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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257373 07/18/06 02:56 AM
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Jesus IS God. He is part of the holy trinity. Three manifestations of God. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. Think of it like this. You have two hemispheres in your brain. They have two different functions and do different things. But you have one mind. Three parts of God but one God. Jesus said He was God and He was worshipped by many during His ministry. The Bible gives numerous examples of this. He was worshipped by the Magi who came from the east when He was born. He forgave sins. Only God can do that. He knew people's thoughts. Only God can do that. Jesus is God who manifested Himself in the flesh to be a sacrifice for sin.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257374 07/18/06 02:59 AM
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kibrisli7,
Give me ONE example of what you think is a contradiction in the Bible.

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I tell you what emaster ill list 10 today. and if you ask for 2 ill list 20. How does that sound?

Firstly before I do so. Show me where in the bible Jesus says "I AM GOD"

ok her it goes....

1.How many pairs of clean animals did God tell Noah to take into the Ark?
(a) Two (Genesis 6:19, 20)
(b) Seven (Genesis 7:2). But despite this last instruction only two pairs went into the ark (Genesis 7:8-9)

2. Solomon built a facility containing how many baths?
(a) Two thousand (1 Kings 7:26)
(b) Over three thousand (2 Chronicles 4:5)

3.Ezra 2:64 and Nehemiah 7:66 agree that the total number of the whole assembly was 42,360. Yet the
numbers do not add up to anything close. The totals obtained from each book is as follows:
(a) 29,818 (Ezra)
(b) 31,089 (Nehem

4. When Paul was on the road to Damascus he saw a light and heard a voice. Did those who were with
him hear the voice?
(a) Yes (Acts9: 7)
(b) No (Acts22: 9)

5.When Paul saw the light he fell to the ground. Did his traveling companions also fall to the ground?
(a) Yes (Acts 26:14)
(b) No (Acts 9:7)

6.Did the voice spell out on the spot what Paul�s duties were to be?
(a) Yes (Acts 26:16-18)
(b) No. The voice commanded Paul to go into the city of Damascus and there he will be told what he

7. Was Jesus crucified on the daytime before the Passover meal or the daytime after?
(a) After (Mark 14:12-17)
(b) Before. Before the feast of the Passover (John 1) Judas went out at night (John 13:30). The other
disciples thought he was going out to buy supplies to prepare for the Passover meal (John 13:29). When
Jesus was arrested, the Jews did not enter Pilate�s judgment hail because they wanted to stay clean to
eat the Passover (John 18:28). When the judgment was pronounced against Jesus, it was about the sixth
hour on the day of Preparation for the Passover (John 19:14)

8.Did Jesus pray to The Father to prevent the crucifixion?
(a) Yes. (Matthew 26:39; Mark 14:36; Luke 22:42)
(b) No. (John 12:27)

9. In the gospels which say that Jesus prayed to avoid the cross, how many times did �he move away
from his disciples to pray?
(a) Three (Matthew 26:36-46 and Mark 14:32-42)
(b) One. No opening is left for another two times. (Luke 22:39-46)

10.What was Jesus� instruction for his disciples?
(a) �Tell my brethren to go to Galilee, and there they will see me� (Matthew 2 8: 10)
(b) �Go to my brethren and say to them, I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and
your God� (John 20:17)

By the way on the last quoute Jesus (PBUH) said he was going to ascend to his Father and your Father and to his God and your God. I thought they were seeing God??!!

I have lots more examples. Even better ones in fact. For me the best one is still the 1st commandment. Do not make idols and images of God and worship them.

I have only listed these because I have been challenged to. I can list much more because foretunately for me there is a lot more. please lets keep it friendly.
Emaster. I think you should read from the beginning of my post on the authenticity of the bible.

Ive always challanged people before they can tell me what the bible says about how many Gods there are and who is what God, please first let us establish which book is the word of God and how we have proof of it.
I cannot accept emaster's answer. I am aware of what the bible says my friend. Thats the not the main problem. The main problem is who says it inthe bible and the bible itself.

My friends in the Quran we are told that the past scriptures were also divine. And we are told by God to believe in the Torah (The 5 books of Moses (PBUH) and the Injil (The scripture given to Jesus (PBUH) but we only have a corrupt version of the Torah and not the injil but 4 witness accounts by 4 guys who claim to be apostles.

Today Christian scholars concede that the writers of the gospels mark,mathew,luke and john were probably not the actuall deciples. you would have to question your own scholars however not me.


"The best apology is the one given before the grief" The prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257376 07/18/06 11:10 PM
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Quote:
LOL you should be a comedian.
seriously thats like saying man invented pornography so since God invented man than God invented pornography which makes it ok.

We needed a comedian in the post. Some people were getting a bit tense...
nice to see you join in :-)


There is nothing that exists that is not a product of the Creator. How could you call him or her the Creator, otherwise?

Personally, I have nothing against pornography; it's only the wrong use of it (the poison in a man's heart, and not the inanimate object) that is wrong. Nudity and the act of mating are not evil. Photography is not evil. It's the lust in a man's heart that makes it so; that takes a beautiful act and makes it somehow sinister. Furthermore, once could split hairs on what the word even means. In some countries, a Madonna video might be pornography. Or a Calvin Klein ad.

God gave to man the ability to make a bullet and a gun. It's the ill use of them and the loss of rational mind (what some might call Satan) that is evil, not the inanimate object.

Lastly, calling a nature-based religion as being outside the province of God, or that it is comedic to speak of them as being created by God, is not very tolerant of you. I believe all religions speak of the same truths. The belief that God has a particular name or particular book and that all others are wrong in their beliefs is what leads to culture-toppling, intolerance, and war.

No tension, just an open discussion. <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257377 07/19/06 05:46 AM
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OK i still want to know what the Quran is!!!! <img src="/images/graemlins/wall.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wall.gif" alt="" /> I thought it was another name for the Old Testement!!! SO... SOMEONE ANYONE PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!!!! clueless here lol ps and what is the Injil? <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/wall.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/confused.gif" alt="" />

in my oppinion Everything both good and evil, pretty or ugly comes from God!!! God created everything for a purpose like my computer he gave someone the wonderful idea of how to make a computer for the sole purpose of driving me insane!!!! lol not really but i have to laugh or thorw the thing out the window!!! <img src="/images/graemlins/computer.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/computer.gif" alt="" /> <img src="/images/graemlins/computer.gif" alt="" />


Judge not lest ye be judged: all things are permittable but not all things are beneficial
Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257378 07/19/06 11:15 AM
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The Quran is another book altogether. It was a book that came 600 hundred years after Christ.
It is not the old testament and it is not the New testament.
In the Islam section I have written a post on the Quran please go and visit it freebubbles2.

The injil is the word used for the gospel of Jesus in Arabic.

In reference to the post by barbaro, I do not agree with you that pornography is ok. would Jesus agree with that?
And what defines its wrong use.
Please forgive what I am about to say it is by no means and insult just an example.
I want you to imagine your own mother in a pornographic film. Is it still ok? Is it still ok if it was one of our sisters?
I dont think it is. It is only ok when we can achieve a sexual thrill from it.

God created partners of His creation for a reason. So we could see that we were not self sufficient. We cannot reproduce on our own. He made us partners one to another in order that we may marvel at His abilities and gave us sexual pleasure from each other.
But Sex should be confined to a couple in wedlock. As the commandment says thou shalt not covet thy neighbors wife.
In what way is the use of pornograhy deemed wrong in your opinion?

And also on the issue of all religions being from god, how can God ask us in 1 religion only to worship Him, while in an other to worship the sun and the grass etc while in another religion we are told to worship 20 Gods that resemble half human half animals. Im sure god does not intend worship to be this confusing.
God created everything but man changed what he created through his own free will. God lets man live free. thats how other religions other than the divine will of God comes about.

No tension <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257379 07/19/06 02:45 PM
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kilbrisi7,
O.K. Let's do these one at a time. First, In Genesis when God made reference to two animals He was referring to animals in general. In the culture at that time it was customary to give the broad picture first and then go back and give the details. This sometimes makes it seem as if they are retelling the story but not so. So, God said bring two of each as a means of survival for that species. In Genesis 7:2 He makes a distinction between clean and unclean animals. That is because the clean animals were the ones they were allowed to eat and sacrifice as an offering so He instructed them to bring seven of the clean because they would need more for these other purposes. The last verse you quote was an overview and it too is a general statement like the first. It does not contain all the details that are in the middle verses. It gives the impression of the completeness of the act. You can almost hear the door slam shut. I will pause now to allow your comments before we go on to the next.

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Where does Jesus say He is God? John 10:30. " I and the Father are one." John 8:58. "I say unto you, before Abraham was, I AM." The Jews understood what He was saying. In both instances they picked up stones to throw at Him. In John 8:58 He asks, " For what works do you stone me?" They reply that it is not for the works but for calling Himself God. I can give much more evidence than this if you like. Much more.

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Regarding the baths. It is not talking about individual baths but one large "molten sea". It is describing the actual amount of water versus its capabilty. It could hold three thousand baths ( bath referring to an individual volume) but they obviously filled it only two thirds full. With two thousand baths. Sounds like a lot. I think that is the impression they are trying to convey.

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First, kibrisli, I'd like to take your analogy you used to me and reword it a bit.

God created man and man created the bible and the Koran; therefore it is comedic to suggest that God created the bible.

Would Jesus agree that pornography is ok? Since he defended Mary Magdelene, who allegedly was a prostitute (a person who is paid to do acts in the nude just like a porn actor), I do not believe he would think such a thing in and of itself is evil or bad. It's how a person reacts to it, or what they do with it, where the evil enters the heart.

My mother and sister are their own free moral agents. Should they make that choice, I do not judge them nor what they do. Doesn't your own holy book say only God should judge others?

Bad uses of pornography: in an obsessive manner, outside wedlock, involving those of minor age or otherwise mentally incapcitated. Inside wedlock, it can be a helpful tool for couples. Artistically, the human body is a marvel and an art form.

As for the last part of your post, I've stated this before but I'll reiterate it here for you since we have not talked before. You can't derive proof that one is the sole religion by citing from the very book which is the basis of the religion. That's circular logic. You are trying to prove the truth of something that's in the text by citing to the text itself. An analogy is me trying to prove the existence of magic wands by citing to where the story of the magic wands originated - i.e., Harry Potter.

But that's where faith comes in, of course. And having faith in something is wonderful. However, faith and piety are two different things. The pious believe they are most holy. Problem with that is when one develops piety they often lose humility.

In all things, there are good and bad, yin and yang. Same with religions. Therefore, it is possible to realize that all religions are speaking of the same eternal truths but using different terminology. By whatever path you seek to achieve the good, it is the end result that matters and not whether you took a train, bus, goat cart, skateboard or your own two feet to get there.


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