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#144523 07/10/06 09:15 PM
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I have a book that lists 101 contradictions in the bible. CHRISTIAN BIBLE scholars admit that there are over 50,000 errors in the bible.

I could list them all night if you want!!!


I think I am familiar with those; yet, for every contradiction that one person (or group of persons) think or know they found, there is another person (or group of persons) that has refuted it. And then, of course, there are those who have refuted the refutations, etc. etc. etc.

IMO, as was said earlier in the thread, Christianity is dependent on faith. The faith to believe that which we do not see, that which we think contradicts the laws of physics and nature as we know them, and the faith to believe when others are thinking we're off our rocker for doing so. <img src="/images/graemlins/rolling.gif" alt="" />

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#144524 07/14/06 11:29 PM
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The scripture in Islam is clearly against such actions so any so called muslim that participates in terrorism or suicide is not following the rules of Islam. This kind of act is not acceptible in Islam or any other religion. It is a shame they act on the name of a religion while not following its rules!


Thank you for saying this so i don't have too....

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Secondly you mentioned you dont believe in Allah as being God but you mention that you believe in the bible!!
Do you know what Allah means?? obviously not!


I don't need to argue semantics with someone who desires to be right over being faithful to the Lord Jesus Christ... There may be many words for God, but only one name is above all... Jesus Christ.

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Get your facts straight my brother.


And if you had visited the Bible Basics Site instead of just popping in the forum, you would know I'm a woman, not a man.

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Also you mention you do not follow a religion but you follow Christ.
Im not even gonna bother replying this. My previous posts say enough.
What i dont understand is. how can christians scholars admit that the bible is of doubtful authenticity and Christians not accept this!


Actually your previous post simply says that you are a person who desires to be right over being Christ-like to fellow Christians. And the reason you can't understand why Christians can accept the Word of God AS the authentic Word of God is because of faith and grace over intellectualism and pride. My God is bigger than I could ever imagine Him to be. His mysteries are far deeper and more vast that my simple human brain can comprehend. I accept Him over and above that which I can understand. I don't try to box up my God and spoon feed him to the masses. He couldn't possibly lower himself to fit into the cruddy box my mind could create, He is so much more than that. If your god can fit into your little box in your mind, then I say you have the wrong god.

Anything else?...


JESUS DOESN'T HOLD UP A STANDARD, HE HOLDS UP A MIRROR AND SAYS REFLECT ME!
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#144525 07/15/06 02:23 AM
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I find it hard to believe that the bible basics editor cannot say anything constructive. We can make smart alec remarks all day. I am challanging you using your own book as evidence and all you cant reply in a manner which would appease any reader waiting for a reply.
I dont mean to argue with anyone. I am using statements from the Bible to ask questions to people of the bible.

If you think that knowing what Gods name is going into too much semantics than maybe you shouldnt bother doing this. Just give up!
You are not reading the original of your scripture and you are not interested.
Try and read the original and than come back to me.
I can tell you that the name Jesus Christ does not appear where it says Lord. You find the name Allah.

This is not an insult. This is an invite for you to look at the truth. Im sure we can all leave the arrogance to one side and take a look.
If you are going to call Jesus, one of the best prophets of God (Peace be upon him) a god or the son of God, than come to me with proof.
And your proof must have some substance. If you are going to quote from anything have certainty what you quote from is authentic.

One again please Im not inviting a war of insults, but a constructive debate.


"The best apology is the one given before the grief" The prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
#144526 07/15/06 10:24 PM
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One again please Im not inviting a war of insults, but a constructive debate


You end your little tirade with the above sentence; however; you fill this little post with nothing but insults for someone you are trying to be better than. Why try to discredit me? You don't even know me. You don't know who I am or where I come from. You couldn't walk a mile in my shoes because you've never even seen my shoes, let alone, my feet while walking in them.

These qualify as insults:

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I find it hard to believe that the bible basics editor cannot say anything constructive. We can make smart alec remarks all day.
If you think that knowing what Gods name is going into too much semantics than maybe you shouldnt bother doing this. Just give up! You are not reading the original of your scripture and you are not interested .
Try and read the original and than come back to me.
This is not an insult. just saying this does not disqualify the insult that follows This is an invite for you to look at the truth. Im sure we can all leave the arrogance to one side and take a look .
If you are going to call Jesus, one of the best prophets of God (Peace be upon him) a god or the son of God, than come to me with proof.
And your proof must have some substance. If you are going to quote from anything have certainty what you quote from is authentic .


You're just lucky you said them to me instead of one of my readers or posters here in this forum.

I suggest you read the Forum Code of Conduct for this forum. You can find it here:

http://forums.bellaonline.com/showflat.p...=0#Post22857998

Pretty clear, huh? Just like the Bible... right?

You want constructive debate, then abide by the forum code of conduct and we can debate. Otherwise, we will NOT debate... your choice...


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#144527 07/16/06 12:30 AM
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I can tell you that the name Jesus Christ does not appear where it says Lord. You find the name Allah.



I can give at least one example of where it says "Lord" and is referring to Jesus:

[color:"red"]Mark 16: 14 - 20
14 Later He appeared to the eleven as they sat at the table; and He rebuked their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they did not believe those who had seen Him after He had risen. 15 And He said to them, �Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. 16 He who believes and is baptized will be saved; but he who does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will follow those who believe: In My name they will cast out demons; they will speak with new tongues; 18 they will take up serpents; and if they drink anything deadly, it will by no means hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover.�

19 So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God. 20 And they went out and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them and confirming the word through the accompanying signs. Amen.[/color]

Also, twice in Mark, Matthew, and Luke - God speaks from the heavens to identify Jesus as His son. These are basically the same account from 3 different points of view, so really it is said twice - but written by 3 different men.
Matthew 3:17
Matthew 17:5
Mark 1:11
Mark 9:7
Luke 3:22
Luke 9:35


The first time was when John the Baptist baptized Him, God said "This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased."

And the second time was just a little before Jesus was betrayed. He took Peter, James, and John (his 3 closest disciples - or friends) onto a mountaintop and showed them more of what He really was like (sort of like when Moses went onto the mountain and God passed before him). And God said nearly the same thing, "This is my beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!" Except this time God was telling them to pay attention!

There are more instances, but I'll have to keep looking.

The ones that mention Jesus Christ by name are all going to be in the New Testament (which you don't like because you feel it is all written by Paul.)

But there are prophecies in the Old Testament referring to the coming Messiah that Jesus fulfills. I'll go diggin into them next! <img src="/images/graemlins/smile.gif" alt="" />


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#144528 07/16/06 07:47 AM
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I am not a devout or practicing Christian. My leanings are more toward Buddhism, but I must say here that Christianity is precious and sacred to those who do believe with all their hearts and souls.

I cannot see any point in pointing out that the Bible is, or is not authentic because it is what Christians believe, and it is not kind to continually criticize what others hold sacred.

It is how we LIVE those beliefs which is important, and how we follow the teachings of love which all the great religions teach.

Whether one is Christian, Muslim, Jewish, Hindu or anything else is sacred to those who belong to these faiths and I think they should be allowed to follow the religion of their choice without criticism and other comments which do hurt deeply.

Perhaps there are many errors in the Bible. Perhaps it is not the original manuscript, perhaps it is not authentic. It really doesn't matter. It is a collection of writings which have started many people on a path to God, to love and to a better life. That is what is important.

By their fruits you will know them.

Bless you all.


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
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#144529 07/16/06 07:52 AM
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Sorry Jenna, that post was not meant for you, but for Kibrisli7


Facts are stubborn things; and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of facts and evidence.
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#144530 07/16/06 09:59 PM
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>Is it the true word of God? Was it truely inspired by God?

Well, since I don't believe in a one god, this is a no by default. I believe the Bible probably started as the teachings of Jesus and other men (& maybe women)

>Has man corrupted the original message that God was trying to convey?

Well, skipping over the god part (see above) I would say that yes, as more and mroe people got their hands on it, it was more and more altered. There are SO many versions of the bible, even different versions for different christian religions.

>Why is it to this day that even within Christianity, so >many are split as to the actual meaning of this Holy >scripture? Why must so many differing denominations within >Christianity itself squabble over its meaning?

Because everyone is too busy concentrating on who is right/wrong and who is/isn't going to hell/heaven and "interpreting" the bible that they totally oversee the lessons in the bible.

even a non-christian like me can learn about life from the bible, it just takes seeing it with a more relaxed eye.

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#144531 07/17/06 02:52 PM
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I will agree that part of chirstians are obsesde with being right or wrong and jugdeing others and trying to convert people from one church to the other. they have missed the whole point of the teachings of the bible!!! God does not want us to worship the bible or use it as a sword against others chirstian or not!!! we can study the bible our whole life and never come to the same conclution as someone else on EVERY point!!!

Meg what religion are you? i am sure you have told me but... you know how it goes first the mind then the body!! lol


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#144532 07/17/06 03:57 PM
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Well apart from the apart about more than one God. Im in agreeance with you <img src="/images/graemlins/grin.gif" alt="" />

The bit about more than one god however not so smiley <img src="/images/graemlins/mad.gif" alt="" />


"The best apology is the one given before the grief" The prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him)
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