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If I want to post about Hinduism, it will come here?

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I am not sure where you would post to tell ya the truth. isnt Hinduism more like Buddhism? sorry Im not much help!

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Hindu and Buddhism are 2 separate religions. Although, many Hindi peoples honor Buddha as one of their Gods. I am sure someone in the Pagan forums can answer questions about Hindu religion or post it in the SPirituality forum.


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Hinduism is considered one of the pagan religions, so posting here is just fine. smile


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I knew that they were two different religians but I thought they were kinda like Christian and Jewish. one branched from the other.... Sorry aout that!

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No. That is believed only in the west. I do not know why?
Hinduism and Buddhism are treated same in India. In west they are called separate religions.

This is mainly because of ignorance of followers of Buddhism in the west. And also what they are told by some monks.

Those who want to know the truth must visit India and find out reading scriptures and meet more people. Buddha is Hindu God according to our scriptures. He was the last incarnation of Lord Vishnu.

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Hinduism has a large pantheon of deities, doesn't it? So two Hindi people may not necessarily follow the same god/goddess either. I'm not sure if I'm correct - I only know a little about Hinduism from what I have gathered from a few Hindi friends.

As a young child I was lucky enough to attend a small part of a Hindu wedding. It was very beautiful.


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It was my understanding that Buddhism doesn't follow a "g-d" but rather the teachings of g-dly people or prophets, whereas hindus follow many g-d's/dieties.


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Buddhism is often described as a religion and a collection of various philosophies, based initially on the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, known as Gautama Buddha. To many, however, Buddhism is not a religion, nor a philosophy or a set of doctrines, but rather teachings to guide one to directly experiencing reality. Buddhism is also known as Buddha Dharma or Dhamma, which means roughly the "teachings of the Awakened One" in Sanskrit and Pali, languages of ancient Buddhist texts. Buddhism began around 5th century BCE with the teachings of Siddhartha Gautama, who was born in what is now Nepal and taught primarily in northern India, and is referred to as "the Buddha."

Hinduism (known as Hindū Dharma in modern Indian languages[1]) is a religious tradition[2] that originated in the Indian subcontinent. In contemporary usage Hinduism is also sometimes referred to as Sanātana Dharma (सनातन धर्म), a Sanskrit phrase meaning "eternal law".[3]

Hinduism, many of whose origins can be traced to the ancient Vedic civilization,[4] is the world's oldest extant religion.[5][6] A conglomerate of diverse beliefs and traditions, Hinduism has no single founder.[7][8] It is also the world's third largest religion following Christianity and Islam, with approximately a billion adherents, of whom about 905 million live in India and Nepal.[9] Other countries with large Hindu populations include Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia, Singapore, Mauritius, Fiji, Suriname, Guyana and Trinidad and Tobago.

Hinduism contains a vast body of scriptures. Divided as revealed and remembered and developed over millennia, these scriptures expound on theology, philosophy and mythology, providing spiritual insights and guidance on the practice of dharma (religious living). In the orthodox view, among such texts, the Vedas and the Upanishads are the foremost in authority, importance and antiquity. Other major scriptures include the Tantras, the sectarian Agamas, the Purāṇas and the epics Mahābhārata and Rāmāyaṇa. The Bhagavad Gītā, a treatise excerpted from the Mahābhārata, is sometimes called a summary of the spiritual teachings of the Vedas


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That's my understanding too. But maybe it's seen in terms of Buddhism is following the path with the Buddha as your teacher, while if you consider Buddha to be your deity then you are practicing Hinduism?

Edit: my post is referring to Jase's first comment smile That is quite an explanation there in the second post Jase.

... and I'm just sitting here watching your cat avatar! It's insane!

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Cool so I wasnt that far off!!! yeah me!!!!! lol

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oh, I decided to do a little quick research so I went and found a "readers digest" explination of the two.

The dancing cat was something I found on photobucket. I have now changed it to my cat tinkerbell who passed tonight. She hadn't been "right" for a couple days and had been sick. She waited until I got home and did her usual preening and purring for me while she was on top the fridge. I pet her and did our usual meow talk to each other. She curled up and I went about preparing and eating dinner. Then when I went to use the restroom about 3 hours later I stopped at the fridge to get a refill on my tea and pet her and she was gone. I buried her in the backyard underneath the pine trees. She always like sneaking outside as a kitten and would go out every now and then for a mini walk (about 10 steps from the door before freaking). So it's a tad of a shock. She would have been three in january. She was daddies little girl. I am going to miss my foot warmer and cuddle buddy.


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I am SOOOOOOO Sorry Jase!!! Tinkerbell was too young to die! that would be a shock! Your in my prayers!

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she's always been sick ever since we got her. She was one of our rescues. We have had many rescues over the years but she was our sickest. It was a constant struggle to get her healthy.

She will be surely missed that is for sure


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Oh I'm so sorry Jase, that is so sad. She has the most gorgeous face in that picture. Sending you *hugs*.


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Originally Posted By: Jase
It was my understanding that Buddhism doesn't follow a "g-d" but rather the teachings of g-dly people or prophets, whereas hindus follow many g-d's/dieties.


Hinduism has many paths. Some follow Gods. some do not.

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It seems like Hinduism is also very much a "blanket" term for a number of different spiritual ideas - much like the term "Pagan" is used to cover so many very different paths.


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You are absolutely correct.

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ok forgive this question but is Hindu a polytheology or more ...ok so much for the big words! lol Do hindus follow one God/Goddess or do they believe in many Gods and Goddesses or is there One God with many aspects, personialities...

Hope this made more sense then what I think it does!!!

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I think what we've established is that, like Paganism, there are different paths in Hinduism. So, say there is a Shaman and an Alchemist who are both considered Pagans. But the Shaman might work with his ancestor spirits and animal spirit guides, whereas the Alchemist might not even work with any deity at all. Or you could have a Wiccan who works with specific deities for specific instances - perhaps the Wiccan even chooses to work with some of the deities who are known in Hinduism.

So what I'm trying to say is that you can't define Hinduism as a polytheology or pantheology any more than you can do so with Paganism because it could be either or both or neither for any individual following that path.

(Ie, the short answer is "It depends" ;-P )


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Originally Posted By: freebubbles3
ok forgive this question but is Hindu a polytheology or more ...ok so much for the big words! lol Do hindus follow one God/Goddess or do they believe in many Gods and Goddesses or is there One God with many aspects, personialities...

Hope this made more sense then what I think it does!!!


Hinduism has millions of Gods. Some Hindus go to temples. Others do not. Some monks are naked monks. Others are clothed. There are hundreds of monasteries following their own rules.

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Elle,

Hinduism is not an organized religion. It is a way of life.

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Originally Posted By: haridas
Elle,

Hinduism is not an organized religion. It is a way of life.

Tell that to the Shudras and Dalits.

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Originally Posted By: haridas
Elle,

Hinduism is not an organized religion. It is a way of life.


Where did I say it was an organised religion?


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Elle,

my apologies. I never said that you said that. I was only posting my thoughts.

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Hinduism has millions of Gods. Some Hindus go to temples. Others do not. Some monks are naked monks. Others are clothed. There are hundreds of monasteries following their own rules. [/quote]

Ok so Hindus have many gods and everyone follows there own God or Goddess? but the Gods and Goddesses are not concerted one god with many personilitys but individual Gods.


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the precise figure is 330 million Gods.

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WOW so who adds the gods? do the gods and goddesses have baby Gods and Goddesses or do the people discover more as needed?
Sorry if this is an offensive question but It just seems like 330million is alot of gods....

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this number is same since Old ages. No change.

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ok WOW and I thought buddhism was hard to comprehend! WOW

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The ancient literature of Hinduism has- Vedas, Puranas, Vedanta, and others.
Runs in to millions of pages.
Written more than 5000 years back.

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ok I thought Vedas and Puranas were a type of yoga...yep I gotta lot to learn!!!

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Yoga is a very small part, rather a minuscule part of the text.

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ok so Yoga is in the Vedas and Puranas. Ok that makes sense!!

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All the gods I told you live in heaven.
The supreme being is everywhere.
You call him Jesus.
We call him Krishna.

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Buddhism by comparison is very easy to comprehend. No gods, no goddesses, just "The buck stops here". period.

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BUddhism took a lot of studying for me to comprehend. It took me sitting down with my current lama to finally say, "Oh my Gods, I finally get it". He has the prettiest smile, the lama who teaches at my center. I think he wanted to celebrate the day the light finally shined into my brain LOL


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LOL!!! HAHAHA I know that feeling! If you read the research thread in the wicca boards I think every wiccan Pagan and anyone else was glad that the light clicked on!!!

It was easy for me to start learning what wiccans and pagans dont believe but some times hard to understand what they do believe because everyone believe different but thats ok...
I was raised that everyone believes one way or they go to hell and when a new preacher come then we believe his way or go to hell or kick the preacher out and get a new one...there was not any room for ok you believe this way and I believe another and we all go to heaven and live happily ever after. that just didnt make sense and I kept looking for a string or something.

and now I an trying to learn buddhism and Hinduism but I dont have a starting point I had never heard about any of these religions so I have no preconseved ideas or anything.... So it is very hard to understand and comprehend!

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To understand Hinduism, try reciting RAMA few times a day. Knowledge will emerge.

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I do not think that this thread has any thing to do with comparison between Buddhism and Hinduism. I am only speaking about Hinduism. I would kindly request that another thread be made about how Buddhism is easy. Please.

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Sorry I think I got us off topic...but did you not say that some hindus are buddhist? dont they over lap? or am i reading the post wrong?

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No. That is believed only in the west. I do not know why?
Hinduism and Buddhism are treated same in India. In west they are called separate religions.

This is mainly because of ignorance of followers of Buddhism in the west. And also what they are told by some monks.

Those who want to know the truth must visit India and find out reading scriptures and meet more people. Buddha is Hindu God according to our scriptures. He was the last incarnation of Lord Vishnu.

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ok so I reread that post and I sound like a smart @$$ that was not my intention but I cant think of a better way to phrase the question....sorry!

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you didn't sound like an A$$ Bubbles. It is a valid question. And no you didn't get us off topic, as there were comparrisons made and aluded to.


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thanks Jase, I re read my post and thought well if someone dont know me that could sound like a royal @$$... I am glad it didnt!

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No, freebubbles. I surely said that Buddhism is part of Hinduism.
You and Jase are right there.

But I was wondering if talk about How Buddhism has no God etc. should enter here. because in India and in Hinduism, Buddha is considered God. In Buddhism in India it is same.

But I hope you are getting me.
if you or anybody has any query about Hinduism and its practices, please ask.

I do not wish that this thread becomes a discussion on Buddhism only. For that we have a whole section here.

OK. I will tell you something about Hinduism-

According to it,

Jesus is God.
Buddha is God.
Krishna is God.
Here by God, I mean the ultimate , not gods that live in heaven.

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Originally Posted By: freebubbles3
ok so I reread that post and I sound like a smart @$$ that was not my intention but I cant think of a better way to phrase the question....sorry!


freebubbles,

I admire you for the honesty with which you write.
We are all asses. You have the guts to admit that.
I bless you.

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In Hinduism , greatest imp. is given to GURU.
More than GOD. Out of all human incarnations of Lord Vishnu only Lord Buddha had no Guru in that birth. But he had a Guru in the earlier one and that carried on. This is the belief of Hinduism.

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We do not believe in evolution. For Hindus, the world was created by God.

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Haridas, the only people who believe Buddhism is part of Hinduism are Hindus.
Buddhists perceive themselves as Buddhists and nothing else.
The Buddha himself did not consider himself a Hindu. In fact, he didn't even consider himself a Buddhist.

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Hindus believe that the dead person's soul remains on earth for 13 days. So it is a 13 day long ceremony after which the mourning gets over.

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My name here is Haridas. In Hindi- Hari means the Lord and das means servant. So the name which is very common in India means- a servant of God.

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The main branch of Hinduism is followed by Vedantis. All those who follow the Vedas.

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Freebubbles asked me to tell about Lord Krisna.
Here is a brief story.
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In this age that is called Kaliyuga, it is said by Lord thta if one recites- Rama , all the problems go away.

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Interesting What is Rama?

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Rama is Jesus.

If you do not take offense, I would request you to recite Rama .
Anytime you feel like. No mala, nothing.
Recite while doing anything.
It will surely make a difference in your health.


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no offense taken! laugh so just say Rama over and over? I thought it was like a poem or prayer mantra or something like that! I will try it! It cant hurt none! and If it helps So much the better!!! Thank you!!!

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Yes. Just say RAMA over and over.
Let me know in seven days.

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I think there many western-based pagans who read this forum, so this is a very interesting thread. But I wonder if some might find it a bit confusing.

As I understand it, some pagans choose a deity to work with. Some work with one deity only, and others may work with many depending on the situation.

Is it this varied in Hinduism - where someone might work with different deities at different times? Or is it family tradition based?

In terms of "working" with a deity - do many Hindus consider it in this way (ie, almost a two-way exchange in many cases), or is it more a sense of following and/or worshipping a deity?

I'm asking these questions in complete ignorance, so forgive me if they sound strange.


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You asked-

Is it this varied in Hinduism - where someone might work with different deities at different times? Or is it family tradition based?

Mainly family tradition based.

In terms of "working" with a deity - do many Hindus consider it in this way (ie, almost a two-way exchange in many cases), or is it more a sense of following and/or worshipping a deity?

I could not understand meaning of two-way.

Yes, many people worship a particular deity.

In Eastern India and Nepal, it is the Goddess.
In South India- Lord Shiva and Lord Krishna.
In West- Lord Ganesha.

Some people do not worship more than one deity while others worship all of them but more to one.


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I could not understand meaning of two-way.


Not a good way of phrasing it, I know.

From what I gather, "working with" a deity means that the person interacts with the deity almost on an equal footing (more like a "colleague"), as opposed to worshipping the deity, which implies that the deity is a "higher" being (I really don't think I'm putting this well, and I hope I'm not offending anyone - that is not my intention).

So, it sounds to me like Hinduism is a practice of worship (one-way: praise going towards the deity), whereas (again, this is my interpretation) many Pagans who work with a deity have an interactive process that could take several sessions to complete (asking help, receiving guidance, putting it into practice, returning to "discuss" the effects, altering the process to take new information into account, etc).


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You are right. We worship deities. We do not treat them as equal.

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This is one of the reasons I think that so many people are turning to Buddhism in the West. Because there is no confusion or question about whom to worship, or when, or the whereabouts according to geographic location.
In Buddhism, there is no somebody to worship.
There is no outer manifestation of an authority to whom one has to defer.
Buddhism states quite cleqarly that ultimately, there are no superiors, inferiors greaters or lessers.
This is why there was a recent upsurge of members of Hindu low caste systems "converting" to Buddhism, because ONE: they would no longer be classified as members of a Hindu class/caste system, as they were now Buddhists, and TWO, Buddhism makes no distinction between 'Kings and Commoners'.
Of course, before we begin to see this as a diatribe against Hinduism, it is immediately urgent and fair to point out that many religions have distinctions between castes and classes... Islam has a differentiation between Arab and African moslems, and even Catholicism (and other forms of Christianity) has been known to differentiate between those more or less worthy of being touched and blessed by God.
So this is not intended as an accusatory and defamatory indictement against Hinduism.
It was merely the original topic of discussion, but I didn't want it to become a dispute.

Thank you.

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I don't know if "equal" is the right word either. I think, like everything, some Pagans would be comfortable with that statement and others wouldn't, and say you can't even compare humans to deities because it is such a different level of existence.

I thought of a (really bad) analogy, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment. I thought it might be a bit like you're working on a specific project at work and you need to go to your CEO for her/his input and skills. Depending on the project, you might need a lot of guidance and work from the CEO, or you might just need their "okay/sign-off". You work together for the good of the company and the company's clients. You wouldn't worship your CEO, but you would treat her/him with great respect for their experience, expertise, and wisdom, and honour their involvement, and thank them for their time. But you would be bringing your own skills and talents to the project, otherwise you wouldn't be working on it. And then another project might require working with the CFO, or the Chairman or other Board member who has a specific knowledge/power/insight that you need.


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I think a better term maybe is some people think of deity deities as there to help them do, or and accomplish something that they could not do on there own. so deity becomes like a silent helper who is there when you need them.

other believe they are at the will and mercy of deity deities. they must do or be a certen way to gain favor with the deity or fear the wrath of the deity if they dont. they must prase and worship the deity in a certen way. You may only gain favor in the eyes of the deity if and only if you do certen things.


then others or most fall somewhere in the middle. I dont know anything about Hinduism so...forgive me if I am wrong.. But outside of the extremist and radicals most all religious people fall in the middle. we REspect the Deities Deity because they are in contorl of our everything and can help or hinder us in our goals so we act think and do certen things to please the deity or deities.....BUT we also believe that God has mercy and will forgive us or overlook our faults and help us even if we fail to do and think and act a certen way.

so in short we believe they are above us and should be respected and set apart from us because they are wiser then us but they are also aprochible and loving.

hope I did not offened anyone out there either....this tends to be a tricky subject to get into when dealing with others who have different veiws and beliefs but it is a great topic!!!

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Originally Posted By: elleCreatEd
I don't know if "equal" is the right word either. I think, like everything, some Pagans would be comfortable with that statement and others wouldn't, and say you can't even compare humans to deities because it is such a different level of existence.

I thought of a (really bad) analogy, but it's the best I can come up with at the moment. I thought it might be a bit like you're working on a specific project at work and you need to go to your CEO for her/his input and skills. Depending on the project, you might need a lot of guidance and work from the CEO, or you might just need their "okay/sign-off". You work together for the good of the company and the company's clients. You wouldn't worship your CEO, but you would treat her/him with great respect for their experience, expertise, and wisdom, and honour their involvement, and thank them for their time. But you would be bringing your own skills and talents to the project, otherwise you wouldn't be working on it. And then another project might require working with the CFO, or the Chairman or other Board member who has a specific knowledge/power/insight that you need.


Well written. But Elle, hindus treat deities as much superior to them. They will not think of the deity on any level equal or slightly superior. They treat the deity as God.

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Originally Posted By: freebubbles3
I think a better term maybe is some people think of deity deities as there to help them do, or and accomplish something that they could not do on there own. so deity becomes like a silent helper who is there when you need them. Right.

other believe they are at the will and mercy of deity deities. they must do or be a certen way to gain favor with the deity or fear the wrath of the deity if they dont. they must prase and worship the deity in a certen way. You may only gain favor in the eyes of the deity if and only if you do certen things.Right


then others or most fall somewhere in the middle. I dont know anything about Hinduism so...forgive me if I am wrong.. But outside of the extremist and radicals most all religious people fall in the middle. we REspect the Deities Deity because they are in contorl of our everything and can help or hinder us in our goals so we act think and do certen things to please the deity or deities.....BUT we also believe that God has mercy and will forgive us or overlook our faults and help us even if we fail to do and think and act a certen way. Right

so in short we believe they are above us and should be respected and set apart from us because they are wiser then us but they are also aprochible and loving. Not only wiser but most powerful.

hope I did not offened anyone out there either....this tends to be a tricky subject to get into when dealing with others who have different veiws and beliefs but it is a great topic!!!

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Cool!! is that what you ment Elle and Alexandra?

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Yes. This discussion has pointed out for me some of the differences between Hinduism and the western Paganism that I've briefly been exposed to.

And I think Alexandra was pointing out the differences between Hinduism (which may include the worship of Buddha as a deity) and Buddhism which treats Buddha as a teacher (and worships/acknowledges no deities).


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Hindus also treat Monkey, Elephant and snake as deities.

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Namasthe friends

Have been reading up on this thread with a great deal of interest having chanced upon it just a few hours prior.

Would like to digress a little bit here. In Sanadhana Dharma (Hinduism) matter is characterized as masculine and energy as feminine and shakthi a.k. energy is extolled as the basis that keeps this universe on the move.. There is also a widely documented/discussed role of the Mother/Goddess as the creatrix rather than a creator.

Is there a strong/all conquering/all encomapssing role for the Goddess ior the sacred feminie in the modern/resugent neopagan consciousness>?


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That is the concept of Shiva and Shakti.

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All Hindus celebrate Diwali this week.

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Happy Diwali! smile


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Marry Diwali! smile what would the proper way to say that be?

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You have said it right. Though many people say- Happy Diwali.

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