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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: Chelle - Marriage Editor] #468710
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Jase, no problem there. Thank you for providing that info. Much appreciated.

Re: what a sad day for America [Re: bahrain] #468712
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Right. Hilary would have played the Gender Card. Come to think of it, Palin actually did. She called herself a Soccer Mom. Not a Soccer Parent. smile

McCain played the War Hero Card. You use what you got.

It's all part of politics, as Michelle said. I honestly can't hold it against anyone.

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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: Jilly] #468751
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I just saw this thread, and all I can say is, wow, the smear machine (and I honestly don't blame the McCain campaign for this, as I doubt he had any control over it -- though they did only a little late in the campaign to quell some of the worst of the falsehoods floating around out there.)

The candidate that was not born on American soil (though still is an American citizen from birth) was McCain.

And the idea that Barack Obama was an assumed name? That boggles the mind. Why on earth would someone aspiring to be president choose a name that would make his journey that much more difficult?

I think he brings a calm intelligence that has the potential to help the country. We will all see how he uses that in the coming years.


Re: what a sad day for America [Re: bahrain] #468971
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Originally Posted By: bahrain

Plus you can't deny the fact that he used his race to his advantage to sway votes. Basically saying in front of one minority, he would claim to be one thing and in front of another, claim to be another.


This confused me. I saw President-elect Obama on a national debate talk about his white family AND his black family. I'm pretty certain that those debates aren't segregated. He may target his message to the audience at hand, but that's just politics as usual. Actually, that's *marketing* as usual and that's what a great deal of campaigning is.


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It was at the end of the primaries. Barack gave three or four speeches on the same day. And they went something like this-

"We know what kind of a campaign they are going to run. They are going to try to make you afraid. They are going to try to make you afraid of me. (laughter) He's young (uh) and inexperienced and (uuuh)he has a funny name. Did I mention he's black?" (cheering)"

That was his first stump speech in the General Election and it was calling Republicans racists before the Republicans even had a chance to say anything. This was before his campaign called Republicans racist for suggesting he was as relavent to foreign policy as Paris Hilton. It was before his campaign called Republicans Racists for connecting Franklin Raines (one of the former CEO's who helped mismanage and loot Fannie Mae for Billions on its way downhill) to Obama through a Washington Post article that connected Franklin Raines to Obama.

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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: whoisjohngalt] #469019
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It was a great day for America when a brilliant, compassionate man named Barack Obama was elected President, by popular vote as well as through the electoral college.

John McCain gave Barack Obama a good character reference during the election campaign and pledged his support and admiration in his concession speech.

This is the Republican forum, and we have a Republican President, George W. Bush. Government has grown huge in the past 8 years, we have an astounding budget deficit and an economic crisis that is mind-boggling to economic experts. Why waste time complaining about the election when we have the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, a crisis in education, people losing their jobs, homes, savings and retirement when *most* of them have worked hard and lived responsibly all their lives?

Republicans are so much better than this. Where are the voices who can re-establish conservative values rather than prattle on about off-beat campaign stories? Fiscal responsibility, moderate government interference, and free enterprise cannot be of so little interest. Republicans in my community are working on neighborhood challenges and supporting businesses in crisis. Tapping out anti-Obama messages from the comfort of your keyboard is not that impressive. Where are the real Republicans who helped build our country up and who support the government elected by we, the people?

It's a sad day that this kind of irrelevant dog poop is cluttering up Republican discussion groups. No wonder so many Republicans voted for Barack Obama. His message was directed at the middle class and small business. They certainly were listening - everyone else was talking about him, and he was talking about us.

Republicans must do better than this.

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Nobody was listening to him, that is the problem. Nobody wants to see him for what he is. I don't just pick out smeres from some ananymous blog. I am taking these politicians at there own words. I put the links in there and do the research so that you can check it out for yourself.

There is not one issue that I agree with with Obama, nor has there been anyone- and I mean anyone- who could tell me what he has accomplished that would signify that he is capable, ready, or deserving of the White House.

He hasn't passed a meaningful piece of legislation and he obviously hasn't done anything meaningful in the South Side of Chicago (if you visit there, you will find out why I say that). He doesn't even qualify for a level one government security pass.

It was racist and nit-picking to say anything about Obama during the election, and now that it is over, we are all supposed to ralley behind him. I won't do it.

I was frustrated during the last eight years of watching movies and books about the assassination of GW. I watched the media bash him and say he was stupid at every turn. I watched the Congress try to ensure defeat in Iraq. I watched a Senator bring forth impeachment charges every other month (not because he thought it would work, but because he thought it would make the president look bad). I have watched the media create scandals such as Scooter Libby and the Attorney General firings. I have even heard liberal talk show hosts guarantee riots if Obama does not win. Where was the unity back then? Just before November 4th.

Now because a liberal is in the White House- and not just any liberal- the most liberal in all of Congress. With criminal and domestic terrorist ties. With racism as a part of his character.

Can't do it. If this makes me a hate monger- so be it but I cannot support this man any more than I could support Putin, Chavez, or Castro if they were to make it to the presidency.

My previous post was in response to Barbara where she did not see him changing his message according to the audience. I was merely pointing out that his message to a mostly black audience was "x" What he said on a national level was "y."

I could also point out that he promised a Jewish audience that the Gaza Strip should maintain its sovereignty. The very next day, in another speech, he said that he would support the Gaza Strip being divided.

Same guy- two different promises based on what audience he was talking to.

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And why is he compassionate? What did he do that gave him that title? His brother is living on $12 a year while his aunt is living in a slum. He is a multi-millionaire. What has he ever done that was compassionate?

Where does his brilliance come from? Why does he get that free title? He wrote a book, but then, so did Jeff Foxworthy.

I am a small business. I listened to what he said and not how he said it. His words Guarenteed that my taxes would go up. That is a campaign promise.

Plus, I don't see how any of this is irrellavent. It is proof of his character. It is a way to gauge what kind of a man was actually behind the pretty speeches and the soft interviews. Based on the election results, a majority of the country still does not know who they elected.

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You are right, however, Pam. There are better things that I could be putting my time towards and pointing out Obama's flaws do not really help the country move forward.

I have never been so emotional and frustrated in my entire life. I hope we put forth a Conservative in 2012. (A Romney/Palin or Palin/Romney ticket would be ideal in my book)

I guess I am just hoping that the Democrat party would start looking at who they are electing and realize that they could be doing a heck of a lot better with their choices as the leaders they are electing could not possibly represent them. There could not be that many socialists in this country. I just don't buy it.

Where most people have hobbies like sports, cooking, T.V., bird-watching- whatever, I follow politics. I have several notebooks full of quotes, decisions, comments, what have you from many elected officials. Most of it would shock the average citizen and they would not believe that politicians are saying these things in America.

For example, what elected politician said this about Barack Obama,

"I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice looking guy. I mean, that's a storybook, man."

Pop that into Google. Youtube if you want to listen to it directly from the speaker. (Once again, the politician did not know he was being recorded)

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Re: what a sad day for America [Re: whoisjohngalt] #469037
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This is a very sad day for America, my father is fuming from his grave. He served in the Korean War and fought against having this type of government, socialism, for nothing. My own daughter, who calls herself a Constitutionalist, NOT, voted for Obama. It broke my heart. My greedy sisters and brothers voted for him; I have no idea what I am going to do this Thanksgiving. Everyone has their hands out!! How lazy.. Also, our education system, by not educating about our country's history and not teaching economics, is causing history to repeat itself, (the Carter years), and our country is going to suffer greatly.

I have to also give the fault for the outcome of this election to the liberal Republicans. They caused this to happen as it looked as if there is no difference between the Republicans an Democrats. There isn't any difference. I am hoping for a disgust so great that another party shows up; the Conservative Party.

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