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#3777 02/18/04 07:16 PM
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does styrofoam and a heating pack really cost that much?
Actually, yes, because the person putting all this together has to be reimbursed for ordering the shipping supplies (time, travel and materials), then for driving to a shipping place, then for shipping costs, plus a little extra on the side to make all that effort worth it! It's not a lucrative business.

If your local shop doesn't have the fish supplies you want, then you will have to special order it, get it online, or substitute.

Also, about fry: you will only get about 50 eggs from a spawning, but you still have to be ruthless about culling. If you are not comfortable with feeding the 'rejected' babies to adult fish, then you really are looking at homes for that many betta babes. And only a dozen or so will really be the kind of strong specimens you will want to keep breeding.

Blah, blah, blah. I don't mean to dissuade you from bredding - it's fun! Go for it, when you get a true green male, but wait awhile is my advice. Go to a betta show, pick up the perfect male for your little green girlie (he will have to be as young as possible), and make sure you have everything you need.

learn everything you can about bettas first. :music:

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#3778 02/18/04 07:43 PM
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Wow...do you really feed the rejects to the adult betta? OOooo....I can forsee problems with this with my daughter...she wouldn't like that at all ! Ah well.....hhmmm, have to give that some thought and talk it over with her.

I have been really studying my little green...checking her out and all for signs of healing and anything else that may come up in her condition. I've read that "forest green" bettas are hard to come by...I don't know if that is what she is or not...but she sure is a very dark definite green all over. I don't see any sign of another color on her at all except for the red on her little feeler fins. (not sure what those little "arm" fins are called) I wonder if she was all beat up because she had been bred before being sent on her way to Walmart.

Who knows....Thanks Jilly for your helpful advice about breeding bettas. I will certainly continue gathering information and ..looking for a nice green male. Even if I decide not to breed, the challenge of finding one will be fun. <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" /> I will try to find a betta show nearby..I don't have high hopes of that though..but I can still glance at what I find at the local fish stores around...who knows what you will come accross at those places.

Emg2 :rolling:

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Good, I am glad you are having fun learning and looking for the 'perfect green'. I did think you have a rare green girl - no one I can find has one. I don't understand where Wal-mart got one. Maybe your theory is correct. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" /> Most 'greens' are really turquoise, or green-with-blue, or mixed normals.

Also, here is a good opportunity for you to talk seriously with your daughter about the cycle of life. Fish, and not just bettas, are pretty ruthless. Everything ends up being food eventually, and even the biggest predators re-join the cycle after their deaths.

The male betta does a wonderful job caring for fry, until they get big enough to confuse with food. Cichlids are the BEST fish parents, and I really really recommend you go for them when you've got more experience with fish. Cichlids are intense and colorful and fascinating. Biologists believe they ar the most highly evolved fish, and their parental care is not to be missed.

Anyway, another time, another obsession. When you are ready for one big tank (instead of delightful little ones cluttering up every horizontal space), ask me about cichlids.
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#3780 02/19/04 02:44 PM
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Jilly,

Hahaha...I got a good laugh when I read about taking up every horizontal space...so true !

I did have a chat with my daughter about feeding the culls to their parents...she looked at me rather seriously and said...."As long as you don't do it when I'm around"....Haha.. THAT's ,my girl ! very practical ! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

I'm afraid right now with all I am spending on the bettas...it's going to be awhile before I get that 36er I have been eyeballing. The guilt is setting in...haha...but you see, since I have already bought the filter for it...I just HAVE to get the tank now.....Hope the price doesn't go up too much before I get the chance ! :angel:

I would be interested in checking out any kind of fish. Have to fill up that tank with something big enough that you would notice it in there ! I would really love to do something with saltwater tropical...those fish are gorgeous ! However, I don't think I have the courage..or the right size wallet for that at this time. I was talking to a fella at a fish store...said he went through about $1,000.00 worth of fish the first year..before he got the hang of it. Brother, either salt tanks are really hard, or he was just your typical guy...haha...throw it in and see if it swims ! :rolleyes:

Anyway, I enjoy our back and forth here..very informative and interesting ! Typing away in this forum helps me to work off some of this passion. I have noticed however that my posts are generally a bit long winded..haha... <img src="/images/graemlins/tongue.gif" alt="" />

Emg2 :love: fish

P.s. about my green...if she really is such a rare find, seems a shame not to breed her ! <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />
If I find a nice green male and get some nice green babies, maybe we could swap...green for a white ! <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />

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We could certainly swap babies! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

I've answered your marine question in a new thread about large tanks.

#3782 02/22/04 06:24 AM
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just a quick question..

whilst breeding... how do you know when the male and female are done? i've read that its over when the female is way away from the nest and the male is all agro towards her..
is that pretty much it?

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Kei,

Everything I have read about breeding says that when the female swims away from the nest and the male starts acting aggressive towards her..is the time to take her out. But...I have never yet bred any bettas so I can't say from experience. Hopefully soon that will change... <img src="/images/graemlins/laugh.gif" alt="" />

Emg :beamedup:

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yeha i read about it too... and thats what i also read.. i'm just curious though, whether the female releases all of her eggs before the male goes after her..

breeding seems to be interesting and hard work.. alot of prep and money i suppose..

i really want to try it too..
just something simple like a long tail and a regular female.. i came across the australian betta web page and they've said that a pure black betta is very hard to come across and breed.. and then they had stuff on crown tails and split tails and deltas...

think i better do more reading..

good luck with the breeding <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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yes, take the female out when the male starts getting weird to her. Then he will care for the fry for a few days, until suddenly he starts thinking of the babies as food, so then HE"S got to go, too.

I picked up - believe it or not - a BLACK combtail betta, from Wal-Mart, last Friday. He's gorgeous. What they were doing with a combtail is beyond me. And black! - black body, hints of purple irredescence in a ray on the caudal fin, and a lacy combtail.

I am so excited. I am wondering about breeding him to my white girl, although she is reserved for Gandalf the White.

Blacks are hard to breed since the melano strain is a lethal double recessive. So I will have to play a watch and wait for new females to appear in the local fish shops (LFS).

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Kei, the female might have more eggs, but you'll have enough frlom the first spawning to keep you occupied.

I would breed any old normals though. That's a lot of babies to find homes for, plus the mating process is very stressful on the parents.

If you are going to go for it, find the best possible specimens, do your reading, and then go for it. It may take some time to find what you want to breed, but the hunt is what makes this fun.

With my black male, I can either try to keep the black strain, or mix it up and go for the combtail. Or try to keep both, accepting that the melano trait is exceedingly difficult to keep going.

I love that we are all over the world, but still sharing our betta love each day! Gotta love the Internet.

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