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Originally Posted By: Lisa_Orlando
I am just curious why Texasdave continues to FORCE himself on people who don't seem to care what he says. Doesn't sound very Christian to me.

Frankly I give NO TIME to what men say about abortion and I never will unless they can grow a uterus and find out what pregnancy really is.

I think men should be careful what they wish for, if these right wing fundies actually manage to deprive women of this right, I think women should respond by with holding sex from them ALL.

Just a thought.


ACK! I saw this post and went "auughh, he's back again?!?"

Thankfully, it looks like his last post was made back in May.


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patience #368913 01/23/08 01:04 PM
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Dear Patience,

Your words sound good and once I would have agreed with them. In fact I still certainly believe that every child has the right to be wanted and loved and treated with care and respect.

Did you know that incidents of child abuse have quadrupled since 1973 when abortion was legalized? When we open the door to killing a child in the womb, pretending that it is somehow kind to the child, it is a small step to hitting, shaking, screaming at and otherwise abusing a live child who is inconveniencing or annoying the mother.

In addition, did you know that according to recent studies, 66% of women "choosing" abortion in America made that decision under coercion? That's no real choice. In many ways, abortion has made the lives of women and children much worse, rather than being a step towards "emanicipation" -- as envisioned by the Supreme Court Justices.

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Let's always remember... married or not, ADOPTION is always an option....

Reply: Adoption is an option women rarely use even when abortion is illegal. I personally consider it profoundly irresponsible to gestate a fertilized ova to term only to give the child away and hope for the best. Someone with as little compassion as you might get the child.

there are too many families out there that are ready to love and nurture a child

Reply: I am not a brood mare for the infertile.

to allow even one child to be murdered by abortion.

Reply: Abortion is not murder and it was not murder when it was illegal. Stop the namecalling.

Yes, it's your body, but your baby has a body too...

There is no baby until I make it out of my flesh, blood and pain. Stop pretending it's instant baby.

why doesn't anyone ever consider that fact??? Oh, by the way if you haven't figured it out I'm totally against abortion and no one will change my mind.


Reply: So don't have one. By the way, Roe v. Wade protects ProLife women's choice too. If the government has the right to mandate gestation, they then have the right to mandate abortion. Think China. Why are you PLers shooting yourselves in the foot. Do you hate PL women?

ally465 #375620 02/14/08 06:56 AM
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If I were asked in a survey if I support a woman's choice to make decisions about her own body, I'd answer with a resounding YES! Although I may not agree, I do not wish to curtail any woman wanting to tattoo every centimeter of her body or to pierce every inch. She should be able to magically have breasts the size of basketballs or to have a nose even smaller than Michael Jackson's!

However, a woman cannot impregnate herself. This is basic stuff that almost every pro-abortionist forgets. When an egg and sperm join together, a new life is created. It's very true that the new life usually cannot survive on its own for just a little while, but it is a scientific fact that an egg and sperm join together to form a new life. A woman is now carrying a new life that was created by herself and a man. What she now does to her body directly affects the life of her unborn child and indirectly, the child's father.

It's also true that a woman "has to" (it's often referred to as some kind of a prison sentence) carry the new life for a few months until the life is mature enough to survive on its own. But does the owner of the temporary home have the right to kill its occupants?

Imagine a house where the father says, "You know, it's just too damned crowded in here. We do not need an extra kid." So, he takes his household tools and dismembers the child. (I must apologize for this horrible graphic, but there's a point to be made) The child is dead. The father could have taken the child to Child Services and said that he could no longer take care of the child. But, instead he exercised his "choice" to end the child's life.

I cannot for a moment ignore that, in the United States, a woman can complete control over her unborn child's life and can dismember or poison him while he's still quite small. And it's legal!

But, why are we horrified when we hear nauseous stories about parents torturing and killing their born children, yet we champion the "choice" of women to do it to their unborn children?

It's been said that a society should be judged on how it treats it most vulnerable members.

So yes, I'm pro-"choice." But it depends entirely on what that choice is and whose lives it involves.


Judging by your comments about women (ones you probably fantasise about) in your very first paragraph, the rest of your post can't be taken seriously.

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If people on here are serious about caring for the meek or voiceless, they would GO VEGAN. Every day, animals in our care are skinned alive, dismembered alive, and worse, and JUST to supply humans with foods that cause cancer and other debilitating diseases. And I am supposed to believe that if I'm pregnant, some callous meat-eater is going to raise my child if I don't want it? The world is totally overpopulated. Abortion is not only necessary, but it is welcome. The baby doesn't die, it stays on the other side. There is no death. Meanwhile, you're more avoidantly and escapist-like in your focus on a freakin zygote in someone else's body, while you trash your own with chemicals, fast food, and other poisons, as well as feed your kids such deadly foods. Grow up and look into it. These same people that push for as many unwanted babies as possible being born, do NOT push for any other "amendments" to this crackpot society. WHY would I bring a child into a world where women are treated like [censored], like blow-up dolls, and porn mags are available at freakin Barnes & Noble, where everybody sits glued in front of their tv's for hours on end every day, and people are falling ill due to diet all the time. NONE of these people care at all about preserving the water and land and animals that are all on their way out the door.....yet I am supposed to believe they care about "life"? They don't add up. Actions speak louder than words. It isn't about "abortion". I am all for it, honestly. Show me that you care about the meek by going vegan. Show me you care at all if these unborn "miracles" have clean water or air, and I mean show me with your ACTIONS, and then I just MIGHT believe you. Otherwise, you are just sorely misguided. www.factoryfarming.com


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Abortion is a tragedy in any case. If people like to screw around without taking proper precautions then they should accept responsibility for their actions.


Many women are on birth control and are finding out it doesn't work. It didn't work for me, it didn't work for many of my friends.

I'm thankful I had a choice.



How about those pregnancies that are product of rape? This is NOT a black and white subject- way too much gray to say it is cut and dry. besides, that is just way too harsh of a judgment to make without having all the facts in someone's situation.


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