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[qb] I found this article and thought you might read it and ask about Vitamin A deficiency. It doesn't sound exactly like what is wrong with your bird, but I didn't figure it would hurt to check into it. Connie Vitamin A Deficiency in Parrots [/qb]
Sounds like it might be a promising idea though. We give our Grey & amazon's a drop or two of cherry flavored cod-liver oil once a week on their food.

I also would suggest INSISTING on testing for heavy metal toxicity! <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" /> Heavy metal poisoning can come from more than just his cage... Toys (Just because it is sold for a bird does not mean it is safe for a bird!), house hold items they are allowed to play with, twist ties (BAD), keys, etc. <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />

Also after he improves, I beg you to 1. Get him on a Good pelleted diet & 2. clip his wings.

Will have you and Matt Bird in my prayers

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Connie, Debbie~
Thank you. That article does sound promising and when I speak with my vet on Tuesday I will tell her about it and hopefully will be able to send her a link if she will allow me, otherwise I will tell her the URL. Anyone have any advice on how to offer this to her without offending her? I get mixed messages from her, sometimes feel like she doesn't want us to really offer our opinions. I have been wanting to get his wings clipped for a while - we have always been very careful about precautions about windows etc however now with a toddler I am worried about doors being left open. I have been giving him vitamin suppliment in his water for several weeks now but am going to make sure that he also will be eating some more vitamin A rich foods regardless of my vets diagnosis. We are planning on getting him on a more appropriate diet as soon as he is feeling better - hopefully it won't be dificult to find around here. Today we were finally able to start with the oral calcium syrup - it turns out the pharmacy we used is just basically incompetent otherwise we could have had it alot more quickly - they misplaced the order twice and then had to order it only to tell me that it was no longer available even though there was a genaric form available. Anyhow!! Appreciate everyone's thoughs and prayers - it has been very difficult to see him so sick. Just a quick add on - sorry I always write books - the vet told me to lower his perches in his cage even though he is no longer falling. Hello! WHy didn't I think of that? So now his perches are only about a foot off the bottom of his cage which is still padded as a pre-caution.

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We had an extremely sick dog and spent lots of money on it going to the vet. I would just tell the vet, I read so-in-so, could this be what was wrong with the dog? She was never offended, just tell you vet you are so worried and want your Matt to be well. I hope that you find out what is wrong with your bird soon, I know how frustrating it can be to have a sick animal, especially because they can't tell you "hey, such-in-such is wrong!!" I will keep you and your Matt bird in my prayers. Connie

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Debb...I just LOVE the quaker site and graphics! Your bird is adorable!!! My first bird was a little quaker, so I have a special place in my heart for them!(My dad bought him at Woolworths back in 1967 for $7.99...he lived about 18 yrs and was my faithful friend growing up...and a great playmate too!!) I would love to have another one..especially a hand-raised baby, but 2 birds in the house are enough for right now..but surely someday! :-)

Margarita...been reading your posts about Matt and how he is doing...sounds like he is improving and I hope things will get better! Take care! :-)

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Matt Bird died about an hour ago. My husband got up for work and he was laying on the bottom of his cage, feet out behind him, his whole body shaking. He brought him to me to hold while he got his little cage out to move him to our bedroom where he would be undisturbed by our toddler when she woke up and while I held him I could feel his heart beating really fast, his tail was bobbing with each beat - and then it stopped.
He took a turn for the worst last Monday and we were due to leave for vacation on Tuesday so we hospitalized him, which we probably would have done even if we were going to be home to tell you the truth. When we dropped him off we asked the vet to do whatever she needed to to keep him alive. He had shown some improvement the week before that but suddenly Monday he started falling off his perch again. Anyhow, I know she started him on Baytril because his re-check came back abnormal for bacteria, and we gave ehr the go ahead to start medication for fungus as well even though his tests came out clean she thought that might be the problem. He was also on calcium syrup and vitamins. I don't know what the vet did as far as further testing, we left her a $400 deposit when we dropped him off to cover the hospitlization and medications as well as x-rays (they ended up not doing them - too risky because of the anethesia) tried to call twice during the week to check on him but the vet was busy so I just left a message saying if he was getting any worse to please call and leave a message so we could come home. My sister in law had to pick him up on Saturday as no one would be in the clinic to care for him Sunday. SHe said he acted like he was having seizures, which I had witnessed in the past and told the vet about but that he ate (he had gained 7 oz while at the vets) and at times seemed to perk up. We brought him home and he sat on his perch for the whole car ride, and talked to us a little. When we got home we debated to put him in his cage or leave him in the little cage but my husband felt he would bem roe comfortable in his own cage so we padded the bottom and his perches were as low as they could go - about 3 to 4 inches from the bottom. He stood on his perch and looked around. Then we gave him his medications and after that he started acting funny again. He never "perked up" after that - was standing on the bottom of his cage looking a little unsteady when I went to bed last night - but we've had other nights like that so I was pretty confident he would straighten out and get back hi perch.
I am thinking that either the stress of being moved from my sister in laws (he seemed ok there when we picked him up but she's afraid of him and he needed his meds so we couldn't leave him there - she's a 45 minute drive away) back here killed him, or the medication itself. I don't know. It was very sad, my husnand and I both feel like we should have done something different with his treatment. I wish I had been able to find a second vet to take him to for another opinion. The one we used came recommeded by 2 different people but maybe that's because she is the only one around? Well, it's easy to want to blame others in circumstances like this. I am glad he died while I was holding him and petting him, although he looked too out of it to care. My daughter will be up soon, and I have no idea what to tell her. She loves Matt and asked about him all throughout our trip. She was so happy to see him come home. I feel sick to my stomach over the whole thing, and am sure I will end up crying later.
Maybe I am so inclined to blame the vet because we have been so spoiled with our other vets. If one of our other animals is sick, our vets will run the gammet and tell us later and make arrangements on the money. They know that our animals are our family and they treat them that way. I feel that our lack of ability to cough up whatever she needed all at one time hindered his care. As is, we have invested over $900 into this. For that kind of money it seems like we should have had more answers. Now I am just being bi---y - sorry.
Ok, I am done trying to work things out here in this novel, no fun for you all to read. Thanks so much to everyone who offered advice and support and prayed for Matt - I appreciated it greatly.

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I'm SO SORRY to hear about your Matt Bird passing. I'm also sorry you had to go through such a long struggle before it happened. It's hard enough to lose a pet without having to watch them suffer first. My heart goes out to you! <img src="/images/graemlins/frown.gif" alt="" />


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Margarita...I undersand what you are going though right now as I have had a few of my birds pass away and still miss all of them so! I even had the same problem with my vet not wanting to help because I called them at 1 am and they were too lazy to come in to the office...I stayed up all night with my little quaker parrot, but in the end he passed early in the morning before the vet opened, but I held him until he passed and told him what a good bird he was. I still get a little angry when I think of how uncaring that vet was, but I really don't think they could have done anything and maybe they knew it. (He had a severe respiratory problem)
In dealing with your kids, I have always found it easier just to tell them the truth and let them know that it is in Gods hands now...but I have faith in you that you will find a good way. We have a couple little pet graves in our backyard, marked by little rocks with the pets names...its kinda' comforting in a way and keeps them in our memories. You take care...(((hugs)))

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I'm so sorry Margarita!


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I am so sorry to hear about Matt bird, I will keep you in my thoughts and prayers.

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Margarita, I am so sorry to hear about Matt bird. It is so difficult to lose a pet who is of course,a family member as well. May you find some comfort in knowing that you did the very best that you could for him. He is soaring with the other birds who are in animal heaven! Take care. sincerely, moose

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