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Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby AGHH! Help Please - 03/21/08 01:43 AM
Aghh! My budgie that i got a few days ago is already used to my hand. She climbs on every once in a while. But when i put her on the bed in my moms room she gets scared and today she flew right into the wall and the window. She seemed fine.Also a couple of days ago I noticed her main toe is missing and her foot is SWOLLEN. She can't close her claw fully so she can only hold on with one foot. I on't know what to do. She lets me rub it and put some clove oil on there so she won't bite it but im afraid that she si going to have problems later. She is under a 15 day warranty so i was wondering if i should go back to the store and get a new one. Thanks. I will post a picture later. Thanks again
Posted By: Mavis Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/21/08 11:54 PM
This is always a tough decision. Its great to start out with a healthy bird, so returning it to the store seems like the obvious solution. BUT, the store will probably decide not to spend any money getting the little guy healthy and may just have him put to sleep.

Of course, if you keep him, you will have to pay some vet bills yourself as it sounds like he he should be seen by an avian vet.

Please remember to cover windows in a room when letting your bird fly until he has mastered landing properly. There isn't much you can do about the walls, but windows should be covered.
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/22/08 01:39 AM
Well. She is stepping up with the injured foot and seems to be adapting to her surroundings. She is in my room and she is very quite unless she wants something. She has her wings clipped and she keeps on running or flying into walls. She only does it if something happened around her or something scares her. My mom said it would be no use to bring her to the vet and she likes me ALOT and I love her. I just could not let her go. She screams once i leave the room but then she calms down.
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/28/08 04:15 PM
She lived a short life. She suddenly died last night at 9:17 pm. R.I.P Cherish
Posted By: "Rosie" Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/28/08 04:21 PM
Sorry to hear that. ;o(
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/28/08 06:33 PM
thanks
Posted By: Mavis Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/28/08 07:46 PM
I'm so sorry!
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/29/08 02:48 AM
Its ok. She was like only 3-4 months old. She was so weak
Posted By: Mavis Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/29/08 01:10 PM
Originally Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby
Its ok. She was like only 3-4 months old. She was so weak


This is where I disagree with you. It wasn't OK. She was just a baby and didn't have a chance at life.

A sick bird should be taken to an avian veterinarian!

Since we don't know what was wrong with her, we don't know if she might have been saved, but there is a good chance she would still be alive if she had been given that chance.

Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/30/08 12:31 AM
Ok i couldn't get her into the travelling cage to bring her to the vet. Im not even sure if she was even that young. And she was to weak to possibly bring to the vet as we have to go on a dirt road to get there which ia about 30 mins away. And no she would not have been able to live if she had gotten that chance as it was mostly her foot was swelling and would have caused problems in a few weeks and would not have lived past 6 months. Atleast people here understand wat she went through and im sorta glad that she past because having 3 toes on one foot and a permant swollen foot everyday would have caused her to be in alot of pain and atleast you didn;t have to see her everyday wake up and have to wobble and stay on the bottom of her cage to relax and soothe her foot.
Posted By: GreyDrakkon Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/30/08 01:18 AM
That swollen foot might have been an infection which could have been easily treated by the vet with medicine. She wound up living all that time with the foot injury in massive pain, but it was inconvenient to try to get her to a vet, and you've made excuses why it wouldn't have worked. The thing is, you just won't know if she would have made it with a vet's help, if you actually tried getting her there. My advice? Don't ever buy another pet, because they DO get injured, and you'll probably make excuses as to why you shouldn't get them help.

Sound cold of me? I think it was far colder to let that animal suffer all that time.
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/30/08 03:47 PM
OK look. I had her for about 6 days and i only noticed it like the 4th day so don't tell me not to get another pet because it was my moms decision. I wanted to get her to a vett i seriously did but my mom said that she wouldn't waste money on a pet and i told her it wasn't wasting any money it would save her. And in my opinion i can do wat ever i want because i saved about 7 birds already. So Some of them can't all be treated and some can. MAybe we don't have the money ever thought about that and trust me if you knew me which none of you do then you would know that i would do anything to save or help and animal.
Posted By: GreyDrakkon Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/30/08 05:40 PM
Then wait to get a pet when you live on your own, since your mom obviously doesn't share your views.
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/30/08 06:12 PM
Don't tell me wat to do because at the moment i have 2 budgies on quarateen 1 quaker 3 finches 2 african greys a dog and 7 fish in rescue
Posted By: GreyDrakkon Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/30/08 06:37 PM
Hey, that you're getting all defensive only shows that you KNOW something is wrong. Sure, you may be helping some of those animals, but if you went to an animal shelter that said "Hey, we rescue these animals, and as long as they're healthy they're fine, but if they get sick/hurt then we just let them suffer until they die." Anyone would think that is not o.k., and they'd be shut down pronto. An animal would be better off being put to sleep than suffering through agony. If you can't provide them either medical care of a quick end, then you shouldn't care for them. If my cat were gravely hurt, I'd bring him to a vet, even if I'm short of money. You can ALWAYS find a way, even if it's an uncomfortable way.
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/30/08 08:19 PM
Ok look. We do our best to save these animals. 7 have already been put down after neglect and torture so if you do not know how much we try and help then don't speak
Posted By: GreyDrakkon Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/31/08 05:33 AM
I think YOU need to look. You post here about a bird that was wounded while in your care, that wound up with an inflamed appendage and that you didn't relieve it's pain by either taking it to a vet, or having it put down so it winds up dying a slow painful death. YOU have to take responsibility for that bird, it WAS in your care and you did NOT tend for it appropriately. You can't get ticked off with me for telling you the truth about this situation. Have you saved other birds? I don't know. What I DO know is what happened to THIS bird.
Posted By: Skeeter Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/31/08 05:52 AM
If your family is so big on rescuing animals...then why not helping them when they are in pain? What's the point of trying to help animals if, in the long run, you won't help them when they need it most? Sounds like you really enjoy having pets (and may even love them) but don't really care about their health...Selfish really.
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 03/31/08 03:04 PM
i wasn't selfish and we only noticed it about 2 days before she died and the avian vet is out on a house call for the next 4 days so i cant really fnd one around us
Posted By: Vi - Blogs/Small Office Re: AGHH! Help Please - 04/01/08 03:34 AM
Cherish,

I don't know how old you are, but the way you posted here sounds as if you need to remember that you were looking for advice and that you have a lot to learn about caring for animals if it is your intent to rescue them. Please read further as this is not an attack.

If you are going to help birds (or other animals) then you better read all the books you can on pet care. Birds in particular as they are an exotic pet and when they show signs of illness they need immediate attention because their health can decline rapidly.

I fully understand not being able to get to a vet soon enough but there are still things you can do to care for birds in various situations.

Have you personally ever been to an avian vet and are you aware of a birds dietary and health needs? Are you aware of toxins that are harmful to your birds? Do you own a heat lamp? Do you have a first aid kit specifically for birds? Do you know how to properly clip a birds wings, nails and beak if necessary? Can you pull out a broken blood feather so a bird does not bleed to death? Do you know how to quaranteen a sick bird so they are free from stress?

Get a subscription to Bird Talk if you don't have one already, read all you can, find bird shows to go to or mail order to get the proper equipment. There are many great books and this forum for advice. We would be doing you a disservice to just say "sorry your bird died".

Learn learn learn. I have been rescuing birds for about 15 years...on temporary hiatus to raise kids so I just have our two conures right now. They are not like cats and dogs and need to be treated as such. Whether they are a $13 parakeet, a free bird from a shelter, or a $400 - $1000 or so parrot, they deserve the same care.

I can't tell you how many of the birds I rescued were actually rescued from well-meaning people like yourself. They thought they could care for a pet bird that they found lost and tried to keep it. One bird I still have has no feathers all over her body because they kept her in a basement with another parakete because she was a loud conure and disruptive to someone in the house who was a student. This bird was literally driven to mutalate itself so that no feathers grow on her body.

I wish you the best in your endeavor. If you are not able to care for the pets financially or take the time to learn how to care for them properly than you should do the honorable thing and give them to families that can until you are able to afford it after learning all there is to learn.



Posted By: Skeeter Re: AGHH! Help Please - 04/01/08 06:17 AM
"My mom said it would be no use to bring her to the vet"

Well it's good to know that your family doesn't really care about pets.


"Its ok. She was like only 3-4 months old."

And it's also good to know that it's ok if they die, as long as they are still young.


"Ok i couldn't get her into the travelling cage to bring her to the vet."

You couldn't get a bird the size of your fist (who was injured) into a cage...We will call this pathetic excuse #1


"Don't tell me wat to do because at the moment i have 2 budgies on quarateen 1 quaker 3 finches 2 african greys a dog and 7 fish in rescue "

Well I hope none of them ever get sick...since that's pretty much a death sentence


"7 have already been put down after neglect and torture"

At your house i'm guessing.


"avian vet is out on a house call for the next 4 days"

And we will call this pathetic excuse #2.


"Maybe we don't have the money ever thought about that"

If you don't have the money to care for a pet...why would you get it? Obviously you don't love it or else you wouldn't get something you can't afford to care for. You would be better off with 1 pet, than 15 that you can't take care of.



The point is, a lot of people here truly love their animals. And coming on here asking for help, and then basically just letting us know that you let your pet suffer and die in pain, is horrifying. If I wanted to know about stupid people torturing other lifeforms I would watch the news. If you want help sometime come back, but next time don't bring excuses on why you were too lazy to help your pet.

Skeeter

Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 04/01/08 05:42 PM
Thanks for the advice. I keep all birds in a bird safe room. It is warm and I am trying to find a new avian vet as my rescued quaker needs a new thing of antibiotics in a few weeks. I am aware of toxins to birds and no i do not have a first aid kit for birds at the moment as the 2 african greys needed them in the first few weeks they were here. I am aware of needs and the diet needed for birds and yes i do quaranteen birds in a non stressful enviroment.
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 04/06/08 03:34 AM
The finches, fish, budgies and quaker have all found great homes. Best part obout this is that 1.The birds have gone to a home that they will not fight for attention for and 2.They have now gauantees on them for the next year with the new avian vet i have found. The parrots will stay with me for the rest of their days as currently they are about 20 years old and will be in recovery for the next year or so as one of them has no feathers on her wings and the other female needs to gain some weight as she was left out for around 3 days on my doorstep. Thankfully she had enough food and water to last. Anyways they are doing great and i hope no one else will acuse me of not looking after this bird.
Posted By: Vi - Blogs/Small Office Re: AGHH! Help Please - 04/06/08 05:06 AM
Good for you Cherish, you'll feel less stressed about it and they will be better spread out to get individual attention.

One note about the parrot with no feathers on her wings (I think you said they were African Grays). I don't know how long she has been a plucker, but sometimes the feathers won't grow back.

The one we had rescued never grew any feathers back around her body. Sometimes they ruin the folicals. The family that had kept this bird in a basement were also smokers so that might have contributed. She went crazy when her friend a parakete that kept her company died. Since she was so loud (for attention) they finally decided to get rid of her and I friend I had who worked for a shelter called me.

Since she has a propensity to stress, either find a home where her and her companion can be together without other pets or if you are going to keep just those two birds, don't take in any more. I forget the length of life on a Grey, but it is a long time.

I have to hand it to you, that was a very nice thing to do to get a vet to work with you.

Good luck with the greys.
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 04/06/08 06:40 PM
Well Coco the plucker only started about a month before i got her. Well thats what the previous owners said. She is just starting to get tiny tiny feathers appearing so hopefully she willbe better before i bring her to the vet instead of him coming to us. Lexi the skinny one has now been put in quaranteen as she is starting to gain weight but is stealing all the food even though i have like 4 bowls of food for them. So she is in a sepearate cage with her own foos and Coco can have hers. We have a rescued dog is in the vet right now as she had to have surgery. So every one is doing good.
Posted By: Mavis Re: AGHH! Help Please - 04/06/08 08:30 PM
This is sounding promising now. smile

Although most of us would love to be able to help every animal, we have to know our own limits as to how much we can do. I'm glad you found good homes for most of them, so you can concentrate on the ones that need you the most. Hopefully the Grey's previous owner told you the truth about the plucking and now that life is more peaceful, she will grow her feathers back. smile
Posted By: CherishBudgieBaby Re: AGHH! Help Please - 04/06/08 10:25 PM
Yes now that both grey's are on a scheduale they seem much more relaxed. The rescues that have found new homes still come to me for when their owners are out and they seem relaxed alot to now that most of them are the only bird. The people that had Coco were animal abusers and that is also where I got lucky from. They had him outside night and day only getting food and water once a day. I saved him myself when they were out. He is doing better and hopefully does well recovering from sergury.
Posted By: Mabel Re: AGHH! Help Please - 04/12/09 06:09 PM
I don't know why you even came on this forum if you know so much about birds. Your budgie should have been seen by a vet. If your foot got hurt I am sure you would go to the doctor, and not pass away from that.
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