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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257403 07/22/06 07:34 AM
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Carennedy all i have to say is WOW and double WOW!!! Girl you got the Bible know it all going !!! GOOD JOB!!! But i would like to add that God did not write the Bible because He did not want us to worship the Bible He wanted us to use it as a handbook for life!! but thats my oppion!!!


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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257404 07/22/06 05:51 PM
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Your right freebubbles, it is our handbook for life. What is sad is that many would rather read and believe false books, like the davinci code, than read and live by the Bible.

I got tired of not being able to defend my faith and answer the hard questions so when my church challenged us to start reading the Bible on a daily basis, I took up the challenge and my life is so much better for it.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257405 07/22/06 06:00 PM
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Freebubbles,

I encourage you to keep studying and learning about all religions as well as your own.

I hope you find a place that you feel worship is honest and fullfing.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257406 07/23/06 03:38 AM
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believe it or not I'm speechless.....

evidence that the Bible can start a fire that never goes out!! I hear thunderous applause in heaven. What a way to defend your faith.

And the Paul stuff, your not alone, many people think those things about him. I answered your other post about some thoughts on him. I have resigned myself that I'll just ask him what he meant when I get there.


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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257407 07/26/06 06:47 AM
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My mother in law is here.... hope she doesn't read this.

Anyway as I am Christian and I read the Bible and Christian authors, I try to every night, she saw me reading.

She went to get some movies for all of us to watch, even the kids. One was one my husband told her to get -- See Dick & Jane Run. Funny movie.

The other though was What the bleep do we Know. I read the back and it said:

Embark on a life changing journey with a divorced photographer who tumbles down a metaphysical rabbit hole. When she has a mind bending voyage through the worlds of science and spirituality her percepton of reality is turned inside out and the meaning of life becomes clear.

I read it now and don't see anything wrong but at the time when I read it my first thought was don't let the kids watch it. My guard went up and I was instantly offended. I went to the internet to check it out and this is what it said:

What the #$*! Do We Know? combines documentary tactics with narrative and sprinkles the result with special effects and animation to give audiences a mind-bending trip. In doing so, they attempt to convince viewers that the study of quantum physics leads us to the discovery that there is no real right and wrong � except that religion is wrong and just about anything else is right.

Amanda (Marlee Matlin) plays a woman who has a "through the looking glass" experience when her daily routine begins to fall apart. She is confronted with the volatile world of quantum physics at work behind familiar realities. And the movie would have us believe that these phenomena lead to the de-bunking of religion, that morality is proven to be an illusion, and that human beings are, in fact, gods in the making. Real truth, it seems, comes from a woman who is supposedly channeling an ancient being from Atlantis.

So what is it that gives us warnings about stuff? Is it just intuition or is it the Holy Spirit warning us to what is wrong and right?

I said the kids (4&7 years) couldn't watch it and I did stay up to watch it in order not to offend and show I have an open mind. She was highly offended that I wouldn't let the kids watch it because it is funny and their are cartoons and I should be teaching them to have an open mind. I think I have the right to be offended myself!!!

What I found was a very confusing theory of quantum physics being applied to the question who is God? But this was far far toward the end of a long boring mind numbing movie. I did however then stay up 'til 3 in the morning discussing it with my non Christian husband, so it did work as a sound board for the Truth.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257408 07/28/06 04:46 AM
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So what is it that gives us warnings about stuff? Is it just intuition or is it the Holy Spirit warning us to what is wrong and right?


I believe that the angels whisper to us. The fact that your mother in law is mad you didn't let the kids watch is just hurt feelings that she thinks she doesn't measure up to you. Don't take it personally and give her a little affection instead... I know it's hard... <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257409 07/28/06 01:43 PM
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ok again i dont have kids, but its never stoped me form giveing advice!!! with my motherinlaw i have found that its a war between how is the best woman in my hubbys life and how does he love the most!!! he is the only son and has two sisters one which is older then him and lives far away the other is right next door to there mother (yea i have to fight for hubby time alot with both!!!) (LOL-not really)

A have finly figured out that if i hang out or call the mother-sister inlaws and ask for advice of cooking hubbys faverite foods to fix how to sew... then feel better about there position in hubbys life and they "know" that i will inclued them in our life andi need them to "help me"!!! and sense i put a bug in their ear about not wanting hubby to know i dont know How to what ever.. they think that the best way to help me is by letting me ask questions and not pointing out my mistakes in front of everyone!!! but there is a trick to this. you have to ask a question about something before they start telling you how to or they get mad!! that is the key!!! i hope this makes sence im in a hurry going to work but im addiced to posting!!!!


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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257410 08/24/06 02:48 PM
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Perhaps others have already answered your question about head covering, I don't know, I haven't read all the pages in this thread yet. However, I may have a answer for you.

Someone once explained to me that the original writing was worded differently and when translated to English it loses some of its meaning. I believe it origianlly meant that a womans hair IS her head covering and if her hair was cut short or shaved she should wear something to cover her head.
In fact 1 Corinthians 11:15 says that a womans hair is her covering. I believe that this whole passage just says that men should look like men and women should look like women when whorshiping, because that is how God made them.


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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257411 09/07/06 09:58 PM
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Regarding the mother in law, I know you are both right.

He is her only child and because I choose to move to Alberta and live so far away we only see her very little.

She doens't like the church adn religion in General. I was trying not to debate it and held back a lot.

I just felt attacked and disrespected, which really upset me.

But your right.... I am not being fair or kind.

As for head coverings......
Don't get me started on the anti-women attitude of Paul. I've read articles on how he was a liberater of women and brought them equality. I still have a hard time reading Paul because of his gender message.

This is one area of the Bible I struggle with constantly, the role of the feminine. When Jesus was on Earth he had many female disciples, many that supported him and sat at his feet in praise of him. It was the women that stood by him in his time of need. Yet not one of the 12 were female. -- No Mary Magdalene was not suppost to be the leader of the church -- It's a fictional book!!!

When better for God to enhance the role of the women and show that he truly saw us and loved us as equals then when he roamed the earth?

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257412 09/08/06 03:21 AM
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Carennedy,

I took some time a while back and studied the culture of the times. I used to feel alot like you do about feminism and the New Testament. One of the things that I have come to accept is that in those days, the relationship between men and women was modeled after the story in Genesis where God spoke to Adam about the rules regarding the do's and don't's in the garden and Adam was supposed to pass the information on to Eve verbatim. When Adam failed to educate his wife (family) as to the Word of God (be the spiritual leader in the household so to speak), Eve fell into sin out of ignorance of the Word. When the serpant asked her directly whether God really SAID she would die from eating from the tree, she faultered. So the early Jewish culture (and still Orthodox Jews) based the roles of women according to the teaching that men were responsible for educating the women in their families as to what God designed for them to be blemish free before God.

Once I was able to grasp this concept, it helped me to understand that when I read what Jesus says, He is speaking to me also. And when I read what Paul wrote I am reading from the reformed Pharisee what the Lord is saying through him. Paul was a radical after his conversion! He turned 180 degrees from his whole life's belief system. He grasped what could only be considered as contrary to what he was raised to believe and what his family had believed for centuries. In the temple, women weren't even allowed into the area where the Torah was read and discussed, but this new church allowed women and men to learn together. They sat on opposite sides of the church still, but they could all hear the Word being read aloud to them and they could worship God together finally. Women were allowed to learn right along side of men and this was revolutionary! Which is why in one area of Pauls epistles he states that women should sit in church quietly and ask their husbands questions at home. It's because they were sitting on opposite sides and would often call out to their husbands for clarification about some teaching and their husbands would answer them back. Paul wanted people to not do this as it was disruptive to the service. They didn't have microphones back then!! As for the head covering part... back then if a women appeared out and about with her hair falling all over the place it was regarded as unkempt and probably not clean. Like so many beggars and homeless people. Paul wanted the people in the church to take full pride in how they presented themselves to the Lord. And if this meant that women were to bundle up their hair so as not appear as unkempt, then they should out of pride and respect for the Lord. When I understand this, it makes more sense to me. Paul was writing to a grassroots movement that was underground and often in danger. Yet he still wrote from his heart and I feel very strongly that there is alot of things we can learn from studying Pauls conversion and his life and ministry afterwards.


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