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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257363 07/16/06 08:43 PM
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Here is your answer. It IS important to follow rules. Jesus said He came not to destroy the law but to fulfill. The law instructs. Jesus saves. The law tells us what is sin. Jesus saves us from the consequences of breaking those laws. Jesus said there would be many who cried out to Him," Lord,Lord" but He would not let them enter the Kingdom of Heaven because He said they were practicing "lawlessness" If you are following Christ you will follow the law as it is written on your heart. You cannot get saved by relying on yourself to follow the law without Christ because you are imperfect and you will fail. Then you would be condemned without Christ because your sins would not be covered by Him.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257364 07/16/06 08:45 PM
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If you have any more questions just ask. I do not get offended and you cannot ask a question too tough for me.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257365 07/16/06 08:47 PM
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And by the way, God Himself is the founder of Christianity.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257366 07/16/06 09:41 PM
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I do have a question for you emaster101 ....Are you christian ?

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257367 07/17/06 01:21 AM
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The best way for me to explain will only be understood if you are a parent.

As a parent I love my Children, I have rules in place to help them have an easier life. For example - don't play in the street so they won't get hurt.

Everyday they break rules, don't listen, try my patience, and make me look like a terrible parent. I don't love them any less, I don't throw them out of the house, I forgive them and move on.

This is what humanity's relationship with God is like. We are the children and he is the parent. Some kids are good, others bad, some follow the rules and some break them. He doesn't love anyone any less for it.

Some Christians are better examples of Jesus and God, others let him down. The only way to know the truth about God is to find him for yourself directly, not through others.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257368 07/17/06 01:14 PM
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I came accross this verse this morning in my readings and I thought it was very applicable to this discussion:

2 Timothy Chapter 3 Verse 1-5

"You should know this Timothy, that in the last days there will be very difficult times. For people will love only themselves and their money. They will be boastful and proud, scoffing at God, disobedient to their parents, and ungrateful. They will consider nothering sacred. The will be unloving and unforgiving; they will slander others and have no self-control; they will be cruel and have no interest in what is good. They will betray their friends, be reckless, be puffed up with pride and love pleasure rather than God. They will act as if they are religious, but they will reject the power that could make them godly. You must stay away from people like that."

Since my Bible is a study Bible there are notes. The note for the last sentence 3:5 is:

"The 'act' or appearance of being religious includes going to church, knowing Christian doctrine, using Christian cliches, and following a communities traditions. Such practices can make a person look good, but if the inner attitudes of belief, love, and worship are lacking, the outer appearance in meaningless. Paul warns us not to be deceived by people who only appear to be Christians. It may be difficult to distinguish tehm from true Christians at first, but their daily behavior will give them away. The characteristics described in 3:2-4 are unmistakeable."

Paul wrote his letters to encourage the new churches to be an example of Christ, to set themselves aside from society as different. He wrote during the years that Churches began and had little real persecution to when Nero was throwing them to the lions. His writings are meant to be a blueprint for the Church (group of people) to live up to and a way for them to recognize when they are straying away from God.

The Gospels were written to tell us the life and teachings of Christ so that we would know how as individuals we are to live. They were written before there was a church and before there was wayward and mislead Christian individuals.

Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257369 07/17/06 02:45 PM
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I thank everyone for their replies. Very nice. Especially the one about timothy.

I am a Muslim and I believe in Christ. I believe that following the teachings of Christ is a means to save me from my sins. Jesus is someone who submitted himself to God and so that is what I do.
Yes no one is perfect but to completely ignore the 10 commandments and than just say believe is crazy!

The first commandment:
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I, the LORD, am your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. You shall not have other gods besides me. You shall not carve idols for yourselves in the shape of anything in the sky above or on the earth below or in the waters beneath the earth; you shall not bow down before them or worship them. For I, the LORD, your God, am a jealous God, inflicting punishment for their ancestors' wickedness on the children of those who hate me, down to the third and fourth generation; but bestowing mercy down to the thousandth generation, on the children of those who love me and keep my commandments.


People not only created an idol by drawing christ and sculpting his image, they worshipped him as a partner to God.
The first commadnment is very clear ladies and gentlemen.
You cant say that verse was for a time only or it is ambigious!!

And what I am trying to say here is that if we follow the rules of Christ, we wouldnt need what Paul has to say.
Christ was the one who came to correct the Jews not Paul.
Christ was sent by God not Paul.

And Christ also made it clear in the Gospels that he was a prophet. He was refered to as a prophet. It is Paul that has made an idol to be worhsipped out of him.
So how can we say Jesus the Messiah is the author of Christianity when we follow the doctrine of Paul and discard the commandments that Jesus came to reinstate?

On top of that there is about 40 versions of the bible, all different and not just in translation, there are countless errors that contradict one another and no one asks questions. Just believe?


"The best apology is the one given before the grief" The prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257370 07/17/06 05:54 PM
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There is no Wiccan "bible" or one book, therefore, it would be pointless to ask who founded it. There are many good books written by some who founded their own type of it, like Gardnerian (the Gardners).

Early man "founded" or started Wicca, since it is simply a pagan, earth-based, spiritual path that works in harmony with seasons, doing right by other people, and observances from nature.

Since the Creator made nature, then it easily can be said that God founded Wicca, and all other religions.


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Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257371 07/17/06 07:52 PM
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LOL you should be a comedian.
seriously thats like saying man invented pornography so since God invented man than God invented pornography which makes it ok.

We needed a comedian in the post. Some people were getting a bit tense...
nice to see you join in :-)


"The best apology is the one given before the grief" The prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
Re: Who is the founder of Christianity? #257372 07/17/06 09:11 PM
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That makes sense dosent it? It sounds quite logical to me and I think you make a very valid point.

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