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I can't say I agree with your lifestyle but I do believe that you have the right to choose it.


You don't really think it's a choice, do you? It is now well documented that our 'disease' is genetic. But if it were a choice, I would choose it.


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It is so sad that the Bible, which I have read from cover to cover several times, and read daily is used as a weaopon of abuse by extreme fundamentalist Christians, who are no better than extreme Muslims in their hatred!


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As have I, loveapple. I find the Bible full of grand sagas, long genealogies, wonderful stories and a great code of morals. As does the Koran, the Talmud and so many other religious writings. They are so much the same.

Sadly, any power based, partriarchal organization, whether a religion, a political party or a group of boy scouts, will use its power to abuse those different than they are. And somehow they will find some esoteric, arcane writings to justify it.


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I agree with you pondlady!


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I can't say I agree with your lifestyle but I do believe that you have the right to choose it.


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You don't really think it's a choice, do you? It is now well documented that our 'disease' is genetic. But if it were a choice, I would choose it.



All I mean is that you have made a choice to turn your back on God and live for yourself. Most everyone in this world has, there are very very few Mother Theresa's out there. God asks us to sacrifice ourselves so we can be close to him.

I am born a sinner and a selfish person but this doesn't mean I'm right to choose to think only of myself and lie and cheat and murder to get my way. I was born with depression but this doesn't mean it's OK for me to choose to live in self pity, making those miserable around me and basically only caring about my own emotional state. I have to choose to think of those around me.


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It is so sad that the Bible, which I have read from cover to cover several times, and read daily is used as a weaopon of abuse by extreme fundamentalist Christians, who are no better than extreme Muslims in their hatred!


How did you miss the love God has for us? The old Testament is a story about a father who loves his children and wants for them to love him and come to him for protection and guidance. However like rebellious teens his children act out breaking the rules of the home in order to move further and further away. The father allows them their freedom but at some point because he loves them so much he must dicipline them so in their suffering they will seek him again.

I encourage you to re-read the Old Testament as you would a parenting manuel. Due to the hate you have received from non-christians calling themselves Christian I would consider skipping over the small one line about homosexuality in the long long list of rules that are broken everyday by Christians and non Christians alike.

In the future when someone attacks you for breaking a one line rule, you can ask them how many of the rules they have broken, how many of the 10 commandments they have broken.

"I may be in a same sex marriage, but let me ask you this, have you told a lie today? have you looked at another women other than your wife and thought, she looks good? Have you every bought something because your neighbour had it or because you wanted to have the latest and best so your friends could drool..... the list goes on and on and on."

Or to make the point quickly and with the words of God you could respond by saying.

Jesus said, "Whoever has not sinned throw the first stone." and do not remove the splinter from your brothers eye until you have removed the log from your own.

It doesn't matter what I think, or you think, all that matters is what God thinks and what he will say to us on judgement day.

You want to know what I really think about the whole same sex marriage thing... read my article on the subject.

Redefining Marriage, What is marriage

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You want to know what I really think about the whole same sex marriage thing... read my article on the subject.

Redefining Marriage, What is marriage


Right on, sister. You speak the truth.


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Carennedy,

I never meant to make you feel as if I were attacking you personally - nor Jenna on here (I've a few others in mind, but they've mostly been silent for a while.)
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My heart has just been hurting from the fact that so many seem to feel that Christians are against them because of their homosexuality - and I realize that there are many who are, but there are also those of us who are trying to make it better, too.

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They were only repeating what the Bible had to say, or that they thought it had to say, about Homosexuality!


It's that "or that they thought it had to say" - that I would like to point out.

People have used the Bible to support their own beliefs in many wrong ways for many years. I very sadly remember seeing a Jerry Springer show (back before he became a joke) that had to do with children in the KKK. These 4 year old babies could quote Bible verses, and then turn around and explain that those verses meant that they should kill all jews, "ni**ers", and fags. Don't tell me that a 4 year old figured that out from a Bible verse by himself!!! Someone (human) teaches that kind of hate, and it just gets passed down and down. I about cried when Springer turned around, crouched down on his knee, and asked the little boy "Do you want to kill me?" , "No, sir!", "But I'm Jewish." And you could just see the confusion in that baby's eyes, because he thought a Jew was some kind of a monster.

It's not the Bible that's wrong - it's the people that taught it.


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Sorry patience I think I have made a poor choice of wording.I aqm not very good at expressing myself in the written word <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

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No need to apologize Natalie. I wasn't at all upset by anything you said. Quite the contrary! It was just that I wanted to point out that it wasn't my post anyone was referring to.

Carennedy,I just wanted to ask you, are you saying that Homosexual people should not have intimate relationships with their loved ones? Even when vows have been made and taken as sacred? Are you suggesting that we should all remain celibate all our lives?

Patience.


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
John Adams


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