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Goya's most famous painting (according to art.com) is a nude so I didn't want to post that here for us to talk about smile However his second most famous painting is family-friendly -



http://www.art.com/asp/sp-asp/_/PD--13026964/SP--A/IGID--2267514/Don_Manuel_Osorio_de_Zuniga.htm

The boy seems to be taunting the cats with the bird! That's not very nice. Are we about to have little bird parts all over?

How about the other poor birds in the cage, down at cat-level?


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Goya has always been one of my favorite artists for his breadth of style throughout his career. I saw his works in the Prado when I was 19, and I will never forget them.

During the period when he painted the Don Manuel Osorio work, birds were viewed as a symbol of innocence. How appropriate, then, that you chose not to post his most famous Maya. (allowing the children their innocence?)

The theft, in November 2006, of Goya's "Children with a Cart" is considered one of the FBI's top ten art crimes.





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Wait - but they recovered it right?

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Yes, yes, yes, they recovered it. The list is impressive though, isn't it?! I wonder if a magnificent Cezanne is floating around on the yacht somewhere in the Mediterranean or the South China Sea.

...or maybe in some schmuck's dank and dirty basement.

Shudder!


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You picked a nice Goya piece. There is a LOT that is very difficult to look at. smile

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I always feel badly if art is stolen because the art usually has lasted hundreds of years with great care - and now it's somewhere that it can decay and be lost forever. At least I console myself with the thought that in modern times we have all the pictures and images of the "lost works" so at least we have that record of them to enjoy. Imagine the pieces that were lost before say the 1800s, so that we really don't know at all what they were like.

Jill - I was going with the "top selling" ones, which began with a nude, and then this one was second. So these are his most popular works, the ones most people see and know. I imagine if we went down into unpopular paintings by any artist that we'd reach things we didn't want to look at, for whatever reason.

But sure if we want to talk about less popular paintings by artists too, that's fine!! Which painting should we start a new thread on?

So back to this one, the innocent bird is on a leash. But isn't it a raven / magpie which are symbols of wisdom and avarice? Why would he use that bird, rather than a less "meaningful" bird? Or is it a wise innocent?


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Lisa, I am not talking about unpopular pieces. I am talking about the stuff that is HUGE and well known and makes it into the Art History classes.

YOu can't just do art via Wickipedia. smile

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Ah but it's not wikipedia! It's art.com meaning it is the actual 100% honest list of popularity by buyers who would hang the art in their homes. So this is actual real world popularity.

Now you could argue that this is popularity of "the masses" vs of critics - but that's the same discussion about whether a blockbuster movie is any good just because 20 million people liked it. Is their point of view less valid than another person's point of view?

So that all being said, what would an "educated art student" feel his best painting is then, even though they apparently wouldn't hang it in their home? smile We can certainly talk about that!


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I am just going to go to bed. smile

His famous stuff is about totally different. smile

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I am very happy to talk about any painting you want!

I posted a link to the painting that the articles I read said was his most "important in history", is that better? smile


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