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I decided to wait and got married at an older age (38). I will be married only 2 years on the 21st of this month.
As an older newly-married couple, it is hard to change people or even get them to change old habits. Even if it is for the better of the marriage. Me and my DH promised each other something when we decided to marry. I promised him that when the economy got better, we would sell my house and move closer to where he works so the commute is less timely (he drives over and hour one way). He promised me that he would work less and spend more time at home once we were married (while single, work is mostly what ya do). He has not kept his side of the bargain and is still resistant to change.
When we were dating, he worked 2 jobs. When overtime kicked in, it was 7 days a week with close to 70 hours. His idea of lessening his hours is instead of working 4 days a week at his part time job, he now works 3. I never see him and we are like ships in the night. The nights he works his 2nd job, he comes home after midnight and I NEVER see him. Weekends he works overtime and I might see him for 3-4 hours before we go to bed. Neither one of us has extended family so keeping my self "busy" or doing family stuff is non-existant. We are also child-free.
I met up with an old male friend of mine last night. My husband knew about it and told me to have a good time. I also sometimes meet other male friends of mine for an innocent lunch. Some are married, some are single and some are in relationships. The one male friend I met last night I have known for over 22 years. We met at a bowling alley where he is on a league and I had a BLAST! We talked, laughed and brought up the good ol' days when both of us bowled together on the same league. We were an item years ago and I ended the relationship with the above male friend after we kept going in circles. I wanted marriage and it seemed he was going to be a lifelong batchelor.
Last night was one of the best times I have had on a looooong time! I actually felt...hmmm...human? My DH works so many hours that he is so tired we cannot do anything together. And if we do, he ends up falling asleep at the table if we are playing cards or falls asleep in the movie theatre. I do not feel guilty for going out and having a good time with this male friend either and I would like to do it again.
So, what is your input of married females having married/attached or single male friends to do things with? Wether it's an email or a phone call or going out for lunch or even doing some kind of activity together?
~~BETTER TO BE DISLIKED FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE THEN LOVED FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE NOT~~
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Hi StormChaser:
Just be careful of being tempted when you are weak.
Alot of folks did not mean to cheat on their husband/boyfriend, but do and end up regretting.
Not one to tell other folks how to manage their affairs, but you did ask - I would suggest sitting down with him and making some decisions.
Either you BOTH get something out of the relationship, or it is time to make other arrangements the correct way.
My concern here is that you mentioned the male friend did not want "marriage" and that is why you ended up with your present man.
Has this changed?
Or is he the SAME person you dated in the past?
Are you willing to accept him never wanting to get married?
If not, don't waste your time or emotions living in an "escape" world, which it is, an "escape" from not having your other half in your life the way you want.
Sometimes it takes compromise and I am not saying working should be an excuse to not be there for the partner in your relationship - but maybe discuss why he needs to be working so many hours and jobs?
Finances?
By the way, again not one to meddle - but do you work?
If not, maybe you could locate a source on income that may relieve the burden on him if that is the reason for working so hard. If it is not, and he is a workoholic - counseling may offer some options.
I am hoping Lori visits soon as I know she will have some AWESOME feedback for you. She really cares...
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Hi all. There are a lot of things to consider, but first ask yourself, Stormchaser, if you would have just as great a time if it were a female friend you were bowling with.
Is it male attention you are needing and wanting? Or just something to do with any wakeful friend? You mention that you meet up with other male friends but do you have same sex friends as well?
It's important to be honest with yourself about your feelings for these male friends. I get the feeling you are seeking to fill a void in your intimate relationship with your husband. That makes a big difference when you're maintaining opposite sex friendships.
I have opposite sex friendships. I've known one friend for 36 years. But neither of us sees each other as romantic partner material. We never have. And I am fulfilled in my marriage.
You have a sexual history with this guy, and your marital relationship is lacking. It's just dangerous territory. Tread carefully. A guy like your friend (who wants to be a lifelong bachelor) will find you very attractive because you are already "attached" to someone else and won't pester him to get married. A friendship with benefits. My husband's input is that men are not like women. A man doesn't need intimacy to have sex with a woman and typically, if given the chance, he would have casual sex with a female friend unless she was wholly unattractive to him. I don't know if this is true for all men because I know men with more integrity than that, but you can bet I really discourage him from having opposite sex friendships!
Anyway, seeking outside opposite sex friendships is not a good way to fulfill your needs. Fix your marriage first. If all is well at home, then friends of any gender will pose no threat.
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Amoeba
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Yes, I am hoping that other board members "chime in" and and give me some advice and feedback. To answer some of the questions you posted; You asked: My concern here is that you mentioned the male friend did not want "marriage" and that is why you ended up with your present man. Has this changed? NO IT HASN'TOr is he the SAME person you dated in the past? THE SAMEAre you willing to accept him never wanting to get married? NO, BUT I AM ALSO NOT LOOKING TO LEAVE MY HUSBAND Do you work? YES, I do work about 6-7 hours a day on a split shift. I work the AM, have about 3-4 hours to do my shopping, errands, etc. and then I go back to work until about dinner time. I work with children and have very little "adult conversation". I look forward to getting together with a male friend once in a while for lunch to shoot the breeze.You mention something about wasting my time in an "escape" world. I think we all need an escape once in a while and I do not think of it as a waste. A waste to me is sitting at home after a day of work in front of the computer or tv until bedtime with no social activity whatsoever. This is what has been going on and I need to so-called "get out" once in a while wether it is with my DH or not. My DH was married before and it only lasted 2 1/2 yrs. His ex-wife ended up being a criminal and he never knew it. He found out when she stole merchandise from her employer while they were married and thats when he found out she had a history of this. Of course, she was fired and afterwards, used her stealing as an excuse as to why she could not find a job. She then became a "bum" and started compulsive shopping causing financial ruin on both of them. That is where my DH started working 2 jobs just to survive and finally ended up divorcing her. My DH still works 2 jobs and I think maybe it is a security blanket. Not only for "us" but also for him because of what he went through in the past. He wants us to live comfortably and not struggle. If we need the money for an emergency or anything else, it will be there. He feels satisfied in his life because he is doing what a man is suppose to do (work, take care of certain things and feels a sense of accomplishment). On the other hand, on my end as a woman, I feel no satisfaction whatsoever. Me and my DH sit down to a dinner together ONCE A WEEK, I clean the house to make it look nice but then there is no one to appreciate it, etc. Women need to feel needed and show their love and caring through acts of kindness (cooking a nice meal, taking someone to the store or visiting your in-laws). I have never met my in-laws and probably never will. My DH was considered an outcast when he left the family home to start his new life after his divorce and both of my parents died of cancer when I was in my late 20's. So, what it comes down to is that I am lonely!!! 
~~BETTER TO BE DISLIKED FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE THEN LOVED FOR BEING WHO YOU ARE NOT~~
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Hi Lori:
As usual, you have some helpful information.
I am so glad to see that another female is like me, I am so not into my man hanging out with the so-called female friends. At age 53, I have gone down that route and got major hurt by a then boyfriend and friend. Then they both wondered why, although I said I did not hate them, I no longer felt comfortable around them and did not want anything to do with them both.
Bottom line, we all have to figure out what the consequences of our actions/words will be and if we are willing to accept these consequences.
Thanks for giving the male side of things - glad your husband is willing to contribute. Yes, your explanation about how a man thinks really makes sense.Hi all. There are a lot of things to consider, but first ask yourself, Stormchaser, if you would have just as great a time if it were a female friend you were bowling with.
Is it male attention you are needing and wanting? Or just something to do with any wakeful friend? You mention that you meet up with other male friends but do you have same sex friends as well?
It's important to be honest with yourself about your feelings for these male friends. I get the feeling you are seeking to fill a void in your intimate relationship with your husband. That makes a big difference when you're maintaining opposite sex friendships.
I have opposite sex friendships. I've known one friend for 36 years. But neither of us sees each other as romantic partner material. We never have. And I am fulfilled in my marriage.
You have a sexual history with this guy, and your marital relationship is lacking. It's just dangerous territory. Tread carefully. A guy like your friend (who wants to be a lifelong bachelor) will find you very attractive because you are already "attached" to someone else and won't pester him to get married. A friendship with benefits. My husband's input is that men are not like women. A man doesn't need intimacy to have sex with a woman and typically, if given the chance, he would have casual sex with a female friend unless she was wholly unattractive to him. I don't know if this is true for all men because I know men with more integrity than that, but you can bet I really discourage him from having opposite sex friendships!
Anyway, seeking outside opposite sex friendships is not a good way to fulfill your needs. Fix your marriage first. If all is well at home, then friends of any gender will pose no threat.
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Hi StormChaser:
It is NEVER easy being in the situation you are in and I pray you do what is right for you. With me, I have learn't to keep myself BUSY during those times when he is busy so as not to feel resentful or be tempted to go elsewhere for the attention I crave.
I am sorry to hear about your family situation. The sad part is that I would love to be in your shoes as I am so over his family "dropping by" at all hours of the night/morning and interrupting our "intimate" times...
But he is finally getting to a point at age 57 and realizing that while I do not mind his family, I would rather he go see THEM when possible - reducing the "drive by" let us stop in routine. This worked when I was not living with him, but now it is not going to fly.
We are here for you - so stop by when you need to talk, share or just need to know we care.Yes, I am hoping that other board members "chime in" and and give me some advice and feedback. To answer some of the questions you posted; You asked: My concern here is that you mentioned the male friend did not want "marriage" and that is why you ended up with your present man. Has this changed? NO IT HASN'TOr is he the SAME person you dated in the past? THE SAMEAre you willing to accept him never wanting to get married? NO, BUT I AM ALSO NOT LOOKING TO LEAVE MY HUSBAND Do you work? YES, I do work about 6-7 hours a day on a split shift. I work the AM, have about 3-4 hours to do my shopping, errands, etc. and then I go back to work until about dinner time. I work with children and have very little "adult conversation". I look forward to getting together with a male friend once in a while for lunch to shoot the breeze.You mention something about wasting my time in an "escape" world. I think we all need an escape once in a while and I do not think of it as a waste. A waste to me is sitting at home after a day of work in front of the computer or tv until bedtime with no social activity whatsoever. This is what has been going on and I need to so-called "get out" once in a while wether it is with my DH or not. My DH was married before and it only lasted 2 1/2 yrs. His ex-wife ended up being a criminal and he never knew it. He found out when she stole merchandise from her employer while they were married and thats when he found out she had a history of this. Of course, she was fired and afterwards, used her stealing as an excuse as to why she could not find a job. She then became a "bum" and started compulsive shopping causing financial ruin on both of them. That is where my DH started working 2 jobs just to survive and finally ended up divorcing her. My DH still works 2 jobs and I think maybe it is a security blanket. Not only for "us" but also for him because of what he went through in the past. He wants us to live comfortably and not struggle. If we need the money for an emergency or anything else, it will be there. He feels satisfied in his life because he is doing what a man is suppose to do (work, take care of certain things and feels a sense of accomplishment). On the other hand, on my end as a woman, I feel no satisfaction whatsoever. Me and my DH sit down to a dinner together ONCE A WEEK, I clean the house to make it look nice but then there is no one to appreciate it, etc. Women need to feel needed and show their love and caring through acts of kindness (cooking a nice meal, taking someone to the store or visiting your in-laws). I have never met my in-laws and probably never will. My DH was considered an outcast when he left the family home to start his new life after his divorce and both of my parents died of cancer when I was in my late 20's. So, what it comes down to is that I am lonely!!!
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You said it straight out: You're lonely. Who wouldn't be if in your shoes?
Everyone needs time and attention from his or her spouse. Otherwise, what's the point of being married?
You crave attention, and you aren't getting it from your husband despite your best efforts to convince him of your needs. Whether or not you realize it, you will seek it out elsewhere. It's only natural. Emotional and intimate fulfillment is a basic need. Your husband is making a big mistake in failing to recognize this.
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Hi Lori:
My challenge is not getting too "needy"...
Finding that "healthy" balance has ALWAYS been a goal I have had since turning 53 this year.
Any tips on doing this?
Bottom line, as Joel Osteen (pastor) said - he cannot be ALL that Victoria wants and needs. But as you stated, there are certain needs and wants that should be met in any relationship.
Talk SOON!
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Something that has been true over time: friendships remain even if husbands do not. I am still friends with my male friend, even though the husband is leaving.
I will probably always be friends with my male friend, unless he gets a wife someday that puts the kibosh on it.
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Relationships are hard to survive..hmm.
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