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I'm replying to the earliest post on the economy/election. I couldn't put my finger on the tax situation. I sensed Obama gets elected, but the economy does not correct itself but for some hi's and low's before it pumels.

The tax I couldn't explain had to do with why people in the 40's + see's tax hikes, why the housing industry becomes expensive even in a down market and Obama saying, "Now is the time to pull together...blah, blah..."

The increases are almost presented as dutiful. Like he talks everyone into, this is the right thing to do. This is outside of the "welfare" programs, which just are to be. Their lives don't get better, like they think, there are just more programs available - the money doesn't go to them like they think it will. Not at all. little stipens - that's it.

Imputent taxes on the housing, though. I couldn't explain, why even if you owned your home, it would be expensive. Though Ob ama dosn't come right out and say, $40 + will see a minor increase, he taxes properties - to the point where even if you are given a break of some kind, you end up paying taxes on the amount of money you saved. Like if you were to get a debt discharged. It ends up working almost exactly like that.

Way in the future, but in our time, more and more people stop paying taxes. It will start as more and more, a bit at a time become delinquent in their taxes. it snow balls from there. This is how the welfare society begins to crash. People become laxidasical (sp)about working, the gov. doesn't generate money and slowly people won't afford their taxes. The welfare group doen't pay taxes. They'll be the last to notice or feel they should have to prepare.

You'll be fine/o.k. if you don't follow the crowd. Think the third little pig...

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Elliese,

I was just rereading some of your posts trying to understand this feelings of foreboding I have now about the next few months.

Interestingly, you suggest we watch "The Dead Zone", I read the book many many years ago and did not "get it", I watched the movie and again, did not "get it". Luckily, this is my fiance's favortie book/movie, he completely "gets it". He believe's we are together so that he can teach us how to survive when things change and believe me he is a survivalist, he knows what to do and when to do it! I am not sure where it comes from, but he has it and he is aware, in different ways that I am.

You suggested we buy a firearm, because of my fiance's line of work, we have them already. He just asked me the other day, if I had to pull the trigger, would I hesitate? In all honesty, I replied, if it was to protect me, you or our loved ones, yes I would not hesitate to use it, which is a change for me because I place a high value on ALL human life!

We have the extra freezer and we do stock up, we've been doing that for awhile now.

Again, though what really shook me about your post was the suggestion to watch "The Dead Zone". I still do not completely understand it, I must have some kind of block in my ability to comprehend or understand its message.

Anna

You know, I don't usually go back and read my posts because, if they're visions they create a lot of anxiety in me, especially these days. I just put it out there and utilize my favorite clearing technique - i created in the groccery store, lol...The Swiss Cheese cleansing exercise (in it comes and out it goes through the holes,to the great beyond).

I remember the fire arms vision. what's nuts, is my husband and I will, if we can, catch a fly in mid-air and release them. It's become a karatee kid thing around the house to see who is more centered. With this fire arm issue, I see purchasing guns as if it becomes an underground type deal. We won't be able to purchase them freely, like we do now w/a license. It would be very difficult for me to snuff out a life personally, but as you said, if someone was after my family something else would take over and I'd get in the mind frame of, "Bring it..." I'm there anymore w/this. I pretty much run around like the 3-faces of eve or Sybil when the visions are strongest and I feel very VERY sad and emotional for the people who, maybe it's not can't see it, but don't want to. I don't either. This stuff isn't going to happen tomorrow either, I should add. It's coming though and right now is the good news that we have the time to prepare to ease transition, only. It is not the end of the world. for some, it will feel like it though. I'd say, the people who are or consider themselves affluent and the people who depend on the gov't to 'right their ways' will be crushed. Oddly enough, though there is takl about the middle class getting squeezed, they are the ones that will carry this ship. Entrpaneurs will as well because they will be networking inadvertantly. They will have the resourses to connect with other like minded ind. I'd go as far as to say, start making your networking ring now.

The things I'm seeing, right now, more so than the fire arms are, as you said, groups coming in, which will push this next wave over the edge. I can't stress this enough. Hasn't anyone just been in the basement or something and there's a too quiet atmosphere that nags at you or a scent that absolutely tells you when the turkey is done and you go check before the timer goes off? this is what i'm speaking of in terms of preparing. This scent is here, this turkey is just about done!

Timing though, if I say we have 7-10 years, to some, it's like back to business. There's loads of time. I don't see time like that. 10 years is like a good 6 months, to me, to get things in order.

The other thing I'm seeing are "lines", especially and Hitler type days but not in terms of holocaust. It works more like, watch how that dictatorship entered that particular time zone. Watch how the movitation of Hitler came to play. See the results, in the streets, in the markets, etc.

I've had people take what I'm seeing and transposing it into issues about race. Not even. That holds about as much water as cooties on a playground and little kids running around yelling jinx and anti-quincies, no erasies. There's just no time for that but go with it if you need to.

The people who get caught up in the promises of the Govt will take care of you, "We love you..." those are the ones that will be hurt the greatest. I see people - lines of them, mostly blacks and immigrants, standing in these lines. The elderly won't as much as they kind of already see it coming. They're tired. The younger ones though, for a while will be so desensitized they just pass the time on a cell phone or ipod. I see police having to manage these lines and what the economy is feeling now, they get in not recieving their checks or what not. they will be so reliant and justified in getting these funds, it won't even dawn on them what to do. From here, when this starts to happen, I see the children of these people raiding or just taking items, especially food from stores, riots, etc. It will get where people are taking food from gardens and fields. There will be more earth changes and it will make more sense to treat an ailment, if you can, from the home instead of heading "out."

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The movie Dead Zone has to do w/visions and what it takes out of a man who has them on a regular basis. One of the visions is a man running for president (Martin Sheen). The economy is plummeting and I'm paraphrasing, he gains the votes in the vision by saying things like, "Take a look at yourselves (and the crowds are cheering) what are you all doing here on a week day in the middle of the afternoon? How are you all feeling about the person next to you and being out of work? Elect me and I'm going to change all that!" He goes around to union groups and blue collars wearing a brown insulted jump suit and a hard hat saying he understands them, he was once there and he's just like them in many ways, gets down on the ground and begins doing 100 push ups to prove it.

John sees the future of the candidate becoming elected but, his mission had more to do with making his mark in history. It had little to do with the people.

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Hi Elliese,

Thank you for the additional clarifications. However, there is a phrase that keeps sticking in my mind that Obama said a few months back, it had something to do with people who are willing to work. When I heard this statement, I thought "as opposed to what", then I thought perhaps he meant that people who rely on the government to supply their needs will no longer have that luxury. Meaning, all social services are going to get cut way back, and given to only those who cannot work for one reason or another.

Right now I work in the health and human services field, I know there are people who get supplemental insurance from the government, based on their inability to work, due to a disability. Unfortunately, I see too many people on SSI that can indeed work but choose not to. Perhaps this is part of the plan, to weed out the people who choose not to work from those who truly cannot work. If the money is not there, then only those who have a true medical reason, such as M.R. will get the SSI benefits.

However, the feeling I get is that more and more people are going to need health and human services. However, those services are more than likely NOT going to be coming from the government, perhaps private individuals or companies, not sure.

I suppose the problem I have with his statement is I believe that most people want a job, however, how are people supposed to get a job when companies are cutting jobs left and right? The statement didn't make much sense to me then and now it even makes less sense because of the economic problems the country is facing. If companies are laying off thousands of people, how exactly is anyone supposed to get a job when they are willing to work?

It's almost like double jeapordy to me.

Anna

Hi anna -

I don't really listen to Obama unless he and something he says and I happen to be in the same place at the same time inadvertantly. I don't know or haven't heard what this particular phrase is meaning.

What I do get from this person is a short-term affect and many years to fix it. I thought all of these feelings would pass after the elections - I've had them well before May of this year. They haven't passed and I feel like I'm just sitting here checking off from a list of of things I'm seeing coming.

I don't feel everyone goes back to work. I don't feel jobs opening up again. I feel as I posted in past, Russia doesn't go away. This may be the larger land w/sattelite lands in militant forces I'm seeing against the u.s. I feel obama pleads his case to the people who voted for him as to overlook his mistakes. This man will not see or admit a failing. I feel bad relations and faulty contracts w/foriegn gov'ts. I feel more defaul taxes. I feel his plans can not be supplemented by the people who are suposed to support them through their taxes. I feel more and more health "benefits" for Everyone, but it will be so overcrowded it will be like going to NYC for a driver's license bureau problem - I get the same impressions w/hospitals.

It sounds all bad, but it's not. Again, get your networks in order as you go. We are not untalented and inept individually. It is through our individuality we have specialties. I would take some basic CPR/first aid classes now - they'll come in handy. Learn about herbs and homeopathy. We've all heard of it before commercial meds. BIOCHEMISTRY.

I don't see the crowds Obama is addressing as embracing these changes with wanting to work. The people who did want to work or still want to will find it more and more difficult w/out working for themselves - going into business for themselves. I see most jobs heading off shores - its a matter of time. There wll be highs and lows in the news and everyone wll want to believe the hi's including myself.

I'm middle of the road - I don't expect a complete turnaround or the world coming to an end. Some people think that's what this is. It's not. It's just something you need to put one foot in the other with w/out caving to the denial that would be so great to endulge in, lol. We are simply being exposed to the power we each have as individuals and dually noted in coming together through each other and not one man. You can't force togetherness. When you can feel the power of it individually, though, you bring that much power to the table in free will where things just naturally come together.

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o.k. I think I have a handle on why the need to learn to stand on your own 2-feet (which we should in general), but like I felt before - there will be the race issue and black liberation in the mind frame of "getting more money." Like they deserve it. I see this like I would some drug. You may get warm fuzzies, but don't get hooked on this idea. Immigrants come more and more taking a toll on the structure (what's left of it) financially. People will retire earlier - they won't be motivated to work to send everyone else to the market or pay for insurance on other people's mortgage. If they own homes they will scale down, not so much because they don't need the room but because there will be a tax on how much they don't have left on their mortgage. That sounds really wierd, but they will be paying on something they've already paid down??????? it will work like a capital gain or something.

I use to work for the gov't. What happens with the people that rely on their "retribution" checks every months works kind of like what happened to us when we wouldn't get paid until 2 weeks after our regular pay check. These will be the starting signs.

I'm not sure on this one yet, but Russia still comes in the fore front. There are lands around it - it's either them or Iraq. I need to look at a map, but there are joining forces against the u.s. I don't sense we go down, but there seems to me anyway, the attack that comes at us has to do with utilities. The basics. So if you don't know how to get by on 2 weeks or 3 w/out electricity, I would learn (fill your bathtubs up with water at the first sign of trouble...you'll be glad you did I'd keep some cash around the house too. Seems something goes haywire w/atms. Most of these attacks will be us doing it to ourselves with panick. So, if you can just rough it for awhile, it passes.

i don't know if this is possible, but I'll throw this out there. Our monies become equal internationally?? That in itself doesn't seem bad, but there will be more power for us not to get to our money. Have you ever had a problem with your computer and tried to get help w/one of those 800 lines? That's what I see coming to our financial system and like the computer lines, it won't do a bit of good to complain because they will need the money you can't get to. It won't be in their benefit to resolve it.

Just learn to garden and store or can food. It really is fun, it tastes good and you won't have to go to the stores so much. Keep what you can afford to lose in the markets and just keep an eye on it for profits. It's almost like going to the casinos.

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Hi elleise,

I agree there is a lot of hype surrounding Obama. It turns out you were right about a race about race. I'm not getting too excited either and holding on to the possibilities we can see more people like Palin and Romney in the near future.

You know, even if Palin and Romney weren't Republicans, I'd still like to see them running this country and even if Obama was a republican I still wouldn't.

I think we'll see the financial changes you are sensing within the next 3-7 years but we'll see signs of them before even then.

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These quotes were back in June or May. I'm just combining them. I have three happy sessions today and one tommorow so I'm just cleaning house, lol.



This War "in the lands" it's going to be a civil war. More and more people will take things into their own hands. It works like this. Inter racial groups begin "Crying Wolf" complaining and suing for looking the wrong way, kind of thing. For awhile people are intimidated. When their frustration builds, that frustration turns to tension. The race tension becomes ever widening. Activist groups like KKK and black panthers start re-building to exponential levels. Like I haven't thought about either in decades. They start rising to the surface and start taking people out. The court system becomes backed up w/these event so even if you are arrested it will take years to follow through. But they will bring out some immediate law that's like "upping the ante" if you do get caught to settle everyone down. It only works for a little bit. I personally wouldn't go out of way to fuel any bad attitudes. Again a shaken up pop bottle comes to mind. These aren't the holy grail days, walk tepidly.

Also, more people "stock pile" guns. You will go to these people to purchase fire arms, almost under ground??? You'll have to know someone who knows someone to find them, kind of thing.





E.) Russia/Georgia. Russia does not go away. USA surrounded by outside influence - strategic in making



This land seems it stratagizes with another powerful or large scale - outside u.s. govt. there are satellite lands that are accumulated in support along the way surrounding it. There will be some agreements signed, look for this between some of these lands and the u.s. What is publicized won't be the real threat. Other agreements behind closed doors. Those will be.

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Somewhere I wrote about Hillary not being "out of the picture by any means" and having to do with presidency. I'll go back and find that later. We're headed out to the lake to make my husband's dad, dinner - lasagna or slow cooked mesquite pork. Hmmmmmmmmmmm But, Hillary has more in mind than what will be presented in public.

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Elleise, the NRA has been ringing my phone off the hook. I finally told them today, I was using my money for ammunition. Which is true, as I had already discussed it with my husband. Canning jars are ready, freezer and pantry are full. Seeds are on order and we already have supplies for a seedling box to get them started early so we can do 2 crops next year. We have camp stoves, extra fuel, candles and oil lamps.

Now this may all seem excessive, however, we live only 12 miles from the ocean. Most of this we keep on hand for Hurricane Season anyway. I've already increased my tax withholding, and my husband is doing it next month.

Just wanted you to know, some are heeding your words.