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Re: Homosexuality and Christianity #258863 07/20/06 05:17 AM
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I felt like patience and freebubbles until I became a parent and then I got it.

It's called tough love. If I wanted to let my kids be free and happy to do whatever they wanted and accept any behavior they threw at me they would become monsters.

God is your parent, someone who loves you with everything he has. It isn't his choice to condemn millions of homosexuals. It breaks his heart when we choose to rebel and turn away from him.

He can't run after us, he is bound by purity and love. He can only guide us and give us a map home. Actually that's not true, he did do one other thing.... He sacrificed himself on the cross so it would be easier for us to come home.

I hate it when I have to discipline my kids. They cry and are miserable and I'm mad and miserable. It would be so easy to let them have the run of their lives. But then what kind of parent would I be if I didn't love them enough to have rules and consequences? God is the most amazing parent there is, I'm so glad he's my father. (sorry dad, I'm glad your my dad - I'm thankful God gave me to you here on earth.)

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I was once a Christian myself, but now, at the age of 67, I no longer believe. Life experience has taught me otherwise. However, I accept the views of Christians and believe that every person has the right to their own beliefs.

There are many very fine Christian people, just as there are Buddhists, Muslims, Jews and Hindus.

I did not choose my sexuality any more than Heterosexuals chose theirs. I have the deepest respect for Heterosexual marriage and I believe that sex should be reserved for committed relationships. I expect others to respect my sexuality and understand that it is not 'fornication'. It is sacred to me and to many others like me. We have the right to love and be loved just like anyone else.

It is a matter of being true to ones self and being the best that one can be.


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
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Re: Homosexuality and Christianity #258865 07/21/06 02:10 PM
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I have something to say on this subject.

The act of homosexuality, lesbianism, bestiality, adultery, etc... are sins to God. The people who partake in these acts are sinners and will be judged as such. That is written in the bible.

Throught the ages, the devil has used the "lust of the flesh" to ensnare even the mighty. He used it against Adam, King David and King Solomon just to name a few. He is working more openly than ever before to trap the young and old alike.

He uses pornography, sex films, television and advertising mediums to include suggestive clothing. Heck, look at the shorts the girls wear now with words printed on the [censored]. They are there to draw your eyes to that spot. Have you seen these shorts made for men? No.

He uses the building up of pre-marital sex, homosexuality and prostitution. He is out to destroy the home, the sanctity of marriage and the individual.

Galatians 5:19 says "Now the works offlesh are manifest, which are these; adultrey, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance,emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkeness and such like: of which I tell you before, as I have also told you in the past, that which they do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.

It is impossible to break God's laws without being broken by them. Job 4:8 reads: They that plow iniquity and sow wickedness, reap the same.

Numbers 32:23 - Be sure your sin will find you out.

1Corinthians 6:9-10 says : Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the Kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolators, nor adulterers, nor effiminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, shall inherit the Kingdom of God.

I too have been a sinner. I was an adulterer, a drug user and loved my pornography. That was all wiped clean when I accepted the Lord Jesus as my personal savior.

It's up to the individual to continue to commit sexual sins after hearing the Word of God but know that according to His word, that individual will be judged.

How are you going to feel when you stand before the Lord and every action, every thought that you ever did or had will be played on a big screen for you to see. Think about that the next time you lie down with someone of the same gender or someone who is not your wife or husband.

I pray for those who are not saved and still living in sin as I pray for myself as well. Christians are not perfect but we are forgiven. You can be too.

Forbidden friuts create many jams.

May God Bless us all.


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Re: Homosexuality and Christianity #258866 07/22/06 01:25 PM
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If there is a God, I would be quite happy to meet him/her tomorrow, and with a clear conscience. I have not been involved in any sexual activity that I would not be happy to have any 'God' present at. It is not a sin to LOVE.

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How are you going to feel when you stand before the Lord and every action, every thought that you ever did or had will be played on a big screen for you to see.

I will be too busy proclaiming the glory of the Lord to feel shame. Shame and judgement are lies of the devil. How can one claim to be cleansed through grace if they still feel shame or cast judgement? Are we not met where we are with the love of Christ? Did he not die for all? Even in the middle of our filth? Are Christians "perfect" people? Or are we sinners that are accepted and loved through the blood of Christ Jesus shed on the cross? Where is our faith? How are we like Jesus if we are shunning those we deem as unworthy? Are we not also unworthy? Is it not written "God is Love"? All love? Or is it only the love we think is "God's love"? Who are we to determine what God thinks? Are we now more intellegent that God himself? Has he determined us as the judgers of our brothers and sisters? Or is it written that Only One will Judge, the Son of God Jesus Christ. I don't think thats me or you or anyone else... there is only one Jesus.

Soooooo

What would Jesus do? Who does Jesus love? Who are Jesus' friends? Who needs him most?

Two guys go off on a hike. One guy decides to go into the woods and the other decides to follow the road. Which one needs the flashlight more?

When did Christians become God? I know I'm not. I'm not even close. So who do I think I am to determine who God loves?


JESUS DOESN'T HOLD UP A STANDARD, HE HOLDS UP A MIRROR AND SAYS REFLECT ME!
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Re: Homosexuality and Christianity #258868 07/23/06 05:32 AM
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Well said Jenna.

Thankyou for a beautiful, loving response. You are following the example set by Jesus, and I believe that is what matters.


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
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First of all, Patience, God is referred to as a man in the Bible. He is called "The Father". If He wasn't, then He would not have come to earth in the form of a man and wouldn't have created Adam first. And before you say anythting, no, I don't think that God is an "actual" man except in the form of Jesus.

I never said "love" was a sin. I said deviant behavior and not living according to His word is a sin.

He punished Sodom and Gommorah and will do the same who live like they did. That is not me saying that nor am I judging, I am just going by the Word.

Jenna, I too am going boldly before the throne, because my sexual sins and errant behavior was washed away by Jesus' blood.

Fear is a demon spirit that affects everyone and if we don't renounce and rebuke and then walk it out, we are committing sin by hanging on to it.


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Re: Homosexuality and Christianity #258870 07/24/06 02:30 PM
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Quote:
when a father in Massachusetts was arrested after refusing to allow a book promoting homosexuality to go into his home via his kindergartner's backpack,


Is this true?? Isn't Kindergarten a little early to be teaching children about sexual relationships?

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Children should NOT be learning about homosexuality in kindergarden!

They will learn of these things in their own time...Whay cant we just let kids enjoy being kids and protect their innocence for as long as we can?

Re: Homosexuality and Christianity #258872 07/26/06 05:16 AM
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I think this has come about because of some children having two same sex parents. It is intended to let the other children understand that not everyone has a male and a female parent.

However, I do have doubts about this myself at this age. I think Kindergarten kids are too young to grasp it anyway, and it is possibly going to cause more confusion than just leaving it alone.

Anyone disagree with me? I'm willing to listen to other points of view.


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
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