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It disturbs me that this is in Elementary Schools. I heard about the Gay Lobbists pushing to get more information into the schools and whatever when they're teens and its part of sex ed. But to have material that shows anything as gay is too young and it should not be there. Kids have a hard enough time with the big questions, no need to throw another one in there unless they are actually faced with it. I mean if my kid has a friend with 2 moms or 2 dads then as a parent I would address it, but not just because.

I just wanted to add, the other part that I see as a huge issue is that the father was arrested because he wouldn't allow the book into his house.

Is it OK for us to say no to Homosexuality coming into our homes?

As an example: (This isn't homosexuality but it does pertain to this site.)

My mother in law who believes in new age and psycics and that God is just love, there is no evil and something about us being gods.... I don't know, I try not to get into it.

Anyway -- to my point. As she's visiting this week she sees me reading my Bible and Christian Books. What does she do rents a movie for everyone to watch (including my 4 & 7 year old) about how quantum physics proves that we are gods and there is no evil and on and on. When I wouldn't allow the kids to watch it she got very offended because I should be teaching them to have an open mind. Hmm maybe next time at her house visiting I'll rent the Passion for everyone (not my kids) to watch.

Am I wrong to be offended, is it not my home, my children? I mean if they are in their late teens and want to learn about other stuff, Great I'll encourage them and will have open discussions with them. But the Truth will always be there.

PS - I read almost every night so I can fall asleep, sorry God but it does put me to sleep.

Hmm..there's a lot on here that I'm not sure I can comment on all at once, so I'll start with the most recent issue about how young is too young to teach kids about homosexuality.

First off, I'm not advocating any kind of 'sex education' for young kids, homo or heterosexual, what I will be discussing is merely introducing kids to the idea that there is more than one kind of relationship that exists (nothing about the morals of it, how it is practised, etc., let's keep this simple).

I would argue that kindergarten isn't too young to teach your children that there are different kinds of people and relationships, is there an age when it is too young to teach tolerance and love for all? I understand people's concerns but the difficulty as I see it is that, as you said Carennedy, the truth will always be there and children will learn about it one way or another and often sooner rather than later. Isn't it better to teach them in a way that explains what being gay means (in terms they can understand, I'm not talking making them watch queer as folk or anything <img src="/images/graemlins/wink.gif" alt="" />) rather than them picking stuff up from the playground or from those around them, which is more than likely going to be prejudicial.

A good example:
When I was about 11 or 12 the kids in my class started 'asking people out' this is like asking someone to be your boy/girlfriend - not seriously and you would more than likely have 'broken up' with them 10 minutes later. I geuss I didnt understand the rules at that age, I liked this girl, she was funny and nice and I liked her hair so I asked her out. The second I had done it I knew it was a mistake, the look on her face and the shouts from kids that had overheard. I was humiliated because of that and it was something that kids still remembered in junior high and then high school. It was something that really affected me and did me quite a lot of harm. I'm not saying that the story should be changed so I can go out with her, I know that the idea of children that young in any relationship let alone a same-sex one is (understandably) upsetting for people. My point is that if the kids had been taught about homosexuality and taught that it is just the way some people are, then maybe I wouldn't have been given the hard time that I was.

I hadn't even heard the word 'lesbian' before but I knew straight away that it must be something terrible and bad if they were throwing it at me the way they did. I didn't 'come out' until 6 or 7 years later and spent the years in between torn up inside and trying to convince myself that it was 'just a phase' or something.

The only way to bring about an enlightened society in which all people can be loved the way Jesus intended is to educate people.

While I'm here, can anyone give me any bible quotes that refer to the act of homosexual behaviour between women, or homosexuals generally; the only things I have heard had been against two men having sex or lustful behaviour generally. I'm curious to know if anyone can provide a quote that explicitly condemns homosexual relations between any two genders or women specifically.

Romans 1:21-27

Paul is writing about the wickedness of people. He is talking about people within society that turn away from what their hearts say is right.

21. Yes, they knew God, but they wouldn't worship him as God or even give him thanks. And they began to think up foolish ideas of what God was like. Ther result was that their minds became dark and confused. Claiming to be wise, they become utter fools instead. And instead of worshiping the glorious, ever-living God, they worshiped idols made to look like mere people, or birds or animals or snakes.

So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result they did vile and degrading things with each others bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made bunt not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever amen.

That is whay God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved.

Basically what is being said is that homosexuality is a sign of the community's sin. People choose to turn away from God and make God into something he's not and worship that instead. Their lives became more and more sinful until they were having homosexal relations.

Since Romans was written by Paul I feel the need to back it up with something else from the Bible. I have my own issues when it comes to Paul but I do find an example in other parts of the scriptures to back him up.

So I will give you the most famous story of God's view on Homosexuality:

Genesis 19 The destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Angels and the Lord came to visit Abraham and to promise Sarah a son. After their meal the told Abraham that they were going to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah. Abraham asked God to spare Sodom and Gomorrah if he found 10 innocent and rightous people in the town. (note: Abraham started with 50 then dealt down to 10). The angels and the Lord left Abraham and went to check out Sodom and Gomorrah.

Lot, Abrahams nephew, lived in Sodom and he met the Angels and the Lord and invited them into his home for safety. After dinner all the men of Sodom, young and old came from all over the city and surrounded the house. They shouted to Lot "Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them outside so we can have sex with them.

Lot asked them not to do such a wicked thing and offered up his daughters instead. This enraged the mob and they threatened to do worse to Lot and they broke into his home. The Angels blinded the mob and instructed Lot to get his family out of their. He had to be forcable removed by the angels for he still did not want to leave.

As he got to his destination God rained down fire and burning sulfur from the heavens on Sodom and Gomorrah.

There's the story, now what does it show? It shows a mob filled with hate wanting to do harm to strangers. The sign of their hearts was the desire to rape the men. The behavior reflected how far away from God they were.

Another story that reflects what Paul is saying in Romans is in Judges Chapter 19. - paraphrased -

A levite man was going home with his concubine from her fathers house. They had left late and got into the town of Gibeah, in the land of Benjamin, when the sun was setting. They rested in the town square but no one took them in. That evening an old man came and urged them to stay at his house and not in the square. While they were in his home some wicked men rounded the house and demanded "Bring out the man who is staying with you so we can have sex with him."

The old man stepped outside and pleaded "No, my brothers, don't do such an evil thing. For this man is my guest, and such a thing would be shameful. Here, take my virgin daughter and this man's concubine. I will bring them out to you, an dyou can do whatever you like to them. But don't do such a shameful thing to this man.

The men wouldn't listen to the old man. But the Levite pushed his concubine out the door and the wicked men raped her and she died on the doorstep.

The result was that the other 11 tribes took up arms against the tribe of benjamin and nearly wiped them out.

Does the story sound familar?

I know its horrible and the treatment of the woman was even worse than anything I could ever imagine. Although this was so evil I can't even put it in to words, it shows how far from God these men were. Sexual perversion was the sign of their hearts for God.

I'm not saying that homosexuality means they'll be like the wicked men of these stories. The times were very different, so different we don't even know what they were like. Women were so disrespected that they would be offered up because it was better for the men to rape a women instead of a man.

These are stories in the Bible about the human condition when they choose to do whatever they want and don't care about anyone or God. God's response was to destroy them.

So what did God's Law say? Moses in Leviticus wrote many of the laws that God passed on to him. I wanted to draw your attention to Chapter 18 specifically. This chapter outlines what sexual sin is.

In regards to homosexuality this is what it says Leviticus 18:22

"Do not practice homosexuality, it is a detestable sin"

This is all I could find in the Bible specifically on the question of homosexuality. It is a sexual sin and sexual sins are the ones that defile our bodies. It is the one sin that will lead us away from God the fastest.

The wonderful thing about God is that we all have free will and some choose this sin over saying the Lords name in vain or the sin of no idols, you get the drift.

I had a posting in January where I explained how sin effects our lives and how Jesus corrected it. I can't remember it exactly but it goes kinda like this.

We start out on a straight path to God then we make one little sin. Then another, and another on and on.

Every sin takes us off ourmark - God until we pass right by him because we are so far off course we missed our destination, just like a plane. Jesus came to correct that by taking on our sins as the final blood sacrifice and all we need to do is believe in him and ask for his forgiveness.

Each and every sin takes us a few degees off course, there is no sin worse than another to God because every sin takes you away from him.

i dont have kids with that said... i think at that age if you taugh hetrosexuality it would be conceted child abuse of some sort because you would be adultafing kids in a sexual maner!!! if you want kids to stop makeing fun of kids with two moms or two dads then educate the parents!!! the kids arent going to ask other if they have one mom or two!!! and if a child says something about two mom then they will ask the kid to explane then a teacher or parent that is who SHOULD BE teaching there kids!!! but until parents are educated.... teaching the kids is nothing but confusing!!! not to menchion hurtful in the long run because teacher teach one way the parents teach act and live another so you have a battle between teacher and parent and who is the kid going to believe? so the young kid desides with parents help that teacher know nothing and they dont have to learn anything!!! so they get to highschool with the same addittued and what happens parents want kid to learn kid dont believe in teacher and does not think they have to learn, drops out....parent teachers wonder what happened!!!?

Am I the only one who has an issue with the fact that the dad was arrested because he wouldn't allow the book into his own home?