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When you strip away all the arguments about personhood and reproductive choice you are left with two realities.
1. A fetus is human.
2. Abortion ends the life of a fetus.
Therefore, abortion ends the life of a human being. The two are morally equivalent except killing the unborn child is worse because they have done nothing to provoke such an act of violence nor can they even speak in their own defense.

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The above poster is known also as Texasdave4.... Unfortunately for him, after posting in the Buddhism forum ('TEXASDAVE4 IS BACK!') .....He's been banned.

Again.

Until the next time.

It's a shame..... he just can't resist it, can he....?
Or maybe he's just drawn by the overwhelming female pheromones....! <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

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Yes, and now I'm back as "anonymous". They can't keep me off of here. Eventually they'll give up. I will return. With the same message of truth from Jesus Christ. Is it really possible to ban the truth? I think not. Jesus said that this world would pass away but His Word would never pass away. I know some would like to think otherwise. Stay tuned!!

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I guess it is good in a way not to put the evil (bleep)to death because the death penalty is really the easy way out isint it?

Our worst mass killer is rotting in prison and has been bashed many times so that is in a way better than getting the death penalty.As soon as he heals he just gets bashed again.Great justice dont you think?

I guess if all offenders of awful crimes were punished this way the death penalty is a bad thing then.It would be better to keep them alive and rotting away in jail for life killing them I guess is the easy way out for them - probably what the sickos want - infact that mass killer I told you about has tried to kill himself 4 times so far.

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What you are therefore saying then, Freespirit, is that the death penalty is redundant, because it does not act as a deterrent to other criminals... Don't you see? it does nothing to stop these crimes re-ocurring, and crime is on the increase.... What you are saying is keep them alive and let them be subjected to regular beatings....
But is that the right way to go? Is that justified? Does this not take us back to the times of torture and public floggings....? is that a 'pretty' image to advance into the 21st century with?

There are many in the UK who actually support birching, flogging and visible public punishment of criminals... Exposure to ridicule and humiliation is seen by some, as being a suitable and acceptable means of attempting to quell criminal tendencies, and to stop new offenders in their tracks.
But there is something depressingly inhumane and barbaric about such measures....

However, this said, I personally am unable to put forward a viable, universally acceptable and workable alternative.

But the Death penalty Does Not Work.

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Yes the death penalty does not work - I admit that...
But the alternative does.

Why shouldnt these bastards suffer????They are supposed to be punished.

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We can not give life. How can we take it away? Death penalty is murder by the society.

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We cannot give life???

Isint that what we do when we decide to have children?

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No.... We are equipped with the necessary tools to PROcreate - The necessary components already exist - we are just bringing them together... I think what cdmohatta means is, that procreating Life is quite different to creating a living existence from scratch... from nothing at all...

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Quote:
Yes the death penalty does not work - I admit that...
But the alternative does.

Why shouldnt these bastards suffer????They are supposed to be punished.

No, the alternative doesn't work either.... Tell me or show me where it does....

Who says they are 'supposed to be punished'? In this way? WHY Should they suffer?

The moment we choose to inflict pain, suffering and humiliation on a human being, we are no better than they are. We can use the excuse that it is in a controlled environment, and that we have justification - but in this case, you could therefore explain every perceived atrocity at the hands of dictators...They thought that what they did was justified.
No amount of cruelty, pain or suffering inflicted on another sentient being is excusable or justifyable... whatever the reason, and whoever does it.

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