about the restoration of the church knowing that subsequently his own family found safety in escape because of Luthers running interference for us. I also asked about the fact that so many religious are so serious about life that they can not even live. I asked why religion can be so full of dogma and legalism and fear as some people believe. Then I got really bold and said, You may be a saint and a guy of much honor but you are no better than me and I am also family!!! The reason for my boldness was that I never really thought that anybody was listening or that he was going to answer. I tend to ask the impossible and try to communicate with sources that would not, or were not, capable of communicating with humans, according to most people. He has probably gone over to the light and gone home for centuries. I went upstairs to eat and did not discuss it with my scientific minded LOL other half. I guess such things are trivia to most people. That night I had trouble sleeping. I kept hearing in my head a song and could not place it. I see notes sometimes and words but upon waking I can not remember what they were. Then James Lowell came to mind and his song &quot;Once to every man and nation.&quot; I grabbed one of our old hymnals and found the song.I have refered to this song in other posts. Have you ever played the game find the item in a room and if you are cold you are looking in the wrong place but if you are getting warmer you are heading in the right direction? While looking for clues I found the words that I needed and I was burning up!!! These are them,&quot; New occasions teach new duties, time makes ancient good uncouth. They would upwards still and onward, who would keep abreast of truth.&quot; Thanks Pete!!!!
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/02/10 02:20 PM

Yesterday my other half and I did our monthly shopping. It takes a while to get through the line and then by the time our cart is emptied and bagged it seems like we are a year or two older. This gives me time to observe people. In a few aisles down from us I saw a lady with a debilitating challenge, for lack of better political correctness, slowly walking up to the check stand as she was trying to keep her balance because of body tremors. She began placing her groceries on the check out conveyor. She probably had difficulty in placing them into the cart and it was difficult for her to remove them. The customers were backed up as the place was packed. This ladys checker came around the front and making sure that the lady was o.k. began then placing all of her groceries on the stand for her. The checker then went back and checked and bagged all of the groceries and then went back around and placed them into the cart. I was slowing up my own aisle so I appologized and did my own thing while watching this other checker. The disabled lady had trouble opening her purse and then swiping her card in the card machine so the checker again came around and helped her reassuring her with a pat and a smile. The disabled lady, although quite unsteady because of her disability smiled and thanked the checker and slowly went on her way. At that point I felt the most overwhelming feeling of awe and completeness knowing that I shared the same earth with this incredible person behind the counter. As we were going home I began thinking of stars in the sky. My Granddad used to say that those that bring people home to a real place of spiritual peace and understanding will shine like the stars forever. My Grandmother would say that the stars are our ancestors being always there and listening. I thought about it scientifically for a moment and remembered in science class way back in high school how Mr. Leith explained the condition of the stars. He said that much of the light from some of the stars that we see has actually burned out centuries ago. Maybe if what the old timers were saying has validity, then the things that we do to share our creativity and love with each other go on for much longer than a short sojourn in this life.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/02/10 08:18 PM

Good morning, We are back in class and as you know I am Professor Drummelsticks. Sometimes I will lecture in this class about religion, spirituality, magic, and science. My personal beliefs in whatever are of little consequence here so what I will try to do is challange our capacity to learn by allowing us to venture into unchartered modes of thinking without fear. Science is not the enemy of religion nor is total self dependence or the textbook the enemy of any deity. .We do not have to believe everything that we hear, of course, but it is our job as teachers to pose such a question. &quot;If Mom tells me that we must believe a certain thing because of the fact that it has always been so, is what she has to offer good for me? You can get upset with me for perpetuating such thoughts, even in recent posts, but please understand that I think VERY carefully before doing so and my purpose is not to cause anyone confusion but to prod us to think beyond our parameters without fear. I believe that a meeting of the spiritual, religious, and scientific mind just might bridge many gaps that ignorance would divide us upon. Some of you are very dependent upon your source and some of you are totally self reliant. Some of you play in the spirit world and some of you just believe in the completeness of all encompassing love. I am hopefully just a nurturing mirror. I do come across at times as a silly old eccentric kind of a guy and probably am but you guys are not so. You are learning and growing at a profound rate and I am proud of you all. Class Dismissed.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/14/10 10:17 PM

Good day class! Professor Drummelsticks here. So many of you are concerned about your family and your country during these difficult times. Let me share a very old earth religion secret with you. The only way that a family or a nation can be divided is from within. The enemies of any such group will, upon fear that oneness is taking hold, try to cause division within the group by any means possible. Distraction is one of those divisionary tools. Look over here, look over there, this is the real problem, that is the problem, he is the enemy, she is the enemy. When a few focused individuals stand their ground and will have nothing less than oneness for the protection of the group, not even a legion of traitors from within or without can divide it no matter what they attempt. Remember, those who are the elected leaders of a nation and the hidden people that speak through them, are rarely the real ones in control. Keep your foot out of the hunters snare, do not quarrel among yourselves, be silent, and stay focused.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/15/10 08:53 AM

The possibilities for real peace, harmony, and prosperity that benefits everyone are just as possible for a nation as it is a family. The fact that it appears to be rarely obtained can seem to hold it at bay and keep it as an unobtainable dream but those that take the lead in having it come to pass must do so without fear. The Preamble to our Constitution starts out by saying,"We the people." Some today say that "The People" were just a certain group of wealthy that lorded over the masses in those days or that it was written for a select deserving few. In reality maybe the People is the one who pours your coffee this morning. Maybe "The People" is the one that reads your gas meter, or the one that tows you out of the snow bank. Maybe the People is the one looking for a job on unemployment, Maybe the People is a CEO of a very large company that has given part of his/her life to make it better. Some of us are seemingly of lesser consequence but within us all is a power unharnessed. Remember the old joke; How do you eat an elephant? One bite at a time. How do you travel on a long journey? One step at a time. True leaders of any family or country already know how large the elephant is and the enormity of the journey but the completion of their goal has already been accomplished in their mind. Now, the daily bite and the daily step brings it closer. If we eat to fast we can choke or if we try to walk to far in a day the journey becomes a seeming mountain and unattainable. Just know that it is done and however daunting it may look right now keep eating and walking steadily without fear. From of old, the promise comes that we will have what we want in completeness. If the healing of your family, your country,the earth, and its inhabitance are in your heart, don't give up, don't give in, and don't go away. It will happen. No Fear Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/18/10 04:08 AM

Dave, I love to read your posts. I so wish that you would gather them all together and write a book. I would be the first to buy it.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/18/10 05:10 PM

Thank you Phyllis!!! You are a wonderful friend!!!!! People have asked why I do not write a book about my past. My only concern is that there are some out there that have no money for a book as some don't even have enough money for ample nourishing food for their families. Times are tough for some people.The love and wisdom that my family, both Earth people and Christians gave to me was given freely. If people can use what I have to say for the betterment of their lives I have my payment already. The secrets of my Earth People and our Great Mother and her wisdom have saved my life many times and the Christians showed me that love and peace beyond human understanding is within the reach of everyone.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/19/10 07:17 PM

We will call him Wolfie. He is a good friend of my other half and me. He comes from Europe and speaks good English but with a crisp accent. He has been our friend for a long time. He is tall and good looking just like me LOL!!!! Wolfie came to me originally as a client and then he became a fast friend. Wolfie is very male in his actions, plays ball, loves to party and we love to have a good time together also but my partaaay days are about over. Wolfie is gay. Earth people, for the most part, have no problem with sexual orientation and do not view sex as a sin or something to be ashamed of. We do respect each others boundaries however. Wolfie has a deep admiration for me as he came from a very twisted background and through many hours and days we helped each other come out of some "dark" corners, if you will. I believe that a therapist can learn a great deal about ones-self and also come out of some darkness by helping others out of theirs. Wolfie and I have talked deeply and have had spiritual energy exchanges that were healing for us both. To me an energy exchange is opening ones heart totally to another person without fear of judgement so that one can converse without the traditional inhibitions and fears that normally plague humanity. I guess because of my influence, even though I was not acutely aware of it, Wolfie studied magic and after a time posed a question for me. He asked me if I have ever shapeshifted. I responded with the fact that I have never really practiced it in depth although I know that it happens. I told him laughingly- only in my dreams. He responded seriously with,"Dave when you unlearn enough, you can go whereever and in what ever form you need." I still ponder that one!!!!!! I have heard about the earth secret of "unlearning". In one of those deep exchange moments I got up the courage to ask him why he has never hit on me. He is very blatant in expression and doesn't mince words and he told me openly'" Because I love you Dave." I gave him a huge bearhug and realized that there are few male friends that I am as close to as Wolfie. Recently he and I have communicated more openly about the abuse that he suffered in early years. We both agreed that the male initiated abuse syndrome seems to be somewhat winding down fortunately today. I told him that a few of my clients are now males that suffer abuse as it seems that some in the female gender are trying to redress the balance for past years. Their wives or girlfriends talk behind their backs and even make fun of them which helps to eat away at their self esteem. Both Wolfie and I agreed that abuse is still abuse no matter who the initiator is. One day while involved in a deep conversation and exchange he told me something that was bothering him about me. He asked me," Do you ever fear that some day our religious society might try to "off" you because of your witchy family. And also, he asked if I ever thought the day would come when because of my belief in Jesus that they might string me up just like they did him. I asked him in his native tongue, "What are you saying?" although I had a ready answer for him which is most unlike me as I usually have to analize everything to "death" as my other half says. "Wolfie, it has already happened. I have gone home." Then it was his turn as he asked me in his native tongue," What are you saying?" My reply was,"When you know who you are completely and know that you have done your best for yourself and those that you have encountered in life, you go home, yet while in this lifetime, to a place of peace. Death at that point is just another body function. I think that he somehow understood. Wolfie didn't have a dime when I was working with him in fact we fed him and gave him some of my old clothes that he really appreciated. Wolfie has since returned to Europe, and by the help of some in his family is finishing his doctorate and by combining his education with his spirituality will be able to go into other peoples "dark" world faster and give them the tools more effectively that will save their relationships and possibly even their lives. Because of abuse he was driven to find peace for himself and now for others. I know that when he helps people that their ability to pay or not will have no bearing on his desire to bring them out of the "ditch" as he calls it. When my other half and I think of him it is a combination of warm fuzzies with a few cartwheels although my cartwheeling abilities are quite dangerous to all of our furniture..Even though he will probably never read this site or even the Bella forums, we love you Wolfie!!!! Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/19/10 10:44 PM

My other half remembers and has studied probably every recorded historical event that has ever happened. She was telling me the in depth details of the Magna Carta and asked me if I knew when it was written. I knew that it was 1215 but I did not answer. I just stared at her, shook my head, crossed my eyes and put one finger up my nose while giving her the raspberry. She pushes my buttons, I push hers. In reality she is a very historically and presently aware lady whom I care about very much. I seem to remember certain specific events but mainly people in the past that make a difference in other peoples lives. In the town in which I graduated from high school was an old banker that lived in the latter 19th and early 20th century. I never knew him as he was gone before we moved there in the mid 50s. There were old newspaper clippings that our neighbor had who actually knew Mr. M.E.Griffin from the old Griffin and Adams Bank. The clippings now remind me of old Dr. Moonlight Graham from Field of Dreams. Old M.E was a wealthy man but had a real compassion for people. If he saw some poor kid with tattered chothes or shoes on the street he would ask his nurse whose kid is that? She knew everyone in town and would tell him. Some way or another some money would end up either being sent anonymously or undercover delivery to the family. The newspaper ads said that he helped many people in town that were in real need yet all done anonymously. People found out over time and he was written about 20 to 30 years after his death. Our neighbors said that he was one of the kindest souls that ever lived. No one in town seems to remember much accurate information about him anymore. In my simple little antiquated belief system I think that deeds such as those become eternal. He is not alone as I see little kids put a little change in the Salvation army bucket at the store and I see a bunch of Minnesota Grannys that make quilts and knit mittens and send homemade cookies for our troops overseas. These are incredible times and people to say the least!!! I could not take my nap this afternoon because a song kept singing in my ears. Good king Wenceslas. I found the sheet music and when I found the words that I sought I realized why I could not sleep. They were; "Page and Monarch, forth they went, forth they went together!!!!!" Happy Christmas to everyone and a Happy Yule
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/24/10 06:33 PM

This is one of the happiest Christmas seasons that we have ever had. I got the present that tops all others. Please allow me to get a little serious for a minute and then get joyful, if you will. As you know I have a friend that I have referred to as Wolfie. For a long time , I must confess, I have had a fear for my friend. It is totally none of my business but when you love someone you would really hurt if something happened to them, you know?? He is very real in his conversation so I was just as real back with him. I confessed to him very recently that I was afraid for his life with all of the diseases that can affect people today. Although he his quite forward in his expression he is also one of the most understanding people on earth if you are just real with him right up front. I told him that I would be sad beyond sad if he ever got aids. I told him that this has bothered me for a very long time and I always, even in deep moments of energy work, was afraid of how to talk to him about that. Mr. blatant himself took the weight of the world off of my sholders when he told me about a movement that he is now in. It is called the g0y movement that is growing worldwide. I have studied it just after he told me and I am more than happy for him. Oh, the 0 in the word g0y is not a letter but a number. He told me that he will never have to worry about diseases again, at least those that are sexually transmitted. I swear the dude has an IQ of at least 100,000 LOL. He investigates and checks things out.He is happy for me to share this with others as he says that it will save countless lives.I have never met anyone else that has ever spoken about this so I can not give any scientific empirical evidence of its effectiveness but it looks very promising to me. I am into that hope and I will put my blessing on it!!!!! Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/26/10 05:12 AM

I am so sorry to you all. I went back on the internet and looked up g0y and I had no idea that they were so graphic!!! The one he gave me was very tame. Please forgive me all!!
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/26/10 08:42 AM

Happy Yule and Happy Christmas to you, Dave.
Blessed are those who can just let it be. Blessed Be.

Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/26/10 05:49 PM

Let it be, let it be, oh! the Beatles
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/26/10 06:13 PM

"When I find myself in times of trouble,
Mother Mary comes to me,
Speaking words of wisdom,
Let it be."

I loved the Beatles so much and this is still one of my favorite songs.


Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/01/11 08:02 PM

Good morning class, Professor Drummelsticks here again. Hope everyone had a good new years celebration. Our lesson for today is "Understand another way of thinking or living that differs from our own." In recent posts I have attempted to root out some old heavily ingrained ideas from within our psyches and expose them by standing them next to new ideas. In doing so various groups of individuals have attempted to spiritually "attack" if you will, in defence of what they believe to be real for them. It IS real for them so to fight them back or try to "hurt" them back is totally counterproductive. In my own circumstance, for example, when a person or group of people attempts to attack me I let them and even encourage it. They have now just walked into my world. Now who has the control!!!!! The old order witch understands the concept that many times when one looses their temper that it is from an accumulation of a series of events that has let up to it so just redressing the balance at that moment does more harm than good. It is not only the Christians that have mastered the secret of turning the other cheek. In modern society we are taught to fight back to defend ourselves. In physical combat that is a wise idea but in a spiritual or emotional confrontation we must use wisdom beyond warfare. We are going to learn today about knowing ourselves within so that when challanged we can "invite" instead of repelling. In ancient order earth religion we learned that when one comes towards us in a spiritual threatening manner, we give them full leave to pose their threat without hinderance. They have now built a bridge. What many do not understand is that a bridge is two way. We have now full access to them and with one hand can hold on to their hair if individually or collectively with one hand. Now they can not leave their position until you are ready for them to go.You now have the other hand free to do whatever you wish. If we are destructive in out thinking we will use it to retaliate as some have done. We DO NOT operate in this school in such a manner. Such actions will be subject to immediate expusion from the current flow of the cosmos. Knowing that we cannot be harmed we will use the other hand to apply salve, remove swords or other weapons from hands, extend nurturing and even hugs. They cannot escape so they can fight the love that is given them until they begin to see that there is no greater force in the universe and you have now just possibly made a friend for life. These are very very ancient tools for spiritual mastery while walking in this lifetime. Unfortunately today surrounding ourselves in "white" light is not a total defence against some as a few have learned to walk right past it into our world.Spiritual masters think of others as themselves and only wish betterment for all beings and things around them. In earlier years we were told that higher ascension truths could not be contained in print. Maybe those days are not these days and as the song states "time makes ancient good uncouth", we could possibly proceed repectfully into their understanding, who knows? There is a deeper way to think and a deeper way to act upon circumstances that will make a universal peace come to a realization much faster. Enough for today, class dismissed. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 01/01/11 09:05 PM

There is more than one way to get to San Jose, Dionne -- it depends on where you are coming from. We must each follow our own path, stand strong in our own truths and remain in control of our own vehicles.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/01/11 09:22 PM

Good truths Phyllis!! May I add a little to what you say? I used to try to control my vehicles, defend my own set of truths, and my stance but when I let go they seem to guide themselves and flow overtaking my own desires.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 01/01/11 09:34 PM

That makes a lot of sense, Dave. It is when we let go that all comes together as it should. Thanks for the reminder.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/04/11 05:13 PM

Good morning class!!! I am Professor Drummelsticks as you already know. As teachers we are very concerned about the ones that have a hard time understanding or believing some spiritual concepts or just feeling left behind. Please don't give up and please don't quit the class. It is not your fault but mine as I am at times incapable of explaining myself as I need to. Its one thing to know something but it is another to transmit that information so all others can understand it. In this class it's all or nuthin!! We all get it or we don't move on. Be patient with me and I will learn to explain things in more detail. Thank you!!! Today we are going to keep our minds open and we are going to open a portal. Lets take a journey. Journeying or "traveling" is a very old art that our Great Mother taught us to do centuries ago when we needed to be somewhere else and our bodies physically could not do so. I am going to speak a little about my wife here today as she journeys with me many times. I listen for cries or calls for help in the planet. One night Mrs. Drummelsticks and I heard cries so we left and headed west. We ended up in Portland, Oregon. That is in the United States you know!!! As we entered the town we heard cries coming from deep beneath the ground. This area was under a sidewalk. We did not know how to proceed but as we approached the area closer we saw a huge drill looking thing kind of like the man driven drill earth mover that was in the movie Total Recall. It was going right through the concrete and deep into the ground. I do not know if we created this drill thing or if it was there in preparation for our arrival. In any case when the drill backed out she and I went down the hole and spotted another little hole that we opened up. This hole led to a very large dark cavernous room. We heard cries and moans. Mrs. Drummelsticks, not wholeheartedly, journeys with me because she loves me and puts up with my craziness but when she saw a soul crying and languishing on the ground she raced ahead of me and kneeling down held this being to comfort and console it.I went to the next one who was shaking and very cold. I held this soul until it was still and warmer. We both were overwhelmed by the utter suffering that was in this hole in the earth and the number of souls there. How were we going to help them all? We, nevertheless were able to reach each one. Salve and bandages came out of nowhere and we began to apply them to the ones that needed them. Soon others that were able began to go to the rest and apply bandages and comfort to each other. Mrs. Drummelsticks and I wept because of such suffering and the tears would interfere with what we were trying to see so we had to buck-up and be strong. These were souls that were shanghaied probably a century ago and I guess when the ship captain was done with them he had them killed and thrown into this pit. As they were able we escorted them out into the daylight. They looked at the downtown buildings and recognized a few of the old ones but everything else was very modern and they knew no-one passing by on the street. They all became afraid and stayed right by us. We told them that until this is sorted out that they should all stay together as they were at least familiar with each other. She and I felt so helpless for them and we did not know what to do as we had to return home. As we were pondering the situation a few of them said that they will seek vengence against the ones that did this. Some just wanted to be with their families which unfortunately were probably for the most part gone years ago. They thanked us for helping them and when we felt that they now could somehow navigate from that point on we agreed to leave. We told them that they need to stay together until somehow they can seek the answers that they need. No one saw any bright light like you see on the movies signalling when its time to go home so obviously their path was still confined to earthly exploration. We and they were so happy finally to be free and know that someone just cared about them. They did not want us to leave but we did tell them that if they ever get really scared to come and see us and we gave our location. We left. Now class, this can not be scientifically proven with any type of emperical data, our claim can be readily disproved and you have the option to think of us as ones with a whopper of an imagination or just totally bogus!!! One could also say that it is one dilly of a dream!! I perfectly understand. There is however another possible way of looking at this. It actually happened!!! If we think that what our natural eyes can behold alone is all that there is, or that the spiritual world is too scary to see or enter, then maybe that is why we suffer so on this planet as we feel so "stuck". Listen for the cries and be open. Mrs. Drummelsticks and I have opened other dark places and that is what we are teaching you today. Open the dark places. Blessed be
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 01/04/11 06:48 PM

Dave, when you say you 'travel' (journeying or "travelling") is this your soul travelling or your physical body, or in your mind. Hmm did that make sense? Okay try again... what does journeying involve?

Your story gave me goosey bumps!

Peace
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/04/11 09:40 PM

I will try to explain it as best as I can. When Diane and I travel our spirits and our consciousness in unison travel to a place that we are needed. What many do not understand is that we all have traveled at times, whether in our sleep or whether we are concsiously aware of it or not. We think that sleep is just rest and if we have enough we will be rested. There are people that only need minutes of sleep at night and then there are many that need a lot of sleep at night. Some know instinctively right away when they fall asleep where the need will be met and go there. Others may take more time to find the need and are not in a real hurry. When we sleep we are either teaching, learning, needed by another person or group of people or we need what others have. It is our deep "sleep" as we call it that takes away all inhibition so we can soar to where we have to go and learn. I believe that the new frontier in science will be discovering what really happens to us as we sleep. Dreaming, although usually quite symbolic instead of realistic, gives us a sign of our travels. If one journals their dreams immediately upon waking there will be a pattern forming that can tell us about our inner needs, talents, and activities that we are involved in. This is not, as some people would call it, scary stuff. Sleep is required to learn and "ascend" on a daily basis to regenerate and renew our minds and to allow us to slip through the snares of things that would entrap us in either mind, body, and spirit from the former days' old way of thinking. When we are consciously travelling we are awake but our mindset and focus is on our destination and the work that we need to do. Our alternate being is seeing this other place clearly and able to do what we need even though our physical body is still at home.For many who have never experienced such travel let me try to explain a little of what is happening. Have you ever been somewhere and all of a sudden you felt like your internal parts (guts)as we call them have been removed and we then have a real hollow feeling? What is actually happening is that our "essence" or "being" is needed by another in another place. Were you ever away from home and felt a deep hole in yourself and knew that you needed to call home because one of your kids needed you. That is the same thing. We maybe not consciously aware of it but we just knew that we were needed. When we become more aware of traveling we can just let our inner being go to where it needs to be and do its thing while we are also doing what is at hand in the physical. I hope that this can help explain what goes on in sleep. Have you ever seen someone on the street that you knew but could not remember when or even if you have ever met? You have met this person in another realm. If however you were to go up to them and inquire of such they might think you are some kind of a nut because they may not have the ability to remember you, for whatever reason. I appreciate your confidence in me Linda but the teacher is within you. I just hold up the mirror and you begin to see YOU clearer. Nothing that I have ever told anyone in a reading, counselling, lecturing, or deep intense therapy is new. Everyone already knows this stuff already and have forever but over time and generations we just forgot. We are just mirrors and because we care for humanity it is rewarding to see another being view the true being within themselves and like what they are seeing. I hope this makes sense!!! Blessed be
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 01/04/11 09:57 PM

Dave (David and Diana, that's cool) I perfectly understand what you are telling. And yes I am my teacher within. Thank you then for being the Mirror that reflects back at me what I am.

Bon voyage on your travels and God bless for your articulate writings.

Its nice to read your writings.

Peace
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/04/11 10:12 PM

You are also my teacher and mirror Linda. Thank you for your insight! Dave
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/06/11 05:25 PM

"Let the leaders fight. Let the people focus. Now who is in control" ?!!!!!! Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/07/11 04:53 PM

We have a leader and his spouse in the world today that have vengence, redress, and retaliation in their hearts as it can be seen in their eyes. This is destructive to any nation. Eloquence of words doesn't cut it. Seers see what they see and to make unaware people aware, they will speak out. Look into the eyes. Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/08/11 06:14 PM

Christians around the globe are coming under attack which also involves me as I too am a Christian. Do not give up, do not give in, and do not go away!!! Jesus could not say everything in the Bible that he wanted to because of the status of the world in those days. He was a very spiritual and metaphysical man. If he had the ability to reach through the lifeless body of a dead person far enough to pull the spirit back into it he knew some things that we don't find in the King James or its predecessors today. Restoration of blind eyes is nothing less than fully developed spiritual divine magic being so closely connected to his heavenly Father. Without fear lets let the past rest and now press into the greater truths that He knew and it WILL change this world. Stand Fast, Blessed be His Name
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 01/12/11 06:09 AM

Blessings to you, Dave. Blessings to all who strive to grow spiritually and help others to Stand Fast - Blessed be His Name. Jesus is a great spiritual leader. I find peace in conversations with Him in deepest prayer and meditation.

I had a conversation with my son a few days ago and gave him the link to this thread. He said he would love to sit down at a coffee shop with you and I just to talk and share about spirituality, spiritual leaders, spiritual growth, etc.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/13/11 04:06 AM

Hi Phyllis!! I will share anything I have with your son. I am in central Minnesota which is probably a long way from him but he is nevertheless welcome at any time. People are coming together because they are spiritually hungry and as the energy increases on the earth we are learning some ancient truths at a remarkably rapid rate. What an exciting time to be alive. You are my good friend!! Blessings to you, dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 01/13/11 07:14 AM

How awesome! Friends like you are a gift. You and my son inspire me so much when it comes to spirituality and open-mindedness/acceptance. Maybe some day we can keep that date and learn and share. How great would that be?
Blessings and hugs to you, Dave - Phyllis.
Posted By: Lisa - Buddhism

Re: The Goddess - 01/15/11 08:10 PM

Just came across this old thread, I guess it's triggered a lot of responses over the last 4 years! I had an observation based on the initial post that says Eastern cultures have traditionally honored the goddess, or feminine deities and spiritual leaders, more than the West. Although you do find Hindu and Buddhist female deities, sadly, in practice historically women have been just as discriminated against within those spiritual traditions. So that has really been a world-wide problem, that is correcting in all the different traditions. I have studied this extensively, and there really hasn't been a much better track record in Eastern traditions than West.

But there are some lovely female Buddhas, for example, some of which I've written about on the Buddhism site, including my favorite Tara (which I just happened to write about this week). According to one legend, in a past life Tara was advised by some male monks to pray for a male incarnation, so she could continue her spiritual practice, and she scoffed, vowing to work towards the enlightenment of all sentient beings in a women's body always.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/28/11 04:02 PM

Back for this one post that I have neglected to put on here because of fear but I must comply at this point. Anyone reading this probably would have a tendency to think of me as totally going off the deep end and if so I just have to say that you are entitled to your opinion correct or not. Bear with me here. You might have already guessed that my family has had some deep problems with the church over the last five centuries. I am the last in my line and glad to be so because the feud between the Hatfields and the McCoys must now come to an end. Not too may years ago my other half and I were managing an RV camp ground near Seaside, Oregon. I was in the storage building and a voice began speaking to me. It was a channel opened up that I recognized as my family has used to communicate over great distances years ago with out ever being in close proximity to each other. The voice asked me why I hate the Catholic church so much. Believe this or not but it was the former Pope John Paul while he was still alive. My first thought was why would such a man in his position even waste his time communicating with a tiny little spec as myself. You surely must understand how I felt. I was scared but as my family has done for generations when challenged will stand up fearlessly. I told him firmly that it is not just the Catholic church that is at fault, it is the Lutheran, the Methodist, and all the rest that have left the path. Then because I became really afraid I said something really stupid. " You are not worth talking to and this conversation was over." The channel was then closed. In hind-sight I realized that all the man wanted to do is to find out what was going on and try to understand how someone could be so adament about my feelings. 500 years of family resides within me.I wish that now I could have regained my composure and continued the dialogue and would have told him that in the old days the church not only persecuted us but killed a bunch of as as well. He just wanted to understand and I was a total fool in my fear. He, like me, was a seeker and a seer, and a very wise inquiring kind of a guy but in my fear as well as my self righteous indignation turned him off and threw him to the curb. I just have one more thing to say about Pope John Paul: If the church doesn't wise up and recognize a leader like him that wanted to mend the gulf between all human beings then they maybe need to go away just as the feud between us needs to go away. I have withheld this post because few would believe me but I have told you the truth. I probably won't be back because I see how this is going to go over. dave
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 01/28/11 04:20 PM

Dave I missed you, I even enquired about were you had disappeared to, please don't go away because I miss when you do not post. It is like someone is missing from the family.

I read about the Hatfield and McCoy feud on line and wondered are you a Hatfield or a McCoy?

Peace and Hugs
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/28/11 04:48 PM

No Linda, neither a Hatfield or a Mccoy. Just this long standing stand off between what we as a family considered freedom and the churches definition of freedom. You are like my little sister Linda and even though I have never met you I have great respect and love for you as a brother. Glad you are well!!! dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 01/28/11 05:31 PM

I hope you do come back, Dave. You are my friend, I love reading your posts, I love you as a dear friend, and I would so miss you if you went away. We each have our own fears, our own truths and our own rights to believe as we will. To share those feelings and thoughts is a wonderful thing. Whether others believe or not what you say, it adds to our knowledge and our learning. You have a good way of sharing your truths -- the key word is "sharing", for you do not push and insist that others believe what you believe. The wise do not berate or argue as to who has the right truths -- your words are like a beautiful tree full of ripe fruit. Those who choose to can take the fruit and enjoy it, or leave it be. I choose the fruit of knowledge that helps me spiritually on my path. Thank you for sharing. Blessed Be.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 01/28/11 05:50 PM

Phyllis,You women are truly some of the greatest peacemakers on earth and I am glad to know all of you. I know that there are many paths home and our tolerance and understanding for each other is the salve that mends all of the hurts and creates a direction towards one goal for all. The women in my family were true leaders and saved a hell of a lot of us men from suffering and I owe you gals a lot. I lay the swoard down completely and will just embrace peace.I will pop in and out maybe at times but I just want you to know that I'm in your corner. dave Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 04/15/11 10:32 AM

She is more precious than rubies; and all the things that thou canst desire are not to be compared to her. Length of days is in her right hand; and in her left hand riches and honour. Her ways are ways of pleasentness-and all her paths are peace. She is the tree of life to them that lay hold of her; and happy is everyone that retaineth her. Get wisdom, get understanding; forget it not; Neither decline from the words of my mouth. Forsake her not, and she shall preserve thee;love her, and she shall keep thee. Wisdom is the principal thing; therefore get wisdom; and with all thy getting get understanding. Exalt her, and she shall promote thee; she shall bring thee to honor, when thou dost embrace her. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 04/15/11 11:59 PM

Dave, I am happy to be reading your words again. Welcome back.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 05/23/11 08:20 AM

Witchcraft, especially old order, has been a very misunderstood practice and feared by many due to ignorance. The same is true for pure Christianity. In my family, and as it has been for 500 years, we would stand up in defence of humanity when the church would sell out to the highest bidder. Because they will continue to insist that they are on the side of divine providence and yet make no effort to defend those of humanity that cannot defend themselves they are again rendered powerless and wanting in purpose.

Thusly the great Mother will speak as she will defend Her own. The leaders of our nation are more interested in the view of the camera and the lure of money than the healing of our nation. The oil companies have a strangle hold upon families in our country making it difficult for many financially to make it day from day because of their greed. Our medical community makes their money in these days by pushing pills which a moron can do blindfolded instead of being truly desirous of helping make the plight better for the common man.

Stand and watch o useless church!!! Insist upon your place in the divine scheme of things while your people suffer. Your power is empty as your people are left empty. The Christians in my family stood their ground as well as the witches who clung tightly to their Great Mother and demanded that the power of the universe lies within the heart of the common man. Oh ye empty temples filled with pretense and self rightousness, close your doors OR stand in the gap for mankind and once again provide a refuge for ALL.

She gave birth to all of this and now rises to the cries of her own. The watchers and seers will speak when tyranny attempts to rule the poeple. The one who pours your coffee this morning is worthy, the one who holds the door for you at the hotel is worthy, the one who checks you out at the grocers is worthy. The leaders of all are the servants of all. If they rule ruthlessly they will become the prey of the worthy.Let the leaders of the people hear that their sleep will not endure and their nights will never end until the least of these are again cared for. She is blessed and does not lie. Blessed Be
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 05/28/11 04:11 PM

Blessed Be Ancient Flax Man. What a powerful thread this has been. I agree about the camera and money.... What a blessing it would be if our leaders, and those who raise them up, could be more concerned about humanity and healing.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 05/30/11 10:38 PM

Right on Deanna!!!!!!!
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/11 06:09 PM

I have been thinking about what my family has stood for for the last many many years and have never been able to put it into the exact words that I am satisfied with until I heard a Youtube clip. It was spoken by that brilliant actor Henry Fonda. Type in; The Grapes of Wrath - I'll Be There
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/11 06:52 PM

With reference to the title of this thread, 'The Goddess', I do not think God is male or female. God does not possess human characteristics. God has never appeared to any human being so no one actually knows what God is or what God looks like.

When God says in the Bible, 'let us make man in our image' He means mankind, and mankind is made up of males and females. God does not require a human body, this is a vessel for our souls to live in on Earth. So why would God look like us? God is a spirit like our soul... he blew into us His spirit. Gender is used for procreation. God does not procreate. Not begotten nor begat.

In English we do not have a word for non gender. There was a time in the English language when the word HE did not imply gender to the referent. There used to be masculine, feminine and neuter. Neuter being IT in today's language.

In Mandarin Chinese, there is no gender distinction, ta means he, she, or it. Maybe we should use that when referring to the Creator.

I refer to God as He, but I do not think of Him in male form. I am sure if everyone had called God 'she' when I was growing up I would refer to Him as Her.

Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/11 07:27 PM

Whoa! That video was very powerful. I love how he says maybe we're all little pieces of one big soul.

Awesome.... Thanks for sharing that with us today!
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/11 07:30 PM

Hi Linda laugh

I was raised with the belief that God was an old man with a long white beard who sat on a throne judging and smiting everyone. I wasn't able to shake that until my early 20s.

I am now able to see God as a genderless divine energy...

I love how you say these physical bodies were created as a vessel for our souls to have this experience. I totally LOVE that! That's what I believe too. We are each a channel for God express, and through us we can share the love and compassion of the Divine Force that created us in the first place laugh
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/11 07:51 PM

Hi Deanne,

Yes! I was told this too, old man, grey beard and sat on a chair smiting us!

I could never get my head around that, and when I asked so how old is he? No one could ever answer me.

Anyway in my young childish mind, God was not old but a handsome, young man who was going to rescue me from this horrible world! He even had long hair!

LOL still waiting!! lol
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/11 10:46 PM

Hi guys!! I guess one would have to be raised in an environment where both aspects of each gender would be viewed thoroughly. Its very easy to group all into one. That's kinda like "one size fits all". I have thought about what you, Deanna and Linda have spoken as well as what many other folks have proclaimed. I am a searcher and have a very analytical yet spiritual mind and I for one must stay with my conclusions and as it has been for 500 years. This is my opinion only so please don't take offense at it. When they are grouped together one gender usually becomes dominant. That is the way that many religions view things. This is not an equal world. When a woman whores around she is a whore. When a guy does it he gets a pat on the back. Is the percentage of abused genders equal? I doubt it!!! How many guys file a police report for abuse versus the women. What percentages of higher profile crime favor one gender. Do the homework!!!! Our cultures are products of our acceptance of cultural norms affected mainly by our belief systems. When the King James states that woman is to be subservient to the man or that man has dominion over the earth; Read the Greek, Read the Greek, Read the Greek. Study the ancient texts to find the truth about what we have been forced to swallow. When women are made subservient the man is half a man. My wife is a doctor. She is really smart and very deeply people-friendly. She can out think me on many levels. If I make her subservient to me it is my ego that would destroy her beauty. That will not happen!!! I have a lowly masters degree.LOL She is working on her second doctorate and should have her dissertation completed within a year or two. I am thrilled for her. We men revere our women and hold them in high esteem. That way they hold us men in the same light. O.K. what has this to do with God-Goddess right? Most everything. Why is God referred to a Father, Why is everything He? Many say oh that is the way that people talk, its nothing. That is the problem with our culture. We refuse to accept the ultimate power that the spoken word has. Observation of how a culture accepts a certain class of people has been a study of mine for 6 decades. Its perfectly acceptable for all deities to be genderless, that is if the culture follows suit. When the female side of me is repressed I suffer. Any man who accepts less probably finds his life empty and full of turmoil. Women need a balance within also. I enjoy being a guy but I enjoy being a free guy!! I do not accept what our, or any other culture says just because everyone else says that that something is true. Thank you, I'll keep my Great Mother-Mother Goddess. I am, despite some problems as we all have, a very content and richly rewarded personage. She has given me my life. Blessed be
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 07/01/11 11:06 PM

Dearest Dave, how could we ever take offence at your gracious words?

You can have your Great Mother Goddess it does not conflict with my belief in God. The Creator gives us life and takes it back.

Male/female/neuter is of no consequence to me. I know that God sees me as an equal to any man on this planet. I know my place on this planet and my role in life. I do not even object to the male species being dominant. What I do object to is their being oppressive and aggressive.

Female is female, male is male, they are not the same gender but the same species. Each has a role to play. Each provides a service to the other. We are like each others garments and we should love and protect each other. BUT WE DON'T.

We even dispute over God/Goddess, and I find it funny that Deanne and I have both referred to God as He, while our lovely Dave refers to the Creator as Goddess, She.

Each to their own and there is no compulsion in religion.

It is lovely to read you tonight Dave.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 02:10 AM

Hey Little Sis,thanks for your words!! Excellent insight also!! I do believe in a God, it's just not this bit of twisted wreckage that many people in our culture behold. First of all I was taught to believe in myself which is the key to life. The divine is within. You need to write Linda! your words carry an unusual weight. I will buy your first book!! Deanna, you are genuine in expression and have the ability to affect the dream states in others in a positive way. Great things are accomplished in that realm!! dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 05:31 AM

Dear Dave, Deanna, and Linda (alphabetically) smile

Over the three years I have come to this thread off and on I see that it has narrowed down to acceptance and respect of the path of others, regardless of our own truths. I come here with an open mind and leave with a peaceful heart.

I, too, was raised to believe that God is He/Male. With many years of seeking my path and my truths the greatest thing that I know of God is the words spoken by God: I AM.

Very simple and self explanatory. Yet I still refer to God as the male gender because that comes naturally to me. I do not really know why other than that is how I was raised. Yet, I see and sense both the male and female aspects of God. In Nature I see the gentle beauty of the little quiet and vulnerable critters and delicate flowers; I see the gentle, loving care and training given to new borns by an otherwise ferocious beast; I see gentle Spring rains that give new birth; I see the Sun nourish newly born plants with needed light; I hear the gentle winds that carry the soft sweet fragrances of Natures beauty to me, and hear the softly spoken waters rippling over rocks in streams.

Then I see the power of storms so enormous and damaging it makes us realize how humble, and vulnerable we are in the face of Nature's full force; wild animals protecting their young; creatures of the sea eating each other for survival; the awesome magnitude and power of the sea when it raises up to take back the land it once covered; the fiercely rushing waters of rivers that take all down in their path, and so many other things in Nature that are powerful, ferocious, and not particular in choosing victims.

Yet we call all this gentleness and all these powerful strengths, Mother Nature. Why not Father Nature? Why not just Nature? Because this is the way we have been conditioned from birth - it is called Mother Nature. In the same way, many people have been conditioned to refer to God as He, Heavenly Father, or She, Mother Goddess. These are our truths, our own experiences.

Native Americans, over 1000 different tribes with their own truths, pray to Grandfather Great Spirit. They call the sun Grandfather Sun and the moon is Grandmother Moon. The sky is Father and the earth is Mother.

People since the beginning of time have placed gender on supreme beings and on Nature. It is just a natural thing to do for many.

I research, read, and write a lot about mythology. There is a plethora of gods and goddesses that I could not get through if I lived to be 200 years old. I love to study religions and find that there are many paths to follow for one's spiritual growth.

I love to read what the three of you write, for you each have your own truths and you each stand strong in your own truths. This is beautiful -- and it is one of the first things I try to impart to someone who needs spiritual help. Like the three of you, I do not force my truths on a person seeking spiritual help. I help them find their own truths and encourage them to stand strong in those truths.

If I may, Dave, I would like to reprint your ancient family song that you posted here about three years ago and that I copied and put in a file called Spiritual Songs, I of course have your name as the source on this song. The reason I saved it is because to me it is just as powerful and loving as a any song I sang about God as He, and gives me just as much peace:

If we awaken her within us and trust in her for all our days,
She'll give us strength for each occasion she'll guide us past
the darkest days. Who trusts in her as like a dove has found
within unending love.


And

If you would lean on the Great Mother, acknowledge her in all
your ways, she'll give you strength,throught deepest water, and
she'll see you through uncertain days. 2nd verse: If you could
let go of this world and trust that she would guide your path,
she'll be your lover and close companion, you might just
sidestep all human wrath. 3rd verse; If you could soar beyond
this system you have a choice that you may make, embrace the one
that stands as ageless, she'll comfort you till you awake. 4th
verse; She has no need for all our worship, she's right amongst
us no need for more, she'll share all knowledge and love
abounding, Then she'll let us go that we might soar.
Blessed Be

To see people with different beliefs come here and share, respect and honor the beliefs of others, and be able to communicate amiably is a precious and wonderful thing.

Yes - Blessed Be

I cannot go to a church and pray/worship. To me it is just not natural and often is very misleading and prejudiced. I pray as the ancients did, in Nature where only Creator can hear my prayers, where rainbows and sunsets are my stained glass windows and the winds and Hawk carry my prayers to Creator. This is my truth, my peace.
Posted By: Francine - German Culture

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 06:55 AM


What an amazing and thought provoking reply Phyllis, honestly can�t add any more than that.

Dave�s beautiful song and your words, it was a wonderful read.

Francine

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 07:12 AM

Thank you, Francine. It is great to see you join this conversation.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 11:16 AM

You ladies are amazing to me!! Your acceptance level and truths keep the door open for progress in the spiritual life. Down through my lifetime the women usually carried the truths for our family and you guys are doing the same thing. I don't know why I picked up the ball in my family and ran with it but it is as my wife has told me. We don't choose it, it chooses us. I learn so much from you all and am so glad that I found this site four years ago. Who would not feel totally welcomed in your midst Ladies?? I certainly do and I am certainly not alone. You all are incredible!! blessings, dave
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 01:06 PM

LOL just a brief observation before I read the above posts, had to look to see who had started this thread all those years ago Phyllis, twas a woman named LINDA LOL, wow
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 01:27 PM

My skin is crawling with millions of prickles! Phyllis you put into words so eloquently what many people these days think, but may be afraid to put into words. People are becoming more tolerant of each other, the media makes it out that we all hate each other, NOT SO!

Dave, my weighty words do need to be written down, and just last week I started the process after a wonderful Saturday morning chat with Deanne, (wow it's a week ago today, where did the time go?). You, Big Brother, will get the first complimentary copy and I may even dedicate it to ancientflaxman. You have been a rock and a shining example of what a man is. Surrounded by us gals, I admire your bravery for speaking out, hehe! (See Phyliss, I lost a little brother and gained a Big Brother, through the forum).

God works in mysterious ways that none of us are even aware of. Whatever name we give the Creator, it is a healing to know I am not alone in my belief that God/Goddess does exist. I even admire people who are adamant that God does not exist! Each to their own. We all have something to offer and we can all learn from each other.

All we have to do is listen.

That is why we were given ears, eyes and brains.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 05:26 PM

Bright Blessings Dave! Beautiful, beautiful, beautiful!!! I believe that when anyone is made to be lower for the sake of making another feel superior, there is something terribly wrong.

Over the last 12 years I've been able to move into the feeling of a Mother/Father being of energy. I am still working on having a comfortable relationship with a "Mother" aspect.

You know, I remember hearing somewhere that our relationships with our parents brightly color our relationship with our Creator. So if we have a parent who has abandoned us, that affects us, not only as an abandoned child, but how we feel cared for by the Divine.

I've recently been reading Mists of Avalon. I love how the women connect to the Mother Goddess.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 05:27 PM

Yes Linda, how old is that old man? HA HA!!!

You know, I saw him on the TV show, The Simpsons! He's really looking old HA HA.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 05:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Linda - Islam
Male/female/neuter is of no consequence to me. I know that God sees me as an equal to any man on this planet. I know my place on this planet and my role in life. I do not even object to the male species being dominant. What I do object to is their being oppressive and aggressive.

Female is female, male is male, they are not the same gender but the same species. Each has a role to play. Each provides a service to the other. We are like each others garments and we should love and protect each other. BUT WE DON'T.


Oh Linda, your words made me want to cry. We should protect each other. I have been having some recent relationship trouble... and this really hits that on the head.

When we can remember that each every soul is tender and precious... a jewel waiting to be discovered, it would be impossible to say anything hurtful.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 05:33 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Hey Little Sis,thanks for your words!! Excellent insight also!! I do believe in a God, it's just not this bit of twisted wreckage that many people in our culture behold. First of all I was taught to believe in myself which is the key to life. The divine is within. You need to write Linda! your words carry an unusual weight. I will buy your first book!! Deanna, you are genuine in expression and have the ability to affect the dream states in others in a positive way. Great things are accomplished in that realm!! dave


Oh my Dave, thank you so much for your kind words!!

Twisted wreckage LOL.... and oh my again. I've been there.

And I agree Linda!!! Your words carry power and love. I would cherish any book written by you!
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 05:43 PM

Whoa Phyllis!!!

Thank you so much for posting Dave's poem. I've never read it before! Of course, this is a very long thread LOL!

I've been studying Toltec spirituality, and I've really resonated with the teachings of Sun as grandfather and moon as grandmother.

I think I've shared this before... but on Mother's Day 2010 I wrote a song called The Lullaby. I wrote it as I imagined what our Great Mother would say to us when we were feeling lost or apart from each other.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 06:44 PM

Deanna, you make me laugh with your delightful enthusiasm. Yes, this is a very long thread. Occasionally I have gone back to the beginning to read every post. It is amazing to see all the thoughts and people coming together and sharing.

I am listening to your Lullaby now. It is very pretty.

Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 09:54 PM

I want to share something with you guys. No matter how furious some religious persons have been when communicating with me per this site no one has ever been directly slanderous or unkind in their inquiry of why I am seemingly so anti- church. First of all I am not against the concepts of church as it is needed for many to gain strength and encouragement. The horrific things that some within the organization have done to others is enough to turn any trusting soul away however. The same has been true for a few witches within my own family. Some have been very dark, oppressive, and have also put trouble upon people that was without warrant.The word bi___es truly applies here, not witches. I have no part of either twisted agenda.

Getting back to the church. My wife is Catholic. Imagine, ancientflaxman with a Catholic wife????? She does attend at times and when she gets discouraged about what she sees I encourage her to attend as it makes her more of a complete woman. Whatever it takes to be complete is where I am at. I think that she views the Blessed Mother as a link to the Great Mother. That may be true however I don't know about it and I tend to back away from things that I don't know for sure. Allow me to express my opinion here and it is my opinion alone as no one else has to agree.

I remember the old and most beautiful hymns of the church while growing up. Herzlich lieb hab ich dich o herr, Oh Gott du frommer Gott, and wer nur den lieben Gott l�sst walten, to name a few. I have a few pagan friends that will cry when they hear these beautiful melodies and ancient words. Most churches have forgotten the old and beautiful hymns, liturgies, and chants and replaced them with light little fluffy ditties that just seem to make one feel good for a minute.

Now getting to my preference. I have many witch friends. I have some friends from the pre-vatican 2 Latin Catholic Mass, rich gorgeous services carved out of the annals of antiquity. I also have some Pentecostal friends that are tongue talking shouting joyous people. They don't embrace my Great Mother nor anything witchy but I do embrace their freedom and the fact that they have been persecuted by others which makes me very much akin to their plight. Some people call it an emotional display. I call it guts!! The messages in tongues with interpretation as well as the prophetic utterances are without a doubt incredible and inspiring when authentic. I know when they are from the Source!!Those people will stand in what they believe!! Who can fight that??? They used to sing Leaning on the everlasting arms, I will enter His gates, Just over in the glory land, I'll fly away, and many other incredible songs.

Allow me to proceed please. Look on Youtube and type in Taize Zagreb Gloria, or Taize Zagreb Kyrie. Look at the faces of these kids who do a pilgrimage to Croatia and find a real meaning in their lives. I understand that 100,000 kids a year visit there. Look, I am not an avid fan of religion but look at the sincerity and intent on the faces of these kids. No, I am not against the church but it has some cleaning up to do. I do my pagan rituals but I also sing those songs of faith from even hundreds of years ago. I play them on my old pump organ upstairs, badly I might add, LOL. I embrace it all and I know that there are many ways to go home. When I get a little rough on the church just understand that I get just as rough on myself when I am out of line and I got just as rough on my kids when they were out of line because I love them. dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/02/11 10:32 PM

Dave, I, too, love the old hymns and many gospel songs. I once sat in a saloon in Disneyland for hours listening to a group of women, gospel singers, that had the whole building vibrating and jumping like crazy. Some people were singing and clapping with them, some were dancing, some were crying, or doing all that at once. Some, like me, were just sitting in silence with tears rolling down our cheeks, feeling the profound spirituality of it.

I love it when we feel the acceptance and freedom here in this forum to express our thoughts, beliefs and loves.

Thank you!
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/03/11 12:40 AM

Originally Posted By: Phyllis-Folk/Myth

I am listening to your Lullaby now. It is very pretty.



Phyllis, thanks so much... and thanks so much for listening laugh

I went back and started reading at the beginning. What wisdom!!!
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/03/11 06:23 AM

This is an awesome thread, Deanna.
Posted By: Francine - German Culture

Re: The Goddess - 07/03/11 07:03 AM


Phyllis you are absolutely right, it is a fascinating thread.

Love those hymns too Dave, they evoke an enormous amount of emotion in me whenever I hear them, although have known too many corrupt and cynical priests personally, as friends even as strange as that might sound, to have much faith in the official churches.

Asked one, basically a decent human being but not religious or spiritual in any way, and he certainly did not do much as far as helping his �flock� went, why he had become a minister and he said he could not think of anything else to do after leaving Uni.

Although there are of course there are a majority who live up to their beliefs, and provide comfort and guidance amongst other things to their parishioners and followers.

As with all of us I have my own way of thinking and living, and for most of my life it has been basically Buddhism, but there is one quotation I like from the German philosopher Nietzsche:

The 'kingdom of Heaven' is a condition of the heart - not something that comes 'upon the earth' or 'after death'

and that passes to any religion or belief.

We are what we do, how we behave, the way we live our lives, and in the larger scheme of things it is not really very important which belief system we choose to follow.

Though there is also another Nietzsche quote which I find �fun�:

A subject for a great poet would be God's boredom after the seventh day of creation



Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/03/11 01:05 PM

Vielen dank Francine!! Glad you are on here. You know what is heart wrenching for me is that I have a couple priest friends that are absolutely COOL guys. They are spiritual and have never molested anyone. They love the Church and their parishioners. I do not blame the faulty ones alone for the dilemma of the organization. From the top down corruption has been allowed to exist and even encouraged by some within the church. When there is that much pressure on the little lowly priest he is going to snap. The house cleaning needs to start at the top and work down. When I screw up in life I have to make amends and BE sorry for what I have done. Why should any other man be different than myself. No different than the other churches, however, we need to learn how to truly love again and clean up our own act in order to be effective in a world of people that are NOT stupid and have ultimate worth. If they can not do that they will go by the wayside. Francine, I have a Buddhist friend or two also, I love the concepts and freedom that they know!! dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/04/11 04:49 PM

My son is a Buddhist teacher. He took up that faith many years ago after practically a life time of studying religions. From a very early age he asked questions and showed interest in beliefs and asked why, studied Nature, read bibles and other books on religion. He always loved The Tao. He is very much at peace with his belief system. I so love discussing his aand my beliefs with him. I veered off from strict Christianity a little when I began studying Native American beliefs and was drawn to the way of the Lakhota people. Black Elk, Oglala Lakhota Spiritual leader, became my spiritual teacher, even though he walked on many years ago to the land of his ancestors. My son and I always have a lot to talk about with our beliefs.

Yesterday was a day of revelations for me. I find that I am bringing more strengths into my belief system -- not something new but something ancient - something that I remembered that has been with me all along.

Many years ago, when I first began questioning the beliefs I was raised by, I had a profound dream one night. I did not fully understand the dream then and only remembered that I saw Jesus in Heaven. The dream, now that I remember the whole of it, had great enlightenment in it. This was my dream:

I was standing on Mother Earth, alone. It was dark and I could see no one near me or anywhere. I was very frightened and felt so very alone. I started crying and looked up to Heaven. I cried for help.

A woman dressed in long flowing beautiful robes appeared on a cloud high above me. The cloud and the woman was glowing with a bright light from beyond. The woman was larger than Mother Earth and at first I was startled and afraid. She asked me what I needed and I told her, "I cannot find Him. I am so afraid." and then I said the strangest thing - "Help me mother." I knew she was not my mother but I called her mother and that confused me even more.

The woman reached down to me and took my hand. As soon as she touched me I was on her cloud and she was then not much bigger than me. She asked me who I was looking for. "Jesus," I said and looked over at an extremely bright light, the sun. My eyes started burning and watering and I was blinded by the sun's light. She put her hands on my shoulders and said, "You are looking too hard. He is over there."

She turned me towards a path and I saw three men walking down the path towards a garden. I started running after them. They turned and looked at me and I stopped as Jesus, the one in the middle, held out his hand. He smiled at me with the most gentle look on his face and said, "You must go back, for it is not your time."


I woke up and the dream was still very vivid. I wrote it all down and put my journal away. I soon forgot about it. Yet over the years the dream popped into my mind once in awhile. I never really tried to figure it out, except that I went to Heaven and saw Jesus.

This morning, the dream came back to me and I instantly knew what it meant. The Mother Goddess had helped me when I cried out in fear and loneliness. When she told me I was looking too hard for my truths she meant that my truths were within me and had always been there - I had just been blinded (the sun) by so many untruths. She showed me Jesus and Jesus told me to go back for it was not my time. Jesus meant that I had a lot more to learn before I could come to the Kingdom of Heaven.

And here I am still, learning and growing ever more spiritual. The Mother Goddess is there when one calls upon her.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/04/11 05:50 PM

With tears in my eyes I am reading this beautiful post Phyllis. So many blessings, dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/04/11 06:05 PM

Yeah....I have been shedding tears of joy all morning. Thank you, Dave. Blessings to you.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/05/11 02:18 AM

You are a Lantern Carrier, Dave, as the rest of us here in this thread are. One small thread can grow to become a quilt that warms us all.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/05/11 02:56 PM

Thank you Phyllis, its always good to hear the praise of a friend. Let me add something to your statement. The enlightened people within my family always said," There is no me, there is just an US." When that reality sets in, there is truly no more sorrow, pain, tears, anxiety or any of the rest of this detrimental human baggage. They believed that that is how we transcend into other and all worlds, thusly we become eternal. We go home to come back no more yet while in this flesh. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/05/11 03:10 PM

I have always felt that we a only a part of the whole. That when we return home we return to the One. Is that the same as what you are saying in that there is no me, only US, Dave?
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/05/11 03:17 PM

Phyllis, what a beautiful and remarkable dream!!! It's truly amazing, and what a wonderful gift to have.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/05/11 03:21 PM

It seems rather odd to me, Deanna, that it took me so many years to interpret that dream fully. I am often good at helping others interpret their dreams -- and there mine sat for over two decades before I fully understood it.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/05/11 04:19 PM

Phyllis, Let me try to paint a picture. My studio door is open. Some people come for help for healing, some because their relationships suck. Some don't even know why they are here. I do not have all of their answers. I have no more wisdom than others down deep within. I am not the savior that Jesus was. I do not have the compassion that the great Mother has. The thing that I do possess, that is within us ALL, is love.

I have been asked dozens of times why I do not write books. If life revolved around money why would I waste my time on Bella or any other site. I do my readings and healing most of the time without pay. Some say that I am a fool. Like I give a rip!! My house is paid for, it is in excellent condition, I have just found out that my property is larger than the land that I currently thought that I owned, I have no large bills, on either side of the spectre LOL. Because I give freely, I have in abundance.

What this culture needs is to open their studio doors-HEARTS to others. Many forces in this culture would have us in fear- terrified to live or even breathe. That goes against every precept of the Great Mother. Man has boxed himself into a corner but by extending ones-self ,even just a little, towards others in a life giving flow that stronghold can be broken down. So many have said oh Dave, you are so cool. Bear with me here!! I am thankful for the kindness but those words don't impress me in the least. My question is,"Why aren't you cool?? Why do we have to worship another person in our culture? Whats wrong with each individual person being complete within themselves??

As far as I am concerned when that happens I can get the heck out of here and get on to the next leg of my journey, LOL Its not that I don't like living or love people because I do and I don't want to push fate. I just think that it is time in our evolutionary process that we esteem ourselves and each other. Its like in that movie The Field of Dreams when James Earl Jones said." I want people to start thinking for themselves. He said that he was tired of people always looking to him for the answers. There was ultimate wisdom in his words and the writers in that movie need to be commended for their genius.

Don't look to others for answers. Look within and you will see everything that you need. We are not sheep. We also are not stupid as some would have us think or want for their own selfish gain. There are a lot of I's in this post but just look past them far enough to see the WE. Blessed be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/05/11 05:12 PM

I am always in the process of learning. When I began opening my heart to understand and help others, I began learning more every day. Some precious gifts that have come to me within the last few years have made me more aware of what is within myself and more in harmony and balance with all Creation. What I learned over the weekend has put me in a place I have never been before and I feel very good about that. I still have many things to overcome or at least to understand. When one has been under the influence of others all their life then take off on their own truths, it is at times frightening, yet joyful at other times. It is like growing wings.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/05/11 05:44 PM

Exactly Phyllis!!! Excellent obs and insight. No one gets more afraid than we do at times or more hurt than we do in the process of helping others while watching them hurt until they are healed. We're not saints or super-humans, we're just the same as everyone else but just have a little different path than some others do. The hardest thing that anyone can do today is to stand firm within ones-self. No-one knows that more than the ones that have had to do it. Until people can learn that philosophy we need to encourage each other towards a oneness that will make this whole thing complete. I see in your attributes Phyllis that you are a life-spiritual coach. You are certainly qualified!!! There are spiritual masters walking the earth today and the ranks keep growing. We all need to keep the doors open. Be strong guys!! dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/05/11 05:59 PM

Thanks, Dave. I have to leave for the day. My sister is taking me up to the Sierras where we can walk out in Nature. My mom and brother are also going. I have to pack a my share of a picnic.

"Be strong" is a very good thing to be.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 07/11/11 11:16 AM

Eight or nine years ago I was doing some teaching and healing work on the west coast. A lady, whom I believe was from Norway, came in to the building. There was something very different about this lady and I felt a real kinship to her as soon as she entered the door. Usually I am not so bold especially upon a first encounter however I knew that I could not let this lady leave the building before I had a chance to talk to her.

She was looking at some books and I went over to talk to her. I asked if she was a spiritual lady. She looked very surprised and said immediately,"NO!" At that point I would have backed away probably in embarrassment as having been so bold however something inside said to keep going so I told her boldly,' Yes you are!!" She stared at me for a moment, composed herself, and then taking off her glasses asked if we could go over and sit down to converse. I gladly accepted.

I told her right up front that I knew some secrets about life that many others didn't and that I knew that she knew the same thing. She looked at me intently and hoping that she didn't turn me into a toad or something,LOL, I braced myself for her return reply. Surprisingly she opened up to me in an unbelievable fashion and started telling me about her Grandmother in very good English yet with a crisp Norwegian accent. She said that when her Grandmother was on her deathbed she called all of the grandkids around the bed to talk. Because her children were keenly aware of the spiritual gifts that this woman had they resisted going to the womans bedside and hindering the grandkids from going there either. They were afraid of such power and did not understand it.

The Grandmother wanted to pass this gift to one of them. I understood this completely as this happened to me when I was young. This lady that I was speaking to was just a child at that time and wanted to be by her Grandmother and even though the parents did not allow it she was able to look at her with a smile. The Grandmother looked back with a smile and it was transferred even though no touch was involved. This type of transference is not widely understood in modern times but it is nonetheless effective in the "birthing" of the family gifts from generation to generation. I understood it completely and told the woman such. She said," Yes, you have it also!!

She asked me if I was religious and I told her that I was not adamant about any religion. She said that her Grandmother nor she were religious either. She smiled but then her countenance changed as she told me the last words that her Grandmother told them all as best as she could remember them. She said ," The world is held under a mystical evil power of darkness." She then stated," The only way that one can survive it is to penetrate the veil of mesmerism that is imposed upon the earth in order to get past the death sentence placed upon humanity."

The parents just told the kids, "Don't listed to the old lady as she is dying, leaving her mind, and you can't listen to her words." This woman did hear her Grandmother however and in later years found out just how true the words were. After telling me that, the woman put her glasses on, stood up right away and left without saying another word. I asked her if I will ever see her again but there was no reply. Its almost as if she was scared to tell me these things. I wanted to tell her that I perfectly understood the situation and give her some ease in our new-found relationship. No luck.

Her Grandmother was absolutely spot on, so was mine!!! Many with ears still don't want to hear. Thank you for the four years!! Lisa, Phyllis, Deanna, Linda, and the rest, keep the lanterns lit!! Good bye. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/11/11 03:08 PM

Dave, our dear friend and brother, may all your journeys be blessed.
Thank you for your wisdom and sharing. Your spirit and light will always be with us and the Circle will grow. smile

Keep writing, keep sharing, and follow the music of your heart.
Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/11/11 04:03 PM

PS: We will keep a light in the window for you - and when
Avalon Is Calling I will be there.
Blessed Be
Phyllis
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/12/11 09:53 PM

Phyllis, how was your day in the Sierras?

Dave?? What a beautiful story! I hope to see you here again soon... Sweet journeys.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/13/11 02:08 AM

We had a lovely time in the Sierras. It was a little hot but we found a nice picnic table under the pines and it was shady. We drove around Nevada City after and looked at the lovely homes. We stopped for dinner later and did not get home till almost 9 PM.

It was a good day. My sister is so corny sometimes. She forgot to pay at the day use box before we went in. A Ranger came by and pleasantly scolded us and gave my sister her ticket to pay. On the way out she still could not find the box even though we kept telling her where it should be by the entrance. She stopped and put her ticket and chick in a storage box where they keep a fire hose. She said they will find it some day.

I got that book, Goddess At Home, and it is nice to dream about some of the rooms designed. It would cost a fortune though to design my bedroom the way it shows in the book. A little at a time and I should have an Aphrodite bedroom in about five years. laugh
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 07/14/11 12:41 AM

LOL.... Phyllis, I'm laughing about your sister and that check! Yes, someday they'll find it, and it will be a lovely surprise LOL!

Oooh, the book sounds lovely. Hmmm... five years, ay?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/15/11 06:59 PM

Well...it will take awhile to get my bedroom looking the way I want.

My sister is often very stubborn and funny. Unless there is a fire in that park and they need that particular fire hose, they may never find her check. I am so tempted to have my brother drive me back up there to get the check and put it in the box it belongs in. LOL
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/16/11 10:37 PM

I know a Lantern Carrier. I see him as a young man of the Old World who came by to bid us greetings and share his stories with us. When I see him in my visions, he is young, maybe about twenty-three, and exuberant, yet his spirit is as old as wisdom itself. He is slender and tall, dressed in the garb of a simple peasant -- yet he is rich in knowledge.

He carries with him always an ancient lantern that is lit by a candle that never wavers. The light glows through the little glass windows and sheds enlightenment on all who seek knowledge.

He travels in the realm of the Lantern Carriers, sent by the Mother Goddess to help those who are searching for their truths.

He is a friend and brother to all who know him. He goes where he is needed, shares his stories, then travels on to the next journey in his life.

He may come back here some day. When he is gone away, the influence of his Spirit remains with us.

He leaves behind love and wisdom.

Let us keep a lantern lit in the window for him.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 07/17/11 09:15 PM

Ok, Deanna - I got started on my bedroom redecorating. I have a little white satin box with a golden tassel on it. It looks like a little chest with a rounded top. I set it on the top shelf of my wrought iron unit that has hearts on the sides.

That is one step closer to the new goddess decor in my bedroom. smile
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 08/08/11 06:35 PM

Something has been bugging me for days. I can't seem to shake it. I have busied myself with other work but I need to repost something again. Here it is;
She gave birth to all of this and now rises to the cries of her own. The watchers and seers will speak when tyranny attempts to rule the people. The one who pours your coffee this morning is worthy, the one who holds the door for you at the hotel is worthy, the one who checks you out at the grocers is worthy. The one who does battle for you in hostile lands is worthy. The leaders of all are the SERVANTS of all. If they rule ruthlessly they will become the prey of the worthy.Let the leaders of the people hear that their sleep will not endure and their nights will never end until the least of these are again cared for. She is blessed and does not lie. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 08/08/11 06:39 PM

Hello, dear friend. It is always good to read your messages.
Blessed Be
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 08/08/11 10:54 PM

Hi Dave! It's good to see you.

I like your post. Is there something about it that's bothering you, or is this in response to something that was bothering you?

I do agree with this. Everyone has something special they are bringing to the party, and everyone is just as important as the next person.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 08/08/11 11:23 PM

Hey Deanna!!Just standing in what I know and who I am. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 08/08/11 11:42 PM

Hi Dave - always standing strong. Good to hear from you again. Blessed Be.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 08/18/11 08:55 PM

The secrets of the universe are found within the hearts of simple people, not in the complexities of the computer mainframe. They are found in the little humming bird in my wifes garden, and not in the bottom line. I'm gonna talk crazy here for a moment but just be a little crazy enough to listen. Sometimes when I go into an old abandoned farm home I can hear sounds from many many years ago. Singing around a piano or a pump organ, a little one crying, happy laughter, but I can also feel sadness.

Not long ago I went into one of those old abandon WW2 corrigated metal buildings a half a block long in a bad part of a city. The windows were mostly gone. The rain could come in very easily but it stood against the forces long enough for me to see and hear its story. I then heard loud noises of metal being moved and removed from one part to another. I heard a loud speaker with voices and messages and warnings. I heard an over head crane sounding a siren while it is going down the track to move more metal. I heard a foreman say"get to work!" and his men gladly did so because is was not long until quitting time and the days job would be done. Then there was silence.

Then an overwhelming sadness came over me. Many many people drew their livings from what this old building contained. It has no use anymore and was languishing. I felt it. It is like an old useful and wise person that we throw into a rest home to get them out of our way because thy don't fit into our modern politically correct world.

Then not far away I went into an old very large and beautiful abandoned church. I crawled into the organ loft. Pipes were strewn all over the place. Some of them bent beyond recognition and some of the little ones were just trampled down by feet flat with the windchest. As I sat there tears filled my eyes because it was speaking to me. " I used to play so beautifully and so many people sang to wonderfully." I put my hands on what was left of the case and stood close to it as if to give it a hug. Its all I could do????? When the beauty and grandeur and hope of a better life is gone from our culture I do not wish to be around anymore.

I left the church and was drawn back to the old WW2 building. I listen to nature and the forces of my surroundings. I sat on an old rusty metal rack of some kind to rest. Birds flew in and out of the windows. "What are you trying to tell me???" I asked. I sat for a while and..............nothing.

I was going to get up and leave but at that moment it became clear to me. We've got to start using our hands again. Some people are better furthering their education while others just need to work to have what they want and are satisfied with that. The building was asking me, "Where are they? They need to be here." As I drove home I could not help but feel the void of that old building plus the void in our people. What are we producing?? What are we making?? What really are we creating? If a farmer quits producing crops he will eventually not have even enough money to supply his family with food.

Now on the uptake. If an employer treats his employees right and appreciates them they will work their hearts out for him. That old languishing run down building told me the truth. Every country just as every person needs to contribute something that is needed for themselves and others whether an internal gift or expression or simply a product for the common market today. Then altogether we can better each other. Our kids need to quit texting and tweeting their brains out and learn how to work, to enjoy things in nature, and to understand that they need to be a part of the masses instead of the entitled. We have helped to do that to them. The rest of us had to do it, were made better for it, and that cycle will never end, at least on this earth. They will occupy these jobs of the future and be productive. Some with their minds and some with their hands and one is not above another nor esteemed likewise. Imagine an old crazy guy like me having such a talk with an old dilapidated building??? Just me and him or her, whatever. Blessed Be dave
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 08/22/11 05:57 PM

One of my Shaman students asked me the other day if I would show him how to move things with his mind. I asked him why he needed to know this stuff. He said the he thought that it would be totally COOL. I am sure that there are more than just a few of us that know at least a little about such stuff. We talked also about everyday things such as relationships. Part of being a healer is to "feel" the depth of the person that one is working with understanding that they for the most part are far more capable of handling truths about what it takes to "build" a balanced human being than most people think. This is not to say that I know what perfect balance is but what I have demonstrated seems to work so far, knock on wood!!!

I told my student that in order to have such a depth and skill with psychokinetic energy one must recognize the first-truths of living in completeness. Moving things with your mind is not eternal.Helping an elderly person across the street that is tired and worn from life is eternal and totally COOL. Whether we believe in a heaven or not such demonstrations are inscribed into eternity.Speaking a soft word of peace while someone is screaming at you is totally COOL. Showing a kid patiently how to thoroughly clean their room instead of yelling at them is totally COOL. Praying/ or sending positive energy for and speaking a kind word to another that is suffering is totally COOL.

The demonstration of such heightened spiritual activity is the hallmark of the knowledge of the great Mother. She cares for the well being of the earth and all upon it as well as the hidden (unseen) things. My family told me many times that my life does not come from the visible but from the invisible. It is like the wind. It is the most powerful and extensive natural force on the planet yet it cannot be seen by the natural eye. What is totally COOL is already within each of us. No-one does not have it within them in utter completeness. Blessed Be,,, dave
Posted By: GataChica

Re: The Goddess - 08/22/11 08:42 PM

Thanks Dave, for the reminder that the eternal and &quot;totally COOL&quot; is already inside me. It is like the Great 'Oz' and the Tin Man (Scarecrow, Cowardly Lion). Knowing ourselves and our own strength as it relates to the Goddess is eternal truth.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 08/22/11 09:08 PM

GataChia, Indeed we know ourselves and have much strength because of Her!! For me She is the eternal truth. Welcome to Bella and blessings to you!!!! dave
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 08/24/11 10:28 PM

GataChica, sorry for misspelling your name, dave
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 08/31/11 05:14 PM

There is no manual that falls out with kids when they are born so raising them is a first time one time only event and one kinda has to wing it, if you will..If you buy a simple toaster you get a manual with it. Whats wrong with this picture??? Oh well, I remember at times when I just wanted to smooze my way through parenting if I was tired and didn't want to take the time to teach them the correct way of accomplishing a goal. In other words I had to "live" what I spoke to them and they had to see that what I "lived" produced the correct results. No short cuts. In time if I spoke something that was from a high and lofty platitude yet I could not live up to what I was preaching they would tell me,"Sounds good Dad but it doesn't fly!!!

Getting back to the leaders of our country. We are reaching a point where our people are no longer lead with sweet smooth words of enticement. Its like my kids would eventually say, "Sounds Good but it doesn't fly." If my kids were going to be raised correctly I had to eventually accomplish the standard that I spoke into being. The leaders of our nation are no different. How far removed from reality do they think that we are??? Maybe it is not us little ones that are that far removed from what is real!!!!No more blame for another, quit talking and lead!! So mote it be. Blessed Be,,,dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/01/11 03:25 AM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman

Getting back to the leaders of our country. We are reaching a point where our people are no longer lead with sweet smooth words of enticement. Its like my kids would eventually say, "Sounds Good but it doesn't fly." If my kids were going to be raised correctly I had to eventually accomplish the standard that I spoke into being. The leaders of our nation are no different. How far removed from reality do they think that we are??? Maybe it is not us little ones that are that far removed from what is real!!!!No more blame for another, quit talking and lead!! So mote it be. Blessed Be,,,dave


Amen to that!

Dave, your posts always bring me to the place where I open my mind, heart, and soul to the great Mother. It has been a long road for me to come to where I am now. After being part of this forum thread for so long, reading your posts, and thinking back over my life, I realize that the great Mother has always been with me. She has helped me so many times when I thought I was alone with no support.

You are right about kids. Kids do not come with an instruction manual. Each child, each parent is different and each situation is unique to them. I raised my kids basically on my own. From the time my son was six, my daughter three, I was on my own. I had a little help from my mother in the beginning, but basically learned on my own what to do or not to do.

I learned fast and I learned the power of love. Love could always comfort and protect the child. A little "boo-boo" would miraculously disappear when gently cleaned. The time spent in my arms to let my child's tears subside as I sang to them and rocked them to sleep was healing for them. I gave them comfort, nourishment, shelter, all they needed for a feeling of security. I was a gentle mother, but, if anyone harmed my children or attempted to I was a raging fury!

I once lived in a little mountain town that I thought would be a good place for my daughter and I (my son was already out on his own) -- Nature and fresh mountain air, good people and all that. I soon found out it was a lawless town, hidden away and on its own.

I was considered a sweet, quiet, shy woman by all who knew me. One day, my daughter was threatened and in harm's way by a cowboy from the valley who thought he could come up to our little town and do as he pleased. I will not go in to detail with this story. The way it ended gave me and my daughter the safety and peace we needed. I put on my jeans, a tank top that would not inhibit my moves, and my "sh.t kickers". He survived, but I do not think he was able to walk for a few days at least. No one harmed me or attempted to stop me. I walked back home and started packing. We left that "peaceful" little mountain town.

Mothers can switch in a fraction of a second from gentle to ferocious if their young are attacked.

In the animal kingdom, it is the female who raises and nurtures their young. And it is the female who will kill if her young are in harm's way. It is only natural -- the female in the animal kingdom is more cunning, more powerful, and works from instinct. She will protect that which she gave birth to with full force. She represents life and if you mess with her or her young you are tempting death, for she is powerful.

Is this not a representation of the great Mother, the one who gave birth to all there is?

She is a gentle, loving Mother. She is the embodiment of love and beauty. She is always there to help those who need Her.

But watch out if you harm Her own!

The things that are happening in the world today are scary. People, for the most part, just sit back and ignore what is going on behind the scenes. If we do not wake up soon and do something about it we have only ourselves to blame. If we wake up some morning and see that all we love and honor, our way of life is gone, it will be too late for us. We must stand up and confront that which would destroy us if given the chance.

The great Mother will not stand idly by and watch for Her own to be trampled on. She will come forth with full fury and wreak havoc on those who are attempting to squash and dominate Her children, their safety, their way of life, their future.

Quote you again, Dave:

The demonstration of such heightened spiritual activity is the hallmark of the knowledge of the great Mother. She cares for the well being of the earth and all upon it as well as the hidden (unseen) things. My family told me many times that my life does not come from the visible but from the invisible. It is like the wind. It is the most powerful and extensive natural force on the planet yet it cannot be seen by the natural eye. What is totally COOL is already within each of us. No-one does not have it within them in utter completeness. Blessed Be,,, dave

She has sent warnings out that need to be paid attention to. She is not messing around and She will not allow the ones in control of governments to mess with Her or Her own.

If we turn to the great Mother and ask for Her help, She will be there for us. Blessed Be...Phyllis
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/01/11 10:32 AM

Phyllis, you have been birthed into a new life!! She is a force unlike any other and no-one harms her kids!!!!! You are right on and I am happy for you beyond words!! I have never seen so much love in my entire life as that which comes from the real Source of our being.

I want to share a little something with you; Many many years ago my Grandfather, my dads dad, told me about an event that was life changing for us all. He was a born again Christian man as were his parents and he told me how it all started. In the early days the Sunday morning "meeting" was an all day affair at the Dutch Hope Reformed Church. He and his parents were Dutch who spoke fluent German likewise Netherlands Dutch. After one meeting in those early days the family arrived home and went out to milk. As my Granddad set up for milking, getting down the one legged stools, washing udders, and arranging cream cans, he unexpectedly stood up and began running back and forth in the barn. His parents just looked at him with a big smile as they knew what really was happening. The morning meeting must have been quite inspiring to him!!! He said that he could not keep his feet still. He could not help himself and he began singing even though he could not carry a tune in a bucket. He began to laugh, and then cry and then he said that he could not contain the joy that seemed to stream like a river from inside of him. His words were this," Jesus touched me in a way that I cannot explain."

My Grandmother, a cauldron stirring, spell casting, and supposed child of utter darkness, according to much of the church world, also listened to his words. She was also smiling because she knew the power of such love as she knew beyond the shadow of a doubt from where her life also came. As kids we just listened with wide eyes to his description of the days events. It was this event that helped me into a deeper understanding of myself, the power of a belief system, and the fact that there is no greater power in the universe than unconditional love. In later years that became clearer and clearer to me.

My Grandmother loved this old man and he love her beyond words. Unfortunately many people have no concept of that kind of love and what is furthermore most unfortunate is that they have a wonderful and potentially life giving belief system already in place. Do you remember the old song "Sweet Mystery of Life at last I found you?" It was sung by Nelson Eddy and Jeanette McDonald. Well, I think that my family found what humanity has always searched for. A love that takes one into a world where death has no more affect and truly no more sting. Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/01/11 12:30 PM

Phyllis, Let me add something here; YOU HAVE TAKEN BACK YOUR POWER!! If any one on here is in objection to any of what you have spoken they might want to consider that they themselves have been stripped of their own power due to whatever reason and can not tolerate your expression. This is the krapp that our culture has been steeped in. Why do you think that for 500 years we have sought the truth so vehemently within my family??? Maybe I am not the last in my line!!! dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/01/11 06:36 PM

Dave, thank you. I feel good after writing what comes from within. I also feel that much of it was not from my mind, but my soul and the Mother.

Many years ago I attended a lecture in a little book shop in San Jose, California. The speaker was a woman, a psychic/seer. After telling us about herself and her books, she had us stand in a circle (about 25 people) and hold hands as she prayed for guidance then we had a few minutes of silence.

When we opened our eyes she looked directly at me and said, "Someone just touched you?" I admitted that I did feel a hand on my shoulder. She said it was Jesus and He had a message for me - that I would "walk alone for many years, yet never be alone." I find this to be true. The great Mother is always there, Jesus is always there. I am never alone even when I appear to be.

I have been blessed with knowing who my true love is - he is my twin soul. I love him beyond all earthly desire and am able to sense him close to me at the calling of our spirits. I often shed tears when my heart is aching and my soul crying out for him. I want so much to talk with him about this, yet I cannot -- he is on another journey in life and I must respect and honor his chosen path. The spiritual bond and relationship joy and peace I have with him far outweighs the physical sad times.

Sometimes I break down and cry it out or walk and meditate in Nature to get through the most difficult times. Yet the great Mother is always there to make sure I do not crumble into nothingness. I am learning more every day how to turn to Her and what to say to Her, what to ask for.

Yes, I have taken back my power. I feel I have been set free. I wish every woman in the world would stand up and take back her power, her given right to say what is in her heart and soul, to stand up against a society that is dominated by those who tell us we must behave, dress, think, believe in certain ways. It is past time for the women of the world to stand up and say, "I have taken back my power and I WILL BE WHO I AM!"

I thank you for your encouragement and support, Dave.
Phyllis, Blessed Be

Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/01/11 07:32 PM

Woman, you have entered into the eternal!!!! There is no power on earth above or below that can now remove you from your place. If I may, let me give you a little encouragement here if any is even needed!!!!! You will soon learn that you have no need of "sh.t kickers" in the physical realm. Your mere thoughts and will, very silently yet stealthfully, have the potential to "change" any situation that is needed no matter how big or small. Remember that the great Caesar, Seti, Cleopatra, or any other great leader of any nation knew the principal of "So mote it be." In their words they may have put it like this," So it is written or spoken, so shall it be." We have no less power within ourselves than any of them. Also remember that in the least of any one of us beings is the totality of the power of the universe!!! BANK ON IT!!!! Now I will retreat back into the humble little old supposedly crazy yet benign dave. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/01/11 07:44 PM

I put my "sh.t kickers" away a long time ago - when I walked out of that bar and no longer felt alone in this world. I think I left them in that old house I was living in up in the mountains.

I have all I need within me. That "humble little old supposedly crazy yet benign dave" is my brother and friend - take good care of him.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/02/11 10:18 AM

Done!!! ------- Phyllis, there are realms beyond realms and there are no barriers between them unless we allow them. Look carefully at your twin flame-soul mate. Sometimes when we construct a barrier of spirit due to the customs of our culture we suffer what we believe is "separation." When I say that we go "home", even while there is breath in our body, the barriers also leave. If truly our life comes from the invisible then there is no separation. Enjoy the ride Phyllis and quit suffering. You and your twin flame walk together in a deeper way than even this mesmerized world can tolerate!!! That is and has ever been the eternal plan and it is happening. One day we will no longer need this flesh as we are ascending daily and what was once imperfect is being returned to the eternal in singular perfection. Its where we all came from. That is where we will return. Each expression together eventually returns to the totality of what has existed since before the foundation of the universe. dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/02/11 01:23 PM

I am understanding more each day, Dave. So, the barrier of spirit that I created between here alone and in spirit with my twin is keeping me from fully enjoying my special time with him. Is that correct? I am not separated from him, I walk with him always. Is this why I am able to carry on daily in this realm and why I need to relax and just let it be?

I am with him daily in another realm. I connect to that realm when I feel his presence near me in waking hours or am with him in spirit when I am sleeping. Just like the Wee Folk and the Little People -- they are there in another realm. Sometimes we see, hear, or know of their presence. Whether we are aware of them or not, they are there.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/03/11 03:56 PM

Do you remember when Star Wars first came out. My family and I went to see it. I cannot remember who first spoke it in the movie but "May the force be with you." energized me to my core. I think I remember saying loudly right after it was spoken, "YES, YES, YES!!! My kids had to poke me in the arm and say, "Dad your embarrassing us!" Then when Obie told Luke as he was adjusting his glasses that assisted him in shooting accuracy," Let go Luke and use the force. Luke took off his glasses and trusted his inner being and then again I became somewhat loud to where again my kids said, " We are never taking you to another movie again!!!!" My point being is that the internal, eternal gyroscope, sonar, radar, direction seeker, and guide is already built within each one of us. This whole world is waking up to this fact and it is about time!! Phyllis, there is nothing that is not yours and no relationship that you are not worthy of in its fullness. My last point, if this natural world is totally flawed which it is, then by entering into the invisible and eternal realm of life there are NO more limitations!!! Yet in this life will we see. Blessed Be,,,,dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/03/11 07:40 PM

Dave, I can so imagine you releasing the joy of energy in the theatre house. laugh A spontaneous expression of truth and joy is beautiful. This is SO delightful! "May the force be with you." is a powerful statement. "Let go and use the force." -- what a great thing to remember as we struggle to try and get through many issues in our lives. If we just get out of our own way and let the "force" be with us, life would be so much easier. I cannot tell you how many times I have stood in my own way of spiritual growth. When I step aside and let my spirit and the "force" lead me, I am far better off. Taking off my glasses and trusting my inner being always leads me in the right direction.

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Phyllis, there is nothing that is not yours and no relationship that you are not worthy of in its fullness. My last point, if this natural world is totally flawed which it is, then by entering into the invisible and eternal realm of life there are NO more limitations!!! Yet in this life will we see. Blessed Be,,,,dave


I am finding out more each day, Dave, that this is so very true. I find fewer and fewer limitations as I open up more to the realms beyond this one and communicate with the great Mother.
Blessed Be
Phyllis
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/03/11 08:52 PM

Discussing other realms makes me think of the time I became fascinated with designing my own dream home. I have always loved Victorian type houses. So I designed my own on scrap paper. I was so thrilled with it that I bought graph paper pads, a good pencil set, special erasers, rulers, a compass, and recopied my "dream home" in neat floor plans.

I had the basic Victorian home, parlour, front room, formal dining, one bedroom and bath downstairs, a large kitchen, pantry with working space/counters, and utility room off the back porch, and four bedrooms and a bath upstairs (and of course a full attic). I would study the plans and imagine myself living there. Then I would redraw the plans because I found I would need a library and craft room, or other special rooms. Eventually my dream home was enormous with so many rooms. Each room had at least one door and an alcove leading into it. Over time, my "home" became so complicated that it was like an ancient castle.

Has anyone ever visited the Winchester Mystery House in San Jose, California? Now there is a complicated house. There are rooms in the original floor plans that have no entrance to them. There are four (I think, maybe more) kitchens and only one can be found. There are stairs leading to nowhere. There are doors opening to a blank wall or to outside (on the second floor) with nothing but air and a drop to the grounds. It is a fantastic place to visit. Sarah Winchester (Winchester Rifle heiress) built it to house all the lost spirits that were killed by the rifles of her late beloved husband.

I have visited the house many times. There are several different tours one can take and they go through different parts of the house. It is so huge that one tour would take far too many hours to complete in a day. One not familiar with the house could easily become lost.

Most people who visit the house are timid and nervous, afraid of encountering spirits, or just there for the "spookiness" of it. I have always felt a strong sense of belonging there. I could easily live there in comfort and peace. I love that house!

I relate houses with many rooms to the spiritual realms. One room leads to another where there is another door, or more, that lead to other rooms.

When one enters another realm, there are doors that lead to yet another. The choices we make, the realms we visit, opens up new thoughts and knowledge for us. We may become confused and lose our way, or we have a strong sense of the right direction to take and never get lost.

What a joy to explore many rooms, many realms.
Blessed Be...
Phyllis

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/15/11 07:36 AM

Most of humanity has forgotten the simple life when all that was needed for daily survival was shelter, sustenance, and caring for loved ones. Our ancestors took only what they needed from Earth and gave back to it by caring and planting. Nothing was wasted. Every scrap of edible plants, roots, herbs, meat, fowl, and fish was eaten or dried for winter months when food would be scarce.

Every scrap of animal hide was used for clothing, footwear, shelter, and pouches for simple tools. Prayers of gratitude was given to the spirit of animals that sacrificed their life so the two-legged could survive.

The ancients spent their daily life in prayer for everything they did, everything they needed. They were taught by their ancestors, who were taught by the great Mother. Those who opened up to listen and hear the words of Her knew how to survive, heal, learn, and see the spirituality in all of life. Even the plants had spirits that the ancients gave thanks to when taking what they needed. They never took more than what they needed, and gave gifts in return -- maybe a small vessel or lovely flowers were left for the spirit of the plant to show appreciation.

The ancients cared for the Earth and respected it. The great Mother is not content with the way most of humanity today have forgotten.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 09/15/11 01:13 PM

Hello Phyllis,

Your post struck a chord with me! I recently read the fascinating book "The Season of the Witch" by Natasha Mostert. The 3 main characters, two sisters and a hacker, possessed advanced mental powers and practiced the art of memory. The art of memory included alchemy and the creation of a memory palace in their minds. A thought provoking subject to be sure....... making houses in our minds!

Yes, life on this earth is very complicated. I crave a simpler existance. How much do we truly need? Something to eat, somewhere to sleep, a roof over our heads and clothing.

What does this come down to? Distinguishing our needs vs. our wants.

Energy is neither created nor destroyed and is always there, changing shape and form. Our great mother Gaea will ensure that BALANCE is reached. Of this I am certain; the repercussions are great! We are witnessing them on a daily basis: floods and fires, tsunamis and earthquakes, massive amounts of marine life washing up on shores...... Animals know more than we do at times.

Despite the calamities, all is as it should be.

How right you are that respect of all life, human, animal and plant is of the essence.

We are all in this together and in the wise words of the Lion King....we are all connected in the great circle of life.

Blessed be.

PS I've never been to the Winchester House but it sound so very enticing!
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/15/11 11:42 PM

Hi Anna,

Yes, the Winchester House is very comforting to me. Many think it is spooky - even too scary to enter. I just find peace there and a little sadness. The spirits, some of them, are lost -- others are quite content and harm no one.

The great Mother is sending warning signs, I believe, that we must remember we are all related. Mita kuye ayasin - we are relatives. Everything and everyone on all of Creation is all a part of the whole. When we injure one thing, one person, we only damage our self.

Our great Mother will show us how to achieve harmony and balance if we but listen to her. Blessed Be.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 12:43 AM

Hi Phyllis-Folk/Myth, &quot;The great Mother is sending warning signs, I believe, that we must remember we are all related. Mita kuye ayasin - we are relatives. Everything and everyone on all of Creation is all a part of the whole. When we injure one thing, one person, we only damage our self. Our great Mother will show us how to achieve harmony and balance if we but listen to her. Blessed Be.&quot; My name is Burt B. and I AM extremely androgynous this is the rise of The Mother Flame and the cult and culture of The Divine Mother. Now, if enough people decide to listen to ISIS then there will be less cataclysm and catastrophe -- but, what if they do not -- nor do the leaders with their constant bickering -- then what? What I'm asking is that what course of action can we as aware spiritual beings take to help and assist? Also, must there be a 51% critical mass of the people who desire the Father/Motherhood of GOD ?? Is their the possibility of losing the planet? Please Reply. -- Burt B.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 01:20 AM

Hi Burt B.

I do not think there is a possibility of losing the planet -- I do, however, believe that the way the "leaders" are taking us is wrong. Isis is the matron of Nature and magic. She listens to the prayers of the wealthy as well as the downtrodden and is a friend to the humble and enslaved.

Those who do not listen to what the great Mother is warning of will just go along with their way of life and may never know the deep peace that spiritual people find.

We, as spiritual beings, begin with a lantern and carry it with us. We take light to those who need to find their way. We reach out to one person at a time and the circle grows. We remain steadfast in our desire to bring forth the simple ways of our ancestors who lived in and with Nature. I do not mean to give up all that we need today -- I meant that to learn how to walk in harmony, balance, and peace with all Creation and to respect all life is a start in bringing about world peace.

A lantern carrier can take enlightenment to those who seek peace and a way of spiritual growth.

Each of us, whether we know it or not, has the power of bringing about world peace. We each have our own unique energies and ways of reaching out and touching the hearts and souls of those who are lost or confused.

Have you ever helped an elderly person who is alone and needs assistance to walk across a busy street? Have you ever helped a lost child find the parent they are crying for? Have you ever visited a lonely person who has no family and is living in a rest home? Have you ever stood up at a town hall meeting and said "I disagree with the way government controls us -- the people in government work for us!"

We see the grateful smiles of the lost and lonely when we reach out to them. We see the hope of a confused person when we give them some light. We see the nods and hear the applause of others when we stand up for our rights.

There are oh so many ways to reach out and help the little flicker of light grow into a bonfire of the desire of humanity to live with peace and love.

Why is it so difficult for our leaders to see this and why must they put blinders on as to what the people really want? They have forgotten the "people" and are now working for their own gains, accumulating their own personal power status.

We vote them in - we can vote them OUT!

If you can clarify your statement/question I might have some thoughts on this:

"Also, must there be a 51% critical mass of the people who desire the Father/Motherhood of GOD ??"

smile

PS: In the APPALACHIA FORUM there is a post by Ancientflaxman that really touched my heart and made me think of how different humanity is today compared to the people who lived simple lives -- the people who knew that love and support of others was one of life's main priorities, the basics of life. I think you will enjoy reading it, Burt. smile

Blessed Be...
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 02:00 AM

Gee Phyllis, Only Posts: 13830... um.. a little bird told me that you're slipping and need to get with the program !! ;) Love the word Extraordinaire.. Pretty :) !! You're going to have to help me get html enabled and ubbcode so I can do the cool font work you do. Funny how the universe works... I'm monitoring the Early_History_of_the_Appala and I'm trying to send that to my wife on her Sprint HTC -- no joy... Connie is from that area... any suggestions?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 02:17 AM

Also, must there be a 51% critical mass of the people who desire the Father/Motherhood of GOD... I'm thinking in terms of spiritual science... everyone has free-will, Mother Nature is in travail... cataclysm is trying to wake all of us dullards.. self included as I'm part of the lifewave.. I used to run around with a bumper-sticker that said, &quot; God is Coming Back and Boy is She [censored] &quot;... the shoppe that I got it from got burned down for being witchcraft um... whatever.. no one got hurt... how in the hell do you battle ignorance without getting killed ? I try my very best not to judge the person but the principle -- Connie and I run a little mom &amp; pop motel business and try and set an example of decency to the street people... anyway I'm glad the internet matured enough... this is only my 2nd foray into, &quot;social networks&quot; 'cause many moons ago it was just ugliness... the 1st one is this: bipolarorwakingup &lt;dot&gt; ning &lt;dot&gt; com I'm all over that like flys on you know what... if you are inclined check it out... and you'll find out what kind of freekazoid utopian impractical dreamer.. me is and may want to bar further contact... hope not, but hey... truth hurts. -- Burt B.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 02:31 AM

laugh So - I am "slipping", huh? And by whose authority do you determine that? Do I know this "little bird" you speak of? And whose "program" do I need to "get with"? smile

I have my own program and my own pace, Burt. Writing for five web sites, keeping up with several networking sites, a blog, working on three books to be published, etc., etc, etc.... calls for my own program and pace. cool

I do not put the words under my avatar -- that is the webmaster of this site who has a program that puts a label on each members icon status. Under your avatar, you will notice the word "Newbie", which means you are new and have posted less than a certain amount of posts. When you go above that number, you will get a new label. I am not sure what the numbers required are for each label. Mine happens to be "Extraordinaire" - nice, huh?

Now - suggestions for getting the text from Early History of the Appalachia to Connie?....actually, I do not know. The only suggestion I have is to have her log on BellaOnline as a member and read the posts herself. Would that be possible?

Since I am not a manager of this site, only a humble editor/monitor, I cannot help you get the html enabled, or the ubb codes. You have to post a specific # of posts before you can do that.

Hmmm...try this:

If you want to put in a link, click on the second little icon just above the text box when you are in an edit mode. To be in an edit mode, you will have to start a new thread, or click on 'Reply' to an existing thread post (rather than just typing in the open box under the last post). Does this make sense?

When you click on the "Create a link to a web page" icon, a little box will pop up - enter your link there and click enter. The little box will pop up again and you type in the name of your link, like I did: APPALACHIA FORUM.

See how that works and we will go from there. Okey, dokey, jokey?

Now then - let us not take this thread any more off-topic - we need to stick to the topic of the title. If you have any further questions not related to this topic, please send me a PM.

I thank you.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 03:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Also, must there be a 51% critical mass of the people who desire the Father/Motherhood of GOD...

I'm thinking in terms of spiritual science... everyone has free-will, Mother Nature is in travail... cataclysm is trying to wake all of us dullards.. self included as I'm part of the lifewave.. I used to run around with a bumper-sticker that said, " God is Coming Back and Boy is She [censored] "... the shoppe that I got it from got burned down for being witchcraft um... whatever.. no one got hurt... how in the hell do you battle ignorance without getting killed ? I try my very best not to judge the person but the principle -- Connie and I run a little mom & pop motel business and try and set an example of decency to the street people... anyway I'm glad the internet matured enough... this is only my 2nd foray into, "social networks" 'cause many moons ago it was just ugliness... the 1st one is this: bipolarorwakingup <dot> ning <dot> com I'm all over that like flys on you know what... if you are inclined check it out... and you'll find out what kind of freekazoid utopian impractical dreamer.. me is and may want to bar further contact... hope not, but hey... truth hurts. -- Burt B.



Hey, I missed this. We must have been typing and posting at the same time.

I just go with my inner feelings and talk with the great Mother when I feel a need for guidance - which is often, I must admit. No one is perfect. Perfect beings are not on Earth.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 03:09 AM

How does one battle ignorance without getting killed? Well, we just keep trying. We all have to go home sometime - there is no death, only other realms.

Is there a Shangri-La, like in Lost Horizon?

Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 06:09 AM

You guys are incredible!! I almost hate to interject my tiny thoughts here as there is such a beautiful flow of spirit going on but indulge me for a moment please.

Critical mass has already been reached. We don't live according to numbers, time or space. One can speak over 10,000 and it is finished. I have spoken this before and will restate it. Speak what is deep within you and nothing can refute or diminish your expression or decree. No such power exists except the spoken word but it must be spoken in that power.

Man believes himself to be under the forces of earthly laws and rules governed by fear and he deceives himself. There is no fear in the realm of the eternal. When the deceitful ruler says that he will have it his way he indeed will have it EXACTLY the way that he wants it but he will find that that is not at all what he dreamed that it would be. Everybody can have just what they want, that is a promise, but be very very sure, especially as circumstances change, that what you have asked for is now what you really want. There is a cosmic wisdom that supersedes earthly thinking and that is the flow that we must tap into.

No this world is not going to be destroyed by evil and man has the ability to save himself but we have to consider that in finality what others do has really no bearing on our journey or destination. 50,000 can fall down dead around you and you can still be steadfast in your path. If no-one ever spoke to you again, so what??? Do we need everybody elses approval just to be us????

My dad used to tell us kids that we need to be really proud because our ancestor was considered the second apostle of Germany, the doctor of the church, and cononized one of the greatest saints in Christendom. Us kids used to look at each other when he was on one of his pompous podiums and cross our eyes and stick our tongues out sideways at each other. None of us kids were of such a callabre. My point being here is that maybe dad knew a principle that was steadfast reasoning even though we little monsters made fun of it. I am not just speaking of us kids but of all of us.

This culture not only accepts that we as people are little lowly miserable unworthy beings but insists that we also believe it which is the root cause of the phenomena of the "haves and the have nots." If we all revered each other and ourselves there would eventually be no have nots. Those that have greed as their lifes mainstay would want us to believe no differently than our culture currently teaches. Sorry, I am not in that number. I am somebody very very special and an asset to this world but I am SO not alone. The power in the universe lies within each heart but we have got to start believing it and speaking in its power. Those that we esteem as rulers usually don't. Those lurking in the shadows , in the unseen actions of local and world affairs- the invisible, have a hold on the reins. There is no power over them yet those in power will never see them. I can speak of these things but there are masters of spirituality walking the earth today who far surpass me in every facet of their lives. This is why we don't look at man because he is but illusionary but that eternal internal invisible is all seeing and all powerful.

I hope that this makes sense. Sometimes I cannot speak maybe exactly what I am thinking and for that I ask for your understanding. Lets sum it all up with these words; The least are the greatest. We must never overlook another principle. Sometimes the destined greatest must become the least to become truly great again. Blessed be.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 03:11 PM

You guys are incredible!! I almost hate to interject my tiny thoughts here as there is such a beautiful flow of spirit going on but indulge me for a moment please. Not at all ancientflaxman, in fact I AM Grateful for your input. Critical mass has already been reached. We don't live according to numbers, time or space. One can speak over 10,000 and it is finished. I have spoken this before and will restate it. Speak what is deep within you and nothing can refute or diminish your expression or decree. No such power exists except the spoken word but it must be spoken in that power. Then I take it that you do formalised decree work utilising The Science of The Spoken Word?tm Man believes himself to be under the forces of earthly laws and rules governed by fear and he deceives himself. There is no fear in the realm of the eternal. When the deceitful ruler says that he will have it his way he indeed will have it EXACTLY the way that he wants it but he will find that that is not at all what he dreamed that it would be. Everybody can have just what they want, that is a promise, but be very very sure, especially as circumstances change, that what you have asked for is now what you really want. There is a cosmic wisdom that supersedes earthly thinking and that is the flow that we must tap into. No this world is not going to be destroyed by evil and man has the ability to save himself but we have to consider that in finality what others do has really no bearing on our journey or destination. 50,000 can fall down dead around you and you can still be steadfast in your path. If no-one ever spoke to you again, so what??? Do we need everybody elses approval just to be us???? My dad used to tell us kids that we need to be really proud because our ancestor was considered the second apostle of Germany, the doctor of the church, and cononized one of the greatest saints in Christendom. Us kids used to look at each other when he was on one of his pompous podiums and cross our eyes and stick our tongues out sideways at each other. None of us kids were of such a callabre. My point being here is that maybe dad knew a principle that was steadfast reasoning even though we little monsters made fun of it. I am not just speaking of us kids but of all of us. This culture not only accepts that we as people are little lowly miserable unworthy beings but insists that we also believe it which is the root cause of the phenomena of the &quot;haves and the have nots.&quot; If we all revered each other and ourselves there would eventually be no have nots. Wow... This truly is practical solution !!:)!!! Bravo !!! Those that have greed as their lifes mainstay would want us to believe no differently than our culture currently teaches. Sorry, I am not in that number. I am somebody very very special and an asset to this world but I am SO not alone. The power in the universe lies within each heart but we have got to start believing it and speaking in its power. Those that we esteem as rulers usually don't. Those lurking in the shadows , in the unseen actions of local and world affairs- the invisible, have a hold on the reins. There is no power over them yet those in power will never see them. I can speak of these things but there are masters of spirituality walking the earth today who far surpass me in every facet of their lives. This is why we don't look at man because he is but illusionary but that eternal internal invisible is all seeing and all powerful. I hope that this makes sense. Sometimes I cannot speak maybe exactly what I am thinking and for that I ask for your understanding. Lets sum it all up with these words; The least are the greatest. We must never overlook another principle. Sometimes the destined greatest must become the least to become truly great again. Wow that rings a bell... I got a little to arrogant for myself and had to be taken down many rungs of the ladder. Looking forward to your reply... -- Burt B. Blessed be.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 03:37 PM

Burt, I don't sense an arrogant bone in your body. You lead in fullness simply because you are willing to set aside opinion making room for the greater substance of reality. Thats the mark of a leader!! They are also the most teachable. You're home dude!!!! I am more than happy that you are on here!! Welcome!! Blessed be, dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 06:12 PM

Thank You Dave, that's very comforting to me... I have become a recluse because my ideas being kind to all different groups became a source of hatred that I could not deal with anymore. My only hope now is to stop the warring within, maintain as much harmony as I can and offer myself to the universe as a transceiver of the subtle electromagnetic vibrations of grace. I was diagnosed with bi-bolar at the age of 16yrs and have been in mental institutions and jail ever since. My family is gone now, at it caused them great pain and suffering. I'm 49 now, and this video by Terence Mckenna pretty much sums it up -- I just didn't know there were other people like me.. sad.. but hey, better now, I met you and Phyllis !!:)!!! Anyway, I don't want to disrupt the balance and flow and topic material of this thread.. but it sure is nice to feel welcome after all these years..youtube &lt;dot&gt; com/watch?v=ZEglHjd_gUQ&amp;feature=player_detailpage
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/16/11 06:56 PM

You are doing just fine, Burt. Welcome to the forum. I forgot that to be able to post a link, you have to have made over 60 posts, or somewhere around there.

I am glad you are feeling better about yourself after all you have been through. Keep your chin up and open up to the energies and potential within you.

For more options on how your posts look (you asked me earlier about this), click on 'Reply' under the last post rather than just starting to type in the open box. When you click on 'Reply' to the last post, the edit box will pop up and you will have access to the fonts, smileys, etc.

Notice the line of buttons across the top of the edit box which begin with the Smiley. If you want some words in color, for instance, just highlight the words you want to color, click on that A with the colors beneath it and choose your color.

For bold letters/words, highlight the words and click on the B above - or the I for italic, U for underline, etc.

I have never used the 'Create a link to an email' button so I am not sure how that works.

So then - you will get this thing with the fonts and all eventually.

How are you doing spiritually? What is your belief system? Do you find this thread helpful for you?

We are all here to help each other. We already have all we need within us, we just have to let our light and energies shine forth.

I often think of Dave as a Lantern Carrier, one who brings light to others. Our circle here grows with each lantern we light. I strive to be a Lantern Carrier by helping others, too. We all are on a spiritual journey and it is helpful to have others to chat with along the way. Blessed Be....
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 12:34 PM

How are you doing spiritually? Scared and Sluggish that's why I'm reaching out here. What is your belief system? When I found occult teachings in the Summer of 1983 as released through Mark L. and Elizabeth Clare Prophet I had an extremely powerful mystical experience confirming the material was valid. A series of events transpired after I flew home to Michigan after checking out the organization in Los Angeles, everyone thought I was in a cult and I ended up in a mental hospital again. Do you find this thread helpful for you? Yes, but I'm skittish. I just felt that I had been carrying around this dirty little secret that God lives within us, because every-time I tried to talk to anyone about it I got rejected and hated. So, I became a recluse, because all I wanted to do was read about God, God and more God to the point of not being able to care for myself physically. I've just been reading some Annie Besant about what she said about being a recluse. Some good some bad.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 12:57 PM

Burt, you have disrupted nothing here. You are supposed to be here. Burt, the one who is rejected becomes the chief. That principle is true in more than one religion and it is definitly true in the realm of the spiritual. I keep using the word "leader" around you and Phyllis. Both of you are very strong people. It is many times the supposed hang ups and troubles that we have that propel us to who we really are.

When I was young I tried to help my dad see some spiritual things. He would sometimes retort with this statement," Oh yea Dave, you are right and the world is wrong, Right???" At that age those kind of words really put me into a ditch. You know Burt, today I see that what he was saying was right on!!!! I should have seen it back then!!! The "flaws" that this modern world points out about so many people that are different than the "norm" are actually gifts. While we go through them they don't seem like gifts but they are the most useful propellant to speed us into the "real" being within. Thats why they are there.

I used to work in a state hospital as a supervisor. It was a place for the mentally retarded, criminally insane, and sexual deviants. I taught them how to punch a time clock and do assembly work as private companies contracted with the state to have us do such assembly jobs. I look for the "gold" in people and not the problems. When I gained their trust I would have private conversations with them to see and find out their real story.

One man whom I will call Jim told me that he heard voices and that is why he was there. I told him that I heard voices as some spiritual people do. I told him that we learn over time to dismiss the voices that would give us negative information or lies. We can then differentiate between the ones that are now for our benefit. Our ancestors, spirit guides, and even other spiritual friends can speak to us when we have a need for some guidance. It is, in fact, quite normal for some very spiritual and very balanced individuals to experience this. We became fast friends and Jim soon heard less voices and began to "create" his own voices that would guide him in a more productive journey in his life.

Trust me, the state did not have a clue about such a method of healing but someday I hope that they can learn this. I had to get out of there eventually as their methods showed me in short order that they were more about private contract money than really helping the people who did the work for them. Our world is blind and that is why so many people are so lonely and "put on" faces of content and happiness instead of being really so. Playing the game so to speak.

Its funny but sometimes I wondered who was more insane, the patient or the rest of the staff and the state????? In any case many are gifted with things that we consider detriments in this culture. Thats another bass ackward concept that is traditionally popular in our culture. Oh well, I will get off of my soap box now but just want you to know that the Mother Goddess-great Mother people are truly all about healing and respect for all of life. There are also many others that believe in the "wholeness" and balance of the person. Blessed be
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 01:21 PM

I went through the Sheltered Workshop program here in Florida they paid $15 for 80hrs of light industrial.. yep. got the T-Shirt !! I appreciate your perception of leadership but I don't lead anyone -- that's a big reason that I feel like a failure. I'm a recluse. I get upset because if these were truly gifts then I would be in the political arena helping a lot of people... Instead, I sit and read day in and day out. But, I sure do appreciate reading what you have to say... You're a very highly evolved and highly motivated individual. Kinda neet to have met your acquaintance. I still get afraid and bummed out that I did not fulfill God's Mission the way he wanted it. I heard voices too... Now, as far as the Goddess is concerned, I reincarnated with a lot of hatred of the mother from the time of Atlantis. I got spurned when I was 16yrs.. that was the first time I was hospitalized. I became bi-sexual for a time, and when I had a chance to marry a virgin... I did not.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 02:16 PM

If you will relax a little for a moment Burt I will stay with you. Take one thought at a time, not 25 of them. You alone consider yourself a failure. You are NOT a failure. You also do NOT want to be in the political arena. You are in the process of healing and you will fight that for now. That is O.K. to a point. Now I have to correct something that you have spoken. Gods mission for you is to be healed first. No-one can help another person until they themselves get what they need. If you wish to fight then I will no longer be here. If you wish to learn and become the person that you want to and that is down deep within you then everyone on this site will jump in to help you in any way that they can. The choice is yours!! dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 02:27 PM

No more fighting... I don't fight.. Healing is what we are after. I just want to contribute something of worth. Now let's talk more Goddess stuff.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 02:29 PM

Like what is her history? Why was she suppressed through the Christian era with male-dominated Patriarch? When she comes to the fore now.. how can we integrate with her?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 02:35 PM

The Alphabet Versus the Goddess: The Conflict Between Word and Image is a book a friend of mine recommended
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 02:53 PM

Lets not worry about Her just now. Relax and just know that you are a COOL guy!! We all feel that way. You contribute more than you know by just being yourself. You don't have to be anyone special. Your gifts are obvious. When I am in session with people I tell them right up front to remember the big "R". It stands for relax. Then we can all ease into finding out that we are WAY more than we want to give ourselves credit for. You may believe that you have problems that are greater than many other people. I have been in dark places that would probably scare the h___ out of even yourself. You have been through nothing more than quite a few of us have. If you believe that that is not correct then you believe a lie. You are in the process of healing, and that is why you are here. Take your time and allow it to be. I am an old order witch-man and I do not operate like the rest of the world does when it comes to dealing with others. I do it my way just as you would do!!! I allow things to benefit me, I don't try to make them happen. Just allow time and patience to overtake you and you will find peace much faster. If you like, Phyllis or anyone else on the site will be glad to talk more about Her. I have to do some garden watering now so I must take my leave. For now remember the big "R". dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 05:15 PM

Burt, there is no "failure" - only other doors, other paths to choose. You are reaching out to others for some connection, some validity that you exist and why you exist. As Dave so kindly said, "just let it be". You are who you are -- and that is a person who is seeking peace and truth, your truths.

If a person just stayed in their little corner and never looked around, never looked up at the sky, never heard the sound of birds singing their joy, never heard the sounds of Nature, never paid attention to the Earthly cycles of birth, growth, death, and new birth, never asked questions, they would still be able to make a connection with something that is meaningful. Why? How could that be?

Inside every person is a soul, the essence of who they are. The soul seeks, learns, reaches out. All that you ever need or want to be is already within you. You have the potential to find your peace -- and you will.

Relax. Let that part of you that knows all is as it should be and all that will be will be in its own time. You are alive! You are seeking! You are reaching out! Is that not a joyful place to be? It is a wonderful place to be. For as we seek, we find.

The great Mother is always here with us. You will find your own connection to Her, will find your way to chat with Her when you are relaxed and ready. Do not force it, do not push it -- your peace and truth is already within you -- just relax and let it come forth.

I cannot tell you how it will be, how you will feel or think when your peace and truth is revealed to you -- but you will know. It is kind of like when one is so frustrated over and confused over, say a difficult math calculation and their face is all scrunched up and achy for fighting the method of finding the answer -- then they get to the point where they sense that fighting, wracking their brain, scrunching up their face is not helping, so they push away from the problem, take a break and just let it rest. Eventually the answer comes to them and they realize it was there all the time -- all they had to do was relax and let it be, let it come at the right time.

Relax and let it be.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 08:45 PM

&quot;It is kind of like when one is so frustrated over and confused over, say a difficult math calculation and their face is all scrunched up and achy for fighting the method of finding the answer -- then they get to the point where they sense that fighting, wracking their brain, scrunching up their face is not helping, so they push away from the problem, take a break and just let it rest.&quot; You people are extremely perceptive... That's almost exactly what my mom told me when I was painting detail. It seems that I haven't been able to shake that strong desire of my carnal mind striving and trying to understand the Christ Mind -- it's impossible because the two are not compatible. I never married, Connie and I are engaged, but we chose to not make it legal for financial reasons. I am committed to Connie and will never stray. However, in my youth I slept with many, many, women and even drag queens because of the Hollywood programing of seeking that hour-glass figure. I was always responsible with my sexuality and was accessible to previous lovers well past the 9 months. Also, always got check for AIDS and other venereal diseases... so I have a clear conscience that I did not make someone sick or pregnant. I had a satanic sex drive being a Scorpio, but I hated it, abused it and had the strongest counter-drive not to get anyone pregnant. So, I feel like an irresponsible idiot. But, by God's Grace I've arranged my life to be flexible and have plenty of time to watch the sun, the birds, kitty's, moon and stars. But in the capitalistic work world I'm nothing. That's what gives me a headache 'cause my family was very honest hard-working people. I had to find God, I didn't finish college, get a career or marry. I took over mom &amp; dad's little mom &amp; pop motel with Connie.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 09:47 PM

There is GOOOOOOD stuff within you Burt. I believe that if we focus on that, the other stuff that is less desirable to us will just spin off. The sex drive within us is not satanic at all. Mine is off the charts at times but I tend to lean into my Source and that takes care of my needs when nothing else can do so. Sex and sensuality to us witches is a beautiful thing and to be looked at as such. So many today have such a problem with even the word that it distorts their outlook on even the most beautiful things in life. God put that into us. I don't think that he made a mistake. Its just us prudish judgemental humans that have seemingly made it bad. More people are afraid of their own feelings about it and therefore have to cast stones because of their own insecurities. Oh, I also don't shine in the capatalistic world. I also don't worry about the fight between the carnal and the Christ mind. I just take care of my mind. Keep writing Bro!!! Your honesty and transparency in writing is healing and therapeutic for us all!! dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 10:50 PM

Well, I think all of us are to reflect God like a mirror. I may have went to extremes to find him, but I still want to live in his/her presence. I lost my parents in 2003 and 2009. I have to put my mind and my heart on eternal things. Now, some groups adhere to going out and challenging evil. Well, each person has to come to grips with that on their own. I chose not to have children because you have to be concerned with material things right now. Most educational systems and jobs operate from an ego stand point. I need to integrate the lower with the higher, so I sit and think. And keep my physical and material requirements to a minimum. The flow of life is so delicate and fragile. Both of you dave and Phyllis along with Connie have pulled me out of one of my funks. I have to stay centered in the Eternal Now. God wants every single soul to return to his heart. The run of the mill religions have their place, but most want to bicker for 400 years over one bible phrase. If we could just understand that all achievement is God's achievement, and be happy for others how they applied their talents. Even to the very end, my brothers were fighting and competing for the family's money. Material things are nice, and we do have to have a certain measure of them. But can they replace looking in awe at the billowing clouds? Or watching the leaves be rustled by the wind? Most media is very hateful and fear mongering and it seems their main job in life is to put people down. Someday, each of us is going to lay down this pair of clothes called the physical body. But nothing and no one can harm who and what you really are.. so why worry about it? I stayed with my family to the very end. God gave me the grace to get to the point to understand that death is not real. I gain value from people like you. I am grateful that the Internet has matured. I read the book &quot;Be Here Now&quot; in 1978. There is no one single path. All paths lead to The Source if that is your desire. We're dealing with infinite energy, infinite time and infinite space. I want everyone to get home no matter how long it takes !! I really do... and you and Connie keep me on track. I am grateful to be here. Society and siblings have wounded me so deeply that I thought I was a freak for having such thoughts. Now, I've found others. I may not be in the public eye, but If I can maintain beautiful thoughts and beautiful feelings then this will impact the entire planetary lifewave in a positive manner. But it is difficult at times to keep balance. Let us all move together to a brighter future... I want every little spirit to find their place. I do. I do.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/17/11 11:22 PM

They will Burt!!!! You have a good heart and want the best for each soul. Your purpose is clear even if you don't see the finite details of it at this moment or maybe you do!!! Connie sounds like a wonderful lady and friend. She is also lucky to have you!!! You are a deep thinker, deeper than most and that is why I immediately gravitated to you. We are out and about and we are all finding our bearings. No one is above another but no one is also beneath another. I am glad that you are my friend and hope always to be so. Phyllis, Deanna, and others on here are also in your corner. They have incredible powers of perception and compassion and I don't think a person could be in better company, dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 06:47 AM

I just wrote an article about a time in my life that I have over the years tried to bury -- to push away into the deepest part of my memories, far down into my subconscious. Yet the harder I pushed it down, the harder it would come back up at the least expected times. It was like a monster of the deep that would suddenly raise up and disturb the serenity of a peaceful, calm lake. It would raise it's head and give out a horrendous roar that demanded attention. Why? What was it trying to tell me?

I only just realized what that "monster" was trying to tell me -- after almost 50 years of trying to bury that monster, enlightenment has finally reached that part of me that I have tried to forget and hoped it would lay in the dusty dark attic of my mind forever.

After reading your posts, Burt, that "monster" rose again on my peaceful, serene lake of memories and made me realize why it was unsettled and seeking some sort of peace, to find the peace it needed to let go of the pain and anguish, to relax and let it be. So, you see, Burt, you are an inspiration to my tormented memories of a time I had considered the worst three years of my life and which now I realize had become one of the most important times in my life.

I have never told this story before -- but, all things come to the surface when the time is right.

Remember, a few posts ago I told you that I often think of Dave as a Lantern Carrier? Well, he is. And that is what I strive to be. Dave brings light to those in need. He sees a broken heart, hears the cry of a lost soul, senses the confusion and loneliness of those who are seeking. He brings enlightenment to the darkness of our souls and hearts. Is he a saint? No. Do I put him above all others as a savior? No - I do not. He is simply a person who has special and wonderful gifts given to him by the great Mother. It is not Dave who brings the life saving light to us and helps us to look within and find our truths. It is the great Mother who sends messages to us through Dave. I often filled with gratitude and thank him for helping me along my way and he says, "Don't thank me! It is the great Mother who helps us." Dave is a dear, kind, loving being, and I see him as a young man journeying through time over desolate lands following the sound of a cry in the wilderness. This is my 'vision' of him. He is not holy and above us, he is here with us, among us, walking beside us, not in front, not in back, but beside us. He is a friend and a helping hand where the greatest needs are. He is just Dave - he goes where the Mother sends him. He is my friend, my inspiration, my brother-in-spirit, my kindred spirit. Yet, after all he is just a person like you and me.

I hope you read my story, Burt. I hope many read it. And I hope it will help someone else to recognize their own spirituality and find their own truths. Blessed Be....

Here is my story:
LIVING WITH DYING AND RECOGNIZING SPIRITUALITY
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 03:03 PM

Well Phyllis, Isn't that just peachy king. You've known me all of 4 days or so, and I have brought out the deepest darkest suppressed memories. Catharsis. I've forgone marriage to be with my mom, uncle and dad to the very time of transition. This whole planet has a morbid obsession with transition. The only spiritually lawful means of deposing the physical body is cremation. &quot;Our God is a Consuming Fire&quot;. All the rest is money making bs. Reincarnation is a fact and a science. It has been withheld from us for a good 450 years. For political and economic control. But God is not mocked, nor is he stupid or blind. Every erg of energy we are completely accountable for by free will. Many times that blessed soul with downs syndrome has volunteered to come into physical form just to teach a few people a few lessons for a short time. Same thing with miscarriages. Death is a business. A very lucrative one at that. There have been shining individuals way back in the 1930's who have completely and utterly set principles and practices into play to allow the bodies immune system to rid itself of the rebellious cells know as cancer. Cancer is just the return of hatred for any part of life returning to the hater. For a complete healing, the cause, effect, record and memory within the etheric body before it cycles down into the mental, emotional and physical. In the future, with advanced work with Kirlian photography, in oh say... 200 years or so... the dis-ease &lt;lack of harmony&gt; will be noted in the etheric or memory body. Also, the Justice System will be more accurate as the subtle electromagnetic emanations never lie. But here and now there is a great deal of churning and recycling, catharsis and violent upheaval. I'm a triple water sign Scorpio.. oh... just peachy !! But, Our Father is not stupid. My physical dad in his attunement with his own inner gyroscope of The Great Father of All has placed me before his passing on a river, on a peninsula, between a river and an ocean. So, welcome to the deepest and darkest caverns of Your Self.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 06:39 PM

Burt, Darkness is as dark as you want to make it. Another thing that is peach keen is that there is light inside of me any you. If you choose to be dark brother thats the easiest thing in the world to do. Any moron can do that. What it takes is guts to see light within and within other people. Thats what is just peachy!!!! No Burt your father is not stupid nor is the Great Mother but I am not concerned about them. What about you??? Why do we place a deity in front of us so it is as if they speak?? It is us that speaks. Don't get them involved. You are right where you want to be or it is your choice to be in a better or worse condition. Its not any deitys choice. Phyllis is too kind with her word for me. If I was not a spiritual being I would get puffed up and glow like some of these politicians but she knows that I am not there. She cares about you and so do I. She is a healer as I am. You will need to find self respect and then it will spill over to others through you. Take responsibility for you!!! dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:06 PM

I still have a lot of bitterness anger and self-hatred for my decisions... now, I'll have to keep evolving here when I had the supreme opportunity to break the rounds of re-birth. Responsibility. That's more like a women's thing... they become responsible at 12 and 13. My parents raised me until I was 19 and they retired. Poor baby Burt couldn't handle it. And life goes on..
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:15 PM

I am so glad that so many women do take responsibility for their actions. I guess that men are above such trivia. Thusly we have the world situation that we have. Be careful when you throw out words that hurt, you never know whom you are dealing with and the fact that they can come back in ways that you have never dreamed. I leave you to your own devices Burt
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:28 PM

Well, The Highest Culture and the Lowest Base Desire reside at the same time within... If I spew sewage, I reap sewage... so be it. Just Call me Baby Huey for short... We create our own heavens and our own hells. Everybody went on with their lives, but I had to figure out why I was here first... oopps... you snooze, you lose. Anyone who has ever wanted to truly advance humanity forward has ended up a penniless bum. Ohm's Law -- He was thrown out of University and had to teach piano lessons for most of his life.. 100 years later.. we say Wow that guy is Great !!! Tesla -- free energy for everyone ... penniless. So either money is god or god is god... which is it?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:28 PM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Well Phyllis, Isn't that just peachy king. You've known me all of 4 days or so, and I have brought out the deepest darkest suppressed memories.


Yup! I suppose that is just "peachy", Burt. Many things inspire me. A homeless person on the streets, a child's laughter, a mother's tears, a father's love, Nature, great writers of the past, so many things...

It was your words that turned my thoughts to memories of my own past. When we confront memories that torment us, we find the answers we so need.

Have a great day. smile
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:32 PM

I am glad that Burt was able to help you Phyllis.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:34 PM

cool

You are so cool, Dave. For all the times you are there for me, I thank you.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:34 PM

I hope I wasn't being ugly or egotistical Phyllis. I don't like this life, and I don't like this planet. I was shocked... that whatever I post had such an effect on you. Sorry for being arrogant. From passive unworthy false humility to overbearing arrogance. This is the carnal mind and both of you have witnessed mine. I feel that I have enshrined my carnal mind for all eternity and I had a chance to escape and blew it -- I had a lot of spiritual attainment, but abused it, and most likely I'll have to re-incarnate another 220,000years and boy that pisses me off !!!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:35 PM

I didn't help her, she helped herself. I'm just curious what catchphrase or statement that I made which keyed you in?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:42 PM

It was not really a statement or catchphrase, it was just thoughts of one's past and how they affect us today.

You need to be careful, Burt, of words and phrases used in the public forums. I would not like to see you banned for using what the owner of this site terms inappropriate for all audiences.

I need to turn to other tasks now for the rest of the day.

Relax.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/18/11 07:44 PM

Your dealing with a rich, spoiled little sissy that was never able to have meaningful human relations. So I know a few things so what -- What I was really grateful for when I read your story Phyllis is that you learned order and organization early in life. My Mom had a similar upbringing to yours. It seems that children with difficult circumstances seem to do much better in life than those who have ideal circumstances because you are forced to face reality much earlier. I hope that the purging in writing that article was helpful and healing. I still don't know what I said or how I said it... and it really doesn't matter. As long as it moved you to a self-healing process. So what did I do? I stuck a hot knife in when you were vulnerable -- the thing I hate being done to me.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 09/24/11 03:07 PM

Wow! Good morning everyone laugh

Burt, welcome to the forums. Sounds like you are getting pretty comfortable smile I know for me, getting comfortable sharing in forums took a little work LOL. Now sometimes I think I say too much HA HA.

Phyllis and Dave, it's so good to see your thoughts...

There's been a lot happening here in the last few days, but one thing did catch my attention. A phrase (and I'm paraphrasing here) about God being disappointed in us if we don't carry out our mission.

I truly believe that we are here to be channels for the Divine. And since I believe that the Divine is love, I don't see how love could ever be disappointed. Being in these human bodies is a much heavier vibration than who we are in spirit, so life here is definitely harder than life in the heavenly realms. I think we are the only ones who ever feel disappointed - we are too hard on ourselves.

Anyway... those are just my thoughts this bright autumn morning wink
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/24/11 05:16 PM

Good morning, Deanna. What a lovely morning it is here where I am. I am watching the Hawks soar above my little mountain, and the squirrels on the ground scurrying for safety. Nature is a wonderful place for me.

Burt, it is not so much any one thing you said that "inspired" me -- it was just seeing your posts about your life and you going back over what brought you to this point in life.

So - it made me think about what brought me to where I am now. Many things brought me to this point in life and my spirituality. One of the most helpful things is this thread along with others at BellaOnline I have chatted with over the years.

One of my friends always tells me that when I am uncertain about something or feel the need to write about something to let Spirit guide me. 'Spirit' being that part of me that is wiser than this humble physical self.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 07:55 AM

""""One of my friends always tells me that when I am uncertain about something or feel the need to write about something to let Spirit guide me. 'Spirit' being that part of me that is wiser than this humble physical self.""""""

Phyllis, You have been birthed into the eternal, thusly your last sentence here!!!! The spirit being is a part of the self. It is not this "way" out disconnected deity that many people put into a sky, or a book, or removed from the human experience and to be separated and revered. It IS US and we are IT. One thing that old order witchcraft has done for me as well as many within my family is to allow us to see who and what we truly are.

One might think that we hold on to the great Mother to survive life but in reality that is just the opposite of what really happens. We are moved into a realm where eventually religion and mans concept of "spirituality" also ends. Too many have made it a religion also. Many today have also made drugs a way of life. That also is not a part of what is eternal. We are moved past all opinion and temporal perceptions-imagery and illusion. We have come into our own being, that which is wise beyond these ages. We come to a point that we become the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end. WE are that which is, and has ever been, and will ever be.

Now, one might say, Oh Dave you just think that you are God, right?? You pompous arrogant, heretical, [censored], right?? I will grant that you are right if it all stopped just at that point!! So many these days have done just that and have caused ultimate damage in human form. There is another unavoidable step however to go home, yes, even while in this lifetime. We leave here. When we finally know that we have so totally come into our own, we also find out that we are no more, just like the illusion that we have entertained since birth and before in other earthly sojourns.

When I say that we leave here it simply means that we return to that eternal oneness that has ever been. It no longer is seen as a Dave or a Phyllis, or a God or a Goddess or any other such confined state of being. It becomes infinite. It is beyond mans comprehension and only understood by an eternal mindset of which we ALL, in fact, are. I guess what I have been trying to say for a long time now is that when we find out just how remarkable, Godlike, holy, beautiful, and life giving that we truly are, we then find out that we aren't and have never really been.

It is this eternal consciousness within and without that will ever be and it is to that that we will return. When man thinks that he is the one that is great and worthy of all praise, he has stopped short of the fact that he is not of the flesh and never really has been. We are eternal and flow into the realm of that consciousness and leave the visible form that we have come to know in this sojourn.

These words are truly not some that could be shared with children of diminished or immature understanding and years ago we all knew better than to speak them. My ancestors would have rolled over in their graves had we ever spoken them in years past but the consciousness of spirit within people today is demanding greater truths however uncomfortable they may seem at the moment.

As a seer and watcher for the benefit of humanity it is our duty to know what is coming on the horizon and to prepare for its entrance. No-one reading this has to believe even one bit of this but I implore you to just think about what has been spoken here. There will be some of us that will indeed need this information to transcend into what is coming upon the earth.

I had planned to sleep tonight and write nothing but I don't always get what I want. Nor am I popular with many but I am not looking for the approval of man however his evolution is paramount among my concerns. Don't look to dave, I am a WE. Look within for answers because they are all there. These truths have been established since before the foundation of the universe. You and I created them. dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 02:14 PM

The world hated me, the world will hate you. Father, make them One even as we are One.
Sincerely,
Burt the Christ in the becoming
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 03:12 PM

Good luck with that one Burt!! dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 03:20 PM

Dave, you just crack me up!

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 04:00 PM

From Dave:
"When I say that we leave here it simply means that we return to that eternal oneness that has ever been.

It is this eternal consciousness within and without that will ever be and it is to that that we will return. When man thinks that he is the one that is great and worthy of all praise, he has stopped short of the fact that he is not of the flesh and never really has been. We are eternal and flow into the realm of that consciousness and leave the visible form that we have come to know in this sojourn."


Dave, to quote Ralph Waldo Emerson:
"What lies behind us and what lies before us are tiny matters compared to what lies with in us."

As you say, "It is this eternal consciousness within and without that will ever be and it is to that that we will return."

It is just all so simple when one thinks about it. Too often, humanity tries so hard to find 'truths' and therefore make it so complicated that no one really understands. We are all part of the whole. The Lakhota peoples got it right long ago -- We are all related, mita kuye ayasin, we are relatives, by sacred design.

As early as the age of 3 I felt there was something more than what was apparent in my daily life. One morning in the middle of a bitter cold winter, with snow covering our yard up to about 5 feet deep, I looked out a window and saw a clear sky. The bright sun reflected off the snow and down the path my father had cleared, leading out to the barnyard and the barn beyond. I looked down that path and wanted to go out and follow it. At the end of the path, well where it turned to lead to the barn, the sun shone so brightly on the snow banks that I could barely see.

It was a bright glow and I wanted to step into that light to see what was inside and beyond. Many, many years later I saw the same light that led to the spiritual world and there the great Mother was waiting for me - to tell me I was "looking too hard" for my truths.

The truths are right there in front of us, actually within us.
Blessed Be.
Phyllis




Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.
The world hated me, the world will hate you. Father, make them One even as we are One.
Sincerely,
Burt the Christ in the becoming


Hi Burt. I was wondering where you had taken yourself to. Welcome back.

Words are so powerful - or can be if one perceives them to be. The word "hate" dropped out of my life many years ago. I found that when I let it go there was room for beauty and understanding and new thoughts to ponder on.

We all have a part of the Christ within us, the 'Christ' being that part which is the most sacred and wisest of our Spririt.

Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 04:32 PM

I tut would prefer Good Fortune...
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 04:36 PM

How do you define Good Fortune? smile
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 04:48 PM

The quotes are referenced, and credit is given to the author, so I don't want to hear about my attempt to plagiarize. Wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I AM in the midst. So have your fun and laugh at me -- The Truth will stand when the world is on fire.

One should examine oneself for a very long time before thinking of condemning others. ~Moliere


Every man alone is sincere. At the entrance of a second person, hypocrisy begins. We parry and fend the approach of our fellow-man by compliments, by gossip, by amusements, by affairs. We cover up our thought from him under a hundred folds. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Friendship," Essays, 1841


He does not believe who does not live according to his belief. ~Thomas Fuller


Whatever you condemn, you have done yourself. ~Georg Groddeck, The Book of the It, 1950


Many of us believe that wrongs aren't wrong if it's done by nice people like ourselves. ~Author Unknown


Your religion is what you do when the sermon is over. ~Quoted in P.S. I Love You, compiled by H. Jackson Brown, Jr.


Forbear to judge, for we are sinners all. ~William Shakespeare, Henry VI


As no roads are so rough as those that have just been mended, so no sinners are so intolerant as those that have just turned saints. ~Charles Caleb Colton


All reformers, however strict their social conscience, live in houses just as big as they can pay for. ~Logan Pearsall Smith


The essence of immorality is the tendency to make an exception of myself. ~Jane Addams


That which we call sin in others is experiment for us. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson, "Experience," Essays, 1844


All of us are experts at practicing virtue at a distance. ~Theodore M. Hesburgh


Go put your creed into your deed. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson


The most melancholy thing about human nature, is, that a man may guide others into the path of salvation, without walking in it himself; that he may be a pilot, and yet a castaway. ~Augustus William Hare and Julius Charles Hare, Guesses at Truth, by Two Brothers, 1827


Politeness, n. The most acceptable hypocrisy. ~Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary, 1911


Hypocrite: the man who murdered both his parents... pleaded for mercy on the grounds that he was an orphan. ~Abraham Lincoln


'Tis curious that we only believe as deeply as we live. ~Ralph Waldo Emerson


I don't never have any trouble in regulating my own conduct, but to keep other folks' straight is what bothers me. ~Josh Billings


If it were not for the intellectual snobs who pay, the arts would perish with their starving practitioners - let us thank heaven for hypocrisy. ~Aldous Huxley


Moral indignation is jealousy with a halo. ~H.G. Wells


Affectation is a greater enemy to the face than smallpox. ~English Proverb


The injury we do and the one we suffer are not weighed in the same scales. ~Aesop, Fables


The hypocrite's crime is that he bears false witness against himself. What makes it so plausible to assume that hypocrisy is the vice of vices is that integrity can indeed exist under the cover of all other vices except this one. Only crime and the criminal, it is true, confront us with the perplexity of radical evil; but only the hypocrite is really rotten to the core. ~Hannah Arendt, On Revolution, 1963


Because hypocrisy stinks in the nostrils one is likely to rate it as a more powerful agent for destruction than it is. ~Rebecca West, The Strange Necessity, 1928


Nothing so needs reforming as other people's habits. ~Mark Twain, Pudd'nhead Wilson's Calendar for 1894


In the last analysis we must be judged by what we do and not by what we believe. We are as we behave - with a very small margin of credit for our unmanifested vision of how we might behave if we could take the trouble. ~Geoffrey L. Rudd, The British Vegetarian, September/October 1962


It is a good divine that follows his own instructions. ~William Shakespeare


The world is full of fools and faint hearts; and yet everyone has courage enough to bear the misfortunes, and wisdom enough to manage the affairs, of his neighbor. ~Benjamin Franklin


Most everyone seems willing to be a fool himself, but he can't bear to have anyone else one. ~Josh Billings


They are not all saints who use holy water. ~English Proverb


The true hypocrite is the one who ceases to perceive his deception, the one who lies with sincerity. ~Andr� Gide


God has given you one face, and you make yourself another. ~William Shakespeare


How seldom we weigh our neighbors in the same balance as ourselves. ~Thomas � Kempis




We are not hypocrites in our sleep. ~William Hazlitt


Children lack morality, but they also lack fake morality. ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Neurotic's Notebook, 1960


When you say that you agree with a thing in principle you mean that you have not the slightest intention of carrying it out in practice. ~Otto von Bismarck


Hypocrite reader - my fellow - my brother! ~St Jerome


Almost all of us long for peace and freedom; but very few of us have much enthusiasm for the thoughts, feelings, and actions that make for peace and freedom. ~Aldous Huxley


When a stupid man is doing something he is ashamed of, he always declares that it is his duty. ~George Bernard Shaw


The devil loves nothing better than the intolerance of reformers. ~James Russell Lowell


It is easier to fight for one's principles than to live up to them. ~Alfred Adler


Live truth instead of professing it. ~Elbert Hubbard


Those whose conduct gives room for talk are always the first to attack their neighbors. ~Jean Baptiste Moli�re, Tartuffe


Most of us are aware of and pretend to detest the barefaced instances of that hypocrisy by which men deceive others, but few of us are upon our guard or see that more fatal hypocrisy by which we deceive and over-reach our own hearts. ~Laurence Sterne, 1760


Many a man's reputation would not know his character if they met on the street. ~Elbert Hubbard


Saying is one thing, doing another. We must consider the sermon and the preacher distinctly and apart. ~Montaigne, Essays, 1588


We are irritated by rascals, intolerant of fools, and prepared to love the rest. But where are they? ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Neurotic's Notebook, 1960


A man generally has two reasons for doing a thing. One that sounds good, and a real one. ~J. Pierpoint Morgan


History is the chronicle of divorces between creed and deed. ~Louis Fischer


Throughout our lives, we see in the mirror the same innocent trusting face we have seen there since childhood. ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Neurotic's Notebook, 1960


If there existed no external means for dimming their consciences, one-half of the men would at once shoot themselves, because to live contrary to one's reason is a most intolerable state, and all men of our time are in such a state. ~Leo Tolstoy, The Kingdom of God Is Within You


People are very inclined to set moral standards for others. ~Elizabeth Drew, The New Yorker, 16 February 1987


A man who should act, for one day, on the supposition that all the people about him were influenced by the religion which they professed would find himself ruined by night. ~Thomas Macaulay


We have two kinds of morality side by side: one which we preach but do not practice and another which we practice but seldom preach. ~Bertrand Russell


Few love to hear the sins they love to act. ~William Shakespeare


He rightly reads scripture who turns words into deeds. ~Saint Bernard of Clairvaux


People will disapprove of you if you're unhappy, or if you're happy in The Wrong Way. ~Mignon McLaughlin, The Second Neurotic's Notebook, 1966


Be what you would seem to be - or, if you'd like it put more simply - never imagine yourself not to be otherwise than what it might appear to others that what you were or might have been was not otherwise than what you had been would have appeared to them to be otherwise. ~Lewis Carroll, Alice in Wonderland


Loud indignation against vice often stands for virtue in the eyes of bigots. ~J. Petit-Senn


The greatest way to live with honor in this world is to be what we pretend to be. ~Socrates


Consider how hard it is to change yourself and you'll understand what little chance you have in trying to change others. ~Jacob M. Braude


Hypocrisy is an homage that vice renders to virtue. ~Fran�ois, Duc De La Rochefoucauld, Maximes, 1678


A great deal of what passes for current Christianity consists in denouncing other people's vices and faults. ~Henry H. Williams


I desire so to conduct the affairs of this administration that if at the end... I have lost every other friend on earth, I shall at least have one friend left, and that friend shall be down inside of me. ~Abraham Lincoln


The best way to succeed in life is to act on the advice we give to others. ~Author Unknown


How many observe Christ's birthday! How few his precepts!
O! 'tis easier to keep holidays than commandments.
~Benjamin Franklin, Poor Richard's Almanack, 1757


Just remember, there's a right way and a wrong way to do everything and the wrong way is to keep trying to make everybody else do it the right way. ~M*A*S*H, Colonel Potter

Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 05:04 PM

Quote:
These truths have been established since before the foundation of the universe. You and I created them. dave


Let's be careful here for the eternal best interests of all... ok?

You cannot be god without the aegis of the true living eternal father/mother god.

We are co-creators, not the creator... yet. we're baby gods in the becoming.

Satan and Hitler tried to be god without the father/mother god, it didn't work out too well for them.

Looking forward to your replies.

Sincerely,

Burt B.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 05:05 PM

Very impressive!

We do not laugh at you, Burt. I am sorry if I gave you that impression. I laugh to stimulate endorphins.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 05:08 PM

Why Thank You Phyllis, endorphins are good.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 05:10 PM

You are welcome, Burt. Yup! Endorphins are cute little fellas.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 05:19 PM

exactly. hate and hate creation is illusion because all of life is one. It's the human ego that thinks it is separate from god that has to 'strut it's stuff"! But, we must not be naive either, because their are forces rampant that do not want us to return to god.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 05:37 PM

Now, this is copyrighted material with the copyright acknowledged... The Goddess of Supply and I are quite close.. She's my older sister in Christ Jesus the LORD.. note the date of publication... hehe... Goddess of Supply... Fortuna smile!!

To Wit:

Vol. 6 No. 33 - Fortuna, Goddess of Supply - August 16, 1963





The great struggle for mankind to amass wealth is so unnecessary. The beautiful intent of God is to release the fullness of Himself to all who will make the necessary preparation to receive Him. He who has God has all wealth and cannot really lack any good thing. It is most regrettable, but true, that the minds of men are so overly prone to receive negative ideas of lack, originating in the downward spirals of human misqualification, that they suffer thereby the reverse of the perfect supply which Universal Law would bestow upon all.

Perceiving to what end the struggles of mankind lead them, I AM spurred with Infinite Compassion to release a formula for greater supply to all. The simple rules of metaphysics concerning supply and demand do not always seem to work, even when the blessed students, who are ever so sincere, struggle so hard to apply them. This is of course one of the reasons why manifestation does not occur, simply because there is too much sense of struggle and not enough faith and trust in the accuracy of Divine Law.

Dear Hearts, un-fortune-ately people do not, as Beloved El Morya has often pointed out, apply the Science of Co-measurement to events. The idea of prosperity standing just around the corner does not appeal to indi�viduals wondering where their next meal is coming from. They do not con�sider that God, Who feeds the proverbial sparrow, has taken great care of them through millenniums of embodiments and has the richest Blessings the Universe can hold, ready and waiting to lower into manifestation in their worlds. There is a tendency toward despondency or doubt whenever fervent cries are uttered and no immediate response is self-evident.

Co-measurement is a doctrine of patience. It contains within its idea of pure righteousness the Law of Cause and Effect. This Law demon�strates that out of experience is born understanding and compassion for men in various roles. The prince of former times, embodied as the �pauper of the present hour, is able to feel a personal empathy for this strata of life. The reverse situation also has its attendant blessings, for the �prince� of the present era may fare better in performing acts of grace through wisdom gained from the �pauper� of the past. While no hard and fast other than the Law of Karmic Justice functions herein, it is a fact that the soul often expands under duress in a manner that might not be possible were no test in evidence.

Men would often be unwilling to change lots with those whom they may almost envy, if they knew the total dimensions the �lucky� person who �has everything� must absorb and cope with. So, Beloved Ones, the patience of Job is a great blessing and of greater value in cutting karmic cords than men may realize. At times there occurs the unfortunate feeling of resentment and blame which some people express in their hearts toward the Deity when all does not go just as they expect - and this rebel�lion does not help their cause. Cutting themselves Free from any feeling of resentment to any part of Life is one of the first steps of Faith which will open the door of understanding to the fullness of Co-measurement and a release of karmic restraint which The Great Law may have imposed upon them in order to assist the expansion of their souls� evolution.

When the ballast of human creation is released, the healing �helium� of spiritual buoyancy raises the feelings of men and women to new heights of hope and grandeur. The windows of Heaven are then opened that a blessing they cannot contain may be poured out upon them, for, lo, �the heaven and heaven of heavens cannot contain Thee� (I Kings 8:27).

O, Blessed Ones, How very great is the LAW OF ABUNDANCE. �I AM COME THAT THEY MIGHT HAVE LIFE AND THAT MORE ABUNDANTLY� (John 10:10) is a wondrous affirmation, whose Power is indomitable. Af�firming this statement in your heart, after shedding unwanted feelings of envy, doubt, and despair, will raise the mind to a state of receptivity where God, the Mighty �I AM� Presence, can bestow the fullness of His Treasures of Light!

I, too, AM anxious to bestow upon all the students and upon the dear world, with its sleeping hamlets full of little children, a new era of radiant Hope and Blessings, in which every tiny babe of Light may re�spond to the ministrations of Love from his Mother�s Heart. I salute the Mothers of the world and all womankind to call to their attention the good Fortunes which are already theirs, and the blessed Opportunities which in�crease their dimensions each day. One day every Son of Heaven shall be able to hope for the treasures of a young prince, because the knowledge that he is born in his Heavenly Father�s House is early conveyed to him, and that the world is a brighter place because Love has expanded so very much.

O, Love that will not let men go, draw them back to the fullness of their Divine Consciousness which makes all men aware of the Treasures of Heaven and the Love that would shower upon them, as joyous Golden Sun�beams of Power, spinning thought into the wondrous manifest Reality of heavenly bliss.

I AM your Golden-Hearted, Mother of Supply,

FORTUNA

Copyright, 1963, by The Summit Lighthouse, Inc.

This instruction comes to you through the loving courtesy of the Ascended Masters� Darjeeling, India, Council of God�s Will, of which ALL the As�cended Host are Members.



The following decree is No. 55.01 of Section II, �Invocations and Decrees for Keepers of The Flame.� It is given here with the Ascended Masters� Love for the infinite expansion of your Light:

LIGHT�S TREASURES

In the Name of the Beloved Mighty Victorious Presence of God �I AM� in me, my very own Beloved Holy Christ Self, and Holy Christ Selves of all mankind, I call to Beloved Helios and Vesta, Beloved Jesus the Christ, Beloved Mighty Cyclopea, Beloved Saint Germain and Portia, Beloved Mighty Victory, Beloved Lanto, and Beloved Fortuna, Goddess of Supply to blaze the Glorious Precipitation Flame throughout the Summit Lighthouse and every constructive individual and activity on Earth, including my own being and world to manifest therein abundant supply of all the Wisdom, Light, Determination and Love they will ever need to fulfill the Plan of God and raise all mankind into the Glorious Liberty of Saint Germain�s Great Golden Age which I AM expanding right now and forever through this my decree:




Fortuna, Goddess of Supply
Of all God�s Wealth from Realms on High
Release Thy Treasures from the Sun
And now be stow on everyone -

Whose heart beats one with God�s Own Light
The Power to draw from Heaven�s Height
Abundance to expand the Plan
The Masters hold for every man.

Attune our Consciousness with Thee
Expand our Vision now to see
That Opulence is meant for all
Who look to God and make the call.

We now demand, we do command
Abundant Manna from God�s Hand
That now below as is Above
All mankind shall express God�s Love!



And in full Faith, I consciously accept this manifest, manifest, manifest (3x) right here and now with full Power, eternally sustained, all-powerfully active, ever-expanding and world-enfolding, until. all are wholly Ascended in the Light and Free! Beloved �I AM�, Beloved �I AM�, Beloved �I AM.�

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Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 05:59 PM



I am usually more comfortable with Nature than with people, because I am not much of a conversationalist (I would rather write).

I took this picture early this morning. When I look at it I see far beyond what it appears to be. The Sun (Spirit) sends rays of light to those (plants) in need of enlightenment for growth. In a few months this little mountain will be covered with snow and the plants will go dormant only to rise again next Spring and begin life anew. The picture makes me think of cycles or realms.

We travel through different realms as our spirit grows and learns more with each cycle -- until we are One with All.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:08 PM

Quote:
Hi Burt. I was wondering where you had taken yourself to. Welcome back.


samadhi

OM MANI PADME HUM OM MANI PADME HUM

Thank You for your warm welcome...

Now I feel like Kotter irish
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:10 PM

You are most welcome! Hey! it is cool that you are learning to use the icons and quote. smile
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:33 PM

Originally Posted By: Phyllis-Folk & Appalachia


I am usually more comfortable with Nature than with people, because I am not much of a conversationalist (I would rather write). Me too... God, The World Mother, The Universe arranged for me to be in a nature sanitarium <My God-Granted Home> because the sweetness of my soul was ravaged by the horrendous cross-currents of a fake Cain Civilization.. Mother is nurturing her baby-boy

I took this picture early this morning. When I look at it I see far beyond what it appears to be. The Sun (Spirit) sends rays of light to those (plants) in need of enlightenment for growth. In a few months this little mountain will be covered with snow and the plants will go dormant only to rise again next Spring and begin life anew. The picture makes me think of cycles or realms.The Law of The Transcendence of cycles by the golden ratio is Pretty !!

We travel through different realms as our spirit grows and learns more with each cycle -- until we are One with All.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:41 PM

Blessed Be.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:43 PM

10-4

By the Grace of God Only !! fish

Because of my creativity as a child I ended up in insane asylums for most of my life -- yet God was there.

-- Burt B.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:47 PM

You are never alone, Burt.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:48 PM

Burt, P.M. threats are wasted upon me. I am not afraid of your perception of god, or of death, or of man. You just might have a little more to fear in that regard. As I say, I leave you to your own devices. Lead on Bro!!! This is going to be good!! dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:52 PM

Amen... I could never understand why the cannon christian have tried to destroy such beauty like at the Salem Witch trial... just because someone had a different point of view.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:56 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Burt, P.M. threats are wasted upon me. I am not afraid of your perception of god, or of death, or of man. You just might have a little more to fear in that regard. As I say, I leave you to your own devices. Lead on Bro!!! This is going to be good!! dave

Let me make this perfectly clear dave, I do not threat which is a bark, I bite -- which clearly means that I would fly up to where you are and the both of us would have at it in an open field, no rocks, no weapons, no friends and/or no police. I don't know what wavelength you are on -- but, please spare me. Of course I'm left to my own devices... aren't we all ??? Why do you keep saying that? What, are you above Cosmic Law?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 06:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Phyllis-Folk & Appalachia
Blessed Be.

To clear the air Phyllis, this is EXACTLY what I posted in the PM: You are the arbiter of this forum... so I want you to tell me in no uncertain terms whether or not this was or was not a threat publicly:
Verbatim To Wit:
Now, Back to Business. Our job as evolved beings is to Wake the Planet... Correct? Ok... With your permission, I would like to post the following on the only ning I follow: bipolarorwakingup.ning.com/

My intention is to expose you and your ideas to a whole bunch of people who are ripe to latch on to them and run with them.

It is only proper and ethical that I ask you first.

Here's your post I want to repost: I'll await your reply.

To Wit:

""""One of my friends always tells me that when I am uncertain about something or feel the need to write about something to let Spirit guide me. 'Spirit' being that part of me that is wiser than this humble physical self.""""""

Phyllis, You have been birthed into the eternal, thusly your last sentence here!!!! The spirit being is a part of the self. It is not this "way" out disconnected deity that many people put into a sky, or a book, or removed from the human experience and to be separated and revered. It IS US and we are IT. One thing that old order witchcraft has done for me as well as many within my family is to allow us to see who and what we truly are.

One might think that we hold on to the great Mother to survive life but in reality that is just the opposite of what really happens. We are moved into a realm where eventually religion and mans concept of "spirituality" also ends. Too many have made it a religion also. Many today have also made drugs a way of life. That also is not a part of what is eternal. We are moved past all opinion and temporal perceptions-imagery and illusion. We have come into our own being, that which is wise beyond these ages. We come to a point that we become the alpha and the omega the beginning and the end. WE are that which is, and has ever been, and will ever be.

Now, one might say, Oh Dave you just think that you are God, right?? You pompous arrogant, heretical, [censored], right?? I will grant that you are right if it all stopped just at that point!! So many these days have done just that and have caused ultimate damage in human form. There is another unavoidable step however to go home, yes, even while in this lifetime. We leave here. When we finally know that we have so totally come into our own, we also find out that we are no more, just like the illusion that we have entertained since birth and before in other earthly sojourns.

When I say that we leave here it simply means that we return to that eternal oneness that has ever been. It no longer is seen as a Dave or a Phyllis, or a God or a Goddess or any other such confined state of being. It becomes infinite. It is beyond mans comprehension and only understood by an eternal mindset of which we ALL, in fact, are. I guess what I have been trying to say for a long time now is that when we find out just how remarkable, Godlike, holy, beautiful, and life giving that we truly are, we then find out that we aren't and have never really been.

It is this eternal consciousness within and without that will ever be and it is to that that we will return. When man thinks that he is the one that is great and worthy of all praise, he has stopped short of the fact that he is not of the flesh and never really has been. We are eternal and flow into the realm of that consciousness and leave the visible form that we have come to know in this sojourn.

These words are truly not some that could be shared with children of diminished or immature understanding and years ago we all knew better than to speak them. My ancestors would have rolled over in their graves had we ever spoken them in years past but the consciousness of spirit within people today is demanding greater truths however uncomfortable they may seem at the moment.

As a seer and watcher for the benefit of humanity it is our duty to know what is coming on the horizon and to prepare for its entrance. No-one reading this has to believe even one bit of this but I implore you to just think about what has been spoken here. There will be some of us that will indeed need this information to transcend into what is coming upon the earth.

I had planned to sleep tonight and write nothing but I don't always get what I want. Nor am I popular with many but I am not looking for the approval of man however his evolution is paramount among my concerns. Don't look to dave, I am a WE. Look within for answers because they are all there. These truths have been established since before the foundation of the universe. You and I created them. dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 07:03 PM

Jesus, Give Me a Break... I don't see on what planet, century, octave or realm that could be construed as a threat????!!!!!

Am I playing with babies here and wasting my time?

I know none of us is perfect and we are all evolving... but when I get around people who I think are highly evolved -- the bottom falls out and we go back to ego bashing... I think this is what was meant by, "The world hated me, the world will hate you".

What, the name Jesus runs all over you people or what??!!

What am I doing that offends you to mis-construe it as a threat ???

Please Answer.

I have to go on to mundane tasks now...
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 07:14 PM

I am sure that you could pulverize me in many different arenas. I have never had any type of warfare practice in the spirit world. I guess that I am left totally defenceless in your presence. Your knowledge would certainly rival mine. You have just what you want and you have been victorious!! There is just one more little thing here, To have fear of you would require that I fear myself which I am incapable of. I encourage you towards peace Bro. dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 07:15 PM

To clarify, Burt, I do not judge -- therefore, I am not the arbiter of this forum, nor am I the moderator. Deanna is the moderator, it is her Spirituality Forum. smile

I have been chosen by a higher being to post my thoughts here in hopes that I may help others to some extent. How others take my thoughts and apply them to their own life is their choice. smile

I cannot speak for Dave, so you will have to read his words and decipher them or ask him what he means. To me what Dave writes is very clear - to me. How you interpret them is in your hands and to seek clarification of Dave's words, you will have to go to Dave himself. smile

This is what I posted:

""""One of my friends always tells me that when I am uncertain about something or feel the need to write about something to let Spirit guide me. 'Spirit' being that part of me that is wiser than this humble physical self.""""""

Now, then - how could that be a public threat to you or anyone else? Hmmmmm? smirk

You posted:

"My intention is to expose you and your ideas to a whole bunch of people who are ripe to latch on to them and run with them."

Okey, dokey. Go for it! Just remember: no cussin' and no criticizing of others in public forums. smile Peace, brother.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 07:17 PM

PS: I am not chickening out here -- but, my Brother just called and we are going out for our weekly day trip ride - up to the Sierras where we usually go.

Have a great day, Burt. I would like to continue our discussion tomorrow if you will be around.

Take care.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 09:51 PM

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I am sure that you could pulverize me in many different arenas.
I have no desire whatsoever to compete, beat or pulverize you in any way shape or form -- whatever gave you that idea?
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I have never had any type of warfare practice in the spirit world.
Wonderful. What makes you think that I would want to -- or entice you to do so?
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I guess that I am left totally defenceless in your presence.
Sounds passive / aggressive to me.
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Your knowledge would certainly rival mine.
When did this become a competition and / or contest? A forum by definition is an open exchange of ideas with respect and tolerance to all points of view???!!!
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You have just what you want and you have been victorious!!
Really. I didn't know I was here to conquer anyone -- news to me.
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To have fear of you would require that I fear myself which I am incapable of.
Sounds like a Freudian Slip and a faux pas to me. Everyone is capable of fear.
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I encourage you towards peace
What kind of peace, true peace or false peace? Peace without honor or freedom?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/27/11 09:52 PM

10-4... Have Fun !!
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/28/11 10:37 AM

When I first came on this site 4 to 5 years ago I did not know the real reason for doing so at the time. I believe back then that I found a thread about making soap and I remembered that my Grandmother made her own. She was also a spinner which I wanted to share with the people on the craft thread. My Grandfather was a Christian, but not like many I had seen in modern days.He lived what he spoke. I had tried to talk about spiritual stuff on other mens sites but I found that spirituality to men on those forums usually meant either of two differing viewpoints. Radical fundamental hard line Christianity with no freedom of thought other than theirs, or on the flip side, total atheism with absolutely no room for conversation of things either spiritual or religious.

I found acceptance on Bella so I stayed here for these few years. I grew up with Christianity on one side of my family and old order European witchcraft on the other. These people were unlike any others that I had known in my lifetime and I was more than blessed to have them as my teachers and helpers. I went through much loneliness after the last of my enlightened family members passed away and needed to reach out to "fit in" and was accepted by the people on Bella. I still have one relative alive that is a witch however has taken the darker side of it for their advantage and done untold harm with it. They are of no help to me.

I guess what I am trying to say is that I found freedom to express my deeper thoughts of the influence of my family upon me within this group. We were warned, to no end, to never discuss such things with outsiders but something inside of me kept pressing to expose these truths and I had to battle fear to put these thoughts into print. We believed that there is no such thing as death and I have interaction with many ancestors, those that I knew in life as well as those in my familys distant past.

When I first started posting I was like a scared puppy relating my lifes experience with the ladies on this forum at first but I really had no choice as I would be awakened night after night by either my uncle, grandfather, or grandmother and given the next segment of rememberence that I had experienced as a youth. You talk about FEAR!! That was the hardest thing that I have ever done after years of being warned to keep my mouth shut by some very wise old timers. I am now very happy that I shared what I did.

This had nothing to do with ego or with trying to make a mark for myself in the annals of literary society, it had to do with concern. I was given such a rich heritage from some masters of spirituality and I knew that if not shared that the information would die within me when I left this plane. My earnest hope and prayer was that someone could be helped in life as I was and that is my reasoning for sharing. I believe that is has happened and from some very dear people have I received such information. I am the luckiest man alive. Not just for me but for US.

I have been told to write books about my family but I am not a book writer. I have examined my true feelings and see that I am quite content with seeing people grow and become self empowered. I can truly now leave this world happy knowing that people just might have a little more freedom possibly from some things that I have shared. My Christian Granddad used to say that if he could just be a doorkeeper in the house of truth that he would be content. He didn't need to be up-front in view of others. He was content to just allow others to enter. My family never knew strangers, they just knew extended family. What they had they shared. What I have is yours and I would not have it any other way. Blessed be,,,,,dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/28/11 01:26 PM

Now we're getting somewhere. I'm just like you dave. My family has passed and my thoughts and ideas about spirituality were so different that I didn't fit in anywhere. That's why I reached out here. Both my parents were Catholic and I had a very powerful conversion experience in the summer of 1983 -- none of us knew how to handle it, and since I had clairaudience I ended up in the insane asylum several times. I never wanted to hurt anyone or anything, I just wanted to help. Yet, all I wanted to do was draw closer to God and I found 35 years later that these experiences have been going on for centuries and have been documented in the mystical traditions of not only Christianity but other faiths as well. I just didn't take responsibility for this knowledge earlier and although your passed on relatives warned you to remain silent and you really needed to talk to someone about it -- I kind of wish they came to me, because all I did was open my mouth about it, and it destroyed me.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/29/11 06:57 PM

Nothing has destroyed you!! Your ancestors can also come to you but you just need to be open. Too damn many people today consider these things to be hocus pocus. Thats their problem, not yours and mine!! Let me help you a little here Burt if I might. Lighten up a little on here. You have been bombarded with some hellish negativity in your life that this world thrives upon. Your adamacy has been your protection from such negativity from doing further damage to you. I don't blame you in the least. No one is going to hurt you again not on this forum or any other place in life. I must recall a few of your words here; """I would fly up to where you are and the both of us would have at it in an open field, no rocks, no weapons, no friends and/or no police.""" You got your wish dude!! Its just a little different than we thought. Yeh, we'll arm wrestle or if it gets right down to it or we'll get busy but I am not letting you go as a brother!!! We've done this for 500 years. We have stood against people that have tried to divide humanity very divisively even within the church. We're still here, well, you and I and a few others are, but thats enough to get the job done!!! I am glad to see such strength within you for what you believe. That will never be lost. You, like me, are getting polished every day. If you don't lash out maybe there are some really phenomenal things that we can share together. Don't you remember that we did this before??? Maybe we kept each other in check??????!!!! Your Bro, dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/29/11 08:38 PM

You are absolutely correct, we have done this before... being that there are so few of us... it is nice to be here. The negativity of the world sure is nasty. It sure is nice to let the air flow freely through the mind and the heart.
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 09/29/11 08:59 PM

Hi Dave, my lovely brother, I have just spent a while reading some of the posts here to understand what was being said above. Now I understand a few thing that you have said to me in the past that had puzzled me.

I am always amazed at people like you, Phyllis and Deanna, who opened your arms and let me in. We may share different beliefs and call the creator different names but we all came from the same place and we are all going back to the same place, so I feel it is better to make friends here so there are no enemies waiting on the other side.

I am a 'live for the moment' kind of gal, so I don't have much to do with the past and the future for me doesn't exist because I could die tonight. But God/Goddess is with me always and always send the nicest people my way and a few not so nice people that I have to learn to deal with NICELY! We can't have everything easy.

As for saying what you were not supposed to say, I don't really understand what it was you were not supposed to say, because I am a bit late in this thread! But I always say what I am not supposed to say, (according to those who disagree with me), but I say it anyway.

Fear is a useless emotion, it wastes energy and the outcome is always negative, along with bed fellows hate and envy. I say it as it is, I don't expect people to agree with me, but I don't expect them to abuse me just because we have a difference of opinion, but they do. Sometimes in this world a thick skin is required.

And Phyllis, that picture, absolutely brilliant.

And now I am being attacked by a small rosy bourke trying to get my attention, so I will bid you all good night and thanks for allowing me to add my two pennies worth.

God bless

Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 09/29/11 11:31 PM

I have come to realize that about 2% of the population think like you and I... We can learn a lot from eachother, and help eachother in the process.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/30/11 10:59 AM

Hey my little sis, how are you?? Don't be offended if I call you my little sister as I am 6 ft.8 inches and my guess would be that you are not quite that height. It's so easy to talk to you!!! Maybe we are just as appreciative that you opened up your arms and let us into your world!!!! I like what you say about being a "living for the moment" kind of gal. What else have we got, the past is gone and tomorrow is totally uncertain and not promised to anyone. What you said is an excellent assessment of our sojourn in this life.

I am glad that you are vocal about your beliefs and stand behind them, I thought of you the other day. What do they call the leaders of a local mosque?? I am not altogether familiar with the structure of Islam to know what they call a leader of a local group. You know, like a pastor or a priest of a church??? Oh well, my point being; On the news I saw such a leader speaking about the pastor of a certain church that was going to burn a Quran in protest of the beliefs of another religion. This leader wanted to just talk to the pastor to try to talk out their differences.

He seemed very humble and concerned about such a rigid viewpoint. This leader was not looking for trouble, just to try to resolve these divisions. I would have loved to talk to the man!! I am content within myself and what I believe but this man was a peacemaker. When I found out that the pastor would not even converse with him it hurt inside of me as I once rejected a great leader who was sincerely trying to bridge a gap within humanity.

How long will we live with this fear in our culture? So many say, "Watch out, they will try to take over!!!" Are we that weak in our culture that we cannot maintain our own beliefs by trying to avoid the fear of learning about others and their beliefs???? Im half Christian and half witch and I am the furthest from being ashamed of it. If others have shame or fear of me it is simply because they are ashamed and fearful of themselves.

You know that some of my familys stories are probably getting a little repititious sounding but I have to recall this one more time."If you have more insight about the human condition and a better way of healing man and the planet, take my hand and take me with you!! If truly you do show me a better way then I will let go of my lesser thoughts and embrace the new fully!!" I am full of words this morning and as a few of my critics have said that I am full of something else, I hope that I haven't driven past my point and my intent. Just continue to be YOU my little sister. I appreciate you!! dave
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 09/30/11 11:25 AM

Hey Burt, whats up?? I have a confession to make to you. You kinda P.O'd me in previous posts that you wrote but it was not you that I was P.O'd at. It was me. You and I are alike in many ways. One of my faults is to blame others when I am uneasy about something within myself. It easy for me to project. I am appreciative of you. At the last defense you will stand up and say No, I am not crossing that line!!! It may not be a perfect standard but it is mine!!!

People that are rejected by this society might just become the cornerstone of the foundation of the society. We both have been rejected which has been the propellent that has driven us to seek the deeper truths within ourselves. We're finding them. I believe that as everyone sees that they indeed are integral within the structure of the foundation of our world that we together become one in our desire for unity. You're my Bro!! dave
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 09/30/11 12:33 PM

Linda, it is good to have you here. We all come here with our own truths, seeking to reach out to others. I so appreciate and admire the way you stand so strong in your faith and beliefs, yet can cross over to those of different beliefs, and you do so with grace. This is what I see as people coming together in peace.

It is such an easy thing to do, to reach out to others in love, regardless of the different belief systems. We each give and take thoughts which enable all of us to grow spiritually. This is a beautiful thing. I have been told by many that I dream dreams of naivety, yet it is and always has been my dream that people around the world can come together as we do here and find peace and friendship that will only continue to grow.

Blessings to you.



Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/01/11 06:23 PM

No worries Dave...
I've got a Polack stubborn streak, you have a German stubborn streak. We share the same culture, dance, music, food !! And, believe it or not, during WWII a German neighbor on Polish soil gave my grandfather a plot of land and a little house to watch and till for him while he was taken away to fight for the ' other ' side. If that man did not do that, my grandparents would have been homeless in the harsh winters and we would not be having this conversation. So let's both absorb the healing, nurturing sweetness kindness and warmth of these advanced women on this site... I think our parched souls require it. That's why we're here.
Chill -- we're gonna be fine... both of us have been so damn frustrated that nobody wanted to talk about spiritual stuff... so that damage and burned out circuits sometimes surfaces.. It's all part of the process to get where we need to go.
-- Burt B.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/01/11 06:40 PM

Originally Posted By: Phyllis-Folk & Appalachia
I have been told by many that I dream dreams of naivety, yet it is and always has been my dream that people around the world can come together as we do here and find peace and friendship that will only continue to grow.

Blessings to you.

Boy Howdy ! Let me see if I can remember all the [censored] that was spewed about me... hmmm... your too kind, your too sweet, you ask too many questions, you're too serious... face reality... your smart, why aren't you making $300K/yr.... what the hell is the matter with you.. well enough negativity... this world is not the way it should be.. we know that.. and because we do, we've been singled out to be bashed... Father, forgive them for they know not what they do... SOME of them know what they are doing and do it purposely... but the light is coming and no one can stop it... Naive ? Nope. Visionary and Advanced Futurists who can see the Light Coming and trying to the best of their ability to adjust to it...
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/11 03:46 PM

Good Morning everyone! Wow!! So much to catch up on! Looking forward to seeing what's going on here in the forums laugh
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/11 04:02 PM

Whoa, I guess there's way too much here to catch up on LOL. Ooops.

I think it's amazing that we are all traveling different paths, yet find so much common ground. When traveling and living with love and compassion for others, and where they are on their own path, we learn so much. We are simply where we are. They are simply where they are. And we are all doing our best.

I saw a Whoopi Goldberg quote this morning (that I thought I posted here already LOL), but it said something about how we are all here to carry torches so that we help each other out of the darkness.

I love that so much! Phyllis, it reminds me how you and Dave talk about being lantern carriers laugh
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/11 05:57 PM

Hi Deanna,

I'm the newbie !!!

You know it is really synchronistic that you were talking about Whoopi Goldberg, because out of the clear blue this morning I was thinking about her portrayal of the Banshee and God...

The world mind truly is one... and I hope and pray that by good harmonious thoughts it can start clearing along with the emotional, etheric and physical bodies of man, woman, child and the corresponding frequencies of the planet's 4 lower bodies of fire, air, water, and earth.

Sincerely,

Burt B.
P.S. Can I play too?? pease ?
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/11 06:10 PM

Hey Burt, ya! We've met before!

I thought you were already playing laugh
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/11 08:48 PM

Oh... Really ?

Must be the gray hair.. um.. you seem to be a heavy hitter 'round these parts.. and I'm shy.

So, did you go on vacation ?

Did you see the knock down drag out that dave and I had ?

Just a misunderstanding... we worked it out.

Are you a native to S. CA ?

Did you grow up with all this new age stuff ?

I came from mid-west Detroit, Lansing MI -- Dad did GM. I'm sure you read...

How do you sort the bona fide good real new age from the fluff ?

Mom, Dad and Uncle John gone now... just Connie, I and the cats.

Never thought they would pass...

Life is so strange...

You seem to be chipper lately.. can you cheer me up?

-- Burt B.
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/11 09:17 PM

Hi again bro, both my sons are over 6 feet tall so I am very used to craning my neck to look up people's nostrils. I appreciate the fact that you take the time to talk to me, you are a gem among us ladies.

The word you are looking for is 'imam'. The pastor you are talking about is always threatening to burn a Quran, it seems to be his favorite past time. If he feels so strongly about it let him do it and I hope he feels better after, it is only a book and there a thousands of other Qurans on the planet. It won't stop me reading it or anyone else. He won't talk to anyone because deep down he knows he is wrong but his ego won't let him back out now. There are far too many rigid people out there.

"If you have more insight about the human condition and a better way of healing man and the planet, take my hand and take me with you!! If truly you do show me a better way then I will let go of my lesser thoughts and embrace the new fully!!"

This part of your post says it all, wonderful words, encouraging words and true words. Never stops speaking your words, I truly miss you when I don't see you around and it is lovely to know I am in your thoughts.

Phyllis dream your dreams and continue to be naive. You and I are of the same mold there. My father used to tell me that I was away with the fairies and that I lived in my own fantasy world. Just because my world was not one of violence and hatred as his was. The world is sadly lacking love, but it wonderful to find it here. Little pockets of love that we can dip into and refuel when the world is just a little too demanding and no one seems to care.

God bless to you all xxx
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 10/02/11 09:18 PM

ps, I am 5 foot 7 inches, so that makes you 1 foot 1 inch taller than me.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/03/11 12:37 PM

I have been asked by several people why I do not write books. I even had a doctor friend of mine tell me that they and I could really do well with a series of books written about me and/or my family. I am sure that this is quite possible. The answer is NO. Call me selfish, self centered, old fashioned, or whatever you wish but one thing will stand even after I am gone is the legacy that some very fine family members gave a very fine family of which I, and you, are a part.

There is a core principle that comes with this. Today money is worshiped as a god. People will end others lifes because of it. Hideous things have been done to humanity because of it. We have leaders within our own government that wish it destroyed because of greed. We have a hippocratic oathed medical system backed by pharmaceutical companies that would have every person on the planet under the influence of some kind of drug. I am just positive that we are all going to get better and live well under that system????????? We have oil companies that have the people held captive until we pay their price.We eat poison in out foods and cannot distinguish which foods are beneficial to our body types. That should be the real function of the food and drug administration. Truly helping the people live longer by allowing only healthy foods for consumption, not the krapp that they currently allow. With all of their diligent research they know nothing about beneficial foods. I can hear my Grandparents telling me over and over again," It's all fine and good but we will all draw our last breath upon the earth. All of our good intentions or bad will be with us even at that moment." Lastly we have a church that will not stand with its own people. One of my ancestors St. Peter Canisius attempted to mend that church at one time. It was not all about a prosperity doctrine. I am glad old saint pete is not alive to see what is left yet he watches heartsick. The witches as well as the Christians that raised me truly cared about the condition of souls and some of us died trying to better humanity however they could. This is the day where people will stand and draw the line in the sand or even the freedoms that we have will vanish overnight. That is a promise. Green backs cannot buy this. Yet there is another step. Blessed Be
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/03/11 12:43 PM

Society worships money as God. I have been saying that to myself since I was 14yrs. old -- I'm 49 and this is the first time I have seen it in print to my satisfaction from another living human being. Ever hear of Saint Germain ?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/03/11 12:58 PM

Dave,

You have put into words what is in my heart.

The fake medical industry.. etc. I'm not much of a man of words these days but those relatives who were put to death for their teachings and beliefs -- that becomes a national karma and from my understanding one of the maidens murdered during the Salem Witch Trials has become a first lady of our nation in times past.

The universe is fair and the universe is just.

In my own experience, all the relatives for three generations have been ripping eachother off for the money.

Well, in my ' airy fairy head-in-the-clouds naive idle dreamer ' search for spirituality I became hungry and homeless.

I literally begged for bread in the USA !

The universe noticed, and now I live mortgage free.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/03/11 01:03 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
I would like to try and give you a proper reply by embedding my remarks in this color I have been asked by several people why I do not write books. I even had a doctor friend of mine tell me that they and I could really do well with a series of books written about me and/or my family. I am sure that this is quite possible. The answer is NO. Call me selfish, self centered, old fashioned, or whatever you wish but one thing will stand even after I am gone is the legacy that some very fine family members gave a very fine family of which I, and you, are a part. The recording angles (angels) are much better at this anyway (may be a factor in you having no desire to write books). Every erg of energy, (every jot and tittle) is recorded for good or for ill. Your largess of heart is readily apparent. Extending the boundaries of our family to include all is the hallmark of the permanent golden age.

There is a core principle that comes with this. Today money is worshiped as a god. People will end others lifes because of it. Hideous things have been done to humanity because of it. We have leaders within our own government that wish it destroyed because of greed. We have a hippocratic oathed medical system backed by pharmaceutical companies that would have every person on the planet under the influence of some kind of drug. I am just positive that we are all going to get better and live well under that system????????? We have oil companies that have the people held captive until we pay their price.We eat poison in out foods and cannot distinguish which foods are beneficial to our body types. That should be the real function of the food and drug administration. All for filthy lucre. FDA = Forget Doing Anything. Cancer? Dr. Max Gerson stimulated the body with carrot juice and coffee enemas in the 1920s to rid itself of the rebellious cells. um... they murdered him. How can you cure cancer when you have buildings to build and payroll? www <dot> gerson <dot> org Truly helping the people live longer by allowing only healthy foods for consumption, not the krapp that they currently allow. With all of their diligent research they know nothing about beneficial foods. more to come.. the phone rang gotta go.. smile I can hear my Grandparents telling me over and over again," It's all fine and good but we will all draw our last breath upon the earth. All of our good intentions or bad will be with us even at that moment." Lastly we have a church that will not stand with its own people. One of my ancestors St. Peter Canisius attempted to mend that church at one time. It was not all about a prosperity doctrine. I am glad old saint pete is not alive to see what is left yet he watches heartsick. The witches as well as the Christians that raised me truly cared about the condition of souls and some of us died trying to better humanity however they could. This is the day where people will stand and draw the line in the sand or even the freedoms that we have will vanish overnight. That is a promise. Green backs cannot buy this. Yet there is another step. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/03/11 10:07 PM

"Yet there is another step." by Dave

What is this other step, Dave? This intrigues me.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/03/11 11:31 PM

I know that I am going to sound like a ding-a-ling here but I have to ask you; What does it mean to you? I am asking this for a reason. In sessions when I answer a question with a question many times the answer from others is of far greater depth than what I already knew. There are no wrong answers. Could some others answer also????? dave
Posted By: lovely_rita

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 12:27 AM

There is a revolution coming that is way past due.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 12:38 AM

Funny! I have never thought of you as a "ding-a-ling", Dave.

I know the answer and I am working on it. I just need your input first. I sent you an email about it.

The answer I have is within me. Someone else may have their own version or a completely different answer.

I am taking back my power! and going forth!

Blessed Be...
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 12:56 AM

A spark of light from one lantern can eventually grow into a bright flame that will have the power to heal the world and all in it who accept the flame and not let it waver.

I wrote a poem many years ago. One line of it I remember:
"Enlightenment comes from my own soul,
Deep within where I must go."
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 12:57 AM

Lovely_Rita, Now you've got my curiosity peaked!! Please tell me about the "revolution", as you say. I have heard that change is coming and would truly appreciate your thoughts!!!!! Thank You !!! dave
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 02:30 AM

I believe that a revolution is coming too!

I feel really excited about the future - hopeful and enthusiastic! I really believe that mankind, in general, is headed for a new way of being.

A new way of believing smile
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 06:53 AM

I need to just ask a little thing one more time if I might. Several people have inquired about writing stories, articles, or books about myself or my family and I must ask very kindly to refrain from doing so. I know that there are many excellent writers on here and there is much information about the Mother Goddess that is profound and ancient and untold facts about the proof of her existence that can be written about. My story is ancient and in the past but there is so much more to be learned about the wisdom of the ages within the grasp of everyone. Blessed be
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 01:59 PM

The Coming Revolution in Higher Consciousness !
Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 02:27 PM

The Coming Revolution in Higher Consciousness !

Is this Judgement Day?
Posted By: Lori - Marriage

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 02:54 PM

For some, it may be Judgment Day. Especially if you believe in one.

It is my belief that the world has been evolving into a higher consciousness, and that began among key persons and groups several decades ago while the rest of us continued on unconsciously. But now, the awakening is spreading. It is a grand and glorious and gratifying thing to see!

This higher consciousness liberates and uplifts us as we understand our divine connection, and as we rise up in understanding. This means we learn about powers we hold, including the highest power of love and pave the way for peace, knowledge, healing, gratitude and good will for everyone. We will learn that we all are connected so there will be no dissension among us. Even if we still maintain separate belief systems, we will honor each other's choices and free will to live as we so choose. We will come to know the true nature of God.

However, others will continue on to live as their ancestors have done, believing in superstition and other beliefs that keep their spirits limited. Along with that, unfortunately, comes intolerance and fear which all lead to oppression and war.

Judgment Day comes for us all in a sense because we will face our life review at the end of this earth incarnation. But just what happens has been interpreted differently by all religions. In my experience, the God I know and love is unconditionally loving, forgiving, merciful...we end up judging ourselves far more harshly than He ever would not only because He loves us but because He intended for life to teach us, not condemn us.

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 04:07 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
I need to just ask a little thing one more time if I might. Several people have inquired about writing stories, articles, or books about myself or my family and I must ask very kindly to refrain from doing so. I know that there are many excellent writers on here and there is much information about the Mother Goddess that is profound and ancient and untold facts about the proof of her existence that can be written about. My story is ancient and in the past but there is so much more to be learned about the wisdom of the ages within the grasp of everyone. Blessed be


Dave, those who know and love you will honor and respect your wishes and not write about you and your family. I felt a need to write a story based on your life, but will not do so based on your request. I just felt that your story would help others -- I now see that your story, ancestral history is yours to hold and make decisions on. I am glad I brought the subject up with you and will honor and respect your decision. Phyllis
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 04:17 PM

Originally Posted By: Lori - Marriage
For some, it may be Judgment Day. Especially if you believe in one.

It is my belief that the world has been evolving into a higher consciousness, and that began among key persons and groups several decades ago while the rest of us continued on unconsciously. But now, the awakening is spreading. It is a grand and glorious and gratifying thing to see!

This higher consciousness liberates and uplifts us as we understand our divine connection, and as we rise up in understanding. This means we learn about powers we hold, including the highest power of love and pave the way for peace, knowledge, healing, gratitude and good will for everyone. We will learn that we all are connected so there will be no dissension among us. Even if we still maintain separate belief systems, we will honor each other's choices and free will to live as we so choose. We will come to know the true nature of God.

However, others will continue on to live as their ancestors have done, believing in superstition and other beliefs that keep their spirits limited. Along with that, unfortunately, comes intolerance and fear which all lead to oppression and war.

Judgment Day comes for us all in a sense because we will face our life review at the end of this earth incarnation. But just what happens has been interpreted differently by all religions. In my experience, the God I know and love is unconditionally loving, forgiving, merciful...we end up judging ourselves far more harshly than He ever would not only because He loves us but because He intended for life to teach us, not condemn us.


Now that my dear Lori, must be framed on my wall with your permission ! This is precisely whats going on. We're all evolving at our own pace by free will choice. The suffering we endure is all of our own doing - it is energy that we have sent out 10 20 10,000 embodiments ago or 10 min. ago. Life is tender, life is fragile... yet, in the world we live most people consider themselves separate entitys. And it is so for a reason and a season - individuality is a gift of the creator, so him/her/it can expand it's awareness of life by individualizing itself in us. When Gautama Buddha passed his initiations and after he overcame his personal and planetary carnal mind called Mara in that tradition, people asked, "Are you a man, are you a god, what are you"?? He said, "I AM Awake". Being evolved and striving to find God and Love God In All Life is a difficult and unrewarding drive and passion. But, if you face the sunlight the shadows are behind you -- God, God, and More God is All I want -- and I can have it all for God is infinite and transcending himself/herself as we speak by one part of God sharing Love, Wisdom and Power with another part of God. People always hated it when all I wanted to do is think, speak and dream of God -- "He's not practical - he doesn't have his feet on the ground.. or, the best was by my biological so-called ' brother ' who said, "He's a has-been". Has been ? Spirit was never born, Spirit never dies -- beginning and endings are dreams -- The whole world is dreaming the dream of death because they think that they are their religion, they are their culture, they are their nationality, they are their color, they are separate and must force these traits upon others by conquest, war, violence, hatred -- all they are doing is hurting themselves and putting themselves behind in evolution and creating tremendous karma which they will have to pay for in full -- karma is to teach, not punish. You hurt life, life hurts you. You Love Life and Love to set it Free from every burden within and without -- Life Loves you Free. We create our own heavens and our own hells. We are ultimately responsible for every word, thought and deed -- every erg of energy. All will return someday to The Source of All Life -- Some with an identity intact, others as energy that has been abused and needs to be recycled. If your child erred and came home pregnant or robbed a bank... Would you take the child in the back yard and build a bond fire and burn that child to death ?? Of course not. So, where does all of this death and hell come from ? It comes from those who have chosen to live outside of God - EVIL is LIVE spelled backwards -- They are cut off from the source, we are not -- They are jealous that we can go back home and they cannot -- so they try to take you down and keep you away from God, God, God and more God. The trick is to ask God for everything even small inconsequential things. But, enough of my thoughts for the moment -- I want to sit back and muse upon what Lori had to say about a truly Loving God... Cheers, Burt B.

Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 06:27 PM

Amen Lori laugh

I really see this flow of consciousness changing too.

It's so exciting to meet so many people who feel an awareness of something bigger... something infinitely more loving and compassionate.

Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 06:30 PM

So Burt, do you think there's a way to "think, speak and dream of God" while having your feet on the ground?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 08:56 PM

I think there is a new awareness with many people about ancient ways and living simply. A spiritual awareness is growing and more and more people are looking within themselves for answers rather than to the leaders of the world for help.

Excuse me...did I say "leaders"?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 08:58 PM

RE: So Burt, do you think there's a way to "think, speak and dream of God" while having your feet on the ground?

I've been trying to figure that one out for the last 35 years !
LOL !!!

In my case, the universe intervened, and in spite of my rebellion against harmony and divine order God put me where he wanted me and were I could grow.

I spend a tremendous amount of time alone.

Connie has to oversee the motel and I have to run the house.

It gives me time to read and to think.

I'm a very sociable person, but I didn't grow up in time until I was much older.

Men have a difficulty with responsibility when they are younger and really shouldn't consider marriage until they are in their 30's.

Most women on the other hand are very responsible very young.

So, I'm a recluse -- in answer to your question above that is my way of dealing with it.

I spend all day every day with God -- I'm rarely ever bored or lonely.

God, God, God and more God.

Mees Loves spending time with God.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/04/11 09:23 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
I think there is a new awareness with many people about ancient ways and living simply. A spiritual awareness is growing and more and more people are looking within themselves for answers rather than to the leaders of the world for help.

Excuse me...did I say "leaders"?


Everything is too complicated and too fake.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/05/11 03:33 AM

Leaving the forum, taking a different direction. Blessings to all, dave
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/05/11 03:03 PM

laugh Phyllis, you brought a smile to my face laugh

And Burt, I also believe there is a way to speak,be with and dream of God while having feet on the ground - I do that by being present. Sometimes I'm really good at it - other times - well, I have to laugh at myself.

Take care Dave, we'll see you later.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/05/11 03:46 PM

Originally Posted By: DeannaDreams/Spirituality
laugh Phyllis, you brought a smile to my face laugh

And Burt, I also believe there is a way to speak,be with and dream of God while having feet on the ground - I do that by being present. Sometimes I'm really good at it - other times - well, I have to laugh at myself.

Take care Dave, we'll see you later.


Deanna, that's the problem... I've always taken myself too seriously. Hope you gals can help me lighten up a bit...
Did Dave leave before ? I guess he's been here for a while.. I don't understand.. Everyone seemed to appreciate his openness and insight.. I'm a newbie, please help me understand his parting... ok?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/05/11 11:48 PM

Burt, Dave comes and goes. It seems right now he has (as he wrote) a "different direction" to take. He may be back some day. We all do appreciate his openness and insight. I respect his life and the fact that he knows where he needs to be at any given time. He will be ok, and so will we.

At times when we do not understand or are concerned, that is when prayer is needed. 'Let Spirit guide' is what I always do in times of need.

Deanna, I popped back in to put in that last line about the "leaders". It just seemed like I should say that.

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/05/11 11:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.

In my case, the universe intervened, and in spite of my rebellion against harmony and divine order God put me where he wanted me and were I could grow.


Spot on!, Burt.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 01:38 PM

Oh..ok... So I guess that is kind of standard operating procedure?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 01:47 PM

Well...I guess you could put it that way. Everyone has their own way and path to follow.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 01:57 PM

Hello,

I agree: we have our paths to follow and although we may take detours, eventually we end up where we need to be.

That's what I discovered during some relationships and in my last adventure in corporate America -- the gentle shoves and pushes I was getting from the Universe insisted that I move on. It wasn't easy to leave a good job, but I did and afterwards, many windows opened.

All is as it should be.

Peace


Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 02:03 PM

That is true, Anna. We are all where we should be to learn what we must.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 02:06 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
That is true, Anna. We are all where we should be to learn what we must.

Hmm.. That's Pretty ! easter
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 02:14 PM

Thank you, Burt. And a lovely good morning to you.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 02:39 PM

What do you think about integrating Angels, Men and elementals ?
How can it be done ?
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 02:41 PM

What you mention has the makings of magical practices I think.
Posted By: Lori - Marriage

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 02:45 PM

Originally Posted By: Anna -- AHHA -- Rus Cult
Hello,

I agree: we have our paths to follow and although we may take detours, eventually we end up where we need to be.

That's what I discovered during some relationships and in my last adventure in corporate America -- the gentle shoves and pushes I was getting from the Universe insisted that I move on. It wasn't easy to leave a good job, but I did and afterwards, many windows opened.

All is as it should be.

Peace




Yes, and it's helpful to remember that everyone is doing the best he can at his current level of understanding! smile
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 02:59 PM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.
What do you think about integrating Angels, Men and elementals ?
How can it be done ?


Integrate in what way, Burt? To bring together or to incorporate parts into a whole?

Also, do you mean elementals as in earth, wind, fire, water -- or as in faerie folk?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 03:56 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Originally Posted By: Burt B.
What do you think about integrating Angels, Men and elementals ?
How can it be done ?


Integrate in what way, Burt? To bring together or to incorporate parts into a whole?

Also, do you mean elementals as in earth, wind, fire, water -- or as in faerie folk?


Well since the elementals have thankless jobs of keeping the four lower bodies of man and the planet balanced as best that they can under the tremendous pressure of human effluvia and human hate and hate creation until their hierarchs and their hierarchs have no choice but to execute catastrophe -- I think it would be wise and prudent for us to become acquainted with Oromasis and Diana, fire element, salamanders; Aries and Thor, air, sylphs; Neptune and Luara, water, undines; Virgo and Pelleur, earth, gnomes. We all should be crying out to The World Mother, The Mother Goddess and The Father Spirit to add our energies of spirit to these blessed servants through their hierarchs because I feel their pain during and groaning during this world transition.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 04:14 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Thank you, Burt. And a lovely good morning to you.

You're welcome.. and it is a beautiful morning.. Pretty !
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 06:58 PM

That it is!

Now, about those elementals and higher beings -- I live in the land of faery folk, goddesses, and gods. I write a lot about them in the Folklore and Mythology site here.

I agree that more people should become acquainted with all of them. I have found that many truly believe in the faery folk and the deities of ages long gone.

The Mother of all loves Her children even if they do not know Her. She is gentle, tolerant, patient, wise, a teacher, a great Mother - She knows all. She can also be a furious tigress if Her children are in danger.

You, or anyone, can become more familiar with the gods and goddesses at this link Gods and Goddesses

Or learn more about the land of faery at this link: Faery Folk

Do you know that in the Celtic countries they truly believe in the faeries? I do also. Deanna has also written about the faery folk, and some of the goddesses.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 07:36 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia

Do you know that in the Celtic countries they truly believe in the faeries? I do also. Deanna has also written about the faery folk, and some of the goddesses.


I don't know much about the faery folk, but I know they exist.

We have Forgotten Mother, this is what so painful.

She is yet to be revealed for her power is so terrible if misused.

I have to take baby-steps.

-- Burt B.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 08:03 PM

We all start out with baby steps. That is how we learn to gain our balance.

Many have forgotten the Mother, yet She is there when we need Her.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 08:16 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
We all start out with baby steps. That is how we learn to gain our balance.

Many have forgotten the Mother, yet She is there if we need Her.

But you know Phyllis, In the folly of my youth, I got arrogant because I cried out to the universe and I got answers... So, I thought I was a little better then most folks because I had a little bit of spiritual knowledge -- I had spiritual pride, and I fell mightily. But, I'm still here to talk about it, and I will try to evolve at a slower pace now...
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 08:25 PM

Burt, I think maybe in the beginnings of our spiritual enlightenment, we all have a tendency to get a little arrogant, especially if our experiences with the Mother, or our visions/dreams, are profound. Is it not exciting, maybe even startlingly, the first time the Mother touches you, holds your hand and reveals answers to you?

Of course we will feel that at that moment we know more, we are more wise than others, we have risen above others. In time we find that the arrogance is only the joy we felt when we realized we had found truth and our path.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 08:29 PM

Yes, we do rise above -- we rise above the untruths that have been pounded into our heads since childhood. Have you ever seen a child who has learned for the very first time to put a wooden puzzle together? The joy and look of wisdom crosses over the face of that child and he looks as if he has grown several inches as he stands tall and proud with his new knowledge.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 08:44 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Burt, I think maybe in the beginnings of our spiritual enlightenment, we all have a tendency to get a little arrogant, especially if our experiences with the Mother, or our visions/dreams, are profound. Is it not exciting, maybe even startlingly, the first time the Mother touches you, holds your hand and reveals answers to you?

Of course we will feel that at that moment we know more, we are more wise than others, we have risen above others. In time we find that the arrogance is only the joy we felt when we realized we had found truth and our path.

I'm extremely grateful that you are so open and understanding of this, I have lived with shame for many, many years. It's like I found all at once the enlightenment that monks search their entire life for and I couldn't handle it... Like I touched a flame that burned too bright, and I got singed. Pantheism at first scared the hell out of me... But, as time went by it made more sense to me. Pallas Athena has been around for a long time and so has Helios and Vesta. The Oracle at Delphi, the Vestal Virgins and Hypatia all brought forth very pure and highly refined culture, religion and teachings which were brutally dismantled, infiltrated and destroyed. I keep a low profile to the outer world, and for all intents and purposes, I'm a recluse. My ideas and ideals were, (now looking back), too advanced and more ignorant minds trapped me in endless rounds of compromise and fear. But, that's ok... because we're dealing with an infinite God and Goddess - Father / Mother -- Alpha / Omega... So, the best thing I could do was to try and find God who lives forever.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/06/11 08:47 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Yes, we do rise above -- we rise above the untruths that have been pounded into our heads since childhood. Have you ever seen a child who has learned for the very first time to put a wooden puzzle together? The joy and look of wisdom crosses over the face of that child and he looks as if he has grown several inches as he stands tall and proud with his new knowledge.

Yeah... I was that child.
The Montessori method is the only way the children should be brought up in.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/07/11 02:29 AM

I am not familiar with the Montessori method, but, I have heard it is a good system.

When the child, in the case of the puzzle solving, gets that look and feeling of pride and enlightenment, it is how we feel when we recognize the Mother and all we learn from Her.

I had a profound dream about the great Mother several years ago and did not realize who She was and what my dream meant until just a short time ago. It was Dave who brought me to the point where I could recognize the Mother and that took me back to that dream I had many years ago. The feeling of amazement that came over me was so wonderful.

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/07/11 06:21 PM

Sometimes, all one needs in life is a glass of fresh orange juice.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/08/11 01:22 PM

Hello Beautiful People,

Along with the OJ, some food for thought:

"When God Was a Woman" is an insightful book written by Merlin Stone. It explores the ancient worship of the Great Goddess, known in various cultures by different names.

These were gentler, peace loving times when society was matriarchal. As we are all witness to, society has swung the other way and we are reaping the results.

If I'm repeating something that was already mentioned previously, sorry -- had to add my comments.

Peace.

PS Eve was framed.

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/08/11 02:39 PM

Hello Anna. Those are good thoughts you have. Thank you for bringing them up.

For years I have studied mythology, and also the ways of Native Americans. The beliefs of matriarchal societies in the mythologies have slipped away over the centuries and that is sad. The Elder Gods of the Golden Age in Greek mythology are the goddess Gaia who came from a void of nothingness and gave birth to Uranus. In union with Uranus, she gave birth to the Titans, twelve of them.

Over time, the Mother goddess was eased to the background and the male gods came forth, ruling all. In comparative mythology, the stories are similar - all Creation began with the Mother.

In most Native American societies, even today, the tribes are matriarchal. It is the woman, mainly the grandmothers, who keep the heritage alive. They pass on to the children and grandchildren the ways of the people, the ways of their ancestors. I find that Native American peoples (for the most part) are gentle, nurturing, caring, live in harmony with all Creation, and are very spiritual. Some accuse me of putting forth that Native Americans are perfect, above all others. That is not my intention nor is it my belief. I speak more about these people than others because I have a great affinity with them and the ways of their ancestors -- but, I also speak of them with these good thoughts in describing them because I know them, I know their history and their beliefs. They are a good people. There are other cultures who also have good people who are nurturing and care for all Creation. I am just more familiar with the Native Americans. I think they set a good example in caring for Earth and the future of humanity.

In my opinion, when the great Mother was relegated to the background, that is when wars, hatred, and strife took over and humanity began to forget that to live in Harmony and Balance with Earth and all Creation is so very important.

It is time, past time, that we stand with Native American peoples and others like them as brothers and sisters, bring back Peace, Harmony, Balance, and Love. In the Golden Age, the two-legged, four-legged, winged, and rooted, all lived in Harmony. There are many, like the Native Americans, Buddhists, and others who remember what the Golden Age of humanity was like and strive to bring it back.

The Mother has never forsaken us. Those who learn to speak with Her and ask Her for help find that over time a more gentle and loving way of life comes into being. The truth is there for those who seek. Blessed Be...


Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/08/11 03:28 PM

Thank you Phyllis so stating "it" so eloquently.

I too enjoyed the study of Greek and Roman mythology in High School and my teacher Mrs. Kaufman made it fascinating. I was totally absorbed. The gods and goddesses of yore came to life in her class and beyond that in my imagination.

In fact, I've named the majority of my pets after them: Gaea is my darling nanny goat who gave birth to four babies: Cupid, Loki, Hathor and Venus. My chicken Isis is the queen of the yard and Zeus the king of the house!

I explored on my own, too, and read about other cultures and their divine beings. The parallels exist as you state.

I'd agree that Native American cosmology and beliefs are inspiring, probably because I live in America and can relate. The wisdom of the Native Americans can lead one to knowledge and down a path of spiritual development for certain. The belief in totems, mirroring a person's own nature, aids us in tuning in should we care to.

Peace.



Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/08/11 04:09 PM

You are welcome, Anna, and thank you.

Any society dominated by one or the other gender has never been good for all. If one looks at societies that are male dominated, the women, in some, are treated cruelly -- sometimes animals are treated better than the women are. This puts fear into the women and the children suffer also. The girls grow up with fear and a feeling of unworthiness. The boys grow up with a streak of cruelty and false feelings of superiority. No one wins! Even the male who treats the women as inferior and beat/abuse them, may at times awake in the middle of the night when a feeling of guilt and sorrow touches their heart and soul.

In a female dominated society it is reversed. Take the Amazon tribes, for instance. Many say there is evidence that these tribes did truly exist -- I have not studied them, so I am not sure. I am just using that theory of their existence as an example. The males in the Amazon tribes were treated like slaves or killed outright. Only the strongest and most beautiful of the males were kept alive and caged for procreation.

In some societies, women must wear certain clothes where they all look the same. Does clothing signify spirituality? No! I can wear a heavy cloak with a large hood to cover my head and entire body, or I can wear long dresses with long sleeves and a veil, or denim cutoffs with a t-shirt. Does that define my spirituality? No! I am just as spiritual in cutoffs as I am when wearing a dress -- or when I used to wear cowgirl boots (I called them my sh-t kickers), blue jeans, shirt, leather jacket and a cowgirl hat.

Clothes do not define spirituality. Nor does skin color or looks. Spirituality is within us and shines forth as peace.

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/08/11 04:18 PM

In a matriarchal society all members of the family, clan, tribe, etc., are treated as equals. They each honor and respect the spirituality, the divinity, of all. That is much different than a "female dominated" society.

The word Namahste' (or Na Mah Ste') is from India and is a greeting. It basically means "I recognize, honor, and respect, the divine in you where all the Universe meets."
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/08/11 05:40 PM

Good Morning Everyone laugh

Burt, I do agree that the Montessori method is fabulous. As a homeschooling mama, I utilize their philosophies, along with Waldorf and unschooling. I truly believe though that it's the parent (or teacher) instilling in the child, through adventure, the pleasures of learning. And I've seen remarkable teachers (even in systems that have stifled other teachers) light that spark within their students.

Anna, I do believe Eve was framed.... and poor Lilith!!

Phyllis - YES to the OJ. My kids have gone through a whole carton of it in the last two days. I'd say, for me, it's Teeccino!! A magical brewed herbal coffee beverage!

I've been watching the SciFY series, Battlestar Galactica, on Netflix recently. The whole premise of the story is constantly bringing up spirituality in one form or another - very cool!
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/10/11 04:38 PM

I have received emails from some hurting people. I'm busy with other stuff out of necessity but my lifes purpose is healing and that takes priority.

Witches are not popular with the general public and it is not because they are scary or sneeky or devious, or evil, although there are a fair share of them just as there are in any other walk of life. The real ones are not popular with the general public because they tell the truth. We witches of the old order know the great Mother but she is not our God. We do not worship her like so many do other deitys. She is just there with us for our comfort and guide until she is removed. I am not trying to get you to believe in her here, I am attempting to have us see what we are doing to ourselves.

We Americans hold on to anything for identity until it is wrung out to death to keep from standing in ourselves and being strong. "The doctor will make me better, or the government will take care of me and we don't need a job or career or purpose, or if I just take another hit I will be just fine, or if I just ignore my coworkers or family they will just go away, or I am just too tired to give a rip." Unless we see and accomplish what we need to do, the inevitablity is that these things will become more of a reality than reality itself.

We, in our family, believe that one day the great Mother kicks us out of the nest. The more enlightened of us knew that it was us that did the kicking but nevertheless the time comes when we face the music alone. You guys can get mad at me and I can not help that but I have to say what is in my heart. Yeh, I would like to be liked by everyone but that is not my priority nor is that going to happen. I have to live with me.

Here goes; Let go of all deities, God, Goddess, Buddha, and all of them. Start taking responsibility for yourself instead of being such a weenie. Call me heretical, anti humanitarian, an s.o.b or anything else but stop and think about this. As parents do we want our kids to be under us all of our lives? Do we really want every decision made for them. Do we want them to be under our every wish and command? OR do we want them to soar far past where we ever could go? To experience greater realities than we ever knew and have the ability to govern themselves in completeness?? Yeh, if we're selfish we want them around and under us to bolster up our own identity because we have little, if any, life of our own. People don't like to hear that.

Everything is GOD GOD GOD. O.K. go for it!! Then examine your life. Who are YOU?? You haven't got a clue. When any religious people knock on my door and I invite them in one of my first questions is, Who are you? Lets say for a moment that I already know God. Now what is inside of you? I have the ability to read people not unlike many these days. In doing so when someone tells me that their deity is everything to them and they don't wish to talk about anything else I also see a very unhappy and empty soul. They and their family probably suffer incredibly which goes against everything that I live for.

We have religions that instead of enhancing our lives become an enemy of the soul and we have done it to ourselves. I want to know YOU, not your deity. Maybe I already know them. Maybe not, but who are you??? People have said, "Dave, you are so evolved beyond where most other people are!!" Sorry but thats a load of krapp, also an excuse.. YOU are that which Is, has ever been, and will ever be. Go within!!!!!!!!!!!! Dave
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/13/11 08:07 PM

John Lennon said it best in the song, "Imagine," yes?

I suppose that what we all have in common is that we're all trying to figure out who we are.

May we all get to where we need to go.

Blessed Be,

Peace.

Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/14/11 02:14 PM

We will Anna. Blessed Be
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/17/11 03:15 AM

I love John Lennon smile

I do believe that sometimes we search outside ourselves too much for answers that are only found within.

I believe that love is the major force in our universe, and that it's always there, wanting to express through us and for us. Of course we always have the option of closing our hearts too it. But, even though we may go in the house, shut the windows and doors, close the blinds, the sun is still shining outside.

It's there waiting for us.

We just have to open the door smile
Posted By: Lori - Marriage

Re: The Goddess - 10/17/11 03:26 AM

Thank you for reminding me of this, Deanna. I have always searched outside myself. The answers are within.

I need to meditate on this now.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/17/11 11:30 PM

A friend, RJB, once reminded me c/o Neil Peart of Rush

In your head is the answer
Let it guide you along
Let your heart be the anchor
And the beat of your own song


From "Something For Nothing."

How true.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/18/11 12:06 AM

So very true, Anna. I have always said that all we need can be found within us. We must be the captain of our own ship. I like your poem, it says a lot.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/22/11 12:28 AM

Lori, I've searched outside myself a lot too. I think we are taught that's the thing to do.... someone is smarter, or something or other. Learning to turn within takes practice - something I have to remind myself of every day LOL.

Anna - Rush is my ALL TIME favorite band. All time... as in "FOREVER" there is no band I love more.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/22/11 01:41 AM

2112
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/22/11 10:03 PM

he he he.... ya baybee! I'd bet that the year 2112 will be LOADED with prophecies and such!

Rush was really a very spiritual band though - at least I always thought so.

I loved "Snakes and Ladders." I found out later that was a take on a game from India - a very spiritual/morality centered game wink
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/23/11 12:23 AM

Changes that we see around us are no more than that. Changes that we make within provide a coping mechanism for the changes that we will see around us.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/23/11 03:11 PM

Originally Posted By: DeannaDreams/Spirituality
he he he.... ya baybee! I'd bet that the year 2112 will be LOADED with prophecies and such!

Rush was really a very spiritual band though - at least I always thought so.

I loved "Snakes and Ladders." I found out later that was a take on a game from India - a very spiritual/morality centered game wink


Yes - " send that instant karma to me... initial it with loving care "
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/23/11 03:28 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Changes that we see around us are no more than that. Changes that we make within provide a coping mechanism for the changes that we will see around us.


Change the within, and the without will mold itself and comply.

We create our own heavens and our own hells.

What a tremendous responsiblity it is to be a Co-Creator -- whether we like it or not - it is.

The only answer is TO BE.

To Be what a pain in the hiney -- To Be means I am responsible for every correct use and every mis-use of every erg of energy from the time I was a concept in the mind and the heart of Father/Mother God.

To be is to receive all the junk I sent out.

To be is to pick up every gum wrapper I dropped along the way.

To be is to receive every erg of Ugliness I ever sent out toward any part of life 10min, 10years or 10,000 embodiments ago right back to my own doorstep.

To wrestle with oneself is to face the most crafty enemy of all.

Responsiblity.

I am God, You are God, We are God -- shall we return to oneness with or without an identity?

Energy is God, Mother is God... God, God, God... Can we every run away :?

Where shall we go ?



Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/23/11 07:44 PM

I had a vision not too many years ago. This is one of those times that I only ask you to read the words and then form whatever thoughts that you wish. Also please don't throw rotten tomatoes,LOL, Kaphas don't like too much acidity. Seriously it is with trepidation that I share this because of fear, I guess?? It went like this; I was laying in bed early one evening. My other half was sound asleep. Jesus appeared in front of me on the left and God on the right. They both spoke in unison and said, "We are outa here but here are the keys" and at that moment they were both gone.

I then woke my wife and told her the vision. Then she said with a wrinkled up brow,"WEIRD!" and went back to sleep. I have never had such an encounter before. It was real yet totally bewildering. Then I asked myself and her,"What the heck are the keys??" I still don't know even after all of this time. I am no more blessed or knowledgeable than many spiritual people of today so whats up with this??? It has, as of late, however, began to reveal its message. It is as my family has said for 500 years,"You are the eternal, YOU are that which IS, has ever been, and will ever be. Some of my family was murdered centuries ago for this knowledge. We still would be today, that is, until people understand the reality of the knowledge that has been hidden from us since the crafty mind of man turned us against ourselves way back when. The difference now is that we are beginning to see that fear is a man-consceived commodity and we have the ability to go past it. ALL is within. Blessed Be
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/23/11 08:37 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
I had a vision not too many years ago. This is one of those times that I only ask you to read the words and then form whatever thoughts that you wish. Also please don't throw rotten tomatoes,LOL, Kaphas don't like too much acidity. Seriously it is with trepidation that I share this because of fear, I guess?? It went like this; I was laying in bed early one evening. My other half was sound asleep. Jesus appeared in front of me on the left and God on the right. They both spoke in unison and said, "We are outa here but here are the keys" and at that moment they were both gone.

I then woke my wife and told her the vision. Then she said with a wrinkled up brow,"WEIRD!" and went back to sleep. I have never had such an encounter before. It was real yet totally bewildering. Then I asked myself and her,"What the heck are the keys??" I still don't know even after all of this time. I am no more blessed or knowledgeable than many spiritual people of today so whats up with this??? It has, as of late, however, began to reveal its message. It is as my family has said for 500 years,"You are the eternal, YOU are that which IS, has ever been, and will ever be. Some of my family was murdered centuries ago for this knowledge. We still would be today, that is, until people understand the reality of the knowledge that has been hidden from us since the crafty mind of man turned us against ourselves way back when. The difference now is that we are beginning to see that fear is a man-consceived commodity and we have the ability to go past it. ALL is within. Blessed Be


The keys to the Kingdom of Heaven within you.

I AM The Way, The Truth and The Life -- I AM The Open Door which no man can shut.

The I AM Knocks but we have to open the door.

We open the door and are immediately confronted with heaven and hell, absolute good and absolute evil and both are inside of us at the same time.

I had a large bronze crucifix lift his head up and look at me.

The Trinity resided inside of me for 2.5hrs - I thought everything was going to be peachy keen, that is when the bottom fell out.

Human beings are an ignorant lot.

Any idea to lift them up will be shot down.

The time is coming and is here when those that kill you will honestly believe that they are doing God's Holy will.

God's Holy Will is divine emancipation for everyone, but people get their rocks off controlling others instead of controlling themselves.

Those that you would lay your life down so they could be free will turn and betray you.

Love like God loves and the world will hate you.

The Witches at Salem just happened to think differently than the Puritan deadmansbones.

Be true to yourself and you are being True to God.

Being True to Your Self is being True to God.

The Self is God.

Always has been, always will be.

The Kingdom of Heaven is the Christ Consciousness of The Father, The Mother, The Son, The Holy Spirit and The Buddha.

Christians think you have to die before you can attain this.

Witches know that this is your true nature now, you just forgot and you can get back Eden now - you don't have to wait.

Walk down the street and tell them I AM God -- see how far it will get you.

Man is God in Exile on Earth.

-- Burt B.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/24/11 02:12 PM

Greetings.

As mentioned above,

FEAR (of this and that and all the horrific things that could happen) rules the world and if we could get past fear, we'd be in a much better place.

Carpe diem.

Love is the antidote.

Peace.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/24/11 08:17 PM

I love this Anna. Marianne Williamson has a quote that gets passed around fairly frequently -

"Love is what we were born with. Fear is what we learned here."

I try to remind myself, especially when I'm worrying, that "fear" is not part of my original programming - it's programming I picked up from my environment - therefore, it's not me. Just something I carry.

I am love. You too!
Posted By: HolisticHealth19

Re: The Goddess - 10/24/11 08:36 PM

I agree Anna and Deanna

Fear is a useless emotion because it wastes time and energy. I agree that programming is very bad for the environment, it is creating a herd of people walking in the wrong direction.

There is nothing to fear, but fear itself.

Love on the other hand conquers everything.

All these quotes but no idea who said them. Those who rule like to have us in a state of fear because it gives them a sense of power.

Ya booooo sucks! I say to those people in power who think they can cause me to waste my time fearing nothing but their illusions.

They are human too and I bet their fears are just as real as the next persons.

Linda Heywood
Holistic Health Editor
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/24/11 11:59 PM

So true!!! Love is a very powerful force indeed however it is not always capable of preparing us for the next event coming our way. Foresight and the wisdom that goes with it can help with that. Such sight is not taught in our culture and many times we are blindsided when events change. Many have said that love conquers all. Have you ever had times that it didn't???

The ability to foresee coming events coupled with the necessary wisdom to deal with them have saved countless folks from dire consequences down through history. I have harped again and again on going within. That is another attribute of the spiritual being however that is foreign to this culture. We are not taught such things. It is therefore difficult to look inside of us and maintain such for any length of time.

The reason that it is difficult for many to maintain is that the deeper and more lengthy that we do so a very different set of truths become evident versus the illusion that rules and reigns around us.

We begin to see the unvarnished US and what no longer governs us. We would rather have the illusion and the sugarcoating. Upon first glance we might not even like the real us.We might have one face for our friends, one for our spouse and kids, one for our co-workers, another for our best friend, and on and on.

Another seeming drawback from looking within is that we see the ultimate power that we have within and that may scare us. We want someone else to face those things for us. How far have we run from our own reality and who we really are????

No-one takes care of dave but dave. No-one decides things for dave but dave. Even though I follow the laws of the land I have my own set of rules and mankind has no dominion over them. If another being doesn't like me thats just tough because I like me. I am good enough for any situation. Now, am I a total ego- self centered fool or do I have a standard that has little if anything to do with many wrong headed dictates of mankind?

Look, I am not but a spec on the butt of the cosmos but I do care for humanity, my family, and myself all equally and exceedingly. The same substance is within us all. Why do we choose to pretend and continue in the illusion?? Why do you think that we suffer so in this illusion?? Take the time to look inside. Blessed be
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 03:34 AM

I love all those quotes on Love.

I've been reading some Mother Teresa recently. She has a book called "In The Heart of the World." It's so sweet. She just approached everything with love.

I really believe that staying in the place of and presence of love helps us to overcome those challenges.

Mother Teresa was just one sweet soul, showing us what's possible.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 03:37 AM

Hey Dave, smile

One of my favorite stories is of King Solomon receiving the gift of anything he wanted from God. He chose an understanding heart, so God granted him all things because of his choice.

The heart, and love, can sure take us far.

Though King Solomon also said �Guard your heart above all else, for out of it are the issues of life.�

When our hearts have been broken, nothing else seems to work so well frown
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 03:59 PM

Originally Posted By: DeannaDreams/Spirituality
I love all those quotes on Love.

I've been reading some Mother Teresa recently. She has a book called "In The Heart of the World." It's so sweet. She just approached everything with love.

I really believe that staying in the place of and presence of love helps us to overcome those challenges.

Mother Teresa was just one sweet soul, showing us what's possible.


Have you ever read about Mother Teresa going through the dark night of the soul as related by St. John of The Cross ?

That is a beautiful picture of you...

'bout time we get to see what you look like smile
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 04:00 PM

Hey Deanna

Again I agree that the power of love is incredible!!! King Solomon and Mother Theresa were two incredible people but I do not pattern my life after them, I pattern my life after me.

Now lets approach it from a therapists viewpoint. Here comes a guy that has been abused by a member of the clergy. The guy is ready to kill himself. Let me ask you Deanna, have you ever dealt with anyone like that?? If I even use the word love with him I may probably loose him, especially at first. I sit with him at length and he will not let me into the front door of his being yet he knows that he needs to be here as he has heard that dave is a weird enough kind of a guy that might be able to help him out of his torment.

O.K we chit chat at first but he is quite guarded in his conversation because of trust issues which is plainly understandable. Then I sneak into his back door. Now he knows that he is not alone in his hell and believe me, I feel his hell with him. He is startled but I assure him that he will be o.k. He calms down and because he knows that I am right with him he realizes that he, although yet in the early stages, will be O.K.

Now we face together a huge mainspring that is over wound within him. He has not the ability to unwind it himself so we do it together. Some come along quickly and some take considerable time but in the end I make a friend for life even if they go on their way and I never see them again. They are out and about and most all of them are prospering and doing well. I get an occasional phone call or visit from them.

These people and I are so close that when we meet we embrace at length and even sometimes kiss each other in our joy. Even the guys go past the cultural norms that we observe and show a real love and affection in a tenderness that our puritanical world would question. Yea, I get a kiss or two from the guys as well and they mostly are solidly hetero with wives and kids yet their lives have been saved by one who knows what it is to suffer under the crushing rule of Christianitys somewhat mislead modern concept of love.

Lets redefine what love really is. It is awareness, It is not always nice. It is not always kind. It speaks in whatever form it needs to get the job done. It is real, it is life saving, and it is a no B.S. kind of approach to advancing into a better frame of mind body and spirit. Understand, If you are looking at dave here you have your sights set pretty low. Look within and you will see that the life saving abilities that we all need are found freely and have always been there- WITHIN. Blessed Be
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 04:15 PM

Burt, I have not read that book - I'll have to keep my eye out for it.

And thank you very much smile
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 04:22 PM

Good Morning Dave,

I didn't think I was disagreeing with you wink

And yes, I have work withed people who were suicidal. And you're right - talking with them about love wouldn't have done much good. I do believe love guided me though...

And I do believe that love is awareness. I believe love helps us do the right thing - and sometimes it feels like the right thing is not nice or kind. But if it's for the highest good of all, it's what helps us get through the pain.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 04:24 PM

Originally Posted By: DeannaDreams/Spirituality
Burt, I have not read that book - I'll have to keep my eye out for it.

And thank you very much smile


You're Welcome.

I really don't know if there is a book out about it, I think I have seen it in the wikipedia article about her...

wiki:

Spiritual life

Analyzing her deeds and achievements, John Paul II asked: "Where did Mother Teresa find the strength and perseverance to place herself completely at the service of others? She found it in prayer and in the silent contemplation of Jesus Christ, his Holy Face, his Sacred Heart."[87] Privately, Mother Teresa experienced doubts and struggles over her religious beliefs which lasted nearly fifty years until the end of her life, during which "she felt no presence of God whatsoever", "neither in her heart or in the eucharist" as put by her postulator Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk.[88] Mother Teresa expressed grave doubts about God's existence and pain over her lack of faith:

Where is my faith? Even deep down ... there is nothing but emptiness and darkness ... If there be God�please forgive me. When I try to raise my thoughts to Heaven, there is such convicting emptiness that those very thoughts return like sharp knives and hurt my very soul ... How painful is this unknown pain�I have no Faith. Repulsed, empty, no faith, no love, no zeal, ... What do I labor for? If there be no God, there can be no soul. If there be no soul then, Jesus, You also are not true.[89]

Plaque dedicated to Mother Teresa, Wenceslas Square, Olomouc, Czech Republic.

With reference to the above words, the Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk, her postulator (the official responsible for gathering the evidence for her sanctification) indicated there was a risk that some might misinterpret her meaning, but her faith that God was working through her remained undiminished, and that while she pined for the lost sentiment of closeness with God, she did not question his existence.[90] and that she may have experienced something similar to what is believed of Jesus Christ when crucified who was heard to say "Eli Eli lama sabachthani?" which is translated to "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" Many other saints had similar experiences of spiritual dryness, or what Catholics believe to be spiritual tests ("passive purifications"), such as Mother Teresa's namesake, St. Therese of Lisieux, who called it a "night of nothingness."[90] Contrary to the mistaken belief by some that the doubts she expressed would be an impediment to canonization, just the opposite is true; it is very consistent with the experience of canonized mystics.[90]

Mother Teresa described, after ten years of doubt, a short period of renewed faith. At the time of the death of Pope Pius XII in the fall of 1958, praying for him at a requiem mass, she said she had been relieved of "the long darkness: that strange suffering." However, five weeks later, she described returning to her difficulties in believing.[91]

Mother Teresa wrote many letters to her confessors and superiors over a 66-year period. She had asked that her letters be destroyed, concerned that "people will think more of me�less of Jesus."[62][92] However, despite this request, the correspondences have been compiled in Mother Teresa: Come Be My Light (Doubleday).[62][93] In one publicly released letter to a spiritual confidant, the Rev. Michael van der Peet, she wrote, "Jesus has a very special love for you. [But] as for me, the silence and the emptiness is so great, that I look and do not see,�Listen and do not hear�the tongue moves [in prayer] but does not speak ... I want you to pray for me�that I let Him have [a] free hand."

Many news outlets have referred to Mother Teresa's writings as an indication of a "crisis of faith."[94] Christopher Hitchens wrote: "So, which is the more striking: that the faithful should bravely confront the fact that one of their heroines all but lost her own faith, or that the Church should have gone on deploying, as an icon of favorable publicity, a confused old lady who it knew had for all practical purposes ceased to believe?"[91] However, others such as Brian Kolodiejchuk, Come Be My Light's editor, draw comparisons to the 16th century mystic St. John of the Cross, who coined the term the "dark night of the soul" to describe a particular stage in the growth of some spiritual masters.[62] The Vatican has indicated that the letters would not affect her path to sainthood.[95] In fact, the book is edited by the Rev. Brian Kolodiejchuk, her postulator.[62]

In his first encyclical Deus Caritas Est, Benedict XVI mentioned Teresa of Calcutta three times and he also used her life to clarify one of his main points of the encyclical. "In the example of Blessed Teresa of Calcutta we have a clear illustration of the fact that time devoted to God in prayer not only does not detract from effective and loving service to our neighbour but is in fact the inexhaustible source of that service."[96] Mother Teresa specified that "It is only by mental prayer and spiritual reading that we can cultivate the gift of prayer."[97]

Although there was no direct connection between Mother Teresa's order and the Franciscan orders, she was known as a great admirer of St. Francis of Assisi.[98] Accordingly, her influence and life show influences of Franciscan spirituality. The Sisters of Charity recite the peace prayer of St. Francis every morning during thanksgiving after Communion and many of the vows and emphasis of her ministry are similar.[98] St. Francis emphasized poverty, chastity, obedience and submission to Christ. He also devoted much of his own life to service of the poor, especially lepers in the area where he lived.

NOTE # 62




Title:


Mother Teresa's Crisis of Faith - TIME

Author:


DAVID VAN BIEMA

Publication:


TIME Magazine

Publisher:


Time Inc.

Date:


Aug 23, 2007

Copyright � 2007, Time Inc. All rights reserved. Reprinted by permission.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 04:30 PM

Wow, I'd never heard about her having such a crisis of faith.

So if even Mother Teresa can have a crisis, then I guess it's okay if we do too wink

She did a lot for this world - even through that crisis, and that says a lot. She worked in a situation filled with despair and hopelessness, and even though she may have been filled with doubt, she did her best to bring hope to others.

That is power. That is love.

Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 04:48 PM

Good luck guys!! I got my Q.
Posted By: Lori - Marriage

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 04:56 PM

Mother Teresa inspires me. "I cannot do great things, but I can do small things with great love" is one of her quotations that I try to live by.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 04:59 PM

Originally Posted By: DeannaDreams/Spirituality
Wow, I'd never heard about her having such a crisis of faith.

So if even Mother Teresa can have a crisis, then I guess it's okay if we do too wink

She did a lot for this world - even through that crisis, and that says a lot. She worked in a situation filled with despair and hopelessness, and even though she may have been filled with doubt, she did her best to bring hope to others.

That is power. That is love.


That's Guts, That's Courage, That is the Power of God's Love smile!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 05:01 PM

Originally Posted By: DeannaDreams/Spirituality
Wow, I'd never heard about her having such a crisis of faith.

So if even Mother Teresa can have a crisis, then I guess it's okay if we do too wink

She did a lot for this world - even through that crisis, and that says a lot. She worked in a situation filled with despair and hopelessness, and even though she may have been filled with doubt, she did her best to bring hope to others.

That is power. That is love.



Deanna, please tell me everything you know about St. Patrick.. please ? irish
Posted By: Lori - Marriage

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 05:01 PM

I had a crisis of faith. A real crisis. I experienced that "dark night of the soul" and I can't express how wretched it was.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 05:04 PM

Originally Posted By: Lori - Marriage
I had a crisis of faith. A real crisis. I experienced that "dark night of the soul" and I can't express how wretched it was.

I've had about 3 or 4 that landed me in the mental hospital !
Completely cut off from God, Completely cut off from humankind.
Yuck.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 05:05 PM

Cool to the Q Dave smile
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 05:08 PM

Burt, what I know about St. Patrick is precious little.

Some of the stories are positive... others are that he basically wiped out the druids because their wisdom and support were keeping christianity from taking over.

Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 05:15 PM

Lori and Burt, you both mention having crisis of faith.

How did you get through them?

What helped you to see the light at the end of the tunnel?
Posted By: Lori - Marriage

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 05:53 PM

It's such a long story, Deanna, that I'm not sure there's room for it here. Even with my reputation for annoyingly long posts! LOL.

I got depressed, felt lost and bitter...But I suppose that I never really hit rock bottom where I believed there was no God at all. I just felt as though He had abandoned me. So I was able still to cry out to Him, even though I was saying things like, "I don't understand anything anymore. I don't know what to do."

I had imagined "what if" there were no God, and that felt bleak.

But I began to seek Him again without any religious dogma. I became very open-minded and studied all forms of spirituality to see what rang true. Something whispered to me to, "Follow the peace." And I did. The dark side can mimic and distort and defile every human emotion, except for true peace.

My understanding of God has expanded. I feel at peace. I'm still that little child but now I see God in ways that I never could have understood without breaking free of dogma.



Posted By: Linda19

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 06:26 PM

Hi Lori,

I have only ever had one crisis of faith and I was 12 years old.

My brother was dying at the same time some Apollo astronauts were stuck in space behind the Moon. I sat looking at the Moon begging God to let my baby brother live, and to bring the space men back to Earth.

The space men came back, my brother died. I could not understand why God had forsaken me and my brother, yet allowed spacemen to live.

I understood eventually, I have never lost faith since that time. God is with all of us, all of the time, we just have to make the first move.

Our faith is between our soul and its Creator, no dogma required for that.

God bless
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 07:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Deanna Spirit Dreams
Lori and Burt, you both mention having crisis of faith.

How did you get through them?

What helped you to see the light at the end of the tunnel?


I was diagnosed with bi-polar depression in 1977 when I was 16yrs. old. Every time I broke up with a girl I ended up in the psych ward...

Hospitalizations occurded at ages 16, 22, 23, 27, 30 48

Please take the time to view these videos which explain the death of the ego and a spiritual emergency..

[url=http://www.youtube.com/user/bipolarorwakingup][/url]
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 07:25 PM

Originally Posted By: Lori - Marriage
It's such a long story, Deanna, that I'm not sure there's room for it here. Even with my reputation for annoyingly long posts! LOL.

I got depressed, felt lost and bitter...But I suppose that I never really hit rock bottom where I believed there was no God at all. I just felt as though He had abandoned me. So I was able still to cry out to Him, even though I was saying things like, "I don't understand anything anymore. I don't know what to do."

I had imagined "what if" there were no God, and that felt bleak.

But I began to seek Him again without any religious dogma. I became very open-minded and studied all forms of spirituality to see what rang true. Something whispered to me to, "Follow the peace." And I did. The dark side can mimic and distort and defile every human emotion, except for true peace.

My understanding of God has expanded. I feel at peace. I'm still that little child but now I see God in ways that I never could have understood without breaking free of dogma.


Lori,

You understand that there will be impostors along the way.. and we deal with forces within and without that are far beyond our ken...
The fallen ones have ripped me to shreds several times.
I became homeless, penniless, and literally begging for bread in the streets of the USA !!!

Please look at the bipolar or waking up videos I put in another post... it is one of the most clear explanations of what the heck happened to me...

I wanted God so bad... that the very gates of hell tried to murder me 3 times, and the successfully drove me insane many times over... my blessed longsuffering parents.. who are gone now...
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 07:29 PM

Originally Posted By: Deanna Spirit Dreams
Burt, what I know about St. Patrick is precious little.

Some of the stories are positive... others are that he basically wiped out the druids because their wisdom and support were keeping christianity from taking over.

My Beloved Who Will Yet Go to the Mountain
to Fast and Pray with Me That the Serpents
Might Be Expelled from the Earth:

Let us go to the mountain in the land of Erin where a youth enslaved by pagans is in prayer through the day and into the night. So fervent is the love of God within him that the fire of his heart is a light midst snow and ice. He lived on the mountain, alone with God, tending his master�s herds. And on that mountain I called my son Patrick, that out of the condition of servitude there might be produced the miracle fire of freedom.

It was late fourth century A.D. and the clans of the Irish�the reincarnated tribes of Ephraim and Manasseh�were ruled by a host of kings. They served not the Lord God, nor had they the salvation of his Son. Therefore I, the Ancient of Days, called my son, freeborn, unto slavery that I might deliver him to freedom and to the mission of implanting the violet flame in the hearts of my true sons and daughters that they might one day carry it to the New World in the name of Saint Germain.

To him I gave the vision of the people of Erin whose seed would one day ignite the fires of freedom on every shore and in every nation. Your own prophet Mark derived his fervor from that lineage of the Ancient of Days which goes back to the emerald isle. And the Irish eyes of Thomas Moore, poet and prince of my heart, yet smile through the sternness of El Morya and his twinkle of mirth always needed on earth.

Finally restored to his kinsfolk after six years of humbling himself before me on the mountain, tending sheep as he would soon feed my sheep, Patrick heard the voices of the souls of my children crying out from the land of Erin for deliverance: �We beseech thee, holy youth, to come and walk among us once more.� Indeed they remembered him when he had walked among them as a prophet in Israel, rebuking their waywardness in the name of the Lord. Now they awaited the message of their salvation through Messiah�s anointed apostle.

Patrick prepared for his mission under the lineage of the Ruby Ray and with the saints of the inner Church. And that mission, my beloved, was to subdue the seed of Serpent in Ireland and to raise up the tribes of Israel, the remnant of Joseph�s seed who would be Christ-bearers to the nations. Empowered of the Holy Ghost and bearing the Staff of Jesus, he wielded such power and wrought such miracles that pagan chiefs and decadent druids bowed in submission to this rod of Aaron that, in the new tongue, became the rod of Erin.

So perilous was the mission of the shamrock saint of the fifth ray that he wrote in his �Confession�: �Daily I expect either a violent death or to be robbed and reduced to slavery or the occurrence of some such calamity. I have cast myself into the hands of Almighty God, for He rules everything; as the Prophet sayeth, �Cast thy care upon the Lord, and He Himself will sustain thee.��

Well might you emulate the courage and the humility of my son Patrick when he boldly challenged Prince Corotick, that serpent who dared plunder Patrick�s domain, massacring a great number of neophytes, as it is written, who were yet in their white garments after baptism; and others he carried away and sold to infidels.

Patrick circulated a letter in his own hand pronouncing the judgment of Corotick and his accomplices and declaring them separate from him as the established Bishop of Ireland, and from Jesus Christ. He forbade the faithful �to eat with them, or to receive their alms, till they should have satisfied God by the tears of sincere penance, and restored the servants of Jesus Christ to their liberty.� <1>

Such is the true Work and Word of the saints of the Ruby Ray who, with all due seriousness, receive the sign of their coming in the taking up of serpents. Thousands upon thousands of the descendants of Jacob�s favorite son were baptized and confirmed by the Lord Jesus through my son Patrick. Like the apostle Paul, he bound the power of Serpent�s seed that had invaded the land of Erin; and like him, he healed their sick, he restored sight�both inner and outer�to their blind, and he raised Abram�s seed�dead in body and in spirit�to new life through the indwelling Christ by the Word of Christ Jesus, his beloved.

Now the Ascended Master Saint Patrick stands with me on the summit of Mount Aigli where, at the close of his earthly sojourn, he retreated forty days and forty nights, fasting in body and in spirit that he might be filled with the light of the Ancient of Days. There on that occasion fifteen hundred years ago, I summoned all the saints of Erin�the light of Aaron�s priesthood and the lightbearers of the Christic seed of Joseph <2>�past, present, and future, to pay homage to him who was father to them all.

Again I call the saints to a pilgrimage to the mountain to bless and be blessed by Patrick, to be infilled with his Spirit, to receive his mantle, to pray fervently that the fruit of all of his labors might provide a plenteous harvest in this age unto the World Mother who labors long for her children and for the Manchild.

Posted By: Lori - Marriage

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 08:26 PM

Actually, I didn't explain myself very well in the above post. It was not depression that caused my crisis of faith. It was the result of it.

What caused the crisis was when I faced some really challenging times and I felt as though God withdrew from me. I was calling out and pleading for Him, as I always did, but this time, He wasn't there. He just wasn't there. I felt as though I was left to hang out and dry.

I dealt with the death of my son without losing faith. I faced having to leave the one blessed religion I learned to love because He gave me a spouse who refused to travel down that road of faith with me. Then, I even had to start from scratch as to what I believed to walk with this man back to having faith in God. Through it all, I could still feel His presence in my life. I felt as though I did what He wanted me to do, but then I needed Him and He wasn't there.

That was my crisis.

Now, I see that there was a clear and distinct purpose for me to experience that dark night of the soul. You just can't fully appreciate the light of God until you have felt its absence. I've always felt the light of God from the time I was born and perhaps took it for granted. Like a little child who does not treat her father with the due reverence of his majestic stature because, to her, he is just daddy. He is daddy. But He is also God.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 08:38 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Good luck guys!! I got my Q.


So what's a "Q" anyway?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 10:08 PM

Originally Posted By: Deanna Spirit Dreams
Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Good luck guys!! I got my Q.


So what's a "Q" anyway?


I second that motion...

Me not know.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 10:16 PM

"Q" as in cue? Taking a hint or directive?
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 10:17 PM

I wonder what hint?

Hmmm...
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 10:36 PM

What else could "Q" mean? Quest? Dave often takes off on quests.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/25/11 10:52 PM

That was more what I was thinking. I know he gets busy.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 01:52 AM

I didn't know where to put this Phyllis... and since this is a current thread... I wonder what...

I wonder what my brothers and sisters have to say... is it you or is it me ?

In an effort to keep childlike wonder and awe, I became a simpleton.
Removing the mask from myself, I became the target of others.
Wanting to love all life free, I ended up hating myself.
In dealing with brash souls, I became self-deprecating.
Trying to remove pain and suffering from the world, I imploded.
In trying to understand why people hurt and kill, I became violent.
In navigating a fake and false society, I became a recluse.
In fleeing from the darkness, I became midnight blue.
Return to me o time and space for I am your mother, and I shall cuddle thee.
Stars, Galaxys and clusters of honey and oats slip between unbridled hands.
The formless required the form so the individual could slip into the sea.
Father, Mother, Child, Saint, Sage all are one so remove the mask from thyself o little one and turn the page, for you too are a part of life and as you gain compassion for yourself and integrate all your dreams of freeing others will come true for they are a part of me and a part of you.
I went from a hero to a zero in an effort to reset myself.
The universe is infinite filled with wonder and awe.
I looked at myself as a straw man then universal intelligence pulled out that critical straw, my ego lying in a million pieces there on the hospital floor.
Let me re-build you the universal said, homeless and penniless begging for bread were all just lessons upon this thin thread that you thought were your life - but I am here to say, " Expand your consciousness and drop all dread, for those who fear to know, to dare and to do are all dead ".
God is consciousness or so they say... all dread, terror, fear and pain are but temporary recordings on a thin sliver of this one embodiment... on this one thread.
Love, Light, Beauty, Peace, Joy are the only things that last.
A nebulous concept you say, because you're living in the past.
The Past, The Present and The Future are all within thy grasp, Time is an illusion which one day will collapse -- then there you are standing all alone afraid to swim in the sea...
Yet, the ocean is my heartbeat and at last we all are free !
I am you and you are me -- life is one congruent whole albeit we see independently the facets of the diamond heart the same exact one in the heart of thee and me.

I wonder what my brothers and sisters have to say... is it you or is it me ?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:43 AM

I think this is a good place to put it, Burt.

Is it you or me? It is all of humanity...each part, each quality, each minute thought all comes together to make the whole.

Did you write this?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 03:19 AM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
I think this is a good place to put it, Burt.

Is it you or me? It is all of humanity...each part, each quality, each minute thought all comes together to make the whole.

Did you write this?


Yes I did Phyllis, Thank You for allowing me to post it here.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 12:54 PM

Well, this is Deanna's forum so she is the one who allows or not in this forum. But, you are welcome, Burt.

I really like your poem. Some may think it not a poem, but it is a form of poetry, free verse form. It is well thought out and brings forth many aspects in struggles of humanity and in each individual's spirituality. It is a very good piece for study of life and spiritual growth.

Do you write like this often, Burt? You should, for you seem to have a talent for it.

I am anxious to know what Deanna and others think about your poem - or, what do you call it? I think it is "free verse poetry". Very well done, too.

Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:04 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Well, this is Deanna's forum so she is the one who allows or not in this forum. But, you are welcome, Burt.

I really like your poem. Some may think it not a poem, but it is a form of poetry, free verse form. It is well thought out and brings forth many aspects in struggles of humanity and in each individual's spirituality. It is a very good piece for study of life and spiritual growth.

Do you write like this often, Burt? You should, for you seem to have a talent for it.

I am anxious to know what Deanna and others think about your poem - or, what do you call it? I think it is "free verse poetry". Very well done, too.

It ' hits me ' out of the blue when I'm contemplating the mystery of divine beings in human forms. If it helps others on our collective journey, then I have my reward. Thank You for being excited about it and encouraging. A lady in Greece also called it free form. Let me see if I can pull another one I posted on another forum. If you can promote it and get more eyeballs on it, that would be wonderful. God gets the glory. Him / Her / It owns and creates all things of beauty. Thank You for the compliment.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:15 PM

Burt B your poem is profound and thought provoking. I sense that all can relate to one or some or all of the sentiments that you've expressed so beautifully.

Peace.

Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:19 PM

Originally Posted By: anna*AHHA* Ruscult*
Burt B your poem is profound and thought provoking. I sense that all can relate to one or some or all of the sentiments that you've expressed so beautifully.

Peace.

Thanks Ah Ha -- one of my favorite bands.. which cuts do you like the best ? What part of Russian Culture are you most in tune with ? What is the name of that huge statue of a woman in the middle of a field ?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:20 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Well, this is Deanna's forum so she is the one who allows or not in this forum. But, you are welcome, Burt.

I really like your poem. Some may think it not a poem, but it is a form of poetry, free verse form. It is well thought out and brings forth many aspects in struggles of humanity and in each individual's spirituality. It is a very good piece for study of life and spiritual growth.

Do you write like this often, Burt? You should, for you seem to have a talent for it.

I am anxious to know what Deanna and others think about your poem - or, what do you call it? I think it is "free verse poetry". Very well done, too.

My shattered soul understands -- millions of pieces lying on the floor.
5am vitals to group at 10am -- trying to be kind trying to be gentle and be a friend.
Asking personal questions a kind sort of gesture -- I became the terror that everyone feared.
I lost my soul asking questions -- no body cared.
Feast or Famine get the money you need -- but please let me sleep my mind is shattered indeed.
Fear of Death, Fear of Life -- oh why did I come here to face this strife?
Kind and Gentle, Sweet and Forgiving too... only kindles the wrath of someone new.
Forsaken of Friends, God and Humanity too.. Thank God for Strong Parents.. Only they had a clue.
Young and Strong and Fearless was what they said -- all this talking and thinking of God is only in your head.
That is Superstition and Inquisition too... Didn't you read the papers -- They'll give you a clue.
God is Dead so the educated say, get on with your life as Bono once said.
Some dead guy on a cross around him they were the prey.
Revered by some -- others lead astray.
God had Forsaken Us -- so go your way, we have a new God Called Money and it is here to stay.
Get that [censored] out of your head you half-breed freak, we have a Golden Calf one who does not speak.
Your God is Dead -- Wars have proven that... now get your education real soon.
Screw your brother before he has a chance to screw you !
We're all just animals on this animal farm -- Face Reality Scum before they burn your barn.
Take your money and your wife -- rape her in front of your face because they have the right !
Rule by Power, Crush any Stray -- then your voice will ring down the corridor.
Die you sick [censored] mortal for we keep our cause.
Die you sick [censored] mortal for the sheeple know their plight.
We've stolen your money, and your right to be..
So stand and fight if you want to, it doesn't matter to me...
You'll die anyway, bond or free.
Give us a chance to prove your existence -- you vapor on the wind.
You seek a reason for being -- a chance to win.
Many have tried, but few have won.
Yes, I know your hunger Child of the Sun.
The Womb-Man of the Righteous try to set yourself free.
Wrapped in strands of illusion, don't you know I have Hope for thee.
Yes, I know your pain and suffering, but this is not the end.
God is your friend forever only on him you can depend.
Spirit Sparks in Mother's Womb, the silent sweet and tender care, she bore you in travail now listen to the sound...
The World Mother seeketh to woo her children home.
She Wolf defendith she will always seek her own.
Wake my little darlings -- put away your strife.
I come to dry your tears forever, come see what I have prepared.
Elysian Fields of Forever, where there is nary a care.
Father and Mother are waiting for you to be alone.
To take care in understanding that this is not your permanent home.
You stubbed your toe on illusion, the day we both weeped.
Now understand Only Good Lasts Forever my wayward little child..
Find Forever in Your Heart.
The Matter Universe is your tender Cr�che it was created for you.
A crib suspended in Our Heart for We have foreseen.
Your day of nativity dark as though it may seem.
Now piece together your fragments -- puzzle of soul to solve.
Be kind to everyone who passes your way -- even though they be less evolved.
For Only Love Lasts Forever always tender and new..
Not always understood by the masses... yet only by the few.
So put away you toys of destruction -- self inflicted too...
For the few shall become the many regardless of outer strife..
Death is only real to those who entertain it..
Mom and Dad always knew...
The Universe was Created for you my darlings.
For the many and the few.
-- Burt B.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:35 PM

I love it, Burt! Very thought provoking.

I would like to see you put your poems into a site that is really into free verse and other forms of poetry. I write articles and poems (well not too many poems yet) for HubPages. In fact, in November, I am joining the poetry contest and hope to win some accolades and attention for my budding poetry. If you are interested, check out the site. They love poetry - especially the deep, spiritual verses that make people ponder and want more such words of deep thought.

Anna sure seems to like your poetry, too. As Anna says, it is profound!

PM me if you are interested and I can help you get started at HubPages.

Yet, do stay with us here at BellaOnline, too. You are a deep thinker and write well.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:35 PM

Burt B you are a clever one! Take on Me is the only song that comes to mind. AHHA = anna in Russian and I'm most in tune with the more creative aspects of the site such as books & literature, food, customs/folklore (the ancient ways -- for example Mokosh was the Russian people's version of the Great Goddess.)

History is interesting but as we know people put their own unique spin on it......where lies the truth? And "facts" well heck numbers can be manipulated, no?

**What statue of a woman in a field do you speak of?**

I enjoyed the second poem too: it rings out with truths that need to be heard...

Thanks for sharing.

Peace.

Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:44 PM

Let's Rock Phyllis !!
Light the torch and let the Muse Begin !
Oh Delphi, Delphi where are thou ?
Vesta come to me inspire me now !
I'm a poet and don't know it... my feet show it... They're Longfellows !! smile !!!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:48 PM

Take on Me was the coolest video I ever have seen.. I loved the pencil animation !!! It was booeful !!
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:53 PM

The VESTAL VIRGINS are at your side as your journey continues.........
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: anna*AHHA* Ruscult*
Burt B you are a clever one! Take on Me is the only song that comes to mind. AHHA = anna in Russian and I'm most in tune with the more creative aspects of the site such as books & literature, food, customs/folklore (the ancient ways -- for example Mokosh was the Russian people's version of the Great Goddess.)

History is interesting but as we know people put their own unique spin on it......where lies the truth? And "facts" well heck numbers can be manipulated, no?

**What statue of a woman in a field do you speak of?**

I enjoyed the second poem too: it rings out with truths that need to be heard...

Thanks for sharing.

Peace.


The Motherland Calls in Volgograd.. wiki it smile
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:55 PM

Originally Posted By: anna*AHHA* Ruscult*
Burt B you are a clever one! Take on Me is the only song that comes to mind. AHHA = anna in Russian and I'm most in tune with the more creative aspects of the site such as books & literature, food, customs/folklore (the ancient ways -- for example Mokosh was the Russian people's version of the Great Goddess.)


Hi Anna. I am doing some comparative mythology on ancient Mother Goddesses. I will write about Mokosh. I have not yet come across anything about her - so thanks for mentioning her. I love to research literature and mythology. smile
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 02:58 PM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Let's Rock Phyllis !!
Light the torch and let the Muse Begin !
Oh Delphi, Delphi where are thou ?
Vesta come to me inspire me now !
I'm a poet and don't know it... my feet show it... They're Longfellows !! smile !!!


laugh You are in a good mood today! So, do you want to sign up at HubPages and strut your stuff? I have a feeling you will do quite well publishing your poetry.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 03:07 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Let's Rock Phyllis !!
Light the torch and let the Muse Begin !
Oh Delphi, Delphi where are thou ?
Vesta come to me inspire me now !
I'm a poet and don't know it... my feet show it... They're Longfellows !! smile !!!


laugh You are in a good mood today! So, do you want to sign up at HubPages and strut your stuff? I have a feeling you will do quite well publishing your poetry.

Ever hear of lulu. com ?
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 03:08 PM

Publishing?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 03:13 PM

Publishing on the web, just like we as editors do here at BellaOnline. I thought it would be good for Burt to start publishing his poetry online for some recognition on his creativity.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 03:15 PM

lulu? I think I have heard of that site - I am not familiar with it though.

Your poetry is very spiritual. Do you write for lulu? I am jealous! I thought you were writing for Anna and me. smile
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 03:22 PM

Ditto the sentiments.

Burt B do you already have published works out there?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/26/11 03:44 PM

Writing, especially poetry, is a very spiritual task with me. It takes me to a place where I am in touch with the spiritual side of myself and Nature. That is why I am happy to see you have an interest in writing, Burt -- it is good for the soul.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 02:39 AM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Writing, especially poetry, is a very spiritual task with me. It takes me to a place where I am in touch with the spiritual side of myself and Nature. That is why I am happy to see you have an interest in writing, Burt -- it is good for the soul.

For Phyllis and Anna my hearts' delight:
This was created today WED 10-26-2011

No room for remorse my triad said, go swim with Neptune Luara o Luara whence come my dread.
I've seen the sea raging striving to give rebirth.
Watch the darkness, tumble and be pounded, forget the surf.
The sand grits your teeth, armpits and lungs too..
Your fortune of forever is lost in the swill,
Forget you've ever seen me maiden of the mist.
Your chill has gone past the bone,
For every siren knows...
The best is for last who foreknew.
The eyes have lost their sanity you are in for it now...
The depths have swallowed your mortal opinions,
No whys, wheres and wherefores will save you from my graceful sea cow.
She swims with her brood Manatee park will shew.
Propellers of mechanics slice her gray flesh.
Rough slap of tinker toys all fall in rust.
Newness of life the cycles say.
Open your eye single in the forehead.
You see I've been here forever.
Oh ocean mist of sage.
Smudge sticks have their place the natives all knew.
Four Faces Four Forces all blend into one.
Now get out of your bathtub you wrinkled little wretch.
Vestal Virgins of virtue are not the first nor the last.
They know the translucence of earth's long forgotten past.
Kitten hijinks tender, mild, meek full of virtue too...
Shall resonate forever to your dim-witted mind.
Looking for life all around you, yet forgetting to be kind.
Remember the invisible put away your fouling fuel.
Soot of coal was heavy a phase you had to go through.
Transmute, Transmute, Transmute your darkness,
Easy if you try.
Culture of The Mother, veneration indeed.
Come triune my sanity... Love, Wisdom, Power too.
Infinite Niagara expand your thimble thoughts.
Tempest in a teapot has mesmerized you.
Come play in my ocean in the newness of Love.
Don't sit on the sidelines licking your wounds.
Your seed is my heart flame blazing up toward the brow.
My gestation is comforting warm in the tummy too..
Forget Tiamat that dragon of yore.
Oh lusty manchild come forth now, there is no such thing as sin...
I have been here forever so silky and smooth..
Velvety darkness with every subtle hue.
Translucent your body for mother to be.
Expand your narrow room in my sweet forgiving sea.


Anna and Phyllis, God pays all of my bills, he really does.
I have heard it said, and I know it to be true that what any one person reads the race reads. So, if you like this stuff and want to help me, get as many of your friends on BELLA to put their eyes on it.. I would really like to hear their thoughts especially Deanna, Lori, and Elsie... But, remember this was written for my hearts' delight.
Sincerely,
-- Burt B.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 02:42 AM

Originally Posted By: Lori - Marriage

Now, I see that there was a clear and distinct purpose for me to experience that dark night of the soul. You just can't fully appreciate the light of God until you have felt its absence. I've always felt the light of God from the time I was born and perhaps took it for granted. Like a little child who does not treat her father with the due reverence of his majestic stature because, to her, he is just daddy. He is daddy. But He is also God.


Lori, thank you so much for sharing your story. You are such a loving and compassionate person - and with your experience now you are such a light to others who may experiencing that loss of faith.

I can remember being a child and seeing God as father - but, as a child whose own father had never been in the picture, I believe God did notice me - in essence - I saw him as just another father who was not there for his children.

I don't know that I had a crisis of faith - I became an atheist for a while (which I'm sure wouldn't have been considered atheism, as I was [censored] at God LOL). And I think things just kept popping into my environment that gently brought me back... the angels mostly! Ya! That was it! It's all coming back now LOL.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 02:44 AM

Oh Linda, that would be very hurtful, wouldn't it. Especially to a 12 year old child.

I too believe God is with us all the time. I like to think of the sun shining outside - we want some of that sunlight, we have to open the blinds.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 02:53 AM

Burt, I watched that video - pretty interesting stuff.

So is there something you do now that's different than what you did before that seems more helpful?
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 02:56 AM

Hey Burt! Great poetry! I absolutely love it.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 03:01 AM

Originally Posted By: Deanna Spirit Dreams
Burt, I watched that video - pretty interesting stuff.

So is there something you do now that's different than what you did before that seems more helpful?

Yeah, I became a recluse... I did smile
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 03:02 AM

Originally Posted By: Deanna Spirit Dreams
Hey Burt! Great poetry! I absolutely love it.

Did you see the other two that Phyllis and Anna really enjoyed?
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 03:03 AM

laugh For some reason, I could just imagine your eyebrows going up and down as you said that LOL.

Is it important to keep things peaceful around yourself?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 03:09 AM

Originally Posted By: Deanna Spirit Dreams
laugh For some reason, I could just imagine your eyebrows going up and down as you said that LOL.

Is it important to keep things peaceful around yourself?

Tranquility Base here...
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 03:10 AM

Do you remember that Styx song, Boat on the River? laugh
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 03:11 AM

Ooops... lost part of that post.

"All roads lead to tranquility base, where the frown on my face disappears."
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 03:20 AM

Originally Posted By: Deanna Spirit Dreams
Ooops... lost part of that post.

"All roads lead to tranquility base, where the frown on my face disappears."

O.M.G. I just played it right now !!
beemp3 . com -- is the bomb !!!
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 02:48 PM

Burt, thank you for the lovely poem you wrote for Anna and me. That is very sweet of you.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 10/27/11 03:15 PM

Burt B thank you for sharing with me and Phyllis -- the poem was lovely. I love the ocean deeply, her creatures, her moods and I can understand how all life originated from her womb. Perhaps I was a mermaid once.

You have a way with words; and you tickle the mind with thoughts.

For every siren knows...
The best is for last who foreknew.


I imagine that when the inspiration comes, the words flow effortlessly like the waves pounding the shoreline.

Peace. Keep on writing!!!!!

fish

Deanna Styx is a favorite too, especially "Come Sail Away."

Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 10/29/11 07:51 PM

A said to B, "I need oil." B said to A, "There is not enough for us both, go within." A ran to look for oil and while away____________________. I wonder if physical oil is symbolic of an essential commodity? Blessed Be
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/29/11 08:26 PM

Light in the chakras.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/29/11 09:18 PM

I usually catch on to things like this -- today I am a bit under the weather and need a nap I guess. Dave and Burt, You two have lost me. confused Is this a secret code? smile

Maybe my chakras need oiling?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 10/29/11 09:23 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
I usually catch on to things like this -- today I am a bit under the weather and need a nap I guess. Dave and Burt, You two have lost me. confused Is this a secret code? smile

The 10 Virgins in the bible... and the bridegroom cometh..
What is the oil ?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/29/11 09:34 PM

Wisdom...or love?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/29/11 09:44 PM

Meditate...meditate......oh! I got it!
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 10/30/11 01:09 PM

Burt,

Deanna, Anna, and I love your poetry as you already know. You may get even more attention to it if you put it in the Poetry Forum. I gave you directions of how to get there in Elleise's forum with Onealone's message.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/06/11 07:35 PM

Originally Posted By: Deanna Spirit Dreams
Lori and Burt, you both mention having crisis of faith.

How did you get through them?

What helped you to see the light at the end of the tunnel

Dearest Deanna Thou Comfort Flame of My Soul -- Oh Boy, Get the Waders Out... It's Getting Deep !! sick
1) I'm not this physical body.
2) Jesus Christ taught the science of reincarnation.
3) Planet Earth is a temporary assignment.
4) I Volunteered to come to this planet from our sister star Venus.
5) The Great White Brotherhood <color of purity white aura not skin color> is composed of numberless number of Christ Free Beings of which each star in the night sky is a marker left in the matter universe of the victorious overcoming of eternal life.
6) Life conspires for your eternal freedom.
7) I have been granted complete and total sovereign control of an entire personal cosmos.
8) Death is not real - the body is just a pair of clothes.
9) There are spiritual beings Bodhisattvas who will wait for the worst of the worst to be perfected in God.
10) As far as The Father and The Mother God are concerned we never left home.
11) Planet Earth has been raped by Scientifically Superior but Spiritually Bankrupt beings over 450,000 years ago.
12) The Kingdom of Heaven is a state of being you can experience now, you don't have to die.
13) I am a baby god continuously cared for by Father/Mother God who are always in Love.
14) You learn more in suffering and pain than you do in surface happiness - after the avenging angel of fire rips out of you all that is not pleasing to God, you have a deeper and more abiding and eternal sense of Joy.
15) The process of wretched darkness is our own doing.
16) Planet Earth has a long history of Black Magic.
17) There are individuals who are very far advanced in using Black Magic.
18) This current civilization is not the greatest that has graced earth.
19) The axiom of I will write my laws in their inward parts.
20) Our genetics have been messed with long ago.
21) When you turn about face and want God, all the thousands of embodiments that you ate, drank, and were merry come due as payment.
22) There is no injustice in the universe.. no where.
23) Earth is under quarantine until we grow up.
24) There are better places to be.. yet we lost our freedom here and must gain it here back.
25) You must be your own guru in this epoch.
26) Nothing is lost that is permanently good.
27) This is just the beginning of the permanent golden age civilization.
28) Each person has to open the door for themselves.
29) There have been 3 golden ages on earth before the fall.
30) No one can stop the wave of light from god.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/06/11 08:15 PM

"Oh Boy, Get the Waders Out... It's Getting Deep !!"

Yup! That is pretty deep, Burt !! Lots of soulful thoughts there to ponder. smile
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/06/11 10:25 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
"Oh Boy, Get the Waders Out... It's Getting Deep !!"

Yup! That is pretty deep, Burt !! Lots of soulful thoughts there to ponder. smile
I was wondering how you were going to react... Let's consider it a Juggernaut to get you through crunch time to win that contest !! Hmmm... it sure would be cool if each of you gals and guys would go through each point and let me know your gut.. pretty !!
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/06/11 11:31 PM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
"Oh Boy, Get the Waders Out... It's Getting Deep !!"

Yup! That is pretty deep, Burt !! Lots of soulful thoughts there to ponder. smile
I was wondering how you were going to react... Let's consider it a Juggernaut to get you through crunch time to win that contest !! Hmmm... it sure would be cool if each of you gals and guys would go through each point and let me know your gut.. pretty !!


There you go a'wondering again. smile I love it when you wonder, for then all manner of interesting things come out to ponder about. All righty then, let us take it a few at a time (that is one hecka long list, Brother dear). smile

1) I'm not this physical body.

I agree. My spirit is the essence of me. My body is a cloak I wear in public.

2) Jesus Christ taught the science of reincarnation.

I agree. Did He not raise Lazereth from the dead? Was not Job tested and tested through many life times to see if his faith would hold up? Yes, Job was given, or chose, many life times -- for in each life all he loved was taken from him, yet in the last life, when all was restored, for even after all the loss he suffered, he still stood strong in faith of Jesus Christ and God.

I am aware of at least six past life times of my own. In each past life, I know how I lived and how I died.

3) Planet Earth is a temporary assignment.

It most definitely is! With each lifetime we choose to live, we are sent back to this University to learn.

4) I Volunteered to come to this planet from our sister star Venus.

I did volunteer to come back, for I had much to learn. I do not know if I came back from our sister Venus, I do know though that I was studying the Akashic Records -- wherever that is, some place in Heaven, I believe. It was in an enormously large Olympian type temple, large round pillars all over throughout the temple, marble covered floors, gossamer white fabric hanging down from high above to separate sections of the temple, no doors, no walls. I was walking and talking with my teacher who was quite tall, we were both dressed in white robes. Everything was very clean and very white.

Comments, anyone?

Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/06/11 11:53 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
"Oh Boy, Get the Waders Out... It's Getting Deep !!"

Yup! That is pretty deep, Burt !! Lots of soulful thoughts there to ponder. smile
I was wondering how you were going to react... Let's consider it a Juggernaut to get you through crunch time to win that contest !! Hmmm... it sure would be cool if each of you gals and guys would go through each point and let me know your gut.. pretty !!


There you go a'wondering again. smile I love it when you wonder, for then all manner of interesting things come out to ponder about. All righty then, let us take it a few at a time (that is one hecka long list, Brother dear). smile

1) I'm not this physical body.

I agree. My spirit is the essence of me. My body is a cloak I wear in public.

2) Jesus Christ taught the science of reincarnation.

I agree. Did He not raise Lazereth from the dead? Was not Job tested and tested through many life times to see if his faith would hold up? Yes, Job was given, or chose, many life times -- for in each life all he loved was taken from him, yet in the last life, when all was restored, for even after all the loss he suffered, he still stood strong in faith of Jesus Christ and God.

I am aware of at least six past life times of my own. In each past life, I know how I lived and how I died.

3) Planet Earth is a temporary assignment.

It most definitely is! With each lifetime we choose to live, we are sent back to this University to learn.

4) I Volunteered to come to this planet from our sister star Venus.

I did volunteer to come back, for I had much to learn. I do not know if I came back from our sister Venus, I do know though that I was studying the Akashic Records -- wherever that is, some place in Heaven, I believe. It was in an enormously large Olympian type temple, large round pillars all over throughout the temple, marble covered floors, gossamer white fabric hanging down from high above to separate sections of the temple, no doors, no walls. I was walking and talking with my teacher who was quite tall, we were both dressed in white robes. Everything was very clean and very white.

Comments, anyone?


Dearest Fair Helena Dear using the pseudonym Phyllis - Mentor, Sister, Soul Mate of Yore - to whom God giveth the key to open my heart once more to universal light we once knew - for the many and the few. It's Pretty that you would respond with such depth hehe smile This is Fun !!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/06/11 11:54 PM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
"Oh Boy, Get the Waders Out... It's Getting Deep !!"

Yup! That is pretty deep, Burt !! Lots of soulful thoughts there to ponder. smile
I was wondering how you were going to react... Let's consider it a Juggernaut to get you through crunch time to win that contest !! Hmmm... it sure would be cool if each of you gals and guys would go through each point and let me know your gut.. pretty !!


There you go a'wondering again. smile I love it when you wonder, for then all manner of interesting things come out to ponder about. All righty then, let us take it a few at a time (that is one hecka long list, Brother dear). smile

1) I'm not this physical body.

I agree. My spirit is the essence of me. My body is a cloak I wear in public.

2) Jesus Christ taught the science of reincarnation.

I agree. Did He not raise Lazereth from the dead? Was not Job tested and tested through many life times to see if his faith would hold up? Yes, Job was given, or chose, many life times -- for in each life all he loved was taken from him, yet in the last life, when all was restored, for even after all the loss he suffered, he still stood strong in faith of Jesus Christ and God.

I am aware of at least six past life times of my own. In each past life, I know how I lived and how I died.

3) Planet Earth is a temporary assignment.

It most definitely is! With each lifetime we choose to live, we are sent back to this University to learn.

4) I Volunteered to come to this planet from our sister star Venus.

I did volunteer to come back, for I had much to learn. I do not know if I came back from our sister Venus, I do know though that I was studying the Akashic Records -- wherever that is, some place in Heaven, I believe. It was in an enormously large Olympian type temple, large round pillars all over throughout the temple, marble covered floors, gossamer white fabric hanging down from high above to separate sections of the temple, no doors, no walls. I was walking and talking with my teacher who was quite tall, we were both dressed in white robes. Everything was very clean and very white.

Comments, anyone?


Dearest Fair Helena Dear using the pseudonym Phyllis - Mentor, Sister, Soul Mate of Yore - to whom God giveth the key to open my heart once more to universal light we once knew - for the many and the few. It's Pretty that you would respond with such depth hehe smile This is Fun !!
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 12:06 AM

Yes, this is fun! I really like to discuss deep, thought-provoking, topics like this.

Where did the list go? I will have to run back and pick up the next few on the list. Thankee, Burt, thankee berry much! Your words of endearments make me smile and feel giddy. B right back.

Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 12:59 AM

Originally Posted By: PhyllisFolkMythAppalachia
Yes, this is fun! I really like to discuss deep, thought-provoking, topics like this.

Where did the list go? I will have to run back and pick up the next few on the list. Thankee, Burt, thankee berry much! Your words of endearments make me smile and feel giddy. B right back.
Me giddy too.. Love is Love is Love -- It is eternal. It is universal, all pervading and fierce to protect her own.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 01:18 AM

All we need is...love.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 02:48 AM

Who Burt!!! I LOVE LOVE LOVE the list!

#9 I remember hearing a story of these beings who became enlightened. They said "See ya when you become enlightened," then they left for heaven. Then there were the beings who became enlightened. They said "I'll wait for you at the gates of heaven. Hurry!" Then there were these beings, and when they became enlightened they said "what, not everyone else is enlightened yet? I'll just stay then - thank you." And they stayed.

I am SOOOOO thankful they stayed!

Imagine how powerful it would be to read this list each morning and then just before bedtime!
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 02:53 AM

You know, I've had dreams where everything was clean and white. But these men were coming after me as the whole place was falling apart! The village - made of white stone - was on the sea - and there were literally bricks going right up to the water. I ran to the water (sometimes I fly) and meet this dolphin who helps me escape.

Some Toltec mythology says that we started farther out in the solar system - and as we become higher vibrational beings, we can move closer to the sun. So Venus, according to Toltec folklore, would be the next stop.

Of course, that's Toltec folklore smile

Though I do believe we have a sister star... but saw it as an inter-dimensional type of thing.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 04:44 AM

Atlantis! You were at Atlantis, too, Deanna.

Aww! So, Venus it is. I will love to romp and play on our Sister Star Venus. I will have to research that Toltec lore -- that is very interesting.

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 04:50 AM

I believe in the Bible it says that Jesus said something like: I give you three things to keep, Faith, Hope, and Love -- and the greatest of these is Love.

Did I get that right?
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 05:12 AM

The next three on your list, Burt, will take some deeper thinking for me.

5) The Great White Brotherhood <color of purity white aura not skin color> is composed of numberless number of Christ Free Beings of which each star in the night sky is a marker left in the matter universe of the victorious overcoming of eternal life.

This one, Burt, I have to go deep within and it will take a lot of energy from me, but, here goes.

Ascended Masters, individual parts of God, (the upper Divine Level) who choose to help certain individuals who are spiritually inclined to follow the Light. They are Divine Beings that come from God, and have been helping these particular humans since since Archangel Michael brought forth the Sons and Daughters of God into the first incarnations -- long before the fall of man.

I have a twin soul here on Earth. I know who he is and where he is. Our spirits were among the beginning of those who chose to split from one spirit into two and live many life times apart in order to learn and grow spiritually faster. That is how old our souls are. The love I have for him is great. It is there, it is my truth, it is my highest task to follow my intended path in life and to honor and respect his path in life. That is all I can say about that part of my life, other than the fact that it has brought me profound joy as well as profound sadness.

I will look at the next two later and try to give my thoughts on them.

Thank you for posting this list and for asking for a discussion. Hugs!

Posted By: Onealone2

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 07:47 AM

I just discovered this conversation! May I join?

I'd like to share one special dream I had which I have never been able to understand, or decipher. I only know it was not any civilization I know of in Ancient History. It was definitely symbolic (I think) and spiritual. It featured a battle against good and evil. The only trouble was, I seemed to be fighting alone, and all the 'enemy' were faceless. Weapons were primitive, such as swords.

It was on a shore line, resembling ancient Greece, but the sky was NOT blue, it was sort of pink, if I remember correctly. Perhaps it was sunset.

I think, as I was alone in this battle, it probably referred to my own personal life. But I also sensed that it was not a historical fact. ie: I was not seeing a scene from a previous life.It was symbolic of a huge inner battle, and one which possibly marked the end of an incarnation.

I'll try to keep it brief.

It began with me, sword in hand, fighting off a huge army. They were faceless, and merciless. Nearby was a beautiful blue sea - calm - lapping on the beach with white sand. The enemy were coming from all directions. I was facing the sea, waiting for them to attack.

One by one I destroyed them. They fell like straws in the wind.

I rested on my sword and breathed a sigh of relief. It was over and I had won. But just then, one of the fallen enemy who was not dead raised his sword and struck me on the left leg, below the knee. It was a deep injury, but I quickly drove my sword through his evil heart and tried to bind the wound.

I headed home. Staggering and growing weaker. But I managed to get in the door where someone was waiting for me. (don't recall who it was) Then, I gazed in the mirror, and was staggered to see my reflection. My closing words in the dream were:

"I look just like my father"

For the 26 years since that dream, it has remained as vivid as that first night, and I have never been able to figure out why I had it, and what it meant.

Does anyone have a clue?
Posted By: Onealone2

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 08:07 AM

Bert, the list you gave is very deep. Much of it I am familiar with, in my own experience. Others I need to think about, as they are new thoughts to me, or perhaps, put in different ways.

I've been told that I've been around for a long time, but I think I have, for some good reason, I'm sure, chosen not to remember. Some dreams have given me clues as to why I am here now, but again, my signature statement is:

"the only thing I really 'KNOW', is that I know very little!" -

or perhaps I choose to remember very little so that I can learn more - new things, new perspectives, without having anything from 'before' to influence me.

I think I probably had great powers in some previous lives, and now have a great fear of misusing those powers in some way. I prefer not to remember them - not to rekindle something that might hold me back in what I am supposed to be achieving this time around. I can tell you though, that I do recall a dream where I was volunteering for something, after being asked if I would go. I've had other dreams where I've been asked to 'speak' - at an address, or a funeral, or to a great gathering where I was giving an address on 'Sowing and Reaping' - that is, Cause and Effect. I remember, with a grin, saying, "If you plant onions, don't expect to reap Roses"!!

Anyway, just sharing some 'stuff'!
Posted By: celine2012

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 10:35 AM

I am the person who dreams where everything was clean and white too.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 01:21 PM

Originally Posted By: celine2012
I am the person who dreams where everything was clean and white too.

Hi celine2012 Welcome !
IMHO the dreams of everything clean and white could be either the ancient past or the present where we are taken in our finer bodies by request and invitation to retreats and temples of training in the higher etheric cities.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 02:35 PM

Hello Beautiful People,

Welcome Celine2012.

Burt B your compendium of 30 is amazing and summarizes so much! Kudos for expressing it so beautifully.

As for me, well, I believe in reincarnation - it explains so much. We must master our lessons here on the Earthly plane -- or others -- to get back to our original state. The Divine spark, the Universal Source or whatever term you are most comfortable with -- is in each and every one of us: in some it has dimmed and barely lit, but the POTENTIAL to make it bright once again like a candle on the darkest light, exists and is never extinguished. NEVER EVER.

The journey home is not easy, we take detours, and it takes many, many lifetimes to reach enlightenment, the pure state of nirvana and bliss.

Jesus and other enlightened teachers that have incarnated numerous times in this difficult plane would agree that if we would keep only one premise in the back of our minds, it would make all the difference: DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD WANT DONE TO YOURSELF. Period. Tres simple.

And as many of us have already stated -- everything is energy, we are energy and the potential to utilize this energy for GOOD or EVIL -- the eternal struggle is up to us. We have the potential to accomplish miracles. The choice is ours, and with every choice, with every action, there are consequences, AKA with every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

As Phyllis said: FAITH HOPE and LOVE make it possible.

Burt have you looked at the clouds?

Peace.

Blessed Be.









Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 02:44 PM

Originally Posted By: onealone
Bert, the list you gave is very deep. Much of it I am familiar with, in my own experience. Others I need to think about, as they are new thoughts to me, or perhaps, put in different ways.

I've been told that I've been around for a long time, but I think I have, for some good reason, I'm sure, chosen not to remember. Some dreams have given me clues as to why I am here now, but again, my signature statement is:

"the only thing I really 'KNOW', is that I know very little!" -

or perhaps I choose to remember very little so that I can learn more - new things, new perspectives, without having anything from 'before' to influence me.

I think I probably had great powers in some previous lives, and now have a great fear of misusing those powers in some way. I prefer not to remember them - not to rekindle something that might hold me back in what I am supposed to be achieving this time around. I can tell you though, that I do recall a dream where I was volunteering for something, after being asked if I would go. I've had other dreams where I've been asked to 'speak' - at an address, or a funeral, or to a great gathering where I was giving an address on 'Sowing and Reaping' - that is, Cause and Effect. I remember, with a grin, saying, "If you plant onions, don't expect to reap Roses"!!

Anyway, just sharing some 'stuff'!


I like this stuff !

I too have a great fear of misusing power.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 03:10 PM

Burt B and OneAlone -- there are astrological aspects between planets in a chart that suggest misuse of abilities and from what I've read one must be very careful when working with psychic abilities in the present to avoid trouble.

I'm going to check on this today and see what else I come up with.

Peace.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 05:51 PM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.

IMHO the dreams of everything clean and white could be either the ancient past or the present where we are taken in our finer bodies by request and invitation to retreats and temples of training in the higher etheric cities.


This is what I think also, Burt. The dream I had is in a place from the ancient past and I studied there. The temple is still there and I have been back a few times in between incarnations, or in dreams. My guide always meets me there.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 05:53 PM

Originally Posted By: celine2012
I am the person who dreams where everything was clean and white too.


Welcome, Celine. It is good to have you here. I hope you come back and share more about yourself with us.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 05:57 PM

Originally Posted By: anna*AHHA* Ruscult*
Burt B and OneAlone -- there are astrological aspects between planets in a chart that suggest misuse of abilities and from what I've read one must be very careful when working with psychic abilities in the present to avoid trouble.

I'm going to check on this today and see what else I come up with.

Peace.


Anna, this will be very interesting to learn more about. The misuse of powers or psychic abilities is very dangerous -- the danger is mainly to the one who misuses their powers, for it can come back on them tenfold.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 06:04 PM

Phyllis you are so right with the magnification. Still looking for information.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 06:31 PM

Originally Posted By: anna*AHHA* Ruscult*
Hello Beautiful People,

Welcome Celine2012.

Burt B your compendium of 30 is amazing and summarizes so much! Kudos for expressing it so beautifully.

As for me, well, I believe in reincarnation - it explains so much. We must master our lessons here on the Earthly plane -- or others -- to get back to our original state. The Divine spark, the Universal Source or whatever term you are most comfortable with -- is in each and every one of us: in some it has dimmed and barely lit, but the POTENTIAL to make it bright once again like a candle on the darkest light, exists and is never extinguished. NEVER EVER.

The journey home is not easy, we take detours, and it takes many, many lifetimes to reach enlightenment, the pure state of nirvana and bliss.

Jesus and other enlightened teachers that have incarnated numerous times in this difficult plane would agree that if we would keep only one premise in the back of our minds, it would make all the difference: DO UNTO OTHERS AS YOU WOULD WANT DONE TO YOURSELF. Period. Tres simple.

And as many of us have already stated -- everything is energy, we are energy and the potential to utilize this energy for GOOD or EVIL -- the eternal struggle is up to us. We have the potential to accomplish miracles. The choice is ours, and with every choice, with every action, there are consequences, AKA with every action there is an equal and opposite reaction.

As Phyllis said: FAITH HOPE and LOVE make it possible.

Burt have you looked at the clouds?

Peace.

Blessed Be.



Clouds, Sky, Beauty, Peace, Nature is Patient, Calm and Through...

She does not rush things -- How does mortal man in his puny mind even think to wrest her secrets - they are withheld from this mere hewn-man human created from the dust.

Skyscrapers abound and concrete jungle too... however has not Mother provided room?

10 Billion souls this ecosystem is designed to support, however greed and avarice has take its toll.

Rat race hurry up and compete -- rape pillage and burn for not many atone for mothers gentle sacred ways are not to be found in the tomes of man when they frit and flitter their egoistic expressions as if some separate clown..

Foolish man you compete and tear from your brother his due, war and desolation is left in the milieu of time forgotten when simple in hand was Mothers dear caressing, now learn to take her hand... ye are brethren the LORD hath said, so irregardless of outer appearance..

Remember the creed that all men and women are equal in time yet some have used their resources time and time again to worship the one source who has been mighty patient my friend..

If you see one succeed by his work thought and deed why do you seek to tear him down...

Stop messing around you foolish little clown... the one whom you envy -- the cause of your strife has chosen to worship the eternal one -- sick and tired of his own vice -- you see little man you can have more too...

Just listen to me and by God's Grace I�ll give you a clue... we all come from one mother.. do you think she hides from you and pretends it does not matter... you of your ownself has chosen your fate -- free will is a [censored] ain�t it now so...

You reap what you have really sent out -- the universe is not stupid you silly little clot of flesh and bones ephemeral once raised to great heights then fleeting again...

Remove your thoughts of vengeance against god incarnate my friend for that sleazy bum in your opinion you sought to disgrace is really me you fool so as it has been said be kind to others and wish them no dread.

Tender shoots of mercy are we... hang on a second; I gotta go take a pee... OK, back now with my dearest of friends... How in H E Double Hockey Sticks do you Use Blackstrap Molasses -- I put a few tablespoons last night in my tea... tried it this morning and man what a punch... I felt I drank jet fuel and almost gave up my lunch... So true to the point my sisters and friends... I have no clue about many things, Blackstrap Molasses is one. Now, you tell me... ain't this loads of Great Fun -- A lot of people who don't say ain't ain't eatin' now... So a backward backwoods Polish Peasant and a backwater Hillbilly you see -- Jesus put us together, now that makes us three -- Blessed Connie bought the Blackstrap, she knows what it's for... yet she is extremely busy right now, and I have heard it said, that it is never an offense to ask help from a friend every now and then...
Sincerely,
Burt B.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 06:36 PM

Anna,

Here is a link that has some good information:
Psychic Inflation And The Misuse Of Transcendental Enery

"Indeed, the misuse of transpersonal power always leads to self-destruction."

The age-old story of Icarus is good to remember.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/07/11 08:33 PM

Thanks Phyllis for the great article -- excellent reminder about the use and misuse of energy -- and the anology to Icarus.

Burt B -- I gave my Gaea molasses in warm water after she had her babies -- it's a good restorative in the respect that it has lots of potassium, magnesium, calcium and iron. The goats love it. I've used it in a BBQUE sauce cooked together with ketchup, tomato paste, brown sugar, honey, cayenne and Worcestshire and although the flavor is strong if you use too much, its yummy.

As far as the misuse of power goes, I perused Isabel Hickey's book on astrology. Neptune is an intangible planet, not of this world but of other realms. It is related to sensitivity/psychic abilities and the vibes it gives forth are those of spiritual evolution. It's symbol is the trident and it imparts mystical, intuitive tendencies as well as a love of the sea and musical ability.

The challenging aspects of Neptune in a chart between other planets such as the square (90 degrees apart) or opposition (180 degrees.) These have the potential to be problematic ... especially if one ventures to the dark side by using powers exclusively for the self, such as in black magic.

Example: Sun square Neptune: karmic debts to be paid

Moon conjuct (within 8 degrees) Neptune: mystic, intuitive

Mercury conjunct Neptune: be careful with opening the psychic senses/occult practices = obsessive tendencies

Mercury square Neptune: psychic difficulties, misuse of abilities in past lives. Involvement in seances/use of psychic forces/occult practices may result in obsession.

Saturn square Neptune: Opening of senses/seances/occult practices could lead to a dangerous end.

Interesting stuff.

Peace.








Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/11 04:53 AM

Burt......you are right in your observation. Mother Nature, or Mother Earth if you will, is gentle and kind, beautiful and peaceful. The man out for material gain will not be good to her, won't even see her from the rat race he is on. And he will miss the true meaning of life.

My ex-husband has always been obsessed with instant gratification by obtaining material things. As the years went on he got his big, fat education, and then his big, fat job paying lots of money. He became obsessed even more with money, material possessions, and the image of status. I was swapped out of his life for a woman that makes more money than I ever will. For a while I have resented the fact that my life is very hard now while they seem to have one party and fancy trip after another.

In the last few weeks after being on this Spirituality forum I am coming to realize that maybe I was set free from what was bad. A simpler lifestyle and focusing on the more personal aspects of life will in the end bring me more happiness. There is so much beauty around me in simple living things and in the relationships built here among people who view life a lot like myself....I am discovering more dimensions in my life that I wasn't realizing before. I am becoming a more spiritual person while releasing some of the pain that has kept me bound for the past few years. Actually some of the pain goes back a lot further.

Thank you for being the catalyst in helping me to heal, grow, and find understanding. It is nice to be among all of these wonderful friends, including you.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/11 05:55 AM

Onealone, Wow! Interesting dream. I think you're right on when you say it's probably about an inner battle, possibly at the end of an incarnation.

What stands out to me is the calm blue sea, and the pink sky (possibly sunset), and the white sand.

The ocean usually represents emotions and the subconscious, and yet here was your sea - totally calm. The sky can represent vastness, clarity, intellect, our connection to the divine. And it's pink - a love color.

The enemy was faceless --- so you didn't know who (or what) you were fighting, yet you won the battle.

The sword can also be symbolic of air and intellect.

Left leg - left is generally the direction of the feminine and receiving, and leg is symbolic of standing (had a leg to stand on) and direction. You killed the person who injured you.

I'd be interested to know how you felt in the dream. Were you scared, prepared, calm, excited? Neutral?

Anyway... that's where I'd start if it were my dream wink
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/11 05:57 AM

Cassie, this is so beautifully stated.

I really do believe that lots of material goodies just distract us from our purpose. I also think that indulging in materialism is a symptom of not being tuned into life purpose.

I agree, I believe that you were set free to grow and be the divine channel you were meant to be.

XOXO
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/11 06:01 AM

Anna, that's so interesting! I'll have to go dig out my chart and see where my Neptune is. I know one of my challenges is getting so into all the fun psychic stuff, that I get distracted and treat it like a toy. Oy! In the 90s I was such a PAIN in the ARSE!!! I was gonna give you a reading or else! LOL!!!

Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/11 06:05 AM

Welcome Celine smile I look forward to reading more from you.

Quote:
Clouds, Sky, Beauty, Peace, Nature is Patient, Calm and Through...

She does not rush things -- How does mortal man in his puny mind even think to wrest her secrets - they are withheld from this mere hewn-man human created from the dust.


Burt, this is beautiful.

I think I'll not try to wrest any secrets, but just ask to be nurtured... and loved...
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/11 05:59 PM

Thanks, Deanna. I am just starting to understand that there is so much about myself to uncover and develop. I don't know that I have actually lived all that well in the past, and I need to do something to change that.

They say things happen for a reason. As much as we don't understand the reasons when the events happen, there are reasons. Maybe the reason for my divorce was because I was on the wrong path, and it was time to get back to the real me because I was being neglected. It is almost like a rebirth.

Isn't there a saying out there about how out of the darkest darkness of despair good things can come? One door closes and another opens? If the door is locked the window is open? I feel like I have not yet touched upon my true self and what purposes my life serves here. It is only just beginning now.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/11 06:58 PM

It is always darkest before the dawn.
Posted By: Deanna - New Age

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/11 07:48 PM

Hi Cassie smile

Yeah, I think there are probably lots of sayings about finding the silver lining. One of my favorite quotes is a Buddhist proverb.... "Pain is inevitable, suffering is optional."

I had this dream that I was talking to a young woman, and we were talking about how it's the difficulties that build our character. And I really believe this. When life is smooth sailing, we never get to discover what we're really made of.

It's getting through the challenges that build us.

Michelangelo wasn't a great artist because the marble was easily sculpted wink That was a LOT of work smile
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/08/11 09:11 PM

Originally Posted By: Cassie67
Thanks, Deanna. I am just starting to understand that there is so much about myself to uncover and develop. I don't know that I have actually lived all that well in the past, and I need to do something to change that.

They say things happen for a reason. As much as we don't understand the reasons when the events happen, there are reasons. Maybe the reason for my divorce was because I was on the wrong path, and it was time to get back to the real me because I was being neglected. It is almost like a rebirth.

Isn't there a saying out there about how out of the darkest darkness of despair good things can come? One door closes and another opens? If the door is locked the window is open? I feel like I have not yet touched upon my true self and what purposes my life serves here. It is only just beginning now.


Bingo. Now it's time to work on the inner you !!
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/09/11 12:06 AM

Dear Cassie,

I've been there in your exact shoes, with a man who too had a big fat education and made a lot of money. We'd been friends for a long time and I thought that would have been a good basis in a committed realtionship.

Alas! I discovered that I was not enough for this man and I'm not kidding when I say that one day I woke up and saw that there was a stranger in my bed.

It was so hard, but I made the decision to move on, and from experience all I can say is that all is as it should be!

Life would not be life without bumps in the road. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger!!!

And as Maria stated in "The Sound of Music" when God closes a door, a window opens somewhere. It's true!!

There's more to the story of course, but please please believe me when I say this too shall pass.

To forgive is divine.

Many blessings and peace to you on this journey of self discovery.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/09/11 12:49 AM

Originally Posted By: anna*AHHA* Ruscult*
Dear Cassie,

I've been there in your exact shoes, with a man who too had a big fat education and made a lot of money. We'd been friends for a long time and I thought that would have been a good basis in a committed realtionship.

Alas! I discovered that I was not enough for this man and I'm not kidding when I say that one day I woke up and saw that there was a stranger in my bed.

It was so hard, but I made the decision to move on, and from experience all I can say is that all is as it should be!

Life would not be life without bumps in the road. What doesn't kill us makes us stronger!!!

And as Maria stated in "The Sound of Music" when God closes a door, a window opens somewhere. It's true!!

There's more to the story of course, but please please believe me when I say this too shall pass.

To forgive is divine.

Many blessings and peace to you on this journey of self discovery.


Sorta like shock the monkey .. eh ?

Been there done that -- got the quiltpatch work on the heart.

This is why we seek divine love...

It's the only thing that is permanent and lasts...

Because Love is Misunderstood:

B. Divine Love

Let us then define Love. As the worlds were framed by Love, Love is both sagacious and potent; for each part of the Unfed Flame is complementary to every other part and to the whole. But, Love in Essence is the very inner Being of God. It is, therefore, the Holy Spirit in action! Every one who loves, then, is born of the Spirit. And it can well be said they who do not love have not yet come unto Life.

Love is penetrative and expansive; Love is enfolding and transmutative; Love is Patience and Understanding; Love is Wisdom and Strength. Love is Virtue and Purity. Love is Dedication and Constancy. Love is the combination of all of the Qualities of God, and yet there is added thereto an ingredient not yet wholly known to Man and one which We cannot wholly define here for many reasons, except to say that the Fullness of Love is the very secret of Life!




�Love� s Secret Obedience�

Power and Wisdom garner Love� s intent
The fulness of God Guidance in the twig that bent
Inclines its ear to hear Love�s Call
That shapes the Tree of Life so straight and tall.

As spires rise to clouded heights
The Power of Love� s Obedient Light
The Diadem of Life does shine
Its Grail-like motif making all Divine.

�Tis Love�s excelling mortal plans
Enforcing by Obedience Love� s demands
That breaks the deathly sod
And gazing upward, sees the Face of God.



We must acknowledge that there are many types of feelings which are called Love, but which are not. In releasing a Trilogy of this type We must slant Our words not wholly to the advanced initiate nor wholly to the beginner, but to a medium state where both shall derive the benefit.

Now, then, let Us peer within the domain of the self of each individual, e�en of thine own Self, and perceive the meaning of Self-Love. Selfish love is not Self-Love. That which seeks not that it may share, but that it may hold any form of substance or even an idea imprisoned within the domain of exclusivity, is but selfish love. That which seeks to draw forth either substance or blessings that it may expand those blessings and that substance through sharing it with the many is a manifestation of True Love.

Self-Love or the Love of the Real Self, does not generate disrespect, for each individual should recognize in all honesty that errors of the human self have been made in the past and yet that those errors are no part of the Reality of the Self, being but a part of passing memory recorded on the chart of Man� s experience. When these records are cleared and made right by the Power of Divine Justice, the fruit of that action will be manifest on an Altar that is swept clean of all dross and untransmuted substance. For the threshing floor of the Heart made pure will provide a suitable Altar upon which the Unfed Flame will far more than flicker or pulsate, but will rise and expand to elevate all whom It contacts, commencing with the aspirant himself.

C. Brotherly Love

Now, there are many forms of human love and these principally relate to Man�s contact with other parts of Life. There is the love of father and mother, and the love of the offspring for its parents. Inasmuch as the great Law of God has seen fit to charge the two individual parents with the responsibility for bringing into manifestation the third point of the Life Triad, it follows that maternal and paternal influences are destined�and were intended to be�divinely sponsored matrices. The father person representing the positive masculine polarity of the Godhead has a wonderful and kingly responsibility for each offspring; whereas the mother, who nurtures and guards the young child from the period of conception through the total period of gestation, has a very close responsibility throughout the life of the incoming child.

While We are on this subject it is My earnest wish to clear up for all time certain of the aspects governing the manifestation of children in the world of form, and the use of the vital and generative force by mankind. Unless some individuals were willing in each era to offer themselves as vehicles for the incoming holy and advanced children, it would be most difficult to give them proper training from early age, which the Great Law requires.

In the Name of Heaven, Beloved Ones, the guarding of the Energy of an incoming holy child is an awesome responsibility. Many desire to sponsor such holy children at inner levels and to act as spiritual guardians for children; yet some of these are themselves physically beyond the age of child bearing. While these elect to stand as it were as god-mother or god-father for incoming lifestreams�a good and necessary service�let Me point out that to the present hour the natural process of childbirth upon earth continues; and consequently, there is a need for holy mothers. It is true that there are many projects being given attention at higher levels to alter the present system of birth, to cause them to be painless and more immaculate, raising the entire planet into a new Christ era; yet We must be most practical and admit to the Power of God� s Love to flow forth to both generate and regenerate all LIFE upon earth.

Now, you cannot deny, for all around you the evidence stands, that the planet is filled with children who are obviously rebellious spirits. Many of these have been but released in recent years and some of them were imprisoned for a considerable period in the compound; others were held in special spheres of assistance in various temples, awaiting rebirth. The laws governing each incoming child do pass through the Karmic Board, Beloved Ones, and each must receive the approval and seal of the Lord the Maha Chohan and Beloved Mother Mary previous to birth.

Remember, We cannot and will not set aside Cosmic Law simply because some individual deems himself wiser than he is. The Law will always act and the holy use of God� s vital Energy for procreative purposes by those who wish to sponsor a holy family situation is not only admirable but commendable. I do not say that all will or should elect to pursue this path. Certainly free will should govern all such action. But, by a like token, it is not vanity that desires to house and to nurture a grand lifestream�whether that lifestream be an Avatar or a most advanced soul�but a pure desire to be the �handmaid of the Lord.�

Remember, Dear Ones, that at the time when an advanced soul comes into embodiment there is always a scene of parting at higher levels, and the full awareness that the mission of that one may or may not be successful. When entering a veil of flesh there is never any guarantee that that individual will not, through some form of contention, become involved in a karmic situation necessitating a round of unpleasant experiences. Simply because an individual is an Avatar or a very highly evolved soul, as was Beloved Jesus, does not provide a definite insurance against failure. There is always a risk, a problem that one� s friends who had intended to be his guardians and the guardians of his Light will betray that Light. There is always a possibility that associates will misinterpret his motives, discount his good intents and ignorantly strive to force him from the ranks of God� s service through impugning his character and, in other regrettable manners, simply fail to assist his holy purposes through misunderstanding and indifference.

Let all realize, then, that the children of Light must be wiser than the children of mammon. Let all recognize that upon the earth body this present hour there are children of Light and children of mammon. I do not deny that some of the children of mammon have behaved as children of Light and that some children of Light have behaved as children of mammon. This does not prove that the Law is wrong. It simply proves the tenacity of the element of human discord, vanity and sin, on the one hand, and the Power of the Creator�s inherent Goodness that seeks to raise all Life, on the other hand. It also proves that laggard qualities are contagious and that vigilance is required to hold an Immaculate Concept, regardless of what appearances may be involved. Certainly virtuous motherhood such as Mother Mary offered is yet the requirement of the hour!

Inasmuch as I AM dealing here with inter-relationships between people, I want to point out that in the case of employer and employee there ought never to exist any form of slavery or tyranny. It is as much the responsibility of the employee as the employer to see that this slavery does not exist. Therefore, �Let brotherly love continue . . .� (Heb. 13:1)

While We are on this subject, then, of human relationships I would like to emphasize one point concerning Love. It is to be found in the Pentateuch in the words of the Lord Thy God. It reads, �It is .not good for man to be alone� (Gen.2:18). This has been rightly interpreted as meaning it is not good for manifestation to be all ONE, and therefore I will make individual parts of My All-Oneness. �. . . I will multiply thy seed as the stars of heaven, and as the sand which is upon the sea shore� (Gen.22:17).

Therefore let the love of the individual parts exceed self-love and excel unto an expansion of the Creation in honor of the Creator, finding thereby reunion with the One Life which is All and in all.

D. Christ Love

The great and awesome Power of Creativity, that which floods forth into manifestation myriad forms both in Nature and in Man; that which creates Cosmic Beings and Angel Messengers of Fire, has in Cosmic-Mind the fact that a Love, not wholly integrated with the ALLNESS of the Cosmos in the ONENESS thereof, would not be God, would not be Good. For Goodness requires some manifestation in order to Love. And so the great Creative Will of God is to create many forms, wondrous designs, and Mighty Beings, that all in receiving His Love might return His Love not only to the Central Creator but to the other creatures whom He has made.

Now, few have reached the level of Saint Francis of Assisi in the comprehension of this point and I would call to your attention then the glorious understanding and compassion which your Beloved Kuthumi (Who was Saint Francis) externalized not only in that embodiment, but also to the present hour in His own wondrous God-Design.




A Message of God-Compassion for all Life

Dear Francis� Love for creatures great and small
Compassed the sea, the sky and all
His Love the outbreathed Universe did frame
(His Soul breathed Compassion�s Flame)
And lit a Pathway to the stars
Where Hopes did rise like bird on wing

And every blessed �open heart� did sing.
O Love that lives and cannot die
Thy Flame shall bear one yet on High
To �Cross the Bar� and then become a part
Of God�s One Great Beating Heart.
For where I AM in shining, knowing free
I feel the Power of Truth fill me
(What thrills me most to know and be)
As BEING�S Cup runs over now
Is this Great Truth: that �I AM� Thou!



How Great was His example! The Great Example need not be anyone with whom you are familiar, and yet it may be anyone with whom you are familiar. The Great Example seems to find its greatest expression in modern Christendom through the personality of Jesus; and yet I do not blaspheme when I say that many men and women presently in embodiment upon earth this very day, through their devotion to Jesus and to their Great God Self, have received the same sacred Love tokens from God�s Heart that He imparted unto Jesus. The dove of snow-white Purity has rested upon their heads and its radiance has flowed forth from their hearts. These individuals are not always well known. Some of these have founded no new religion; all have supported holy endeavors upon earth and sought to be examples of Purity. Many Avatars, many Great Lights, have through the centuries brightened the planetary body with their Presence.

I would bring to the fore here, then, this plaudit on their behalf, this humble acknowledgment in Freedom� s Name, that the world is not so poor as it sometimes considers itself to be in the Great God Essence of Love, but that it already possesses a great wealth of Divine Love�a Love too often unrecognized, even when seen!�a love which commemorates Jesus� devotion to his fold, and upholds the standard He set for those who would follow Him in deed, �By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another� (John 13:35).

This Love ingredient flows forth not only from God on High to the Hearts of the known and unknown manifestations of God Himself, but flows forth from these holy men and women currently in embodiment, whose Love then becomes day by day more like unto the Father. The penetration of this holy Substance provides, through the Power of Our Lord the Maha Chohan, an infusion of the vitality which makes the world go round. That it does not spin faster, that it does not more swiftly throw off its discord, is because of the impediments of those masses who know not yet what they do.

Those hearts�and many of them yearn to know the Truth and to be Free�who pursue a dyed-in-the-wool path of their own misguided wills and spew out hate against men of good will whom they do not understand�do indeed place their feet in ruts of stumbling upon the mountain of attainment. And although the great connecting link from On High, as a giant skein of Light and Life dropped down to Earth, continually pulls Man forward, the traction in the drawing back of these individuals, because of the sheer weight of numbers, does prevent the universal manifestation of God� s Kingdom upon Earth!

Love, the Fulfilling of The Law

In the Holy Name of Love, then, it is easy to see why it is Our intent in this final portion of Our Trilogy on the Unfed Flame, to speak in a practical manner of the great need for maintaining and keeping Harmony�not only in one�s own personal feelings but also in one�s thought. As many of you know, when the thought desires to go to the right and the feelings pull to the left, in most cases the feelings will win and the thinking will gravitate in the direction of the feelings. Of all the noble efforts made by mankind to alchemically precipitate Substance, there is no higher alchemical key than the Purity of Divine Love flowing forth God thoughts as winged Messengers of Light!

The Love of God manifesting in the Threefold Flame scintillates with Immortal brilliance. It is vibrant, radiant, all-enfolding LIGHT, and it composes the Sun-Flame center of all inter-related systems of manifestation. Withdraw the Power of Love from any of these and eventual collapse is certain. Every system of worlds or planetary body in space that has ever dissolved for any reason whatever has done so by reason of the withdrawal of the Love charge from the Sun� s center. I do not deny that, measured by man�s sense of time, the period from the moment of withdrawal to the moment of collapse may range from thousands or even millions of years as men reckon time or consist of a few microseconds; but the decay of every system begins with withdrawal of the fullness of the Love Radiance from its center. Love then is the cohesive Power of the Universe.

One of the most dreaded diseases upon earth today manifests because of the viciousness of mankind which drives out the Love element from the cells and forces the opposite quality into manifestation there, providing an impetus which seeks to devour through its octopuslike nature all surrounding substance. Love in Healing is one of the most essential Qualities to manifest. Jesus� response through Divine Love to the cry of the two blind men, �Thou son of David, have mercy upon us� (Matt.9:27-31), heard by The Christ as He passed by, was a personal action of Love. The healing of the woman who touched His garment without his knowledge was an example of the impersonal action of Divine Love (Mark 5:25-34).

As you have been told before, Divine Love is both personal and impersonal. In the Law of True Being, Love is fulfilled and the Law is ever Love in manifestation, For the Law of Love combines Justice, Purity and Freedom in perfect balance. Let those who will discount the Law as Love and because of its corrective intent deny that it is an action of Love. I charge you to remember the words that �God chastiseth those whom He loveth� (�For whom the Lord loveth He chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth.� Heb. 12:6).

In closing this Trilogy, then, I say unto all, let not selfish love carry you into the byways of delusion far and apart from your brothers and those other parts of Life whom God has made. Remember that elements of so-called evil ever seek to divide by their subtleties, whereas Love seeks to unify in the very essence of Holiness. To pay tribute to Love, then, is to pay tribute to the Great drawing Power of God� s own tripartite Flame. Love is God� s Flame of BEING in manifestation. One day the scientists of the world through instruments alone will be able to measure a part of Love and its radiant Energies. But never will an instrument be made that is wise enough or has a scale great enough to measure Infinite Love.

Infinite Love alone, then, can be best expressed as the manifestation of God. The manifestation of God can occur in everyone. It is the very Destiny of Man that shakes from Man his dust. Love is the fullness then of God as He manifests Man. There is no limit to that degree of God� s Love which anyone who will may manifest. Here in the Realm of Divine Love is the City of God, the foursquare city set forth by Beloved John (Rev. 21:16) as the place of conscious attainment where the fullness of your aspirations may find unhampered expression. Here stand the great wide open spaces of Creation. Love has unlimited new worlds to conquer. Love is the Promised Land where the strength of the lion nature is given to the Heart of the lamb and the Good Shepherd of the Eternal Covenant seals all in the Victory of the expanding Three-in-One Flame of God, Good, world without end.

I AM faithfully in Freedom� s Cause and Service,

SAINT GERMAIN
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/09/11 02:46 PM

Yes it was shock the monkey but it enabled me to move forward. Pain is a vehicle that brings with it appreciation of the true and simple blessings of life should one care to embrace them.

Thanks Burt B for the stirring discourse on love and especially about self love and selfishness, the inablity to share. It makes sense.

Blessed Be.

Peace.

Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 11/09/11 04:52 PM

To me, love is unconditional, and that is how I love another person whom I choose to give my romantic heart to. It is the only way I know how to love another person. So far I have yet to find a significant other who can love that way. I think it is very rare.

This in itself can hurt, when another person won't love you this way or is not able to, because you know that what the two of you could have together if both loved unconditionally would be phenominal. But maybe it is a superhuman trait only present among the super sensitive people.

This is why Burt's point is so important and so true.....Divine love from our maker is really the only trusted form of unconditional love that there is. It is worth seeking out.

Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/10/11 01:29 AM

Originally Posted By: anna*AHHA* Ruscult*
Yes it was shock the monkey but it enabled me to move forward. Pain is a vehicle that brings with it appreciation of the true and simple blessings of life should one care to embrace them.

Thanks Burt B for the stirring discourse on love and especially about self love and selfishness, the inablity to share. It makes sense.

Blessed Be.

Peace.


I didn't write it.

Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/10/11 03:49 PM

AH my friend BUT you brought it to light.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/10/11 03:57 PM

Originally Posted By: anna*AHHA* Ruscult*
AH my friend BUT you brought it to light.


Only by the Grace of God..
I'm getting hungry... what's everyone going to have for brunch ?
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/16/11 11:32 AM

I was cleaning out my basement the other day and found a box of books. In it was my old Boy Scout manual. I was going to throw the box away. I opened the manual and re-read the two-word motto as I have done many times in the past but this time I thought about its true meaning. Then I thought about A and B. An old forgotten leader of many years ago one time told people, for their own safety, to be watchful of the hour. Many did not understand nor believe the leader at that time just as today because they perceived the unfolding events to happen only one way. The clouded glass is gone. Blessed Be
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/16/11 04:20 PM

If the motto you refer to is "BE PREPARED" then the meaning is indeed fitting in this world we inhabit!

Peace.

Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/16/11 05:31 PM

You are so right, Anna.

Dave, it is always good to hear from you. Hope all is well.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/17/11 02:13 PM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Originally Posted By: anna*AHHA* Ruscult*
AH my friend BUT you brought it to light.


Only by the Grace of God..
I'm getting hungry... what's everyone going to have for brunch ?


I know you asked this 10 days ago. Just found it. Brunch? Omelette with pepper jack cheese, avocado, and green onion.

What are you having?
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/17/11 04:43 PM

content was cut and paste from this URL -

http://goldsecretpower.org/
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/17/11 04:46 PM

2nd helping of gold..

33

The Secret Power of Gold�The Cure for the Economy

~ PART III ~
THE SECRET POWER OF GOLD
THE SECRET POWER OF GOLD

By the year 1914, the gold standard system �had brought with it a
remarkable expansion of trade and prosperity across the globe. The
previous forty years had seen no big wars or great revolutions. The
technological advances of the mid-nineteenth century�railways,
steamships, and the telegraph�had spread across the world, opening
up vast territories to settlement and trade. International commerce
boomed as European capital flowed freely around the globe... Although
every so often the system was shaken by financial crisis and banking
panics, depressions in trade were short-lived and the world economy
had always bounced back.

�More than anything else... the gold standard was the economic totem of the age. Gold was the lifeblood of the financial system. It
was the anchor for most currencies, it provided the foundation for
banks, and in a time of war or panic, it served as a store of safety. For
the growing middle classes of the world, who provided so much of the
savings, the gold standard was more than simply an ingenious system
for regulating the issue of currency. It served to reinforce all those
Victorian virtues of economy and prudence in public policy... Among
bankers, whether in London or New York, Paris or Berlin, it was revered
with an almost religious fervor, as a gift of providence, a code of behavior transcending time and place.�5 Then came world change. The
Federal Reserve had just been created in 1913. In 1914, World War I
began, followed by World War II. Gradually, by 1971, gold no longer
provided the anchor for world currencies. Today, the US economy is on
the brink of collapse.
What, then, is the secret power of gold? The Rothschilds and all
the other international money changers know this secret and hope that
you, the American people, will never find it out. One of the benefits of
gold is simply that a nation�s money, when backed by gold, cannot be
tampered with; and its economy cannot be destroyed. What suddenly
made the United States a superpower after World War II? The fact that
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its money was backed by gold. After the war, America was the only
leading nation whose economy was backed by gold, with 70 percent of
the world�s gold in its possession. Gold is power, and ever since the war,
the international bankers have been finding ways to erode that power
and funnel the gold into their own coffers, because they know that gold
is the key, and ordinary people have so far been unaware of this basic
cosmic truth.
Gold is accepted worldwide. Gold does not decay or corrode.
Gold is easy to refine. Gold cannot be counterfeited, and nobody, not
even a government, can �print� more gold when it needs more money.
But the greatest truth of all that goes untold about gold is that it is naturally abundant and can be continuously mined because it actually
expands in the earth, just as crystals grow naturally in nature.
According to a US Geological Survey estimate, 33,000 metric tons or
nearly 1.2 billion ounces of gold wait to be discovered in the United
States, mainly in the West. There is no reason to believe that the planet will ever run out of gold while life endures. Humanity has little
understanding of the real purpose for which gold exists on this planet.
It grows within the earth like a plant, and through it, there is constantly pouring a purifying, vitalizing, and balancing current of energy into
the very ground we walk upon, as well as into the growth of nature and
the very air we breathe.6
Because of the gold deposits in all mountain ranges, one finds
health and vigor in life in the mountains that he cannot find any other
place on the earth�s surface. The world�s physicians have somehow intuited this fact, and frequently send their patients suffering from tuberculosis and other diseases to recover their health at the higher elevations.
Few people realize that gold is a necessity for life itself.
Scientists have recently realized that plants will not even grow without
a miniscule trace of gold in the soil. Gold is also found in the sea.
Ancient manuscripts say that all forms of life absorb the radiation of
gold. Scholars in the past perceived gold as precipitated sunlight, and
they believed that gold in the body stimulated the life force and raised
an individual�s vibration significantly.
Gold is an amazing metal. It can be pounded into a sheet so
thin that light passes through it, yet the sheet won�t break. Gold can be
stretched into wires thinner than human hair, but still will conduct
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electricity perfectly.
The earliest records of the use of gold came from Alexandria,
Egypt, and reveal that gold was used for medical purposes, and that
over 5,000 years ago its use was fundamental to the healing arts. The
Egyptians ingested gold in powdered form for physical, mental, and
spiritual purification. The value of ingesting monatomic powdered gold
is being rediscovered today, as the health benefits of �eating� gold are
proving to be significant.
In today�s alternate healing modalities, gold is currently regarded as a powerful strengthening and energizing agent. It is being used in
cancer treatments, surgical implants, rejuvenative beauty products, and
as a conductor of choice for electronic equipment. Gold implanted in a
human body as a medical device will resist the growth of bacteria in
that body.
Furthermore, it is said that gold will help stabilize the emotions
and bring about better mental, emotional, and physical health to those
who wear it on their person. Sadly, in this day and age, there are many
children, and even adults, who have never touched or worn a piece of
gold. If we should return to the practice of holding gold, wearing gold
on our persons, and using gold as a medium of exchange, we should see
a greater emotional and mental balance in the people, as well as vital
stability in the economy of our nation. (Try meditating on gold, even a
gold coin, and see if it doesn�t bring you a sense of stability and peace.)
Numerous esoteric works claim that in important eras of the
past, referred to as �golden ages,� mankind reached high levels of development. Gold was widely in circulation among the masses, and the people wore gold. Myths about these civilizations still remain. During these
golden ages, people believed that the free flow of gold stabilized and
strengthened the entire economy and benefited every aspect of society.
Golden age civilizations were characterized by technological and spiritual advancement, enlightened behavior, harmony, peace, and the
application of the Golden Rule: �Do unto others as you would have
them do unto you.�
The Egyptians coined gold as early as 2,500 years ago. It
adorned the Egyptian kings as far back as 4,500 years ago. Gold is no
less important today. Gold can still be used as the lodestone for a new
golden age of personal and economic freedom. This can come about as
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new gold is mined and made available, and when the gold that is
presently being hoarded by the international bankers is put back into
circulation. Within the soul of the American people is a deep desire for
liberty, prosperity, and peace. But what most Americans do not realize
is that gold is the key to fulfilling these desires, and that the absence of
a gold standard in our economy is depriving us of the liberty, prosperity, and peace we seek.
There is no freedom without economic freedom. When tyrants
wish to assume control, they scheme to get the gold into their hands
and out of the hands of the people. A gold standard (100% of the economy backed by gold) is essential to freedom, because it is impossible to
inflate or deflate such an economy.
Our founding fathers knew the importance of gold as money
and preserved this concept in the Constitution. Article I, Section 10, of
the Constitution says: �No state shall...make any Thing but gold and
silver Coin as Tender in Payment of Debts.� A gold-backed currency
controlled by Congress, and not by bankers, would bring about a rebalancing of the national economy and the strengthening of our personal
finances. Would this not usher in an age of peace and prosperity,
unequaled in these troubled times?
In 1933, gold was confiscated by the government. It was unlawful for American citizens to hold any gold except collectible gold coins,
but the country was still on the gold standard until 1971. Congress, in
1985, passed into law the power to create new gold coinage, to be available for purchase by the public once more. We need to have the
Treasury exchange our paper money for gold, secure the right to be
paid in gold, and pay our taxes in gold. Gold should not be hoarded by
the international bankers but should be available to be traded freely.
The ultimate goal is to get gold into the hands of the people.
In Section II of this pamphlet, specific needed reforms are listed to effect necessary changes in our government and economy. All of
these would lead America back to a gold standard without causing a
depression or collapsing the economy. As individuals, right now we can
increase the positive effects of gold in our lives by wearing it, thus calming our emotions and stabilizing our psychology. We can set our individual houses in financial order and enhance our economic stability if
we buy gold and set aside one half to one percent of our monthly
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income for this purpose. We can live by the Golden Rule.
For the sake of all incoming generations, and in reverence for
our Founding Fathers and our Constitution, for the salvation of our
great nation and all who love freedom, let us drive the money changers
out of our national temple and reestablish the United States as a freedom-loving Republic with a gold-backed currency as a model for the
world.

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NOTES

Part I
1. Ferguson, Niall, The Ascent of Money, New York, Penguin, 2008, p. 3.
2. Morton, Frederick, The Rothschilds, New York, Fawcett, 1961, pp. 18-19.
3. Rothschild Archive, London, RFam FD/13A/1; 13B/1; 13D/2; 13E.
4. Friedman, Milton, and Schwartz, Anna J., A Monetary History of the United States,
1867-1960, Princeton, 1963.
Part III
5. Ahamed, Liaquat, Lords of Finance, New York, Penguin, 2009, pp. 19-20.
6. According to ancient texts.

REFERENCES: BOOKS
Ahamed, Liaquat, The Lords of Finance, New York: Penguin, 2009.
Allen, Gary, None Dare Call It Conspiracy, Seal Beach, CA: Concord Press, 1971.
Ferguson, Niall, The Ascent of Money, New York:The Penguin Press, 2008.
Friedman, Milton and Swartz, Anna J., A Monetary History of the United States,
1867�1960, Princeton, 1963.
Flynn,Ted, Hope of the Wicked,The Master Plan to Rule the World, Maxkol
Communications, 1301 Moran Rd., Suite 303, Sterling, VA., 2000.
Griffin, G. Edward, The Creature from Jekyll Island,Westlake Village, CA: American Media,
1994.
Kershaw, Ian, Hitler, A Biography, New York, London: W.W. Norton & Co., 2008.
Lewis, Nathan, Gold�The Once and Future Money, American Media., PO Box 4646,
Westlake Village, CA 91357-1646, 2002.
Marx, Karl & Engels, Friedrich, Communist Manifesto, Reprinted ed., New York:
International Publishers, 1948.
Morton, Frederick, The Rothschilds, New York: Fawcett Crest, 1961
Palast, Greg, The Best Democracy Money Can Buy, Penguin Putman Inc., 375 Hudson St.,
New York, 10014, 2003.
Paul, Ron & Lehrman, Lewis, The Case for Gold, Auburn, AL.,The Ludwig Von Mises
Institute, 2007.

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REFERENCES: BOOKS (continued)
Quigley, Carroll, Tragedy and Hope: A History of the World in Our Time, New York:The
MacMillan Co., 1966, reprinted by GSG & Assoc., PO Box 6448, San Pedro, CA 90734.
Rossi, Melissa, What Every American Should Know About Who�s Really Running the World,
New York, Penguin Group Inc., 2005.
Rothbard, Murray N., What Has Government Done to Our Money? and The Case for a
100% Gold Dollar, Auburn, AL, The Ludwig Von Mises Institute, 2005.
Rothbard, Murray N., The Case Against the Fed, Auburn, AL,The Ludwig Von Mises
Institute, 2007.
Skousen,W. Cleon, The Naked Capitalist, A Review and Commentary on Tragedy and
Hope, Salt Lake City: Ensing Publishing Co., 1962.

REFERENCES: DVDs
Dollars and Sense, by John F. McManus
The Federal Reserve�A Discourse, by G. Edward Griffin
The Money Masters, Royalty Production Co., PO Box 67, Manitou Springs, CO 808290067, 1-816-220-2626.

Committee for Economic Reform
PO Box 1717 � Emigrant, Montana 59027
www.goldsecretpower.org

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Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/18/11 01:19 AM

Burt B,

All I can add is once we went off the gold standard, life became nebulous and even more illusional, dellusional as society as a whole focused more on consumption.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/18/11 05:35 PM

Long ere this, when the wall around their City was not yet built, and when the Gods had set up only the court with their twelve seats and the Hall that was for Odin and the Hall that was for the Goddesses, there had come into Asgard Three Giant Women.

They came after the Gods had set up a forge and had begun to work metal for their buildings. The metal they worked was pure gold. With gold they built Gladsheim, the Hall of Odin, and with gold they made all their dishes and household ware. Then was the Age of Gold, and the Gods did not grudge gold to anyone. Happy were the Gods then, and no shadow nor foreboding lay on Asgard.

But after the Three Giant Women came the Gods began to value gold and to hoard it. They played with it no more. And the happy innocence of their first days departed from them.

- from The Children of Odin, by Padraic Colum, 1920
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 11/18/11 06:09 PM

Originally Posted By: Phyllis Doyle
Long ere this, when the wall around their City was not yet built, and when the Gods had set up only the court with their twelve seats and the Hall that was for Odin and the Hall that was for the Goddesses, there had come into Asgard Three Giant Women.

They came after the Gods had set up a forge and had begun to work metal for their buildings. The metal they worked was pure gold. With gold they built Gladsheim, the Hall of Odin, and with gold they made all their dishes and household ware. Then was the Age of Gold, and the Gods did not grudge gold to anyone. Happy were the Gods then, and no shadow nor foreboding lay on Asgard.

But after the Three Giant Women came the Gods began to value gold and to hoard it. They played with it no more. And the happy innocence of their first days departed from them.

- from The Children of Odin, by Padraic Colum, 1920


From my occult studies I have surmised that there are vast veins of gold within North America hidden until mankind's consciousness evolves enough to not hate and compete and kill -- yet aliens have raped earth throughout the epochs after we lost our wedding garment of innocence.

We are partially responsible for this as we took the shortcut to be ' as wise as gods ' without reverence for The God thus the creation of the human ego -- the core and source of all of our woes -- inordinate desire.

Sooner or later economic growth and expansion must level off at some point and we must go within to draw down more of God.
Posted By: anna*AHHA*

Re: The Goddess - 11/18/11 09:54 PM

How true Burt, I agree that eventually equilibrium must be restored.

And Phyllis, a perfect quote to explain the beginning of the end: hoarding or avarice which we know is the root of all evil.

Peace.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/26/11 09:12 AM

The truth does not appear on a glorious white steed and kill the enemy like conquering man would quicken to. Nor in its return will it enter as men perceive. It will come in a way that many cannot understand, especially those who should know of the event. Look within. It will be our only resource. Blessed Be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 11/29/11 08:14 AM

Dave and Burt, it is true -- we must go within and listen to the voice of our soul and let Spirit guide us. Then let the light shine forth to help others who need guidance.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 11/30/11 10:09 AM

Cousin Julianna Wilhelmina Vondervoorste, "Julie" was an old order European Witch. When I toyed with the idea that I might seek out a particular type of teacher to learn what I need in life she said that that "particular type of teacher" was within me.

My Grandmother was an old order European Witch. She was despised by the church except for the few Christians that knew the real extent of the power of love. Together those few held hands in the fire and were forged together into eternity. She told me repeatedly that I was the "eternal" and that reality is found within me.

A great leader many years ago had some close friends. They insisted that the beauty and the power of their beings was all around them. He told them to look within. He was murdered for that.

The power of illusion is always with us. It never has to face who it truly is. There is some sort of pill out there that will help keep it hidden.

She wants her kids to stand strong without the crutches or excuses. So did He.

Do we enable, or do we press forward for the betterment of the "WE". Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/15/11 10:32 PM

A dear lady sent me a message and she did so in tears. Lately I have tried removing myself from this site and the general populace so that people can find their inner being without hinderence from someone else. That is how I found out the little about spirituality that I know. Her tears were about the fact that not everyone has the ability to find their inner being as fluidly as I seemingly have, according to her. I do not know about such things except to say that if it is a help to have guidance along the way I will share what I can. I believe that this ladys prayers and tears have brought a group of people and myself together maybe for the benefit of everyone????? I have some crazy ideas, I know, but there is so much suffering in the world and that bites at my sleep and my awake times as well. Sometimes I just want to leave here because of the seeming mountain of divisiveness and lack of love and respect that is due each of us in these and all times. Sometimes I must confess that I feel totally powerless but I guess if everyone felt that way no-one would be helped,"out of the ditch" as my family used to say. I thank this lady for her prayers and tears and I will investigate my new friends and do what I can to help them. It has everything to do with the injustices done to those that can not speak, those that are SILENCED BY TRADITION, and also with the suffering of women that is still so great in this world. The Spirit is within us all and it does not discriminate. My Grand
mother won't leave me alone with this nor will my ancestors. You got your wish. I will do what I can.
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/15/11 11:50 PM

Wow....thank you for sharing all of that. There are powerful messages in what you have said.

I have to say that there are a lot of us in pain out there, including myself. In just focusing on the group of us here on bella, I have received so much support and comfort from caring people like yourself, Burt, Phyllis, Elleise, Deanna, and Onealone just on the Spirituality forum. Other great women and men have showed great kindness to me on the Relationships forum as well, where I first started posting last year because my long-term marriage was coming to an end. It was a devastating event to me, and in many ways it still is.....almost two years since the love of my life decided he wanted to walk away.

If it was not for all of us here together, sharing things about each other and enlightening each other with other ways of thinking, I honestly don't know where I would be today. I have shared so much of my life in almost two years here. Financially I can't afford to see my counselor anymore, and I think in some ways being on bella has saved me from going over the edge. I have been accepted and welcomed here like I never expected.

There is good in all of us, and we have the ability to help others. Sometimes just being there is all it takes, sometimes a kind word, sometimes a little advice. It may just be something small, but it can bring immense comfort to someone who needs it. It is all good when given in the spirit of love and respect. If you want to stay here with us, I for one welcome you, and I appreciate you taking the time to post here. I hope you will feel comfortable sharing with us in the future.
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 12:08 AM

Burt.....that kitty of yours is just precious. It reminds me of my favorite of all the kitties I ever had....and at one time I had seven.

This black and white cat much like yours was named Maximilian. I found him outside of a pet supply store where I worked. He must have been about 5 weeks old. I thought he was blind but he was just really young. There was a small field out back where evidently feral cats were breeding.

I tried to place him in a rescue facility but they were full and needed some time to make room for him. I already had six cats and I really did not want another. In the meantime I took him in and we bonded right away. He would snuggle on me and we would take naps together. After a few weeks I could not give him up. He turned out to be the nicest and most affectionate cat.

My dear Max became ill at 7 years old, and I had to put him down due to complete kidney failure, probably due to bad genes from his overbreeding ancesters in that field. I cried like a baby when he was gone. I buried him in the yard so he could be close. I swear for months after that I could hear his distinct meow now and then, and I would catch a glimpse of a dark furry thing go quickly around a corner.

It was him, I know it. He was such a great cat.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 12:38 AM

Dave, it is always so good to have you come back. I am still often in tears with the physical loss of my Mother -- yet I am getting stronger every day, knowing she is with my siblings and I in spirit. I was unable knock this feeling out of me that I should be sobbing and wailing like others in my family are able to do. But, do you know what I realized, just last night? I can let go of that feeling that I should be sobbing and wailing -- for that is not how I deal with the loss of a loved one. And that is ok.

I am closer to those in spirit because of my deep understanding of the spiritual realms. I know that my Mother, Father, eldest Brother are not dead -- they are in another realm where they are beginning new journeys. They are at peace, I can feel that. For me to sob and wail would be an act of selfishness because of the physical contact that has gone away. Yet it is the spiritual oneness that gives me the strength to stand up and carry on with what has to be done in my earthly life. I know this makes sense to you. Many may not understand me -- but, I now know I am living my belief system. I am happy for the peace my loved ones have found. I am happy that they were able to do what they had to do here on Earth so they could go on to the next realm. I am not happy I cannot touch them physically, but the spiritual connection is profoundly joyful.

As Cassie says, each of us here has found support and help from the others. It is when we help another that we realize the depth of our own strengths and spirituality. The Mother told me that much. Blessed Be.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 12:39 AM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
A dear lady sent me a message and she did so in tears. Lately I have tried removing myself from this site and the general populace so that people can find their inner being without hinderence from someone else. That is how I found out the little about spirituality that I know. Her tears were about the fact that not everyone has the ability to find their inner being as fluidly as I seemingly have, according to her. I do not know about such things except to say that if it is a help to have guidance along the way I will share what I can. I believe that this ladys prayers and tears have brought a group of people and myself together maybe for the benefit of everyone????? I have some crazy ideas, I know, but there is so much suffering in the world and that bites at my sleep and my awake times as well. Sometimes I just want to leave here because of the seeming mountain of divisiveness and lack of love and respect that is due each of us in these and all times. Sometimes I must confess that I feel totally powerless but I guess if everyone felt that way no-one would be helped,"out of the ditch" as my family used to say. I thank this lady for her prayers and tears and I will investigate my new friends and do what I can to help them. It has everything to do with the injustices done to those that can not speak, those that are SILENCED BY TRADITION, and also with the suffering of women that is still so great in this world. The Spirit is within us all and it does not discriminate. My Grand
mother won't leave me alone with this nor will my ancestors. You got your wish. I will do what I can.


Dear acientflaxman,

You are soooo correct, and their are so very few of us who truly understand -- I'm very humbled by this responsibility but we must move forward and uplift !!!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 12:53 AM

Originally Posted By: Cassie67
Wow....thank you for sharing all of that. There are powerful messages in what you have said.

I have to say that there are a lot of us in pain out there, including myself. In just focusing on the group of us here on bella, I have received so much support and comfort from caring people like yourself, Burt, Phyllis, Elleise, Deanna, and Onealone just on the Spirituality forum. Other great women and men have showed great kindness to me on the Relationships forum as well, where I first started posting last year because my long-term marriage was coming to an end. It was a devastating event to me, and in many ways it still is.....almost two years since the love of my life decided he wanted to walk away.

If it was not for all of us here together, sharing things about each other and enlightening each other with other ways of thinking, I honestly don't know where I would be today. I have shared so much of my life in almost two years here. Financially I can't afford to see my counselor anymore, and I think in some ways being on bella has saved me from going over the edge. I have been accepted and welcomed here like I never expected.

There is good in all of us, and we have the ability to help others. Sometimes just being there is all it takes, sometimes a kind word, sometimes a little advice. It may just be something small, but it can bring immense comfort to someone who needs it. It is all good when given in the spirit of love and respect. If you want to stay here with us, I for one welcome you, and I appreciate you taking the time to post here. I hope you will feel comfortable sharing with us in the future.


Amen.

I second the motion.

acientflaxman, we desperately need you here on a regular basis.

I too thought that just because I succeeding in penetrating a few spiritual secrets it was easy for everyone else... this is not so...
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 12:59 AM

Originally Posted By: Cassie67
Burt.....that kitty of yours is just precious. It reminds me of my favorite of all the kitties I ever had....and at one time I had seven.

This black and white cat much like yours was named Maximilian. I found him outside of a pet supply store where I worked. He must have been about 5 weeks old. I thought he was blind but he was just really young. There was a small field out back where evidently feral cats were breeding.

I tried to place him in a rescue facility but they were full and needed some time to make room for him. I already had six cats and I really did not want another. In the meantime I took him in and we bonded right away. He would snuggle on me and we would take naps together. After a few weeks I could not give him up. He turned out to be the nicest and most affectionate cat.

My dear Max became ill at 7 years old, and I had to put him down due to complete kidney failure, probably due to bad genes from his overbreeding ancesters in that field. I cried like a baby when he was gone. I buried him in the yard so he could be close. I swear for months after that I could hear his distinct meow now and then, and I would catch a glimpse of a dark furry thing go quickly around a corner.

It was him, I know it. He was such a great cat.


Maximilian was the name of my Grand-Father !!!

These little critters bring such comfort !!!

Thank You Jesus !!!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 01:07 AM

Originally Posted By: Phyllis - Appalachia
Dave, it is always so good to have you come back. I am still often in tears with the physical loss of my Mother -- yet I am getting stronger every day, knowing she is with my siblings and I in spirit. I was unable knock this feeling out of me that I should be sobbing and wailing like others in my family are able to do. But, do you know what I realized, just last night? I can let go of that feeling that I should be sobbing and wailing -- for that is not how I deal with the loss of a loved one. And that is ok.

I am closer to those in spirit because of my deep understanding of the spiritual realms. I know that my Mother, Father, eldest Brother are not dead -- they are in another realm where they are beginning new journeys. They are at peace, I can feel that. For me to sob and wail would be an act of selfishness because of the physical contact that has gone away. Yet it is the spiritual oneness that gives me the strength to stand up and carry on with what has to be done in my earthly life. I know this makes sense to you. Many may not understand me -- but, I now know I am living my belief system. I am happy for the peace my loved ones have found. I am happy that they were able to do what they had to do here on Earth so they could go on to the next realm. I am not happy I cannot touch them physically, but the spiritual connection is profoundly joyful.

As Cassie says, each of us here has found support and help from the others. It is when we help another that we realize the depth of our own strengths and spirituality. The Mother told me that much. Blessed Be.


You know Phyllis, this sort of thing happened to me also -- they considered me stoic and unfeeling -- and when I demanded and got permission to have Mom, Dad and Uncle John cremated -- they went berserk !!!

Death is a human habit and a human tradition -- it is also a feeder of unbenign spirits and a money maker !!

Everyone had strange spooky spiritual experiences after Mom, Dad and John Passed -- Everyone except Connie and Me !!
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 01:15 AM

Cassie, I am so very sorry about your marriage. Yes there are a tremendous number of hurting people. I believe that these days people do not need sympathy as much as they do strong friends. I must be one of those weird jacks that looks for strength in a friend instead of sympathy. The way that I see it is that I have to pull myself up by my own boot-strings when I am down as it cannot be done for me by others. Compassion we all need but then we need to stand up and despite our pain we need to speak healing over ourselves, standing in that, and then allow ourselves to recover.

The hardest thing in life to do is to stand in ourselves so that no matter what happens around us we determine our own path and condition. This may sound cruel but it must be thought of; If we all enable each other continually in our misery none of us will ever heal. I have been steeped at times in utter darkness yet was left alone, out of wisdom, to see what was really inside of myself. I have a good friend that lives just north of me. He was sprayed with agent orange during the Viet Nam war. Years ago the doctors told him that he did not have long to live. He basically went home to die. One day while walking from the barn to the house he fell down on the ground and could not get back up. He told himself that this was his time. While resigning himself to death a being came and stood by him. He could not see the being but it told him to GET UP!! My friend said the he could not. The being told him again, GET UP and held on to my friends arm assisting him, although terribly weak, to his feet. He and this being walked together to the house. He made it to his chair. The being was gone. He had his idea of who the being was and I had mine but my opinion was, in this circumstance, of no consequence. My friend just knew that he was o.k. at that moment. He could not get over what happened to the point that he believed that if he could make it that day he could make it to the next. That was years ago.

He is now in excellent health. Since then he has been studying about organic and balanced nutrition for his body type, homeopathy, faith, bee sting therapy, and colostrum milk therapy and has helped many people out of some very serious sicknesses. I love this guy!! He is fearless!! He told me that because of this experience he has lost all fear of death and has given other people the gift of life.

Don't give up guys, no matter what tries to bring you down. There is somebody beside us at all times. We don't have to know how or what just that we are not alone. If we don't have the strength at present to help ourselves there are other forces of assistance until we get our footing. Blessed be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 01:19 AM

Hey, Burt. Death is inevitable. When a person passes it does not matter where the body lies or if it is cremated. It is only the cloak we use for life on Earth. When we walk on, we discard the cloak and our true essence goes on yet another journey. Many people may think I am unfeeling, but my friends, like you, understand. Thank you.

Even my 14 year old grandson understands. When we were decorating my Mother's and Brother's Christmas tree it was a bit sad for all of us, because Mama was not there. About half way through decorating, the tree fell and my nephew caught it just in time before it hit the floor. My grandson later said that "Great Grandma kicked it down because we probably did not put the right ornaments in the right place." So, you see, he knows Great Grandma is with us in spirit and that comforts him.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 01:29 AM

Burt, It has been rough on you in this life. I have not dealt with you in sympathy as that is not your real need. I got you dude, you will not fall!!!! I told you that I will not let go until you stand in yourself and see the incredible beauty of what is inside of you. No one will harm you again. As I said before, we have done this before. You helped me the last time. Remember??? We forgot a lot but its coming back.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 01:44 AM

Both of you, Dave and Burt, are my awesome Brothers in Spirit. It is such a joy when one holds up the other. "Friends are quiet Angels who lift us to our feet when our wings have trouble remembering how to fly." Is that not grand?
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 04:21 AM

Phyllis.....I admire the way you are handling your Mother's passing. If more people could do that they would be comforted and healed of their grief. I do not believe you are cold or unfeeling, just the opposite. You understand the spirit world, and you understand that your loved ones who have left here are at peace. How can we not find comfort in that?

Of course we miss our loved ones who have passed, but it is comforting to know that they are in a good place. They are always in our hearts and we will join them again some day, so they are never really lost to us.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 04:31 AM

Oh, Cassie, you are so right. I really believe that we all help each other here. I have seen you grow since you have been here -- you have become stronger and more centered and then started helping others. When you first started posting about your problems, I watched Steven (Horror Movies editor) helping you and others were helping and supporting you. It is so good to see you gaining more strengths, finding yourself, and also helping others. I wish Steven could come back more often, he is so compassionate.

We all seem to the strengths within us and the compassion to support others and the courage to speak about our own issues. I love our support group here -- and that group is ever growing.
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 04:31 AM

ancientflaxman.......I understand that your name is Dave. Thank you for responding. I agree that we need to stand up on our own after we have fallen. Feeding misery gets you nowhere.

I know that the only one to get me going again is myself. I am working on that now, and struggling, but I know that at some point I will find my way again. I keep thinking that I need some time alone somewhere.....near a body of water, or sitting in a quiet church. I feel that somehow the answers will come if I could just get away on my own and find solitude and quiet. At this time I don't know where I belong, and that is not a good place for me. I know the answers lie within, but for now I struggle for those answers.

One day at a time.....

What an incredible story about your friend. I do believe that good spirits are among us. Perhaps a loved one who had passed on helped your friend get up. Perhaps it was Jesus. In any event, your friend is truly an inspiration. You are too.

Thank you for joining us. You are needed and wanted, and very welcome here.
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 04:45 AM

Phyllis......I vividly remember Steven. I wish I would see more of him here as well. He was instrumental in getting me to discuss things I normally would not have, and it has helped in my healing. He is truly a gem and very compassionate.

The other man who helped me to unload some of my burden here with kind words and understanding was Burt. He was very encouraging and welcoming. He understood my pain. A sweet man he is, our Brother Burt.

And now Dave. Strong words of truth today. We are so lucky to have all of these men with us here.

I am ever grateful as well to all of the women here who have helped me understand that I have self worth, and that it was right to stick by my value system and my inner truth, even if it meant that I had to go through the most painful ordeal of my life. I appreciate the support of all of these great women, including you Phyllis.

We all need each other here for many different reasons. A lot of the time we share positives and happy things, and at other times we help each other when we are in pain or have difficulty. It is like a family, and I am very happy to be here and to have found all of you wonderful people. It is great to be accepted for who I am and not judged for it. This forum has become a safe place for me.

Thank you for your kind words, Phyllis. I have always been the type of person who helps others. Even if I am down I can always empathize with another human being, and if I can help with some insight I will. Helping others helps myself.
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 04:50 AM

Burt....I can't believe the name of your Grandfather is the same as the name of my dear kitty who has passed on. What a coincidence!

Animals can bring us such comfort, I agree. They have good energy and they love unconditionally. We are so lucky to have them.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 10:38 AM

Hello Everyone, I don't quite know how to how to say this but I will try to the best of my ability. I need all of your help because I just can't sort all of this stuff out. In the summer of 1983 I had a vision of exactly how Armageddon was going to happen and what role God had given to me to play in it. I was called to a specific organization to help me pull that off and instead I side-stepped the whole thing and ended up in insane asylums. But, these many years later, I need close friends to help me put it into perspective.

I was a very creative child. Honest, kind, gentle, sweet, brave, determined, competitive.

I had stable parents who had stable income.

After a while, I started looking around and realizing that a lot of kids around me were not so fortunate.

Then I started asking why am I "one of the lucky ones".

Anyway, like I said this is hard to get out.

I tried my best to follow the principles of Jesus, and I thought I was doing a pretty good job, and naively thought that everyone wanted to truly, truly follow what Jesus taught.

And because of this I was hated as a kid, and it only got worse as I got older.

to be cont.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 10:58 AM

Cassie, for you to see that you alone have the power within to heal and be complete is your greatest gift in life. It is the most difficult task that we accomplish yet within our culture we are taught nothing about it. In general, our families don't teach this, our schools, churches, medical, nor any other supposed allies of humanity give us an insight toward this most basic of human philosophies. It is so very hidden because of the fact that fortunes have been privately amassed, yet on the backs of others, by doing just that.

"Going within for the answers", is a topic that I harp on with regularity. For others to become complete within themselves has been the goal of my family for 500 years. I can see in retrospect that we used witchcraft and Christianity to do that, yet in that dichotomy and circumstance a most perfect balance was formed.

Yeh, its great to have the accolades from the people that we help and care for. Mankind loves the energy in return from the people that he helps but the true healers of humanity have a compassion for the human plight that has nothing to do with riding on the admiration of others. Bear with me guys;

All of us love to be admired and respected for the gifts that we have but we share these gifts more-so for the joy and /or comfort that it gives humanity than from the kudos from the recipients. I have helped a few people in this life, including myself, but somewhere along the path I insist that my client stand on his own and be complete within himself. They love Dave, he is a hero and savior, if you will, in the beginning and that might have to be for a time so that they themselves get the footing that they need vicariously through me. If, however, I continue with this scenario then they end up short of the mark. I basque in a pool of respect and love that will diminish what is in the client as they continually give themselves away to another instead of seeing the beauty within themselves. I love the praises but I love humanity more. Now let me get a little hard-[censored] if I might to prove a point. Again bear with me here;

When others obtain help from me, first of all, I am glad for them beyond measure. Then in time I loose respect for the individual that continually praises my abilities because I can see that it becomes an excuse for not relying on the strength within themselves to go and do for others like I did for them.

Look, I am nothing but a lanky 6 ft 8 inch Iowa plow jockey with all the tact of a chimpanzee. What am I saying here?? Look at yourself. Praise that most gorgeous being within you!!!! If all of us could do that the earth would heal. What I have is yours but don't short-change me or anyone else by not becoming the most perfect gift that you are born to be for your sake and for the inhabitants and welfare of this earth. Blessed Be
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 11:37 AM

Burt, If I might, let me try to unravel a little of this for you. You said that you tried to follow Jesus and it kinda imploded on you. I am into the Great Mother as it has been demonstrated much on this forum but I have to comment on this. The example that Jesus set upon earth was one of the most profound in history. He was murdered just because he loved people. How twisted is our culture!!!!! Because of the actions of some destructive people is his name held in mockery and contempt by some today. That same Pharisaical group of vipers is alive and well today just as then. Do not compare yourself to others.You are to be admired for following such a great example. DO NOT GIVE THAT UP!!!! It was His example that makes the corrupt of this generation ashamed of itself. I have problems with the church at times but not with Him. Nor do I give a doo doo for what others think of my belief system. You allow yourself to be hammered into submission. I told you that no one will harm you again not by spirit or personage. You have plenty of support from the people that are on here. YOU ARE HEALING. So mote it be. Your brother dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 01:23 PM

Thank You Dave. That is absolutely correct. I allow myself to be hammered into submission.

You see, for a while when I was younger, I was extremely violent and went the other way... and stood up for myself.

Jesus raised up The Mother Flame like all great Avatars have.

His twin ray was Mary Magdalene who held the female balance.

Devotion to Mother Mary is devotion to The Goddess come again.

You read between the lines very well Dave and I Thank You.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 02:09 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman

Look, I am nothing but a lanky 6 ft 8 inch Iowa plow jockey with all the tact of a chimpanzee. What am I saying here?? Look at yourself. Praise that most gorgeous being within you!!!! If all of us could do that the earth would heal. What I have is yours but don't short-change me or anyone else by not becoming the most perfect gift that you are born to be for your sake and for the inhabitants and welfare of this earth. Blessed Be


A lanky plow jockey named Philco Farnsworth showed the 'techies' how to make an electron beam create a picture know today as TV !!!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 02:18 PM

Originally Posted By: Phyllis - Appalachia
Hey, Burt. Death is inevitable. When a person passes it does not matter where the body lies or if it is cremated.


Each tradition is sacred for each family. The only reason I affirm cremation so much is that it is part of my occult studies.

It was a victory for me because my other family members were so ugly and opposed to it based upon their belief that the person is no more when the body passes.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 02:26 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Burt, It has been rough on you in this life. I have not dealt with you in sympathy as that is not your real need. I got you dude, you will not fall!!!! I told you that I will not let go until you stand in yourself and see the incredible beauty of what is inside of you. No one will harm you again. As I said before, we have done this before. You helped me the last time. Remember??? We forgot a lot but its coming back.


Do you have others in your area who support your beliefs ?

Unfortunately, I cut myself off from others and I'm very shy about my beliefs.

That's why I many times answer in short stacatto bursts here.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 02:30 PM

Originally Posted By: Cassie67
Burt....I can't believe the name of your Grandfather is the same as the name of my dear kitty who has passed on. What a coincidence!

Animals can bring us such comfort, I agree. They have good energy and they love unconditionally. We are so lucky to have them.


Yeah, but I'm the weird one because I have a beautiful kitty in my lap now, but did not want rug rats who want money, money, money.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 04:28 PM

Burt, If no one else on earth thinks or believes as I do I may get a little lonely but I will still be just fine. I have friends that simply believe in themselves. The majority believe in some sort of a deity. To me it is paramount that one have a belief system that sustains them throughout life. Something to rest ones mind upon.

I need your help here, O.K.? I have two friends that are dying. I am unable to help them. I have been able to help heal at least a few people in this life but I am being blocked from these two for some reason. My guess would be that I need to learn something that I currently don't know and I am very honestly stumped???? You're a healer Burt. It has been proven by the understanding that you demonstrate here as there is much wisdom and power in your spirit. You many times think of yourself as lost and probably the last person to seek out for advice. I need your help with this situation that I am in and you are the only one that can help me. I need the answer to a question that has bothered me for years. It is this;

We are born into this world. We learn to love others around us just by the course of life. That is all cool and everything. Then comes the curve ball. Now as we age and have learned to really love people and form many close attachments only to turn around and say good bye to them in death and then finally our own. What kind of a moronic plan is that?? My Christian friends would say that God has an understanding that we don't and to just trust his will. Bear with me here, O.K.? That is not an answer to my question. How does a deep thinker comfort themselves in what some would call a very trite answer? The Spiritualists say that death is just a part of life. One could say that that is another trite answer as even though we don't believe in death, I still want them HERE in person!. How about the analytical thinking mind that needs some answers. I don't have them. I need you to get beyond yourself and help a brother that has a need. Not even my family could tell me the answer to this. You are my brother. dave
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 05:12 PM

You aren't weird in my book, Burt. Who cares what anyone else thinks? As long as you are happy and at peace.
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 05:44 PM

Thanks Dave for your view. I agree that it is good to give others a leg up, but then they do have to make their own way and strive to be who they were meant to be. We all have inner beauty that only we can bring about from within ourselves.

I help people not for anything in return or for their admiration. I help people only because I feel that it is the right thing to do. I give enough to get them going again and then I back off. I for one do not have the strength to carry another the entire way because I am trying to make my own way as it is. I do what I can but I have to get myself going too. I will be able to do more in my life when I am whole again.

My personal struggle right now is to get over deep loss in my life. This grief and depression has crippled me in a way that I have not been able to pull myself up and move forward. I have of late made some small steps, but it is still very difficult and I have been in this mode now for a few years. Oh so slowly I feel bits of progress, especially after coming on bella and sharing with others and getting other points of view from all of these wonderful people.

But I do believe more has to be done and I need some quiet time to reflect and search for the answers I need as to what my next steps should be, where I belong, etc. I am trying to do exactly what you say......praise the beauty within myself and find the strength to go on.

Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 05:56 PM

Dave.....I know you asked Burt for some answers in regards to eventually losing your two friends. I will not have an in-depth answer like he will for you and I won't quote what you have already said. I hope you don't mind that I comment here.

Just one thing stands out for me......we are biologically weak. We may have great spiritual abilities but our bodies age and break down, and there is only so much through traditional and non-traditional means that we can do to slow this process down. It is very unfortunate and unfair. For some reason we can't understand we have been created with bodies that are not meant to last. Our physical form will eventually perish. It is only a matter of time.

This plan does seem very unfair when we have made the close bonds that we have with some people. I do believe that our spirits live on, but there is that time of grieving when you lose the ones you love. I am sorry if what I said here seems pretty darn obvious. I would like to know as well what Burt's view is on this.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 07:16 PM

Dave, I often turn to you when needing support. Your comment to "stand in ourselves" is so vividly and deeply true. We do reach out to others for support and love. Love is what keeps us standing within ourselves -- love and faith in ourselves and dear friends keeps us standing tall. Once again, I thank you, dear Brother. I know...I know...you will reply: "Do not thank me for it comes through me not of me." Thank you anyway for being there when I reach out. Thank you for allowing the Great Mother to come forth through you and touch us.

Blessed Be
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 07:26 PM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Burt, If no one else on earth thinks or believes as I do I may get a little lonely but I will still be just fine. I have friends that simply believe in themselves. The majority believe in some sort of a deity. To me it is paramount that one have a belief system that sustains them throughout life. Something to rest ones mind upon.

Hi Dave and Cassie67. I apologize for not getting back sooner, I had to get something to eat. I Love the Spiritual stuff sooo much that I really get annoyed when I have to take care of this lump of cement better known as the physical body so I try to keep it care to a minimum -- Thank You for your vote of confidence. I have not read Cassie67's reply yet but I will embed what first comes to mind and heart in color

I need your help here, O.K.? I have two friends that are dying. I am unable to help them. I have been able to help heal at least a few people in this life but I am being blocked from these two for some reason. My guess would be that I need to learn something that I currently don't know and I am very honestly stumped????

Many times karmic law will not allow them to be healed no matter what -- period. Even Christ Jesus himself went to different towns where people could not be healed. I don't know what techniques you use like Reiki -- so try not to feel bad.


IT IS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION OF YOU HAVING TO LEARN SOMETHING, RATHER IT IS MORE OF AN ISSUE OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO LEARN FROM THEIR SUFFERING AND DYING -- DO YOUR BEST, THEN LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE UP TO PROVIDENCE -- YOUR JUST BEING THERE WITH THEM AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND FIRM BELIEF AND PRACTICES IS ENOUGH OF A SEED TO HELP THEM IN THEIR NEXT EMBODIMENT -- I HAVE BEEN IN JAIL MANY TIMES AND FELT MY LIFE HAS BEEN A WASTE, BUT WHILE IN THERE I MAY HAVE PLANTED SEEDS OF HOPE THAT I KNOW NOT OF !! smile !!!

You're a healer Burt. It has been proven by the understanding that you demonstrate here as there is much wisdom and power in your spirit. You many times think of yourself as lost and probably the last person to seek out for advice. I need your help with this situation that I am in and you are the only one that can help me. I need the answer to a question that has bothered me for years. It is this;

We are born into this world. We learn to love others around us just by the course of life. That is all cool and everything. Then comes the curve ball. Now as we age and have learned to really love people and form many close attachments only to turn around and say good bye to them in death and then finally our own. What kind of a moronic plan is that??

Very moronic indeed until you come to the understanding that one lifetime is a very small sliver of time and space to learn our sowings and our reapings from past incarnations. We ourselfs created our circumstances from the wrinkle on our nose to our ability comprehend. We sat down with the karmic board and chose our parents and our general life plan and the challenges we would face. After incarnation the memory of that was taken from us. At age 16 I was diagnosed with bi-polar manic before it became fashionable these days, (I'm 50), in the diagnosis it says that they believe that they are on a mission from God and have special powers -- um.... every human beings life is a mission from god and everyone has special powers !! Of those that are created from above. There are those who are created from beneath. You have correctly surmised that the ones who know have use this knowledge to amass large sums of money on the back of others. J.P. Morgan has been quoted as saying, "Millionaires don't use astrology... Billionaires do" !!!! There is only one set of rules. God forbid as a child of God you begin to discover those rules... then you are a pagan witch, a heritic, in a cult and serve the devil and need to be put to death and burned at the stake !!! The ones who know first infiltrated religion as you so clearly realize in your statement about the Pharasies being alive and well today. Also, you knowing that Jesus Christ was put to death just for loving people !!! Planet Earth was a dark star and has a very old residue of superstition and fear of the new and the unknown. They also hate the Living God -- the masses do -- Have you ever run into fundamental groups that actually glorify the gore !!! Do you really think the God of Love enjoyed Jesus' suffering on the cross ??!!! What kind of mucked-up civilization do we live in ???? !!!! The Dark Ones have been in control of this planet for a long, long time... they are not going to give it up without a fight and some risk to us !! To answer your question more directly -- FRIENDSHIPS AND TRUE LOVE SHARED HERE NEVER DIES -- IT ACCRUES TO YOUR CASUAL BODY -- A STAR DIFFERITH FROM ANOTHER IN GLORY BY FREE-WILL -- THESE ARE YOUR PERSONAL TREASURES IN HEAVEN THAT DO NOT RUST !!! YOU WILL WORK WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR PARENTS AGAIN HERE OR HEREAFTER OR ON THE EARTH PLANE ON OTHER PLANETS PERHAPS OR IN ONE OF THE FATHER'S MANY MANSIONS !!! LOVE AND TRUE FRIENDSHIPS NEVER DIE EVEN IF THE BODY DOES !!!


My Christian friends would say that God has an understanding that we don't and to just trust his will. Bear with me here, O.K.? That is not an answer to my question. How does a deep thinker comfort themselves in what some would call a very trite answer? The Spiritualists say that death is just a part of life. One could say that that is another trite answer as even though we don't believe in death, I still want them HERE in person!. How about the analytical thinking mind that needs some answers.

You are tired of the milk sop and want the meat. I AM Your Brother and I AM My Brother's Keeper -- Keep asking -- I will do everything in my heart and mind to comfort you !!!!

I don't have them. I need you to get beyond yourself and help a brother that has a need. Not even my family could tell me the answer to this. You are my brother. dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 07:48 PM

Human Love is designed as a sip of God's Love until you prepare yourself and are prepared for 'The Whole Enchilada' of perfect Christhood -- Your Own Personal Perfect Christhood -- then you shall forever be know as Dave The Christ !!

The Christ is an office in hierarchy demonstrated publicly by the man Jesus.

" Chelas Who Would Replace the Love of the Lesser Self with the Love of the Greater Self:

There is a story in Greek legend about a beautiful youth who gazed into his reflection in a pool and fell in love with the image. As he pined away in the love of the lesser self, he was transformed into a narcissus and to this day is remembered by that name.

And so as you look at the daffodils and nar-cissus, yellow and gold in the springtime breezes, moving gently in the fresh winds of Aries and Thor, remember the devotion to the lesser self that, through the alchemy of the Holy Spirit, became in the floral offering the devotion to the Greater Self.

Sometimes mankind who abuse the gift of free will find that in the mercy of the law their energies, cycling through nature, are balanced through the elemental kingdom as plant and animal life take on the burden of mankind�s karma. Thus through the fires of transmutation and through the sacrifice of the lesser evolution for the greater, all life evolves Godward toward the center of the Divine Ego which ultimately displaces all egocentrism in the understanding of the adoration of the self as the Great God Self.

The worship of the lesser self is illegitimate. The worship of the Greater Self is legitimate. Therefore in the evolution of mankind, those who have allowed themselves to become attached to the form and the form consciousness have always found that their love is linear, following the finite line that has a beginning and an ending. By and by these learn the lesson that every Ascended Master has learned, that love is spherical and that true love is a whirling sun within the heart.

Ignited by the Holy Spirit, its devotion is to the flame of Life in every self, in every part of the Great Whole. And through devotion to the flame, the spherical love of the Greater Self takes in, in expanding measure, the allness of the lesser self, including its form and its formlessness, so that true love, all-encompassing, includes the Whole and the part.

True love meets the human need as well as the divine. True love can be experienced only as the completeness of the Higher Self is reflected in the pool of the soul. Thus beholding the Great Spirit, the great reality of selfhood, man and woman fall in love with the image of God and are consumed thereby. And in the consuming is the consummation of a greater love than any which can be contained in the cup of consciousness here below. Yet that greater love, shared by the Father-Mother God with every son and daughter, includes the allness of creation, the vastness of a cosmos.

In the relationships of God with God as these are experienced in life on earth, God gives to mankind a sip of the communion cup of love which only he can give. He allows him to partake of that immortal love which, through the fusion of the lesser self with the Greater Self�of the soul with the Spirit�all shall one day share as the joy of the rapture, being caught up in the resurrection fires of the Christed ones. <1>

Hierarchy comes to shorten the days of tribulation <2> for all who have caught the vision of the goal. Straight as the arrow flies, so is the soul shot from the bow of the Eternal Archer. Passing through the planes of Mater with the momentum and the thrust of the great arm of life, the soul reaches the mark of love and transcends all lesser images of selfhood. The arrow hits the zero in the center of being�zero ego, zero self-awareness apart from God. Here individuality is forever defined as an arrow aflame, so pining for the Real Image as to become a magnet magnetizing the energies of the Great Central Sun, including every virtue and talent that counts in the expansion of selfhood in and as the Holy Spirit.

Hierarchy comes to save the devotees from the shipwreck of a mortal existence confined and confining to mortality, possessed by and possessing lesser selves, forms of idolatry and of the idolatrous generation. Hierarchy comes with a call to the disciples of Christ who would become fishers of men. Hierarchy knows who and where you are. As Jesus walked by the Sea of Galilee and marked Simon and Andrew, already marked by the inner law of being, as they cast their net into the sea and said unto them, �Come ye after me, and I will make you to become fishers of men,� <3> so the call goes forth from the hierarch of the Aquarian age to disciples of the Flaming One of Freedom.

And those who have the marking of the law upon their souls will, like them, straightway forsake their nets and follow him, leaving friend and foe alike to follow the one through whose great heart fires all mankind shall be drawn into the net of the Cosmic Christ consciousness. And so the �fishes� merge into the oneness of the Greater Self, into that love which is above all other loves even as the loaves were also formed of the love of the Father-Mother God. And their allegiance is that which commands the very electrons of the soul as it gazes into the pool of the Self to form the image of its Maker.

The mark of the fish taken by the early Christians is not only the mark of the Piscean conqueror who conquers the emotions of a planet by the water of the Word, but it is the sign of those who have made the twin arcs of Alpha and Omega coils in the caduceus of the divine polarity. And the dot of the eye is the point of infinity where you are.

To souls adrift upon the sea of life we send out a line. It is a lifeline that must be seized with trust; for without trust, the doubts and fears of the lesser self, with all of its anxiety and frustration, inundate the soul that pursues the reunion with the Spirit of the living God. In taking up the line, the chela makes a choice. It is a choice to be led, that it might one day lead. And there is a daily choice also: to hold on to the line or to let go.

The Ascended Masters do not force their chelas. They allow their chelas to force them�to magnetize them�and thereby magnetize themselves to the higher law of their own being. There is a certain friction that is required for all attainment on the path. There are inconveniences to be borne and perhaps incongruities as you find yourself at times out of alignment with the lever of the law.

Chelas must be willing to exert themselves. Exertion is the block and tackle of mind and soul lifting the weight of darkness that it might become light. And there is a staying power that must needs be tested, a hanging-on for life, for breath, for love, for wholeness.

We write our Pearls of Wisdom out of engrams of light, out of matrices of the Spirit. Paragraph by paragraph, the sacred formula of selfhood unfolds. Man must decipher the formula of life and of living. He must probe. He must read and reread. He must invoke the Holy Spirit in whose flame is to be found the interpretation of the living Word and the multi-plication of the loaves and fishes, numbers of the law that are imparted as the equation of Spirit and Matter both between and in the lines of the printed word.

We will not spoon-feed our chelas. We expect to be met at least halfway. The oatmeal is on the spoon. Let those who are hungry lean forward, take the spoon, and feed themselves! We demand the mind of the chela conform to the mind of God. Hence our method in the presentation of the law is often after the koan of the Zen masters. We allow the enigma of divine reason to challenge human reason, to force the soul to a new plane, the plane of the rationale of the eternal Logos.

Our courses of instruction are not presented as a one-two-three, do-it-yourself success formula. We are not interested in �making business� or in popularity with the mass consciousness; nor do we play up to the sick and dying ego grasping and gasping in the throes of a final thrust for recognition through the emotional or mental control of other egos.

We do not promise to do for our chelas what they must do for themselves. Such systems involving the manipulation of aspects of the self appearing here and there as courses in autohypnosis, mind control, and the mechanical �clearing� of subconscious patterns or the records of past karma are but psychic hooks that have snared the souls of thousands. One and all these are but the manipollution, as the Great Divine Director says, of those who are on an �ego trip� outside the living flame. Let them have their day�for the days of their ambition are numbered.

Ah yes, our writings contain the sacred formula; but for the formula to crystallize in the mind of the chela, there is a requirement. That requirement is the input of the chela�the soul ingredient. The chela must mix in the momentum of his own individualized God flame.

Our discourses are distillations of the Spirit. Like the many instant foods on the shelves of your supermarkets, our words are concentrates: you must take them home and add water. The water is the living Word that flows freely from the fount of the Divine Mother. By God you are the Word incarnate! Shall we then add insult to injury by adding the water for you? Bah! Morya says, mix your own brew!

By the alchemy of the Master and the chela, by the fusion of selfhood as above so below, there emerge from the printed page and from the spoken Word a definition of concepts and the sacred formula that is unique for each individual even while it affirms the universal law of the elements. This interaction takes place each time the chela brings the flow of selfhood, of experience gained as it moves through time and space, to the instruction of the Ascended Masters.

Thus the association of the chela with the Master is unique in each and every case. For every lifestream there is a special oneness all its own, and each encounter is a special moment in eternity when time is not and space is consumed. These experiences with the Ascended Masters come day by day to those who will to leave behind the patterns of the lesser self and merge with the solar conscious�ness of the Greater Self as they study the Pearls of Wisdom and the Keepers of the Flame Lessons and meditate upon the dictations of the hierarchy delivered through our Messengers Mark and Elizabeth Prophet.

Now and then we hear the outcry of the proud intellect who takes up a Pearl of Wisdom and then declares, out of the ego need to impress his peers or to intellectually justify his rebellion, �I don�t get anything out of the Pearls.� Well, poor moth, I say, what do you expect? After all, you put nothing into them. Each Pearl of Wisdom is a key to another facet of the Master�s consciousness. And if, like the moth, you dare approach the light without your own light, you will, like the moth, be consumed.

If you love the Master, you will infuse the Pearl with your own momentum of devotion to the law and to the teaching. And this, together with the worded release, will unlock the light of the causal body of the Teacher. Some will try to take the teaching without giving of themselves. These retain a mental awareness and a mental attitude. They are devoid of the Spirit; their cups are empty. Having received nothing, they have nothing to give.

The same law holds true as you read the sacred scriptures of the world, for the true Masters of the ages have never cast their pearls carelessly. <4> They have revealed part of the mystery through the spoken Word and part through the unspoken word of their example. Beyond that they have let the inner law of each one�s own being act to compel the soul to rise to the level of the Christ consciousness. Here, received by the individual I AM Presence, it receives the gifts of the Spirit locked in the worded matrix now unlocked by the I AM THAT I AM. �For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.� <5>

Let all then accept the challenge of finding the pearl of great price <6> locked in each Pearl of Wisdom. Let them think twice before casting aside that which to their outer sophistication seems overly simple or overly complicated, too shallow or too deep, behind the times or ahead of the times, as the case may be. Let them think twice before casting aside the opportunity to come into union with the Spirit of the living God.

Humanity are all divers diving into the great sea of life. It has been said that if the pearl diver dives into the ocean and finds nothing, it is not the fault of the ocean. Opportunity is the sands in the hourglass eternally flowing through time and space. Opportunity is to seize the grain of the moment and make it a living pearl. Opportunity is to take the pearl of self, of a soul translucent, reflecting rainbow hue of Elohim, and to cast it into the sea of life that others might find in the pearl of selfless selfhood the way that leads to an eternal individuality.

In this age the Ascended Masters have cast the pearl of their identity sealed in God into the great sea of humanity in order that humanity might find their own individuality and their soul similarly consigned to God.

I AM the pearl waiting for the diver. Come and find me.

El Morya

The El of the Mother Ray

in the Eye of the Flaming Yod





1. 1 Thess. 4:17.

2. Matt. 24:21-22.

3. Mark 1:17.

4. Matt. 7:6.

5. 1 Cor. 13:9-10.

6. Matt. 13:46.

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Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 07:52 PM

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Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 08:08 PM

Dave, I read Burt's message and have to read it again. There are some powerful thoughts there.

Have you asked yourself, Dave, or asked your two friends, why you cannot help them? Is it because the situations are hopeless -- or is it because they do not want help? Is it because you are feeling the emotional part of this too deeply and cannot find within yourself the way to overcome the emotion and reach deeper within yourself?

Some clarity from you may give Burt, or the rest of us a way to help you.

Hugs
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 09:53 PM

I accept the hugs, thank you Phyllis!!! The problems is not with my two dying friends, it is within me. Old order witchcraft has taught me that I am not, and never have been. I totally accept that becuase I understand it. Maybe my problem, as I began to discover while reading Burts post, is that I have not truly let ALL of me go.

I know that when we know that we have never been here and can accept that fact in fullness, that we become the "all in all." We are born into duality and some of us come to the knowledge during our lifetime that we have returned home to the eternal. We are sown into corruption and rise to incorruptability. These things can be very hard to understand but it is we that go through it that many times have the most difficulty with it. I was taught that our life comes not from the visible but from the invisible. It is the unseen things that give life. This body is a seen thing. It is a creation and as with all creation it will have an end.

What has already been established from before the foundation of the earth is what will be long thereafter. As I know that the body leaves here, yet while in this physical lifetime, I also know that we intregrate into what has been established since forever. 10,000 words do not do this knowledge justice and it cannot be believed until one has seen it. It is usually not possible for the "rational" mind of man to comprehend the totality of this, just as it has been with mine, but it is nevertheless a reality in some circles. I do not blame anyone who says that this is total krapp. I would say the very same thing except for the fact that I have had to go through it and survived. Now I would not have it any other way. No more tears, sorrow, doubt, fear, life/death anguish. Its over and yet it is eternal.

The ones that have had to proceed in this mode become eternal. They realize that they are not and have never been, yet they become the great I AM. Even those two words man has attempted to define or clarify and so has lost much of its meaning. My family told me to say nothing of this for many years because no-on else could understand and they would even reach a point of being offended even towards violence. I am sorry but I can no longer believe that. People are not stupid and even though many cannot see clearly into a thing, their inner being can see it. Because it will quicken in some it is like planting a seed. Even though it has to break through the hard ground, must endure a lack of rain at times, and even nutrition, it is able to arise stronger and more enduring than what comes easy for some others.

If this is as clear as mud I am sorry. The possibilities however for us all to become the eternal, yet while in this lifetime, is readily available to us. Don't worry about understanding any of this, just hear the words and form no opinions about it quickly. Thanks again you guys!!! Never would I have dreamed that I could speak with such freedom to others not of my blood family. Encapsulated within this comes all healing on every level and restoration of the breach between people and mankind and the cosmos.

In summary I see that my holding on to this physical realm of illusion in any wise has prevented me from totally entering into the realm of the unspoken and non-geographical eternal. Thank you guys for your help!!!

Burt, you believed them when they said that you had a problem. The only problem with you is them. There is nothing wrong with your mind dude!!!!! your brother , dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/16/11 10:53 PM

The Goddess is on Google !!!

http
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Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 12:11 AM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
I accept the hugs, thank you Phyllis!!! The problems is not with my two dying friends, it is within me. Old order witchcraft has taught me that I am not,

You are not your physical body, you are not your outer reasoning mind -- you are not your emotions -- these are just a grid which you are using. You do have a unique human spirit and a unique identity as a flame spirit conceived and birthed by the mind of God

and never have been.

You are an idea in the mind of God and as far as the Father and Mother God are concerned, you never fell.

I totally accept that becuase I understand it. Maybe my problem, as I began to discover while reading Burts post, is that I have not truly let ALL of me go.

The form and the formless must become congruent for God to incarnate in the flesh Emmanuel -- God with us in the flesh as Dave. Mother has formed the physical body and Father is your spirit which animates the form. The spirit does the healing, but requires the form to make it meaningful to life evolving here.

I know that when we know that we have never been here

With all honest and deepest love and respect for the teachings you have come up in may I be so bold as to tweak that slightly to: We have always been and will always be we have never been born beginning and end are dreams we are without father and mother and will continue to always be. blessed be I AM

and can accept that fact in fullness, that we become the "all in all." We are born into duality and some of us come to the knowledge during our lifetime that we have returned home to the eternal. We are sown into corruption and rise to incorruptability. These things can be very hard to understand but it is we that go through it that many times have the most difficulty with it. I was taught that our life comes not from the visible but from the invisible. It is the unseen things that give life. This body is a seen thing. It is a creation and as with all creation it will have an end.

What has already been established from before the foundation of the earth is what will be long thereafter. As I know that the body leaves here, yet while in this physical lifetime, I also know that we intregrate into what has been established since forever. 10,000 words do not do this knowledge justice and it cannot be believed until one has seen it. It is usually not possible for the "rational" mind of man to comprehend the totality of this, just as it has been with mine, but it is nevertheless a reality in some circles. I do not blame anyone who says that this is total krapp. I would say the very same thing except for the fact that I have had to go through it and survived. Now I would not have it any other way. No more tears, sorrow, doubt, fear, life/death anguish. Its over and yet it is eternal.

I have also, this is why I ended up in insane asylums -- therefore we can live in heaven right now while still on earth.

The ones that have had to proceed in this mode become eternal. They realize that they are not and have never been, yet they become the great I AM.

The human ego that thinks it is separate from the I AM is what has never been and never will be -- I die daily to my lower self who thinks it is separate from God and I AM Birthed each day to the fact that I AM God and always have been. Yet, as the offspring of God I must one day grow-up and become a full-fledged Creator in my own domain I'm already a co-creator and have created my own suffering yet until I can be trusted to create in perfection I will not be given the keys to the infinite power, infinite wisdom and infinite love -- this is out of mercy -- what would the karma be if I got upset with someone in a solar system and decided to destroy it ?? The only thing that can be destroyed is imperfection.


Even those two words man has attempted to define or clarify and so has lost much of its meaning. My family told me to say nothing of this for many years because no-on else could understand and they would even reach a point of being offended even towards violence. I am sorry but I can no longer believe that. People are not stupid and even though many cannot see clearly into a thing, their inner being can see it. Because it will quicken in some it is like planting a seed. Even though it has to break through the hard ground, must endure a lack of rain at times, and even nutrition, it is able to arise stronger and more enduring than what comes easy for some others.

If this is as clear as mud I am sorry. The possibilities however for us all to become the eternal, yet while in this lifetime, is readily available to us. Don't worry about understanding any of this, just hear the words and form no opinions about it quickly. Thanks again you guys!!! Never would I have dreamed that I could speak with such freedom to others not of my blood family. Encapsulated within this comes all healing on every level and restoration of the breach between people and mankind and the cosmos.

In summary I see that my holding on to this physical realm of illusion in any wise has prevented me from totally entering into the realm of the unspoken and non-geographical eternal.

Thank you guys for your help!!!

Burt, you believed them when they said that you had a problem. The only problem with you is them. There is nothing wrong with your mind dude!!!!! your brother , dave

Thank You Dave -- I have found my true family and it is here.

I AM Above the I AM that is below in physical form. Therefore, I AM THAT I AM -- Man and Woman are Gods and Goddesses all sons and daughters of the Most High God -- Nothing in heaven, earth or hell -- the things that have been nor the things that shall be can ever tear us away from that Love of God for himself which is in each of us.

The Bible states that man cannot see God and live. What it does not record... but is recorded in akasha is the finishing of that statement -- Man cannot see God and live as man anymore. Then he must live as God.

If any or each of us could acquire the skill of clearly reading the life record of Dave's friends then we could clearly see what has caused the dis-ease 10 years ago or 10,000 year ago -- Like Edgar Cayce had that gift. Take heart. In the future maybe 200 years from now, there should be instruments that will be able to assess the human aura and pin-point the cause and effect of said illness. However the cause, effect, record and memory can be only be transmuted entirely by the use of the violet flame introduced by Saint Germain through Edna and Guy Ballard via the I AM Movement in the 1930's and subsequently moved forward by Mark L. and Elizabeth Clare Prophet in recent times. The I AM is the key.. It is the name of God and can be used in a spiritually scientific manner. Yes, this teaching has been violently opposed.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 12:22 AM

Brothers, I love you!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 12:31 AM

There are very few people who ' get it ' on the planet right now.

I would say about 2% - 3%

Here are about 3:



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Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 12:33 AM

I Love you too Phyllis !

Love can never be destroyed - Love destroys all unlike itself !!!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 12:35 AM

Easier read:

ancientflaxman said, " I accept the hugs, thank you Phyllis!!! The problems is not with my two dying friends, it is within me. Old order witchcraft has taught me that I am not,

You are not your physical body, you are not your outer reasoning mind -- you are not your emotions -- these are just a grid which you are using. You do have a unique human spirit and a unique identity as a flame spirit conceived and birthed by the mind of God

and never have been.

You are an idea in the mind of God and as far as the Father and Mother God are concerned, you never fell.

I totally accept that becuase I understand it. Maybe my problem, as I began to discover while reading Burts post, is that I have not truly let ALL of me go.

The form and the formless must become congruent for God to incarnate in the flesh Emmanuel -- God with us in the flesh as Dave. Mother has formed the physical body and Father is your spirit which animates the form. The spirit does the healing, but requires the form to make it meaningful to life evolving here.

I know that when we know that we have never been here

With all honest and deepest love and respect for the teachings you have come up in may I be so bold as to tweak that slightly to: We have always been and will always be we have never been born beginning and end are dreams we are without father and mother and will continue to always be. blessed be I AM

and can accept that fact in fullness, that we become the "all in all." We are born into duality and some of us come to the knowledge during our lifetime that we have returned home to the eternal. We are sown into corruption and rise to incorruptability. These things can be very hard to understand but it is we that go through it that many times have the most difficulty with it. I was taught that our life comes not from the visible but from the invisible. It is the unseen things that give life. This body is a seen thing. It is a creation and as with all creation it will have an end.

What has already been established from before the foundation of the earth is what will be long thereafter. As I know that the body leaves here, yet while in this physical lifetime, I also know that we intregrate into what has been established since forever. 10,000 words do not do this knowledge justice and it cannot be believed until one has seen it. It is usually not possible for the "rational" mind of man to comprehend the totality of this, just as it has been with mine, but it is nevertheless a reality in some circles. I do not blame anyone who says that this is total krapp. I would say the very same thing except for the fact that I have had to go through it and survived. Now I would not have it any other way. No more tears, sorrow, doubt, fear, life/death anguish. Its over and yet it is eternal.

I have also, this is why I ended up in insane asylums -- therefore we can live in heaven right now while still on earth.

The ones that have had to proceed in this mode become eternal. They realize that they are not and have never been, yet they become the great I AM.

The human ego that thinks it is separate from the I AM is what has never been and never will be -- I die daily to my lower self who thinks it is separate from God and I AM Birthed each day to the fact that I AM God and always have been. Yet, as the offspring of God I must one day grow-up and become a full-fledged Creator in my own domain I'm already a co-creator and have created my own suffering yet until I can be trusted to create in perfection I will not be given the keys to the infinite power, infinite wisdom and infinite love -- this is out of mercy -- what would the karma be if I got upset with someone in a solar system and decided to destroy it ?? The only thing that can be destroyed is imperfection.


Even those two words man has attempted to define or clarify and so has lost much of its meaning. My family told me to say nothing of this for many years because no-on else could understand and they would even reach a point of being offended even towards violence. I am sorry but I can no longer believe that. People are not stupid and even though many cannot see clearly into a thing, their inner being can see it. Because it will quicken in some it is like planting a seed. Even though it has to break through the hard ground, must endure a lack of rain at times, and even nutrition, it is able to arise stronger and more enduring than what comes easy for some others.

If this is as clear as mud I am sorry. The possibilities however for us all to become the eternal, yet while in this lifetime, is readily available to us. Don't worry about understanding any of this, just hear the words and form no opinions about it quickly. Thanks again you guys!!! Never would I have dreamed that I could speak with such freedom to others not of my blood family. Encapsulated within this comes all healing on every level and restoration of the breach between people and mankind and the cosmos.

In summary I see that my holding on to this physical realm of illusion in any wise has prevented me from totally entering into the realm of the unspoken and non-geographical eternal.

Thank you guys for your help!!!

Burt, you believed them when they said that you had a problem. The only problem with you is them. There is nothing wrong with your mind dude!!!!! your brother , dave "

Thank You Dave -- I have found my true family and it is here.

I AM Above the I AM that is below in physical form. Therefore, I AM THAT I AM -- Man and Woman are Gods and Goddesses all sons and daughters of the Most High God -- Nothing in heaven, earth or hell -- the things that have been nor the things that shall be can ever tear us away from that Love of God for himself which is in each of us.

The Bible states that man cannot see God and live. What it does not record... but is recorded in akasha is the finishing of that statement -- Man cannot see God and live as man anymore. Then he must live as God.

If any or each of us could acquire the skill of clearly reading the life record of Dave's friends then we could clearly see what has caused the dis-ease 10 years ago or 10,000 year ago -- Like Edgar Cayce had that gift. Take heart. In the future maybe 200 years from now, there should be instruments that will be able to assess the human aura and pin-point the cause and effect of said illness. However the cause, effect, record and memory can be only be transmuted entirely by the use of the violet flame introduced by Saint Germain through Edna and Guy Ballard via the I AM Movement in the 1930's and subsequently moved forward by Mark L. and Elizabeth Clare Prophet in recent times. The I AM is the key.. It is the name of God and can be used in a spiritually scientific manner. Yes, this teaching has been violently opposed.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 12:38 AM

Easier read 'gain:

ancientflaxman said: " Burt, If no one else on earth thinks or believes as I do I may get a little lonely but I will still be just fine. I have friends that simply believe in themselves. The majority believe in some sort of a deity. To me it is paramount that one have a belief system that sustains them throughout life. Something to rest ones mind upon.

Hi Dave and Cassie67. I apologize for not getting back sooner, I had to get something to eat. I Love the Spiritual stuff sooo much that I really get annoyed when I have to take care of this lump of cement better known as the physical body so I try to keep it care to a minimum -- Thank You for your vote of confidence. I have not read Cassie67's reply yet but I will embed what first comes to mind and heart in color

I need your help here, O.K.? I have two friends that are dying. I am unable to help them. I have been able to help heal at least a few people in this life but I am being blocked from these two for some reason. My guess would be that I need to learn something that I currently don't know and I am very honestly stumped????

Many times karmic law will not allow them to be healed no matter what -- period. Even Christ Jesus himself went to different towns where people could not be healed. I don't know what techniques you use like Reiki -- so try not to feel bad.


IT IS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION OF YOU HAVING TO LEARN SOMETHING, RATHER IT IS MORE OF AN ISSUE OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO LEARN FROM THEIR SUFFERING AND DYING -- DO YOUR BEST, THEN LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE UP TO PROVIDENCE -- YOUR JUST BEING THERE WITH THEM AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND FIRM BELIEF AND PRACTICES IS ENOUGH OF A SEED TO HELP THEM IN THEIR NEXT EMBODIMENT -- I HAVE BEEN IN JAIL MANY TIMES AND FELT MY LIFE HAS BEEN A WASTE, BUT WHILE IN THERE I MAY HAVE PLANTED SEEDS OF HOPE THAT I KNOW NOT OF !! smile !!!

You're a healer Burt. It has been proven by the understanding that you demonstrate here as there is much wisdom and power in your spirit. You many times think of yourself as lost and probably the last person to seek out for advice. I need your help with this situation that I am in and you are the only one that can help me. I need the answer to a question that has bothered me for years. It is this;

We are born into this world. We learn to love others around us just by the course of life. That is all cool and everything. Then comes the curve ball. Now as we age and have learned to really love people and form many close attachments only to turn around and say good bye to them in death and then finally our own. What kind of a moronic plan is that??

Very moronic indeed until you come to the understanding that one lifetime is a very small sliver of time and space to learn our sowings and our reapings from past incarnations. We ourselfs created our circumstances from the wrinkle on our nose to our ability comprehend. We sat down with the karmic board and chose our parents and our general life plan and the challenges we would face. After incarnation the memory of that was taken from us. At age 16 I was diagnosed with bi-polar manic before it became fashionable these days, (I'm 50), in the diagnosis it says that they believe that they are on a mission from God and have special powers -- um.... every human beings life is a mission from god and everyone has special powers !! Of those that are created from above. There are those who are created from beneath. You have correctly surmised that the ones who know have use this knowledge to amass large sums of money on the back of others. J.P. Morgan has been quoted as saying, "Millionaires don't use astrology... Billionaires do" !!!! There is only one set of rules. God forbid as a child of God you begin to discover those rules... then you are a pagan witch, a heritic, in a cult and serve the devil and need to be put to death and burned at the stake !!! The ones who know first infiltrated religion as you so clearly realize in your statement about the Pharasies being alive and well today. Also, you knowing that Jesus Christ was put to death just for loving people !!! Planet Earth was a dark star and has a very old residue of superstition and fear of the new and the unknown. They also hate the Living God -- the masses do -- Have you ever run into fundamental groups that actually glorify the gore !!! Do you really think the God of Love enjoyed Jesus' suffering on the cross ??!!! What kind of mucked-up civilization do we live in ???? !!!! The Dark Ones have been in control of this planet for a long, long time... they are not going to give it up without a fight and some risk to us !! To answer your question more directly -- FRIENDSHIPS AND TRUE LOVE SHARED HERE NEVER DIES -- IT ACCRUES TO YOUR CASUAL BODY -- A STAR DIFFERITH FROM ANOTHER IN GLORY BY FREE-WILL -- THESE ARE YOUR PERSONAL TREASURES IN HEAVEN THAT DO NOT RUST !!! YOU WILL WORK WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR PARENTS AGAIN HERE OR HEREAFTER OR ON THE EARTH PLANE ON OTHER PLANETS PERHAPS OR IN ONE OF THE FATHER'S MANY MANSIONS !!! LOVE AND TRUE FRIENDSHIPS NEVER DIE EVEN IF THE BODY DOES !!!


My Christian friends would say that God has an understanding that we don't and to just trust his will. Bear with me here, O.K.? That is not an answer to my question. How does a deep thinker comfort themselves in what some would call a very trite answer? The Spiritualists say that death is just a part of life. One could say that that is another trite answer as even though we don't believe in death, I still want them HERE in person!. How about the analytical thinking mind that needs some answers.

You are tired of the milk sop and want the meat. I AM Your Brother and I AM My Brother's Keeper -- Keep asking -- I will do everything in my heart and mind to comfort you !!!!

I don't have them. I need you to get beyond yourself and help a brother that has a need. Not even my family could tell me the answer to this. You are my brother. dave "
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 12:41 AM

I totally Get It. I understand. When the beauty and wisdom within one who has this type of knowledge is shared, it is the same as lighting lanterns in a dark world. Blessed Be...

I will not interrupt anymore, I am just so feeling good reading your messages. Please keep communicating with each other.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 01:22 AM

With tears in my eyes I have to say that FINALLY, we can talk openly about the secrets of the universe!!! For 500 years we have had to keep this to ourselves. In the first years some of us were murdered for this knowledge. God I can not tell you guys how incredibly happy that this has made me. We all get it, no more parables, no more talking in the other room, no more fear of religious persecution!!!! Its like a dam bursting in my spirit. I am the last one in my family yet the first in 500 years that can rejoice openly to others not of my blood about our freedom!!!!! Thank you, Thank you Thank you!! I love you guys!! dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 01:25 AM

Originally Posted By: Phyllis - Appalachia
I totally Get It. I understand. When the beauty and wisdom within one who has this type of knowledge is shared, it is the same as lighting lanterns in a dark world. Blessed Be...

I will not interrupt anymore, I am just so feeling good reading your messages. Please keep it coming.


No interruption at all. As a matter of fact, the more eyes and hearts resonating with the living god in the inner most recesses of our being seeing, feeling, reading, tasting, touching and typing the more stabilizing for the planet.

It's been a hard long haul for each and everyone of us.

I think that it would be safe to say that each and everyone of us have experienced enough sorrow, mental anguish, spiritual pain, rejection and even physical pain that many times we wished that we were dead.

God in his/her greater wisdom has brought us together to heal.
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 01:31 AM

And heal we will. We can now nick-name this the "Healing Place" -- you think?

As I have over time watched you, Burt and Dave, help each other to heal, the tears inside the heart are set free to cleanse and purify the soul. Beautiful. Blessed Be.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 01:43 AM

Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
With tears in my eyes I have to say that FINALLY, we can talk openly about the secrets of the universe!!! For 500 years we have had to keep this to ourselves. In the first years some of us were murdered for this knowledge. God I can not tell you guys how incredibly happy that this has made me. We all get it, no more parables, no more talking in the other room, no more fear of religious persecution!!!! Its like a dam bursting in my spirit. I am the last one in my family yet the first in 500 years that can rejoice openly to others not of my blood about our freedom!!!!! Thank you, Thank you Thank you!! I love you guys!! dave


Yes Dave.

Merry Christmas !

The same is true for me, my deepest dearest brother !!!

Being first generation American, I did not have the weight of 500 years of having to hide for fear of death.

However, I became so disoriented because my family had a great deal of mis-trust for any form of religion and money.

God Love my mother who went through the transition in 2003, but since she had an abusive father she oriented me toward never going out into the workforce, but staying with the family and family business which led to the unbelievable spiritual, mental, and financial abuse from my two older brothers.

I'm 50, and I never had my own money in my own pocket until I was 40. I know that many will look upon this and say -- that's just an excuse.

I was a competitive swimmer in Michigan in High School left the house @ 4am and got back @ 6:30pm. Granted I was the slowest guy on the team, but I gutted it out and earned a Varsity Letter in my Junior and ONLY Year on the team !!

Then I became a LifeGuard on the Ocean.

I could only do this because our live-in Uncle John a confirmed bachelor did all the food and laundry while Mom & Dad ran two businesses one in Michigan and one in Florida both out of our home.

Once that support system was gone, I could not cook and clean for myself let alone work in the outside world and support a wife and then children.

So God provided anyway when Connie came along we learned the business in Florida and were dedicated full-time to them until their transition.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess Heals - 12/17/11 01:47 AM

Originally Posted By: Phyllis - Appalachia
And heal we will. We can now nick-name this the "Healing Place" -- you think?

As I have over time watched you, Burt and Dave, help each other to heal, the tears inside the heart are set free to cleanse and purify the soul. Beautiful. Blessed Be.


Blessed Be.

I can finally say it with heart and gusto !!

The Goddess Heals !!
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess Heals - 12/17/11 02:03 AM

Woooo - Hoooo!!!

For all eternity the Lantern Carriers will live and give.
LANTERN CARRIERS SPREAD LIGHT AND LOVE

Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 02:16 AM

I finally understand what my family really meant about never having been here. I never was here. There never was a dave. Just that which is, has ever been, and will ever be. Dave has left the building because he never entered it in the first place. All that is left and all that has ever been is the eternal. Blessed be
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 02:27 AM

Yet you are always here in spirit. You are everywhere in spirit.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 02:31 AM

Yes Phyllis, so are we all. Blessed be
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess Heals - 12/17/11 03:45 AM

When did you write The Lantern Carriers ?

It's Beautiful !!!
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess Heals - 12/17/11 03:49 AM

It's kind of fun to live in eternity right now.

TIME IS SEGMENTS OF ETERNITY.

The is no death, no parting, no sorrow.

Just all-one-ness tomorrow and tomorrow !!!

Hmmm... The Christmas ANGELS are close and getting closer.
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess Heals - 12/17/11 04:18 AM

Dave and Burt.....I have been inspired tonight reading your dialogue back and forth. Dave, I am so happy for you that you finally feel free. I could feel the exuberance in your post. Blessed be.

Phyllis.....that piece on Lantern Carriers is just awesome. We have some of those beautiful carriers here with us tonight.

I am still learning here and appreciate all that you three have shared, especially the posts from our two Brothers of Light. Blessed be.
Posted By: Debbie-SpiritualityEditor

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 04:55 AM

"It's been a hard long haul for each and everyone of us.

I think that it would be safe to say that each and everyone of us have experienced enough sorrow, mental anguish, spiritual pain, rejection and even physical pain that many times we wished that we were dead.

God in his/her greater wisdom has brought us together to heal."

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There is so much truth to this, Burt. I think my personal hell started when I was about 13, when my father lost his mind and was diagnosed with paranoid schizophrenia. My mother suffered physical abuse as well as mental and emotional anguish due to my father's violence.....all this while us three kids watched and heard.

When he landed in mental hospitals did I stay away? No, I became the parent and visited him every day.....even on school nights. I was a high school kid who drove with my younger sister a half an hour one way to the hospital, where my father would get from us things we brought for him that he wanted in order to make his stay more comfortable....change for the vending machines, cigarettes, hard candy, etc. We loved him even though he terrorized us. It was not easy to see the doped up mental patients on his wing. I felt badly for every one of them. They had no life locked up in a prison of sorts and medicated out of their minds.

When my father died at age 50 it was a blessing and a relief. I was happy that he was at peace. I was only 26 but I knew that he was in a better place and had no pain. His spirit was free and happy. My tears over his death did not last very long.

I must have made bad choices because I went through two marriages.....the first at age 22 to an alcoholic. I didn't know it until after we were married. That marriage didn't last long. The second time I was married was at age 26 to a man who I believed was my soulmate. The love we had together was incredible. We totally understood each other. I loved him like I will never love anyone else. After a 19 year relationship he left me to persue another life with another woman.

Twice I have been hurt and rejected by men I trusted with everything I had. The last relationship because of its longevity has left me devastated. I still have a hard time processing it all, and even to this day I have a hard time believing that it really is over. It has been almost two years now.

Through the years there has been all sorts of other hardships, one after another it seems, and so to say that I have been through the mill in the past 31 years is pretty accurate. I am tired, just tired of it all. I yearn for a simple life, because I have been stripped of so much that I once held dear. I truly can no longer be the person I once was. The last few years of despair has taken everything out of me. Whomever I turn out to be when I recover will be a totally different person.

I want to heal. I am ready to heal. I can't live like this in pain anymore. I have spent more time on here with you all then I spend looking for a job....which I desperately need to find asap. It is just that I feel that I won't be able to function until I can fix what is wrong inside of me. The outside can't reflect the positive unless the inside feels it. This is why I am here. I am trying to seek guidance on how to heal the inside of who I am, so I can survive the outside world and find happiness again in some form.

Thank you all for listening and for supporting me.


Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 05:36 AM

You are so right, Cassie, we do have some Lantern Carriers here and it is a good feeling.

As Dave has always told us, all we really need is already within us. I have another article that might help you find some healing and spiritual peace. I hope it helps. If you have any questions about it, feel free to ask.

TAME YOUR SPIRITUAL UNREST

My father taught me a lot about spirituality from the time I was old enough to toddle around after him. Of course, I did not realize what he was teaching me was how to grow spiritually -- that realization came many years later. One thing he taught me when I was very young is that one must sometimes go into the silence (within, as when meditating) and listen to the voice of your soul. He did not say it that way, he would say something like, "Just go sit in your room, shut the door, sit on your bed and be very quiet. Soon you will know the answer." It still works for me. I have received so much help by listening to the voice of my soul.

Healing starts from within. One cannot be healed until they go within and begin the healing of the child that still hurts, or the wife that is still feeling pain and sadness. Soothe that part of you that is hurting by imagining you are hugging that child and rocking her, helping her to ease the pain and find the way to stand up and go forward with trust, faith, and love for herself.

You are getting there, Cassie. It sometimes seems like a long journey, but treasure every minute of it, for you need to remember what gave you the strength to go forward and how it helped you.

Hugs!
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 10:37 AM

Cassie, You have made some real stretches recently. I can hardly believe how fast you are growing. If I may, let me share how I begin any healing session. I am relentless in this pursuit until the person/people that I am working with have this established firmly into their brain.

First of all disease or illness of any part of the body is not real. O.K. one could say,"O yeh right Dave, I don't have a cancer on my breast, right??. Do you want to feel the lump??" Now my next statement would automatically be,"What lump?" They retort," RIGHT HERE!!!!!". Again I repeat,"right where?". We go back and forth until we end up usually in a deadlock stare. Then they usually crack with a smile and say,"O.K. I get it!" Our culture has been programmed toward the visible. As you know I have said many times that our life comes from the invisible.

Now we both see that our speech must change in order to over-ride the death sentence that has been placed upon mankind from of old. Coming from the old order we see that it is layer upon layer of curses even from ancient times thrust upon people and families that must be dealt with in order to clear the mind and body. If anyone on here does not believe in curses just look at the mindset of the individual who has just been told that because his/her dad had diabetes now they are prone to such. What has just been accomplished in their mind? A doubt has just been interjected into the mind that could compromise the health status of the victim. This is a form of a curse but just as effective as one from ages gone past. What if one was told," There is no reason for you to believe that you will ever have diabetes." What kind of ammunition has the psyche been armed with in this situation????!!!

O.K. lets go from here.

As the other person restates with a smile,"What lump?" The foundation has just been set for its defeat. It is the same with mental illness. This culture, which is usually more mentally ill than the individual it has targeted, has to rethink its stand. We keep each other held hostage.

There is a certain chain of hospitals that has performed miracles when it comes to cancer. When I first heard about these guys I did handsprings and told my other half that,"Finally, someone gets it!!!!" The whole being is dealt with, mind, body, and spirit. I honestly am not trying to drum up business for them here other than to say that I applaud them for their efforts.

Coming from some very ancient philosophies I see that the mind is the most powerful force that the human being possesses. If one has it re-programmed and then healing is applied it will be accomplished and then sustained with the backing of the mind. Now, it has been found repeatedly that the mind can be re-programmed, of course, but also trained to do the hidden art of healing any part of the body by itself. This has been proven throughout history innumerable times. It has been accomplished by ancient masters including one called Jesus who himself said,"And greater works shall ye do than I have done." I am not trying to push religion here, I am just attempting to have us see the power that we have within.

Getting back to the person with assumed breast cancer. This is where I must argue with our culture when they insist that we cannot be in denial as that defeats progression. Denial, if applied negatively, does thwarts the chances of a positive outcome of a given situation. On the flip side it can be used to thwart a negative situation resulting in a positive outcome .It has unmovable power when shored up with steadfast determination and repeated affirmations. BINGO.

"Dave, I was told that I have a disease and it can never be repaired. I will have it with me all of my life." That is denial. It thwarts any possibility of healing. That is also a self imposed curse. Now if we use denial correctly such as, "I am just fine, I am whole, and will live to be very old if I choose and I have no room for rent in my head that allows another being to dictate to me the course of my life." A positive progression cannot live in denial likewise neither can a negative. Lets use it to thwart the negative instead of the positive. The lump will retreat. It has no longer any power and will physically decline due to the positive reinforcement of denial. All of you science heads out there; don't be afraid to research the empirical studies done on this topic. If you don't believe them, do your own but do them, in all fairness, with an open mind as a true scientist.

The people that I see, are taught to heal themselves because I love them enough to take pleasure in the fact that they alone have taken back the power to live freely. The healer is within. dave is just a mirror. he can tweek the mirror as needed but each individual must be empowered with their own tools to navigate through life. "The guru is within", as Cousin Julie told me. Another great leader once said that the greatest place that we can visualize is already inside of us. Physical and mental illness exists only if we allow it. One does not have to believe one word that I have written here. Just give yourself the courtesy of listening to them. Blessed Be
Posted By: Onealone2

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 10:56 AM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
Burt, If no one else on earth thinks or believes as I do I may get a little lonely but I will still be just fine. I have friends that simply believe in themselves. The majority believe in some sort of a deity. To me it is paramount that one have a belief system that sustains them throughout life. Something to rest ones mind upon.

Hi Dave and Cassie67. I apologize for not getting back sooner, I had to get something to eat. I Love the Spiritual stuff sooo much that I really get annoyed when I have to take care of this lump of cement better known as the physical body so I try to keep it care to a minimum -- Thank You for your vote of confidence. I have not read Cassie67's reply yet but I will embed what first comes to mind and heart in color

I need your help here, O.K.? I have two friends that are dying. I am unable to help them. I have been able to help heal at least a few people in this life but I am being blocked from these two for some reason. My guess would be that I need to learn something that I currently don't know and I am very honestly stumped????

Many times karmic law will not allow them to be healed no matter what -- period. Even Christ Jesus himself went to different towns where people could not be healed. I don't know what techniques you use like Reiki -- so try not to feel bad.


IT IS NOT SO MUCH A QUESTION OF YOU HAVING TO LEARN SOMETHING, RATHER IT IS MORE OF AN ISSUE OF WHAT THEY HAVE TO LEARN FROM THEIR SUFFERING AND DYING -- DO YOUR BEST, THEN LEAVE EVERYTHING ELSE UP TO PROVIDENCE -- YOUR JUST BEING THERE WITH THEM AND YOUR KNOWLEDGE AND FIRM BELIEF AND PRACTICES IS ENOUGH OF A SEED TO HELP THEM IN THEIR NEXT EMBODIMENT -- I HAVE BEEN IN JAIL MANY TIMES AND FELT MY LIFE HAS BEEN A WASTE, BUT WHILE IN THERE I MAY HAVE PLANTED SEEDS OF HOPE THAT I KNOW NOT OF !! smile !!!

You're a healer Burt. It has been proven by the understanding that you demonstrate here as there is much wisdom and power in your spirit. You many times think of yourself as lost and probably the last person to seek out for advice. I need your help with this situation that I am in and you are the only one that can help me. I need the answer to a question that has bothered me for years. It is this;

We are born into this world. We learn to love others around us just by the course of life. That is all cool and everything. Then comes the curve ball. Now as we age and have learned to really love people and form many close attachments only to turn around and say good bye to them in death and then finally our own. What kind of a moronic plan is that??

Very moronic indeed until you come to the understanding that one lifetime is a very small sliver of time and space to learn our sowings and our reapings from past incarnations. We ourselfs created our circumstances from the wrinkle on our nose to our ability comprehend. We sat down with the karmic board and chose our parents and our general life plan and the challenges we would face. After incarnation the memory of that was taken from us. At age 16 I was diagnosed with bi-polar manic before it became fashionable these days, (I'm 50), in the diagnosis it says that they believe that they are on a mission from God and have special powers -- um.... every human beings life is a mission from god and everyone has special powers !! Of those that are created from above. There are those who are created from beneath. You have correctly surmised that the ones who know have use this knowledge to amass large sums of money on the back of others. J.P. Morgan has been quoted as saying, "Millionaires don't use astrology... Billionaires do" !!!! There is only one set of rules. God forbid as a child of God you begin to discover those rules... then you are a pagan witch, a heritic, in a cult and serve the devil and need to be put to death and burned at the stake !!! The ones who know first infiltrated religion as you so clearly realize in your statement about the Pharasies being alive and well today. Also, you knowing that Jesus Christ was put to death just for loving people !!! Planet Earth was a dark star and has a very old residue of superstition and fear of the new and the unknown. They also hate the Living God -- the masses do -- Have you ever run into fundamental groups that actually glorify the gore !!! Do you really think the God of Love enjoyed Jesus' suffering on the cross ??!!! What kind of mucked-up civilization do we live in ???? !!!! The Dark Ones have been in control of this planet for a long, long time... they are not going to give it up without a fight and some risk to us !! To answer your question more directly -- FRIENDSHIPS AND TRUE LOVE SHARED HERE NEVER DIES -- IT ACCRUES TO YOUR CASUAL BODY -- A STAR DIFFERITH FROM ANOTHER IN GLORY BY FREE-WILL -- THESE ARE YOUR PERSONAL TREASURES IN HEAVEN THAT DO NOT RUST !!! YOU WILL WORK WITH YOUR FRIENDS AND YOUR PARENTS AGAIN HERE OR HEREAFTER OR ON THE EARTH PLANE ON OTHER PLANETS PERHAPS OR IN ONE OF THE FATHER'S MANY MANSIONS !!! LOVE AND TRUE FRIENDSHIPS NEVER DIE EVEN IF THE BODY DOES !!!


My Christian friends would say that God has an understanding that we don't and to just trust his will. Bear with me here, O.K.? That is not an answer to my question. How does a deep thinker comfort themselves in what some would call a very trite answer? The Spiritualists say that death is just a part of life. One could say that that is another trite answer as even though we don't believe in death, I still want them HERE in person!. How about the analytical thinking mind that needs some answers.

You are tired of the milk sop and want the meat. I AM Your Brother and I AM My Brother's Keeper -- Keep asking -- I will do everything in my heart and mind to comfort you !!!!

I don't have them. I need you to get beyond yourself and help a brother that has a need. Not even my family could tell me the answer to this. You are my brother. dave


Burt, I have been following this exchange silently and thoughtfully, and after reading your responses here, I have to say, in all sincerity, that your comments are some of the wisest words I've ever heard from anyone.

You have MUCH to offer this sick world my gentle brother!

LOVE you!
Posted By: Onealone2

Re: The Goddess - 12/17/11 11:30 AM

Originally Posted By: Burt B.
Originally Posted By: ancientflaxman
I accept the hugs, thank you Phyllis!!! The problems is not with my two dying friends, it is within me. Old order witchcraft has taught me that I am not,

You are not your physical body, you are not your outer reasoning mind -- you are not your emotions -- these are just a grid which you are using. You do have a unique human spirit and a unique identity as a flame spirit conceived and birthed by the mind of God

and never have been.

You are an idea in the mind of God and as far as the Father and Mother God are concerned, you never fell.

I totally accept that becuase I understand it. Maybe my problem, as I began to discover while reading Burts post, is that I have not truly let ALL of me go.

The form and the formless must become congruent for God to incarnate in the flesh Emmanuel -- God with us in the flesh as Dave. Mother has formed the physical body and Father is your spirit which animates the form. The spirit does the healing, but requires the form to make it meaningful to life evolving here.

I know that when we know that we have never been here

With all honest and deepest love and respect for the teachings you have come up in may I be so bold as to tweak that slightly to: We have always been and will always be we have never been born beginning and end are dreams we are without father and mother and will continue to always be. blessed be I AM

and can accept that fact in fullness, that we become the "all in all." We are born into duality and some of us come to the knowledge during our lifetime that we have returned home to the eternal. We are sown into corruption and rise to incorruptability. These things can be very hard to understand but it is we that go through it that many times have the most difficulty with it. I was taught that our life comes not from the visible but from the invisible. It is the unseen things that give life. This body is a seen thing. It is a creation and as with all creation it will have an end.

What has already been established from before the foundation of the earth is what will be long thereafter. As I know that the body leaves here, yet while in this physical lifetime, I also know that we intregrate into what has been established since forever. 10,000 words do not do this knowledge justice and it cannot be believed until one has seen it. It is usually not possible for the "rational" mind of man to comprehend the totality of this, just as it has been with mine, but it is nevertheless a reality in some circles. I do not blame anyone who says that this is total krapp. I would say the very same thing except for the fact that I have had to go through it and survived. Now I would not have it any other way. No more tears, sorrow, doubt, fear, life/death anguish. Its over and yet it is eternal.

I have also, this is why I ended up in insane asylums -- therefore we can live in heaven right now while still on earth.

The ones that have had to proceed in this mode become eternal. They realize that they are not and have never been, yet they become the great I AM.

The human ego that thinks it is separate from the I AM is what has never been and never will be -- I die daily to my lower self who thinks it is separate from God and I AM Birthed each day to the fact that I AM God and always have been. Yet, as the offspring of God I must one day grow-up and become a full-fledged Creator in my own domain I'm already a co-creator and have created my own suffering yet until I can be trusted to create in perfection I will not be given the keys to the infinite power, infinite wisdom and infinite love -- this is out of mercy -- what would the karma be if I got upset with someone in a solar system and decided to destroy it ?? The only thing that can be destroyed is imperfection.


Even those two words man has attempted to define or clarify and so has lost much of its meaning. My family told me to say nothing of this for many years because no-on else could understand and they would even reach a point of being offended even towards violence. I am sorry but I can no longer believe that. People are not stupid and even though many cannot see clearly into a thing, their inner being can see it. Because it will quicken in some it is like planting a seed. Even though it has to break through the hard ground, must endure a lack of rain at times, and even nutrition, it is able to arise stronger and more enduring than what comes easy for some others.

If this is as clear as mud I am sorry. The possibilities however for us all to become the eternal, yet while in this lifetime, is readily available to us. Don't worry about understanding any of this, just hear the words and form no opinions about it quickly. Thanks again you guys!!! Never would I have dreamed that I could speak with such freedom to others not of my blood family. Encapsulated within this comes all healing on every level and restoration of the breach between people and mankind and the cosmos.

In summary I see that my holding on to this physical realm of illusion in any wise has prevented me from totally entering into the realm of the unspoken and non-geographical eternal.

Thank you guys for your help!!!

Burt, you believed them when they said that you had a problem. The only problem with you is them. There is nothing wrong with your mind dude!!!!! your brother , dave

Thank You Dave -- I have found my true family and it is here.

I AM Above the I AM that is below in physical form. Therefore, I AM THAT I AM -- Man and Woman are Gods and Goddesses all sons and daughters of the Most High God -- Nothing in heaven, earth or hell -- the things that have been nor the things that shall be can ever tear us away from that Love of God for himself which is in each of us.

The Bible states that man cannot see God and live. What it does not record... but is recorded in akasha is the finishing of that statement -- Man cannot see God and live as man anymore. Then he must live as God.

If any or each of us could acquire the skill of clearly reading the life record of Dave's friends then we could clearly see what has caused the dis-ease 10 years ago or 10,000 year ago -- Like Edgar Cayce had that gift. Take heart. In the future maybe 200 years from now, there should be instruments that will be able to assess the human aura and pin-point the cause and effect of said illness. However the cause, effect, record and memory can be only be transmuted entirely by the use of the violet flame introduced by Saint Germain through Edna and Guy Ballard via the I AM Movement in the 1930's and subsequently moved forward by Mark L. and Elizabeth Clare Prophet in recent times. The I AM is the key.. It is the name of God and can be used in a spiritually scientific manner. Yes, this teaching has been violently opposed.


Just a simple example of what I think Burt is saying, is something that happened to me EVERY time I addressed a gathering of people, either in lectures about Cetaceans, or some other nature topic, or healing subject, or as a Lay Preacher - (before I left that for higher mountains to climb.)

As I stood before them, a change took place within me. What I now recognize to be the Higher Self, emerged and 'took over' in my consciousness. I was overwhelmed with a great love for every one of them. I saw every face, and looked into every soul, and what did I see? I saw, and FELT 'my CHILDREN'! These were MY CHILDREN!!!!! All beautiful! All my beloved children!

As soon as the address, or message, or lecture was finished, that awareness left me, and I was just 'me' again. But for the space of time when I stood before them, looking at those upturned faces, I knew perfect love, and I saw them all as my children. My babies.

This feeling still comes over me at unexpected times, when observing others. I figured out what it was 20 years or more ago, but have never spoken of it until now, - - and Burt explains it so well.
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess Heals - 12/17/11 12:24 PM

I have forgone raising my own biological children so I could become the universal father of all. I don't do anything -- I AM.

What you believe you are -- you are.

As Dave so clearly stated True Science knows that all things visible came from the invisible.

They started finding this out in the 1930's and even before when they could not understand why matter would act like a wave until you observed it, then it would act like a particle.

In the 1970's a person under hypnosis <which I do not recommend> was told that a hot iron was placed on their arm. In the visible dimension what was placed on their arm was a Popsicle and it was filmed. The arm turned red and produced boils and every medical symptom of a 2nd degree burn.

Give yourself some time Cassie67.

Do not set limits on your healing.

One foot in front of the other.

Mother Nature is smarter than you are.

She has her time and her season and she deeply loves everyone of her precious little ones.

You have a responsibility to watch where your attention goes.

All of media is designed to take you out of yourself.
Posted By: ancientflaxman

Re: The Goddess Heals - 12/17/11 04:36 PM

Burt, I love you brother!!!

I have another thing that I must do so I may not be around as much as I could be but I will pop in and out at times. If you feel yourself slipping in any wise put your thoughts out into the cosmos. One never knows who may be listening. Enough said. I am so proud of you and all of you ladies. You gals get this stuff!! We men will tag along until it sinks in, LOL Take care of each other. dave
Posted By: Burt B.

Re: The Goddess Heals - 12/17/11 06:09 PM

smile
Posted By: Phyllis Doyle Burns

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