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What is your opinion of writer's critique groups? I attended one where the mix of people varied greatly week to week.

Do you think it is better to attend a writers' group or to consult a professional children's author who provides a critique service?

I think I need some feedback about my stories before I send them out.

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I think crit(critique) exchange is essential both for getting feedback and for improving your own writing skills by doing crits because you see things in others works that you miss in your own and say - 'oh yeah I need to be alert for that too.'

whether you crit in person (something I have no option for on this tiny island) or individually or by group online or via one of the big online crit sites I say - do it!

The trouble with the BIG online crit groups is they also have a lot of fun and games and social chatter unrelated to critting. If you need that (or can avoid wasting time on it) then a search for online critique groups should get you a list.

I have a crit guideline I developed for critting - whether my own work of others. I could scan and send that to you. I don't know how to post a scan here - if it can even be done.
basically it suggests what to look for in things like plot, settings, characterisation, POV, dialogue, etc.

I'd be willing to consider an exchange with you to see if we might be good crit pals.

you also could look at an excellent online self-crit site at www.AutoCrit.com



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Let me congratulate you on getting your stories to the point where they are ready for feedback! That is a wonderful achievement.

You�ve asked a great question; I wish there was an easy answer.

No doubt both of these options can offer you feedback. A professional can give you a thorough analysis, but may be pricey. A writer�s group can offer you a range of viewpoints, but you run the risk of getting into a group of writers who aren�t as far along in their development as you are and the �feedback� is less than stellar.

A critique pal can work well too. I have also relied on non-writer friends to help me out from time to time and have gotten some great results.

Are your stories for children? If so, I recommend you try some of your stories out on your audience. I�ve never found a child to be anything less than truthful when it comes to feedback.

Regardless, I always try to remember this: be open to suggestions, but not obligated to them.


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Thanks for your replies! I'll check out that crit guide site!

And I have read them to kids who seem to like them a lot. But I realize that my stories lack a few of the devices that other great children's literature employs: Alliteration, repetition, etc.

I wonder if I can work some of those into my text...

But some of the stories are just fun stories. Not all good children's picture books use literary devices, do they? "Meanwhile, back at the ranch" by Trinka Hakes Noble does use the phrase "Meanwhile, back at the ranch" but that's all.

Do any of you write picture books?

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Hi,

I've had great experiences and mediocre experiences with critique groups. I write picture books as well as other children's and adult lit, and am published in fiction under a pseudonym in adult lit.

For years I was part of a critique group called The Storytellers with some truly wonderful writers and many awesome critiquers who offered helpful critiques. The time it took out of my writing, though, became too much to handle.

However, I was also in what I call "soft" critique groups where the ethos was, "If you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all." Needless to say, these groups weren't very helpful.

I've been in long-term individual critiquing exchanges, which are fabulous if you can find them. You find one person who shares your vision--a writer is best, though a reader is great if he or she can tell you exactly what's working and what's not (general comments like "I really liked it!" or "I didn't like that character!" are not as helpful) and you develop a great dynamic.

As for the big critiquing communities, I found the quality varies enormously. For the time output in returning critiques, it stopped being worth it for me.

On the other hand, when you do any critiquing at all, you are bound to learn things about your writing, and learn them faster than you would if you were just looking at your own work. That's because the critiquer may not know what's wrong with the piece, or why, but she or he knows something's wrong. Quite often, at the very least it's a heads-up that something needs work.

Lori, you said: "And I have read them to kids who seem to like them a lot. But I realize that my stories lack a few of the devices that other great children's literature employs: Alliteration, repetition, etc."

In itself, this is not a problem. There are no, absolutely no rules in fiction that can't be broken. There are no "must includes" in children's lit. If your reader doesn't know what he's missing because your story is so enthralling, then you've done your job.


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Ah! I forgot to say, in the Fiction Writing forum, I'm having a contest to offer a free critique of a hook to the first person who responds to the thread. If you're interested, read the description of the contest and then reply!

Cheers!

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Good points, Karen, I'll check out your blog!

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Hi Lori! The blog in my sig is not so much a personal blog. It's my business. I changed it in my sig to offer the contest. My personal blog is www.nerdwriter.blogspot.com. That's where I write about writing and my infant, who is at this very moment demanding to be picked up...

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Good discussion everyone. I'd be interested in hearing what you think of this week's article What You Can Learn From Writing Picture Books. With limited space it touches on how complex picture book writing can be. There is always more to say, however.

If you have some additonal comments on the challenges that face picture book writers it would be helpful to hear about them.

Also if you have recommendations about "must" reads, please post them here in the forum.

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For those of you who write for children and live in the Cecil County/Kent County/New Castle County areas of Maryland and Delaware, my critique group has openings for two new members. This is not an online group, we meet in person-period. If you'd be interested in joining us, you can send me a note outlining your goals, current writing project and publishing credits in the children's writing arena.

On the subject of critique groups, it's trial and error before you find one that fits. Make sure the members want constructive criticism and not pats on the back!

As for reading your work to children to get critiques, I don't believe that is the best option out there. Number one, editors will tell you point blank that they don't want to hear how your kids/classroom/scout troop love your story. Editors look at your manuscript with one question in mind--will parents pay ten bucks to buy this? (This comes from an editor's lecture at a SCBWI conference) Number two, kids love to be read to and their tastes are not that discriminatory. They know if they like or dislike a story, but they aren't going to be able to give you the same suggestions a seasoned writer will. Good luck in finding a group that fits!


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