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Lifetime GPS Monitoring for Child Predators

In some states when a child sex offender�s sentence ends the offender is required to wear a GPS (Global Positioning Device) or electronic monitoring device which tells law enforcement officials the exact location of the offender 24 hours a day.

Please read the article at the link provided and tell me what you think about lifetime electronic monitoring of child sexual and violent predators.

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First, I want to answer the original question: What do I think about the new law? I find it to be rash and bold, considering that it is based around restricting civil liberties in a drastic manner after one had already served their sentence. I also question the validity of such a measure when the subject at hand is so misunderstood, and it may become another catalyst of unfair and injust convictions simply because we are not very knowledgeable.

As for what I really want to say...

I counted the word pedophile six times in four paragraphs in the first topic. In nearly all cases this word was put into context that suggests a pedophile is a molester. Obviously someone who has read the DSM-IV...

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I am a bit confused by your post, as I have not used the word pedophile in my article. Would you please clarify?

Also, I am unsure what points you are trying to make when you write:


Again, I would appreciate clarification on your ideas here.
I find it difficult to follow what point you are trying to make when you simply refer to an article or website by placing a link in your response, rather than referring to a specific quote.
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In response to the rest of your commentary:

The DSM-IV is not set in stone and only provides a guideline for health care workers who are part of a multidisciplinary team, which allows them to coordinate the best treatment options for a patient who is being evaluated. Please remember this forum is not a mental health site used to treat or diagnose mental health disorders and the DSM-IV is not used on this site as a means of reference.

Bella Online is a website written for women by women, women sharing helpful tips from a female point of view, although we do have a few male authors on board. I have not distorted any facts or definitions. I have simply defined them in my article as they have been used for decades.

In reference to pedophiles:
A pedophile is by definition in any standard dictionary, someone affected with pedophilia. Pedophilia is subsequently defined as a sexual perversion where a child or children are the preferred sexual desire for the pedophile. In other words pedophilia is an abnormal interest in children when it comes to the sexual desires of a pedophile.

The definition of a pedophile has been around long before pedophilia became a popular mental health disorder, defined by experts creating certain diagnostic criteria to meet its DMS-IV satisfactions in order to try and receive reimbursements for any treatments provided to individuals in their care, whether voluntarily or by legal court order.

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Now, there were a few things that got under my skin, and I do suggest to the author to be careful when they use such animosity and conviction when making a finalizing note. The finalizing note, an obvious opinion, reflects on who the person is. This particular part, which was stated in a way as if the statement were fact, I found almost insulting. "Sexual exploitation and abuse destroys a child�s innocence, as well as their personal sense of self. Children are strong, and often survive where others cannot. Sadly, children have no choice but to live with what happened to them, they cannot escape the harsh reality of their trauma."


There is no animosity here, simply fact, spoken from experience, both personal and professional. I know what childhood sexual abuse and rape does to a child. Children lose their sense of self when their personal boundaries are violated by a pedophile. Sexual exploitation is the ultimate violation a child can experience. Children are naturally resilient and if they are not murdered by their offender then they will by the grace of angels survive, but not without scars and ghosts, that will stay with them the rest of their lives.

A child has no choice but to live with what has happened to them. Yes, they will try to put it to rest, yet unfortunately the abuse will rear its ugly head in the least opportunistic times in the future, for the remainder of the survivor's life. When the survivor decides to start dating, or get married, or has a child. If she has a daughter she will worry someone will hurt her, and if she has a son she will strive to raise him to be a gentle man, never to hurt anyone. The first time she lives on her own, she will sleep with all the lights on, and when she hears on the news of a child being hurt she will cry, as all the memories of what happened to her will come flooding back as if it is happening all over again. Sounds, smells, music, voices, creaking doors, footsteps on floors, all these different thins can cause the survivor to feel as if suddenly she is right back in the situation. I speak from life experience, not animosity.

Perhaps it is wrong for me to wish that a sex offender has to wear a GPS device the rest of his or her life so that he or she has to remember everyday that the choice they made to hurt a child had such a dynamic impact on that person's world. I research past my comfort zone everyday, and I never plan to stop. For you see I am going to school to fight to change the world. I plan to get my degree in Criminal Justice Administration and I plan to go after online child sexual predators and child pornographers personally, because someone destroyed my innocence and I vow to protect the innocence of other children because that is what we are supposed to do as adults. Adults are supposed to watch over, protect and keep children safe, their own and all children of the world.

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The late reply is to allow for more thought over what I said as well as giving myself time to absorb the response. I do not believe in rushed thinking.

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I am a bit confused by your post, as I have not used the word pedophile in my article. Would you please clarify?


This is purely my fault. I did not make it clear that I was refering to both articles pertaining to the new law.

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Also, I am unsure what points you are trying to make when you write: [quote]The only issue is...
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Ahh yes, people to tend to find it hard to follow my train of thought. I tend not to think on a linear path, therefore you sometimes have to read what I write twice to understand specific points, or realize that I use quotes after a reference.

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The ony issue is...

http://www.behavenet.com/capsules/disorders/cautionary.htm

I like this particular little quote: "These diagnostic criteria and the DSM-IV Classification of mental disorders reflect a consensus of current formulations of evolving knowledge in our field."


It doesn't take a genius to figure that out, however I guess it isn't what's considered a normal train of thought, so unless you take what I say seriously or with a clear head I do not blame you for having difficulty for following the lack of pattern.

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Bella Online is a website written for women by women, women sharing helpful tips from a female point of view, although we do have a few male authors on board. I have not distorted any facts or definitions. I have simply defined them in my article as they have been used for decades.


And for decades we thought that the earth was flat. For decades we thought the white man was the superior being. For decades we thought the earth was the center of the universe. There are many things that we simply think for decades without question, and it takes a few daring people to stand up and help find truth to enlighten others. I am not saying I am the one to change the face of the planet, however I am saying that I would like to see more research and substantiated facts instead of classical 'burn the heathen!' whenever some story comes out where a molester gets sent to jail instead of lynched, and labling any and all people who could be pedophiles under the same guise as this one man. It's generalizing, which, last I checked, was considered politically incorrect. Oh how I love the hypocrasy.

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In reference to pedophiles:
A pedophile is by definition in any standard dictionary, someone affected with pedophilia. Pedophilia is subsequently defined as a sexual perversion where a child or children are the preferred sexual desire for the pedophile. In other words pedophilia is an abnormal interest in children when it comes to the sexual desires of a pedophile.


correct! However the DSM-IV states clearly that a pedophile is someone who "is characterized by sexual activity with a child, usually age 13 or younger, or in the case of an adolescent, a child 5 years younger than the pedophile."

It states sexual activity, meaning that according to the supposed proffessionals, by definition you are not a pedophile until you become a molester. This is almost worse than the general line of thinking in society, considering it does not make a difference between a molester who commits a crime because of the rush of the feeling of power and control it gives them, or because someones sexual desire has been so repressed their entire life that they snap.

There is a huge difference there. In the first case, the person would be at the very least borderline sociopath. In the second, it could be that it's a standard antisocial personality disorder derived from suppressing really strong desires. Hell, in the past woman had been given vibrators as a way to 'calm them down' when they start to show signs they were about to loose their mind. By suppressing desires I don't mean simply not doing the act, I mean not even talking about desires, never exploring those thoughts, never seeking a like-minded peer, always berating and hating ones-self for having the occassional deviant thought.

Best example would be celibacy in the church and the problems it had caused, such as killings and rape. It had been proven time and time again that celibacy is not a path for everybody. Humans are sexual animals, plain and simple. Thusly, imagine an entire group, thousands of individuals, whom will never talk or entertain the thoughts of their true desires. A few of them will snap, simply because the odds are so high.

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There is no animosity here, simply fact, spoken from experience, both personal and professional.


One of my closest friends was raped by her dad when she was a toddler. She remembers the experience because she had nightmares about it for a very long time, and when she was old enough she talked to her dad about it.

Right now she is married, and has a daughter of her own. I have known her since my own childhood. She had always been a strong-willed individual who takes bullshit from no one, is stable, and as far as I know does not exibit any signs of malice towards her dad. She was affected, oh yes, but she is still stable and lives a normal life.

The rest of what you say makes it seem like everybody will be mentally unstable for the rest of their lives, no exceptions. Just because you have had a bad experience, doesn't mean that everybody else has. That is actually quite a myopic outlook on it all.

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I plan to get my degree in Criminal Justice Administration and I plan to go after online child sexual predators and child pornographers personally, because someone destroyed my innocence and I vow to protect the innocence of other children because that is what we are supposed to do as adults.


You are a vigilante. You are out for vengence at any cost. This in itself does blind you, wether or not you notice. Others will notice, but since you are surrounded by people who don't mind if you are blinded, perhaps even encourage such thoughts, I would imagine it would be quite difficult to accept that yes, you do have a very one-sided, and happily so, view on the entire situation.

Entertain this thought and tell me if there is, at any point in your life, that you can learn to accept this. I am not saying what I am about to say is true, nor do I condone what I am about to say, but I believe in the possibilities of unknown and undiscovered potential.

Imagine, if you will, someone who is attracted to kids. He has a preference, somewhere between the ages 10 and 13. The reason for this, he tells himself, is that he needs to have some intellect and understanding. Without such, he does not find the individual attractive.

Said person has never touched a kid in an innappropriate place in his life, and never will. He is a mentor, though, going out and teaching kids about life, helping them understand concepts they have difficulty with, or introduce them to new concepts. He is the type of man who would protect a child with his life. The one thing he fears most isn't being caught, it isn't the social ramifications of being virtually exiled, but his greatest fear is that he will accidentally hurt a child, and thusly will do everything in his power to protect them. He will not hurt the ones he loves.

He even creates support groups for like-minded individuals. Other people with the same attractions he has. Not exactly like his, but close enough to where they can talk about how it affects their life, what they are doing to make sure they are comfortable, about close-call situations in which they became the better man or woman, about a special time they have with a young friend in a carnival having fun, or teaching their young friend to change a tire or fix a computer.

Nobody within the group, either, had any innappropriate contact with a child, and in fact uphold the belief that it is taboo to harm a child in any way as such. Just like normal society. They are normal individuals, and you could shake their hand knowing full well who they are, and being happy for and even proud of them. And they are the unspoken majority of the subgroup of pedophiles.

Now, if you can ever in your life believe something like this to be true, then maybe you should rethink acting the vigilante. Afterall, the vigilante is blinded to all but their malicious goal.


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If you wish to have a discussion, it is best to discuss the issue - not to make slights against the person who you are having the discussion with. If the only way you can win an argument is to denigrate the person you are talking with, then that is already a losing stance.

Pedophilia is in modern speech a word that means "a person who has a sexual interest in children". Whether or not you agree with that does not change that that is what it means in modern times. To complain about that would be similar to complaining that "decimate" is supposed to mean "randomly kill off 1/10th of the people", not a more general "lots of death" term. Whatever it might have meant at one point in time, now it means "lots of death". Similarly, vegetables used to be called potherbs in the 1600s. If you said potherbs now, few people would know what you meant. The English language changes. In order to communicate, you need to understand what the majority of people understand when they hear a word, and discuss an issue based on that. If your purpose is to convince the entire world to use a given, specific word differently, then that is an argument for CNN, not for this forum.

If you actually wish to discuss an *issue* vs the meaning of words, then by all means present the issue to discuss. It appears you are agreeing that the sexual touching of a child by an adult is not a good thing. That would be a good starting point. Hopefully we can all agree on that point.


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If you wish to have a discussion, it is best to discuss the issue - not to make slights against the person who you are having the discussion with. If the only way you can win an argument is to denigrate the person you are talking with, then that is already a losing stance.


And I agree. However, she brought herself into the equation first, which IMHO is not a good thing to do in a debate, and what I said was relevant to the issue at hand. I really do not think that we are on the same page when it comes to the issue, so I'll try to steer this in a comprehensive direction and define the issue.

Pedophiles, due to great prejudice against them and a refusal by society to actually understand them, as I have shown before, have never been given a chance to truely let their voice be heard. I feel that we have only focused on the convicted criminals because those are the only people who we consider pedophiles.

What about the pedophiles who run free? What of the pedophiles who stay celebate? What of the pedophiles who live a normal life, more or less? Without commiting a crime? Can you even call them pedophiles in our society if all they have are fantasies or illustrations of fictional characters or fictional stories to read? If you do call these people pedophiles, do you actually have a right to take away their civil liberties when they have never committed an actual crime or in any way inhibited anothers civil liberties?

I find the generalization of this sub-group astoundingly questionable, yet I also see and hear it all the time, even from the gay population, one of the most misunderstood and hated groups of people.

Now, as for the issue of words, I couldn't agree more. However I am not trying to change the world. I am debating on the legitimacy of that word in a negative or malevolent essay or speach when there is no true knowledge behind what or whom that word refers to, and I am debating with a small group.

I just noticed I did not answer a question which will surely be on someone's mind. Why would the attack I made actually be important to the debate? Because it is an example of the refusal of society to understand, and Erika already provided a reason for such thought and action. I merely broke down what was said into different yet synonymous terminology and what it could mean, and instead of portraying a knight in shining armor it showed a beserker in a blind rage (which would upset anybody, so it is perfectly understandable if someone was offended), then I put down my thoughts about the new picture.

I told Erika what she described herself as, a vigilante. It's fact, not opinion.

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1. One who takes or advocates the taking of law enforcement into one's own hands.

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I will start a separate thread on your idea of all law enforcement = vigilantes which I disagree with completely. Please keep that separate, as it is very separate.

OK. So let's simply talk about pedophilies. A pedophile is someone who wants to have intimate relations with children, whether or not they follow through on those desires. Just like a heterosexual is someone who is attracted to members of the opposite sex, whether or not they actually do have sex. Just like a homosexual is someone who is attracted to members of the same sex, even if they don't have sex. So you can be a celibate homosexual. Just fyi note that celibate has an I in it.

Do we agree on that definition? I think that's an important starting point.

Now, say someone has an interest in abusing women. Say they visit a ton of sites about abusing, raping and torturing women. Say they spend all their free time writing about ways to harm women. Would this person be an ideal candidate for working in a battered women's shelter? Most people would say no. Their mental make-up gives them a predisposition to harming women who are vulnerable. That is part of any job interview process, to find a person who is well suited.

Say a person has been an alcoholic for 30 years, has harmed several people with drunk driving, and is finally kicking the habit. They have come clean and are working hard to maintain sobriety. Should you give them a job in a wild bar, serving drinks? The answer should be, no. That is not an environment in which they will prosper.

When people get out of prison, one of the things they're always told is to get a new group of friends - one that will help support and encourage them. People who get out of prison and who hang out with people who do illegal activities tend to naturally get drawn into doing those too.

It's part of a daily life decision every one of us makes - to have an environment that supports us in our goals and dreams.

So here's the thing. Say you have a desire that is harmful to others. Whether that desire is setting fire to buildings, or raping women, or molesting children, I think we can agree that all of these harm others. This person in essence has three choices. One, they can work to minimize and eliminate this harmful desire. Two, they can encourage that desire actively. Three, they can do nothing at all.

You are not even talking about "doing nothing" - or working to minimize this desire. You are talking about actively feeding the desire, gaining pleasure in it and reinforcing it in your mental system. In that case, I have to say yes, I disapprove of an arsonist who spends all his time learning new ways to burn down buildings and who practices the techniques in his home. I disapprove of the rapist-enjoyer who learns black belt techniques and watches rape videos learning the best way to rape a woman. Because all of that reinforcement, skill and knowledge means that that person is *far* more likely - when given a situation that is "ripe" - to tip and take action than someone who has actively been learning coping techniques and discovering why they have this wish to harm others.

If someone stalks a woman, threatening them, and setting up situations where they could kill the woman, then that is in fact a crime even if they don't kill the woman. The fact that someone obsesses over causing someone else harm is not a situation society should encourage, for its own sake.


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