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good points you raised the other day eleise, and its all coming true, i expect looting etc to go on over here before long, its ok for the rich, but there are some needy people being ignored help all over the world. this government we have would turn our troops on us if we rioted, they done it years ago to the miners.

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I suspect or feel, there's a strong possiblity for that to happen over in Egypt regardless how the media is spinning the uprising.

The feeling I'm getting, I know that gov't has been turned over to the military, but what I feel is that they'll remain until this other thing slides in and it's possible this muslim brotherhood thingy, i'm cautious/apprehensive about what Egypts dictator will be replaced with.

It feels as if someone is hoping or trying to get some form or group or person having connection w/this brotherhood to take over.

People will never conform to what this brotherhood is trying to do and their dangers feel as if they are being played down. These people feel ike finaticals/lunatics that really feel they will take over the world.

This correlates with the post I wrote about African Americans having a window of about 10 years that favor their efforts. They were 6 years into their 10 when I posted that. What they do w/those ten years will be where they stay, regarless of what they feel about an endless payback for what their ancestors went through.

Plain and simple it will never be enough, and end up continuing as a "victim" race. The people who actually do something with those window years will be the successors, the peole still complaining will fall the hardest.

I posted that they will be "replaced" meaning focused on, with a more "significant" race, meaning important to the gov. African American will be utilized for votes. It's the worst type of exploitation, because they will be "humored" to get those votes.

The more significant race that moves in and is sliding in and has been comes from the East. This race is somehow pivitol to this Gov'ts agenda. They will have the greatest pull, why? Because they will be producers as well as have a staple this country will utilize as well.

You asked awhile back of some of the things I had been shown when I was in the hospital. Well, lol. There you go wink

I had a recap of a dream theother night. I'm waiting for feedback from someone in the military. If it's o.k. w/them, then I'll post it later. I was sleepwalking through it.


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There is a commonality between Wisconsin, Michigan, Illinois and possibly Minnesota (not sure about MN), and I'm certain to raise some ire with this, but here goes.

Labor Unions are the connection on the source of much fuel for the demonstrations in Madison. These are all heavily unionized states.

At the start of the Industrial Revolution back in the 1800's and well into the 1900's, workers experienced inhumane treatment, extreme safety hazards and downright exploitation. Women and children were not excluded and probably treated worse. Work animals were considered more valuable. There was always a line of workers to replace someone hurt or killed. A mule had to be purchased. Unions were a solution to this dire situation and allowed workers to affect changes within their industry. With the production boom experienced after WWII, the Unions grew at an exorbitant rate in both resources and power.

I think many would agree that power began corrupting a few years later in the 60's. With high percentage of membership, unions could shut a plant or mill down in hours. They had corporations in a vise grip and knew it. With each contract negotiation, benefit packages and salaries increased. State and Federal government allowed their employees to unionize and the power, resources and influence of the unions increased even more.

Through the next 3 decades the US experienced several recessions, and a dramatic increase in foreign competition and imports. The Rust Belt was created with closed factories across the North and Midwest states. While Southern corporations and governments agressively opposed unions for many years, they did succumb. Textile mills and other business were eventually forced to close as high wages and benefits eliminated the profit margin for things made in the USA.

Why? If a product cannot be produced at an affordable and competitive price, it won't sell. With high wages and benefit package liabilities, our companies could not compete with cheaper imports.

Now we're in the new millenium and people are living much longer into their retirement. Those high wages and benefit packages which were "collectively bargained" (I would use blackmailed) over the past few decades have now become unsustainable for both corporations and governments.

Simply put, there's not enough money coming in to cover the pensions, payroll, benefits and operations. There have to be cuts and they will need to be deep, painful ones.

It's particularly bad within governments. They don't produce, their only source of revenue is our tax dollars. Their payrolls have swelled in number of employees and salaries, some significantly higher than average for the area or inflation adjustments.

Despite massive lay-offs in the past few decades, the unions have been consistent, reliable and large contributors to political campaigns. It is estimated their combined contributions during the 2008 election year was $500 Million.

How many laid-off union members could have been helped with $500 million in assistance over the past 3 years?

Helping workers may have been the original intent. However, I think grabbing "as much as we can to keep those union dues coming in so we can get our 'friends' elected" might be the new intent. I fear Wisconsin is just the beginning.



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Before our living arrangements now, like right before, my huband and I were on the road or OTR (trucking). We went from N-S E-W and everything in between. We did flatbedding, which really takes expertise in securing because your 100,000 lb load can go wrong anywhere.

Some factories worked well. They were usually those with Hispanic workers or good ol' fashioned American workers that took pride in their company. Boy were they efficient!

Union factories or those in Cleveland, they didn't care how much time your company wasted while they sat there playing cards, smoking or putzing around. Legs on the desks, snickering, and cocky attitudes, "We're on break!"

Hours? Really?

Oh well, your companies folded didn't they? Out of work, they live off of a lump fund or like insurance.

More and more companies will go out of business and somehow they've, Union heads have been promised a place in the govt. just a feeling.

Along with Unions, though there's Muslim stuff. The riots, yes, starting I posted initially about Egypt but felt we'd see them popping up all over and hadn't associated it w/muslim bortherhood. Hadn't even heard of them.

Now as ignorant, which really doesn't bother me, that I may seem world wide, I kind of need that to check my "stuff" so I dont' study other countries.

But the other day I was walking around the house going Ba-rainn...Ra-rrrrrain and teasing my husband/giggling. My husband watches things like "Archer" (which I really like, actually) and "Aqua Teen Hunger Force" eh, hit or miss, but I asked what cartoon was Baraiin or Ra-rain. He had no clue.

Anyway, the first channel I flip on tonight, CNN was featuring peaceful demonstrations in Bahrain and some were gunned down in cold blood. The feeling was like Tiananmen square??

This Brother-Hood thingy bad, like it feels like communism. The features of riots, they seems to or will have a common denominator, like a Muslim background or common religion.

So, as a US citizen, you'll be granted viewing of these things and you'll be...oh what's that word, Skeylaw was just talking about it, in movie theaters, sublimal!

Really what it is, is "conditioning"

So you, the viewers, though this muslim group thing holds potential threat, will be conditioned to empathise, like pavlovs dog. You won't really know what it's about, but eventually they'll bring a name to the surface. American...you need to repent...get it?

If you manage to get past the "conditioning" you'll then be criticized for "speaking" or saying it incorrectly, without respect, without finesse or generalizing.

However, if you watch closely, these same special interest groups aren't held accountable for their own actions or dialoge and you'll be prompted to be made guilty for even seeing that. Don't!

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Burmese, what is that?

The way things work w/me, is I get things and push them out.

They come back, I may or may not push them out, it depends how much else I've got going on. Consultations, worldy concerns, physical stuff like paying bills or moving, etc. You do it to simply to stay sane.

Burmese - I don't have any physical knowlege of this but for the past few nights I've woken from a dream with that word. The only way I know it (physically) is from a scene from Sixth Sense, when some "chickety" wants a Burmese saphire to make her happy and pouts when her fiance is hesitent.

LCP do you know anything? In the dreams it seems to tie in w/gov't or movement or uprising or I just don't know, but if I post it, lol, then maybe it will go away?

I always thought we had a democracy?

My husband told me democracy is code for socialism or comunism.

Tonight he told me what we have, currently, is a republic? Which people confuse with Republican? Huh? He just spewed we are in the throws of losing the reuplic because our gov't is pushing for Democracy???

There's more but it would just waste people's time in reading it and is spinning my head even thinking about it. And this is Sun. Right? Help!


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The military junta ruling Burma since the 1960's has changed the country's name several times. It's now referred to as Myanmar. This is a tiny country in the little corner which connects China, Thailand, Laos, India and Bangladesh. It's predominantly Bhuddist, but governed by a militaristic/socialist government and one of the most impoverished countries in the world.

The leadership there is extremely isolationist. It's very hard to even get in to visit. After a devasting cyclone in 2008 which killed at least 200,000 the government refused to allow aid in for days. My nephew was on one of our Navy ships which responded to assist. They weren't allowed to do much of anything.

Due to its proximity to so many countries and cultures, Myanmar had a very diverse population. From the mid 1800's until 1937, it was a province of British India. In the 1970's, ethnic minorities were persecuted to the point hundreds of thousands fled to Bangladesh, including many, if not most Muslims. For decades the Burmese people have been subjected to forced labor by the military and in 2006 charges for Crimes against Humanity were raised with the International Criminal Court.

In the 1970's and 80's they did have large protests against the government. Thousands were killed in 1988, and another uprising occurred in 2007. A special thanks to Wikipedia tonight:)

I have no idea why the word "Burmese" has been popping up. The only reference I've heard lately is a regional issue with a population explosion of Burmese Pythons pretty much all over FL. They thrive in the Everglades, swamps, and river basins. Removal programs have been active for several years. A little closer to our home, there is concern for them spreading to the Okeefenokee Swamp, which is on the FL/GA border and within 50 miles of us.

Hopefully something in this jumbled mess of information will click for you. I did not know of the numerous protests over the years in the country, and that could be the connection. I certainly hope it's NOT the pythons!



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Wow...you're, just wow! Thank you.

For whatever reason, I do well w/Dick and Jane versions.
Like I could try to read something, but I'd get through one sentence and have to re-read it all over agian and try to connect it to the next sentence.

Just one word stuck out in corelation to Burmese. Socialism? That's it. If they're so isolated I can't see how that's really something that would play in to today? The other thing was:

Learning from, like a past thing? We're new, (this is just feelings) but a lesson? I still don't know.

Last night I thought my husband was on crutches, again, I was sitting up in bed. I haven't slept walked since the 3 angels things in the corner of the house my mom followed me for, and the airplane dream.

The crutches thing, was odd though because in the dream or when I was sitting up, he was puting all of his weight on one crutch, like they did in the war days.

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Glad I could help with a little Burmese info. The correlations you mention could also correlate to each other.
There has never been a large-scale socialistic society that was successful long-term. Long-term for human government isn't really that long, and for this, I'm referring to 100+ years.

Several have turned to isolationism in attempts to prevent collapse. When Bhuddist Monks start protesting, things must be really bad.

Over the past decades in America, Socialism and Communism had nothing but negative connotations. Recently, there have been attempts to "rename" and "rebrand" it. Leaders are using terms such as "Social Justice" and "Social Equality." One can change the description to make it sound more appealing, but it does not change the ideals and tenets of Socialism or Communism. The word "fair" is also often used in these flowery descriptions. If you know someone from Cuba, Russia, China, or any other of the numerous Socialist/Communist countries, ask them about Fairness, Justice and Equality. You probably won't need to ask why they left.

Our Founding Fathers knew history well and took the best government concepts and combined them to form a democratic republic with checks and balances on power. As evidenced in their personal letters, it was truly an experiment. They did not know if it would succeed, but we have made it 200+ years.

What is frightening to me is how our system has been altered over 50-60 years to include more socialistic ideals and programs. We are so very close to having the government involved in, and at least partially, in control of EVERY aspect of our lives. With subsidies, regulations, entitlement programs, the mindset needed for Socialism has been planted.

Webster defines Socialism as a system of ownership/production owned by the society/community rather than individuals, in which all members share in the work and products.

Sounds nice, doesn't it? We all work together and share in the profits. However, there are a few issues.
1. There are NO profits in government. Once government begins to expand, the momentum continues until critical mass is reached and the system implodes. Not that different from an epidemic. Profits from sales and exports of government owned production fuel the expansion. Your piece of the pie might start out nice, but it will eventually shrink, just as it has in Cuba and did in the Soviet Union.
2. Combine this with Isolationism, such as in Myanmar and exactly who are you selling to? It's not surprising they are so impoverished.
3. Would you consistently give 100% at your job, knowing your piece of the pie will not enlarge, but shrink? With little chance of advancement or improvement, workers become despondent and less productive. To sustain production, some governments resort to forced labor, such as Myanmar has.

I think Marx and Engels did not understand some important things about people. Satisfaction is fleeting and must be renewed. Doing the same job, day in, day out, with the same or shrinking reward doesn't cut it for many. Even those who agree with an entitlement based system are not willing to settle, they will want more and more. When people are held down and oppressed, they will at some point rise up and challenge their oppressors.

Humans strive for betterment. We don't accept and "settle" for status quo very well or for very long. If we can't use our innovation and ingenuity through the establishment, it will be done otherwise. Think of how large the Black Market was in the Soviet Union. Both Socialism and Communism are based on the citizenry "settling" and remaining satisfied with their piece of the pie. History provides proof of how short-lived that will be.

There are many in Europe warning American NOT to move further down the road to Socialism. They have been there, done that, and it didn't work. It's not "New" to them, they have already learned.



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For the past 10-15 yrs. with the economy being what it is, we've gone where ever we needed to, to make ends meet. The most enlightening I'd have to say is the welfare system and being on the road with my husband flatbedding (trucking).

The welfare system is broken. It rewards you for not working or if you do, work minimally, make "unclaimed" income (cash) and make babies. Being on the inside watching it all, it's like the land of OZ. Once you're in, follow the yellow brick road through the magical kingdom.

There's a young man, I just made dinner for. My husband and I have been trying to help him get on his feet. He's a hard worker, suports his family, but he's here illegally. He also needs a heart transplant but he doesn't have health insurance. If I hadn't made dinner for him, I wouldn't have known this. However, even though he doesn't have health insurance he's getting the heart transplant. He just needs to go to a different hospital. It's 45 minutes away and in the city. That told me right there that though our gov is telling people, illegal immigrants won't get american benefits, they will and actually do currently.

You mentioned that it feels the gov. is going to have a say in virtually everything about our lives. This is where I believe/feel this Heath Care Reform, thingy is going to do just that. Even without this Obama care, this man will have everything he needs, pre-operation care and post. I thought this is why we needed health care reform and he IS here illegally.

The other thing you mentioned was if you have any friends from Cuba, Soviet Union, other socialist countries, your piece of the pie might start out nice, but it shinks once everyone else is on it. BINGO!

While we were long-hauling/trucking, we hit every truck stop there was in the US and during layovers you'd talk to other drivers. Many told us they were coming to America to get away from their coutry's socialism. Many would speak broken english, but you got the jest of it.

One man said to us that neighbors would turn you in if you were anti-gov. "Rationing, long lines, poor health care not good..." He wanted to be like us.

I told him our gov. wants to be like socialists. He said:

"Then your country has forgotten and doesn't know what it has. We come here to be like you. In my country, doctors cover a bleeding with a woman's napkin."

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That does not surprise me. A dear friend's in-laws were in Cuba. They were among the last ones out through the sponsorship lottery. If you won the lottery, you could leave Cuba and move to your sponsor's country. Their reception in our little area was outstanding and truly heartwarming. But they did have to sacrifice. All of their property was to be confiscated by the government, they could only take what they could carry.

Before leaving they gifted everything they could to family and friends, including the kitchen sink. While they were in Cuba my friend sent monthly care packages with toothpaste, aspirin and anything they might could use to barter.

This all comes back to where we get our information. A few months back, there was a Hollywood movie-maker tauting how great things are in Cuba, based on his government guided tour. I have heard the story of my friend's husband. He fled Cuba with his brother, teenagers in a shotty little boat. For almost 20 years they sent every spare penny back home and finally were able to bring their parents and sister to the US. Both of these are first hand accounts. Which is the most accurate, most representative of conditions for the majority of people in Cuba?


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